--- Log opened Sat Nov 19 00:00:00 2005
00:19 < mnemoc> jsaw: hi, did the bash/which change on embutils worked?
00:42 < CIA-10> amery * r13440 /trunk/package/develop/clip/clip.desc: * updated clip (1.1.14-80 -> 1.1.14-204)
00:55 < TheBeast> jsaw: I guess I'll install it
00:55 < mnemoc> MisterN comes from gentoo
00:55 < MisterN> yeah and i'm STILL using it
00:55 < TheBeast> ew
00:56 < TheBeast> please stop:D
00:56 < TheBeast> no more gentoo here
00:56 < MisterN> well, i'm just pragmatic:)
00:56 < TheBeast> except the livecd which is actually useful:D
00:56 < mnemoc> :)
00:57 < TheBeast> so, any T2 developer here?
00:57 < jsaw> mnemoc: didn't try embutil/which thing...
00:57 < jsaw> mnemoc: I was busy with this damn app-defaults thing...
00:57 < jsaw> mnemoc: and gave up for now
00:58 < jsaw> TheBeast: mnemoc is T2 developer
00:58 < TheBeast> oh fsck I'm out for a cigarette
00:58 < mnemoc> jsaw too
00:58 < jsaw> I deny everything :)
00:58 < TheBeast> good for you guys:)
00:58 < MisterN> my gentoo is online for one year and a half and it runs. it has udev, my sound and my tv-card work, configured by hotplug. i am currently working on a project. such things make you want to wait before switching to a better distro.
00:58 < mnemoc> jsaw: :)
00:59 < TheBeast> I was just wondering if it's an official T2 support channel with devs && stuff or just a channel ran by some kids:D
00:59 < jsaw> MisterN: never change a running system
00:59 < jsaw> TheBeast: :P
00:59 < TheBeast> :)
00:59 < MisterN> jsaw: WELL i want to change. for gentoo is slow.
00:59 < jsaw> .oO(gotta get my PhD soon)
01:00 < jsaw> .oO(but, being male, I think I have to chance to be considered adult)
01:00 < TheBeast> what specialization?
01:00 < TheBeast> :D
01:00 < jsaw> s/to/no/
01:00 < jsaw> I meant "I have no chance"
01:00 < jsaw> TheBeast: Physics
01:00 < TheBeast> omfg phd I'm still in university
01:00 < TheBeast> I'm 18 tho
01:00 < TheBeast> :D
01:01 < jsaw> mnemoc's a father, I'm a father...
01:01 < jsaw> so, a lot of kids around !
01:01 < jsaw> valentin's also father
01:02 < TheBeast> nice
01:02 < mnemoc> jsaw: we had two releases, valentin and lars just one :)
01:02 < TheBeast> physics umm
01:02 < TheBeast> nice
01:02 < TheBeast> not a bad choice:)
01:02 < TheBeast> I'm doing bioinformatics :-/
01:03 < jsaw> oh
01:03 < jsaw> I thought "nice" in the sense of "leave me alone"
01:03 < mnemoc> :)
01:03 < TheBeast> no:)
01:03 < jsaw> TheBeast: btw, I'm in neuroscience now...
01:04 < TheBeast> GEEKS!!
01:04 < TheBeast> all of us.
01:06 < mnemoc> welcome to t2
01:07 < TheBeast> the idea behind t2 doesn't sound bad, but to be sincere I didn't have time to actually take a look on the handbook
01:07 < jsaw> hmmm. t2, what about changing the pronounciation of "t2" to "tattoo"
01:07 < TheBeast> but yes, I appreciate the project.
01:08 < TheBeast> the site was down aprox. 2 hours ago :|
01:08 < jsaw> TheBeast: the most important thing is, T2 is NOT a distro, it's a framework to build a distro (of course, we also offer distros based on T2)
01:09 < mnemoc> jsaw: did you read the proposal of having a caterpillar as mascot and design the logo and PR material based on it?
01:09 < MisterN> like the livecd?
01:09 < jsaw> MisterN: yes
01:10 < jsaw> mnemoc: yes. I'm torn.
01:10 < jsaw> mnemoc: currently, more abstract logos appear.
01:10 < jsaw> mnemoc: otoh, a caterpillar fits the "construction" philosophy
01:11 < mnemoc> ack
01:12 < jsaw> I always had T2 mad out of building blocks in my mind
01:12 < jsaw> s/mad/made/
01:13 < jsaw> or lego like
01:13 < mnemoc> jsaw: so you prefer a T2 logo?
01:13 < jsaw> as I said, I'm torn.
01:13 < jsaw> usually I prefer simple stuff
01:13 < jsaw> like, I really like the hewlett packard logo
01:14 < TheBeast> yeah, it's pretty cool.
01:14 < TheBeast> brb smoke
01:14 < TheBeast> dunno what's wrong with me
01:14 < TheBeast> it's the third pack today but I usually some around half a pack in one week
01:14 < TheBeast> s/some/smoke/
01:17 < jsaw> TheBeast: nErVoUs?
01:18 < mnemoc> jsaw: a logo like HP's saying T2 with a 'pupa' stick on it could be easy to do
01:19 < TheBeast> jsaw: no. Just the "hunger" feeling
01:19 < MisterN> n8
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01:20 < jsaw> mnemoc: my logo was just a fast sketch, but sth. like that (compare THX logo)
01:21 < jsaw> mnemoc: I just googled around for logos, and I have say, if the caterpillar is very bare, it could also really be nice
01:22 < jsaw> see e.g. www.logoworks.com
01:23 < jsaw> http://www.logobee.com/logo-design-samples/samples3.htm
01:23 < jsaw> http://www.logobee.com/logo-design-samples/samples23.htm
01:25 < mnemoc> {'t','2','\0'} is too short for that
01:25 < jsaw> don't forget the "sde" part
01:26 < jsaw> an possibly www.t2-project.org
01:26 < jsaw> or "T2-Project"
01:32 < mnemoc> T2 Project with a B/W caterpillar on the back can look good....
01:32 < mnemoc> instead of the 'train' on those you showed
01:33 < jsaw> yep
01:33 < jsaw> or gray in the bg
01:35 < mnemoc> afteri finish emerging xorg, i'll install inkscape to play a bit
01:35 < jsaw> we should have a site with all logos done so far...
01:35 < mnemoc> i need xvfb to install gaphor :\
01:36 < mnemoc> yep
01:39 < jsaw> start now
01:39 < jsaw> ups
01:40 < jsaw> (I scrolled back and read "sepp: when should we start playing with the caterpillar idea"...)
01:40 < jsaw> I need sleep
01:41 < jsaw> btw logo, I don't like the new freebsd logo
01:47 < mnemoc> new?
01:52 < jsaw> http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/640-1.png
01:56 < rxr> i have a new css makeup handy
01:56 < rxr> not what I wanted
01:57 < rxr> but everyitme I do html / css I have to fight it badly
01:57 < rxr> thus a working minimal for now with improvements later ...
01:57 < jsaw> where?
01:57 < rxr> on my hammer notebook ...
01:57 < rxr> I could do a screenshot and commit if you +1 it ...
01:58 < jsaw> wanna see
01:58 < TheBeast> isn't GNOME awesome?
01:58 < mnemoc> ?
01:58 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-hp-new.png
01:59 < rxr> I wanted way more - but could not get css code to do what I had in mind
01:59 < rxr> thus a very stripped down version for tonight ...
01:59 < rxr> but I think it is better than the old-style boxes we have right now, no?
02:00 < mnemoc> yes, looks better
02:01 < rxr> ok - so I go commit it after I further plished the side menu ?
02:01 < jsaw> much better!
02:03 < jsaw> rxr: would be nice if you could reduce the menu (compare http://web1.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de/~jsaw/, click on "In Person")
02:05 < rxr> jsaw: the platforms already expand like that
02:05 < rxr> or do you mean the line ?
02:06 < jsaw> on the screenshot, the menu on the left, the grouping is not really immediately apperant
02:07 < jsaw> as you already do it with platforms, maybe you can reduce it there, too
02:07 < jsaw> (I didn't realize, it is already done with platforms, I have to admit...)
02:08 < rxr> I keep it left aligned for now
02:08 < rxr> so it stays indented as it is on the current real-life page
02:09 < jsaw> no, I was not talking about the position, the position is perferct imo, I was talking about the number of items there
02:12 < jsaw> okay, I have to sleep
02:12 < jsaw> gn8 all
02:14 < rxr> ok - site goes alive
02:19 < mnemoc> i like it :)
02:25 < rxr> ,-)
02:25 < rxr> good
02:25 < rxr> so I have to take a nap now
02:25 < rxr> enough CSS war for this day
02:26 < rxr> n8 all
02:26 < rxr> cu mn
02:26 < rxr> cu mnemoc (even ,-)
02:26 < mnemoc> :)
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04:34 < CIA-10> amery * r13441 /trunk/package/xfce4/libxfce4util/libxfce4util.desc: * updated libxfce4util (4.2.3.1 -> 4.2.3.2)
04:35 < CIA-10> amery * r13442 /trunk/package/xfce4/xfwm4/xfwm4.desc: * updated xfwm4 (4.2.3.1 -> 4.2.3.2)
04:39 < CIA-10> amery * r13443 /trunk/package/gnome2/vte/vte.conf: * fixed vte's python binding by forcing a re-generation of vte.c
04:44 < CIA-10> amery * r13444 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/vte/ (vte.conf vte.desc):
04:44 < CIA-10> * merged 11679 from trunk: updated vte (0.11.14 -> 0.11.15)
04:44 < CIA-10> * merged 13443 from trunk: fixed vte's python bindings by forcing a re-generation of vte.c
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05:10 < CIA-10> amery * r13445 /branches/2.1/package/xfce4/ (libxfce4util/libxfce4util.desc xfwm4/xfwm4.desc):
05:10 < CIA-10> * merged 13441 from trunk: updated libxfce4util (4.2.3.1 -> 4.2.3.2)
05:10 < CIA-10> * merged 13442 from trunk: updated xfwm4 (4.2.3.1 -> 4.2.3.2)
05:10 * Xenos is away: high school..
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05:14 < Postal> Hey mnemoc, the 2.6 kernel on the live CD's is reporting a kernel panic, tried to kill init. the 2.4 kernel works however there do not appear to be any sata drivers. I need the nv_sata kernel module in order to do the install, and chance this could happen
05:15 < mnemoc> use 2.6
05:17 < Postal> 2.6 kernel panic tries to kill init.. on both the rc3 and the final release version
05:18 < Postal> what could cause this error?
05:19 < mnemoc> i'm not exactly sure why sometimes that happen on shutdown
05:19 < Postal> it happens on boot up
05:19 < mnemoc> oh
05:20 < mnemoc> does it mount rootfs?
05:20 < Postal> i insert the CD it boots to the prompt i hit enter or type linux26 and it goes through the first stage or so of kernel boot and when it tries to pass to init, it fails
05:20 < Postal> i do not belive so
05:21 < mnemoc> can you transcript the whole error?
05:21 < Postal> there is not much to transcribe but let me reboot and I will tell you
05:22 < Postal> brb, you will wait for two min?
05:24 < mnemoc> np
05:24 < mnemoc> i'll be here
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05:26 < Postal> ok
05:26 < Postal> the message is
05:27 < Postal> <0>Kernel Panic: Not Syncing - Attempted to Kill init!
05:27 < Postal> before that there are a whole bunch of Hex numbers that I am not going to write down cause there must be over 100 of them
05:28 < Postal> mnemoc, what do you think?
05:30 < mnemoc> what's before that bunch of hex numbers ?
05:31 < Postal> Nothing, that fills the whole screen
05:32 < mnemoc> shift-pageup ?
05:32 < Postal> can you do that at kernel boot?
05:32 < mnemoc> can you?
05:32 < Postal> dont know do you want me to try?
05:33 < mnemoc> with that info i can't do anything for helping you
05:34 < Postal> ok, ill try the shift+pageup
05:34 < Postal> brb
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05:41 < Postal> ok, I cannot scroll up but the messages that print right before the error occurs are normal boot messages, about my cdrom drives, and then about an ide0 on irq14, then it goes strait to the error message, mixed in with the numbers is a message that says pid 1 process swaper or somehting of that nature
05:41 < Postal> there is then a traceback
05:42 < Postal> and then the message that i said before
05:43 < Postal> does that help at all?
05:44 < mnemoc> Probing IDE interface ide1... ?
05:45 < Postal> no
05:45 < Postal> its done its probing already
05:45 < Postal> its looks like mabey a problem with init?
05:45 < Postal> initrd*
05:48 < mnemoc> you would see a message about mounting the initrd...
05:48 < mnemoc> can you try the same disk on another machine and compare?
05:48 < Postal> what does "Not syncing - Attempted to kill init" mean?
05:48 < Postal> yes I can
05:48 < mnemoc> pid=1 died
05:48 < Postal> meaning..
05:49 < mnemoc> the first process start by kernel
05:49 < mnemoc> i.e. init
05:49 < mnemoc> but there are many ways to kill init
05:50 < mnemoc> you have to find the exact place where it crashes
05:50 < Postal> it works fine on my other amd64...
05:50 < Postal> but that is using ide drives...
05:51 < Postal> sata causes problems sometimes
05:51 < mnemoc> i have two servers with sata, without any troubles
05:51 < Postal> so... no what?
05:52 < mnemoc> no clue
05:52 < mnemoc> i haven't try livecd
05:52 < Postal> well, the motherboards in the two systems are diff... diffrent controlers on the boards, could that make a diffrence?
05:53 < Postal> mine is a nvidia controler, the other one is a promise
05:53 < Postal> i mean at this point i figure its a problem with my box... would you agree?
05:54 < Postal> except for the fact that fc4 and suse and gentoo boot disks all work...
05:55 < mnemoc> same kernel version?
05:55 < Postal> all 2.6.11 and above... but they range from .11 to .13
05:56 < Postal> but again, i think the hardware problem is voided due to the fact that the 2.4 kernel boots..
05:56 < mnemoc> Postal: can you try the bootdisk of 2.1.0 release?
05:56 < mnemoc> t2-minimal iso
05:56 < Postal> that is the one I have been using... i get an identical message with both
05:57 < Postal> i have been using both discs
05:58 < mnemoc> uhm? you said 'livecd'
05:58 < Postal> its not..
05:58 < mnemoc> bootdisk doesn't start?
05:58 < Postal> its the iso files from your folder on the server
05:58 < mnemoc> 2.1 doesn't have initrd...
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05:59 < Postal> so..
06:00 < Postal> t2-minimal-2.1.0-x86-64_cd1.iso and t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc3-x86-64_cd1.iso are the names of the iso files
06:00 < mnemoc> i though that it doesn't boot...
06:01 < Postal> it does boot, the software on my mac would not burn it correctly
06:01 < Postal> so i burned it in win
06:01 < mnemoc> o.o
06:01 < Postal> and then got the problems we are now talking about
06:01 < Postal> does this give you any new ideas?
06:03 * mnemoc wonders if pmmx disc can boot on your arch
06:03 < Postal> what is pmmx?
06:04 < Postal> yes i can use a pentium disc
06:04 < Postal> if thats what it is
06:04 < mnemoc> pentium mmx
06:04 < Postal> but i want 64bit
06:04 < mnemoc> just to see how kernel does, and detect
06:04 < mnemoc> what*
06:05 < Postal> and what if it works, and what if it does not work?
06:05 < mnemoc> no idea yet... i'm very sleepy
06:06 < Postal> me also.. and I have school tomorrow, how about we pick this up agin tomorrow afternoon at about 1:30 est?
06:06 < Postal> pm
06:07 < Postal> ?
06:08 < mnemoc> i can't commit... no idea at what hour i'll be available
06:08 < mnemoc> also no idea what time EST is
06:08 < Postal> thats fine.. rene or someone could probably help me also
06:08 < Postal> est = 12:08 right now
06:09 < mnemoc> i'm you+2
06:09 < Postal> ok
06:10 < Postal> so are you the only one that can help me with this issue or will others be ablt to also?
06:11 < mnemoc> i'm the less capable to help you :)
06:11 < Postal> lol well, i will ttyl then off to bed for the night
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06:12 < mnemoc> cu tomorrow :) good luck ,-)
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10:17 < sepp> moin
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11:27 < valentin> moin
11:27 < sparc-kly[g3]> moin valentin
12:44 < karasz> moin all
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13:27 < SerWou> what is the best option to run my "Iptables connection share script" at the boot ? where put it ?
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13:28 < owl> hi
13:28 < argon> Hi, are there some know problem compiling the glibc in trunk for sparc64 (64bit userland)? I get errors compiling socket-functions.
13:29 < argon> (Had also problems with the glibc in stable too, but I didn't looked up the error. :| )
13:29 < SerWou> hello owl and argon
13:35 < owl> hi SerWou , argon
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13:43 < karasz> hi owl , argon SerWou
13:43 < SerWou> hello karasz ;)
13:48 < rxr> re
13:49 < rxr> argon: the last time I did a sparc build (last week) it worked allfine
14:01 < karasz> hi rxr
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14:36 < rxr> re
14:36 < rxr> hi karasz
14:36 < karasz> re hi rxr ;)
14:37 < karasz> www is lookin' better inho
14:37 < rxr> good ,-)
14:37 < rxr> more to come
14:37 < karasz> did you have the chance to look at the disscusion i sent you?
14:40 < mnemoc> moin
14:40 < rxr> moin mnemoc
14:40 < karasz> moin mnemoc
14:40 < mnemoc> SerWou: rocknet gives facilities to run commands
14:40 < mnemoc> moin rxr, karasz
14:41 < mnemoc> rxr: i just mailed you two more logo proposal i got from a friend
14:42 < rxr> ,-)
14:42 < rxr> just looked into the t2 worm
14:42 < rxr> mnemoc: I'll continue html/css work now
14:43 < mnemoc> rxr: the third looks quite nice
14:43 < mnemoc> rxr: ok, keep CSSing
14:43 < karasz> mnemoc: you could post to ML....
14:44 < karasz> i am really curious :)
14:44 < mnemoc> minute
14:44 < mnemoc> it's not the mascot we talk yesterday, just a simple logo
14:44 < karasz> did you guys kept the tuxedo and the top hat?
14:44 < rxr> logoT2-2.svg ?
14:45 < rxr> mnemoc: at linux world expo we agreed that we need a decent CMS on www.
14:45 < rxr> ASAP
14:46 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
14:46 < mnemoc> ack, CMS asap
14:46 < rxr> and consider to setup typo3 if no plone become functional thru morfoh or so some time soon
14:46 < mnemoc> rxr: these days we should have news from sparc-kly
14:46 < rxr> susan is working on typo3 related stuff these days - we could even let her set it up
14:47 < rxr> anyway
14:47 < rxr> I continue to get a unique look for www until then
14:47 < rxr> so we have the layout handy when a CMS goes online
14:47 < mnemoc> ack
14:47 < mnemoc> what do you think about the drawing?
14:48 < mnemoc> it's not a wow... but..
14:48 < rxr> the filename I quoted is indeed nice
14:48 < rxr> mnemoc: yep
14:48 < rxr> I would liek something like that:
14:48 < rxr> http://languages.arts.unsw.edu.au/japan/Andrew Beveridge_large/colour_japanese_catepillar.jpg
14:48 < rxr> you had last night
14:50 < mnemoc> karasz: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/t2/logos/ from a friend last night
14:51 < karasz> nice
14:52 < karasz> i like the second version too, but
14:52 < karasz> it is not a capital letter...
14:52 < karasz> the english word slips my mind
14:52 < mnemoc> .svg is there if you want to propose a change
14:53 < karasz> i wouldn't dare to mess someons work
14:54 < karasz> since i have no such talents
14:54 < rxr> mnemoc: do you think it is worth providing the old theme as alternative stylesheet selectable in the browser?
14:55 < mnemoc> rxr: why not?
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14:56 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
14:57 < mnemoc> sepp: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/t2/logos/ <--- a friend did these yesterday
14:58 < sepp> nice idea :)
14:59 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, can you remove the 'just' from frontpage?
14:59 < sepp> i like logoT2-2.png onlt the T looks a bit strange
14:59 < mnemoc> sepp: karasz said something similar
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15:04 < argon> Allways get: "../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/bind.S:5: Error: symbol `__bind' is already defined"
15:04 < sepp> dumb neighbors p2p-ing all the time on my wlan - pff now they have to search someone else to constant kill the connection
15:04 < rxr> argon: hm - I do not remeber ever seeing that
15:04 < rxr> argon: do you cross build ?
15:04 < rxr> if not on what distro do you build ?
15:04 < argon> yes
15:04 < argon> crossbuild
15:05 < argon> This also happens for symbol __listen in listen.S
15:05 < mnemoc> what is your host os?
15:05 < argon> slackware linux
15:06 < argon> But this happens with the crosscompiler
15:07 < rxr> you build sparc of sparc64 ?
15:07 < argon> sparc64
15:07 < rxr> with the default setting, like multilib with 32bit as default ?
15:07 < rxr> btw. trunk or 2.1 ?
15:07 < argon> trunk
15:08 < argon> With default settings for "root/boot install system"
15:09 < rxr> hm - strange
15:09 < rxr> and in glibc, not glibc32 ?
15:10 < SerWou> hell
15:10 < argon> SDECFG_LIBC='glibc
15:11 < SerWou> rxr, what kind of CMS are you going to use ?
15:11 < argon> I also tried SDECFG_SPARC64_32BIT='1' and ='0'
15:12 < rxr> argon: ok - I test build it soon, like today or tomorrow to try reproducing that
15:12 < rxr> SerWou: mnemoc / morfoh favour some plone based stuff - I would use typo3 ..
15:12 < rxr> I tried drupal in the beginning of the year - but valentin and I tihkn it sucked majorly ...
15:13 < SerWou> depending on what you need in fact
15:13 < SerWou> what you wanna publish on the website exactly ?
15:16 < rxr> SerWou: well - it will become more and more a community size
15:16 < rxr> site
15:16 < rxr> news, howto, faw, articles
15:17 < rxr> manuals,
15:17 < rxr> and there must be support for modules that automatically generate the package matrix
15:17 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - old style readded as alternative stylesheet
15:17 < rxr> inh Konqi: View -> Use Stylesheet
15:18 < rxr> in Mozilla*: View -> Page style
15:20 < mnemoc> i see classic, but 'default'=='no style'
15:20 < SerWou> depending from the size of the howto/articles/faq/etc... and what will be the process workflow to publish them, at least, put them on the public part, plone (or zope) and typo3 are pretty good, you should also check SPIP (more publication oriented) and mambo (a lot of modules, allow you to tweak the website exactly for you need + a huge community around)
15:21 < mnemoc> rxr: what i prefer of plone is native multilanguage support and easy extendability, a module to generate a matrix (e.g.) would be really easy.
15:22 < rxr> mnemoc: default results in no style ?
15:22 < rxr> works fine here
15:22 * mnemoc using firefox
15:23 < rxr> I tested in firefox as well
15:23 < mnemoc> i loosed the new style about 10 minutes ago, and it doesn't come back... even closing the browser
15:23 < rxr> oehm
15:23 < rxr> I merged and renamed files
15:23 < rxr> maybe firefox cache is crappy (as the rest of it is)
15:24 < SerWou> my main skills are in webpage creation, any help needed ?
15:24 < mnemoc> i cleaned the cache :\
15:24 < rxr> SerWou: oh ,-)
15:24 < rxr> mnemoc: does cleaning helped ?
15:25 < rxr> SerWou: we are currently seeking for an exclusive look and feel fo the t2 sites, like other distributions have for identification
15:25 < rxr> if you want to do some css work for form a unique design and style ,-)
15:25 < rxr> any alternative stylesheet is welcome
15:25 < rxr> until we agree on which to use in the future
15:26 < SerWou> why not ;)
15:26 < SerWou> a whole css with background, links, forms, etc ?
15:26 < mnemoc> rxr: i had to reopen explicitly the .css file :p
15:26 < rxr> SerWou: yes - with background and whatever images needed
15:27 < rxr> mnemoc: now all is fine ?
15:27 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
15:27 < rxr> mnemoc: good
15:28 < SerWou> light or dark oriented ? any websites you like the details of style on the web maybe ? small or large typo ?
15:28 < rxr> I thin more light oriented
15:28 < SerWou> ok
15:28 < rxr> normal, smaller typo - not too large
15:29 < SerWou> sober & clean i guess
15:29 < SerWou> light oriented
15:29 < rxr> it can have graphic elements but not too many
15:29 < rxr> there are many on zen garden with a lot of graphic that look nice
15:29 < rxr> however usually new pages are then a burden to maintain e.g. in a way that the images fit together and such
15:29 < SerWou> i'm not going to make graphics, especially if you move to a CMS
15:29 < rxr> (aside from the high traffic caused)
15:30 * mnemoc likes TAL :p
15:31 < SerWou> any prefered color maybe ?
15:31 * mnemoc likes gray and blue
15:32 * SerWou like gray/blue too ;)
15:32 < SerWou> grey*
15:32 < SerWou> let me finish to reply to emails and gonna see what i can do to help
15:33 < rxr> SerWou: I'll clean the html code up in some minutes
15:33 < mnemoc> SerWou: did you see the logos i got?
15:33 < rxr> e.g. I'll convert the sidemenu to lists and remove the trailing '-' so it can be better themed
15:33 < rxr> (e.g. with before and after pseudo elements ...
15:34 < SerWou> no mnemoc, link maybe ?
15:34 < rxr> SerWou: best try to do something more different from the current and classic ones
15:34 < rxr> for more inspiration ,-)
15:35 < mnemoc> SerWou: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/t2/logos/
15:35 < SerWou> hummm, got the pression now ;)
15:35 < SerWou> html public "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" !!!!!!!!!
15:35 < SerWou> move to xhtml now !
15:35 < SerWou> haha
15:35 < mnemoc> ack
15:35 < rxr> ouhm ?
15:36 < SerWou> html is dead, thanks for him, it was a huge crap, xhtml is far better
15:36 < SerWou> it's just an advice
15:36 < rxr> SerWou: well - that shold already be quite clean html
15:37 < rxr> but I can do a xhtml transition pass
15:37 < SerWou> plone and others CMS will use will be certainly in xhtml
15:38 < SerWou> it helps a lot to get the same layout on each browser, not like the difference between IEcrap/firefox, etc. you can have with html
15:38 < mnemoc> explicit is better than implicit
15:39 < mnemoc> *neckpain*
15:39 < mnemoc> brb
15:40 < SerWou> why a worm in the mnemoc logos ?
15:40 < SerWou> you wanna change the logo too ?
15:42 < rxr> yep - the t2 text was just a few minutes drawing until we have time for a real logo
15:42 < mnemoc> i didn't do them, they were a contribution.... the last two (-1 and -2) are caterpillars, not worms :p
15:42 < SerWou> ok
15:43 < mnemoc> to start introducing the mascot before it gets modeled
15:45 < mnemoc> * netrunner applied for a conference about cluster computing. topic: Derivation of build time dependencies and compile task distribution in rocklinux
15:45 < mnemoc> .oO
15:45 < SerWou> i'm not a logo expert, but first of all, what t2 means ? secondo, i have only fresh and small Linux/t2 knowledges, but from what i read, and also what i did, t2 are basically tools/environement to make a linux for your need, there are notions or "tweak" "homemade" "built" (...) who should be present in the logo IMHO
15:46 < mnemoc> caterpillar has implicitly 'something' related to construction
15:46 < SerWou> ho ;)
15:46 < rxr> hm - I wonder why with the minimal the text is not justified anymore ...
15:47 < SerWou> this worm made a hole in the T, that scared me out ;)
15:47 < rxr> mozila needs some time until I have a DOM inspector handy
15:47 < mnemoc> webdeveloper extenstion is cool
15:49 < mnemoc> rxr: a print friendly style would be nice too
15:50 < SerWou> ;)
15:50 < SerWou> between, a small question, i wanna install id3v2, you can see the result here : http://pastebin.com/435217, any idea why this make doesn't work ?
15:52 < rxr> mnemoc: where did you wanted a yet or so removed ?
15:53 < mnemoc> rxr: at least removing the menu
15:53 < rxr> menu where ?
15:53 < mnemoc> the menu from the left is print unfriendly
15:54 < rxr> mnemoc: let's optimize print later
15:54 < rxr> mnemoc: T2 is not just a common Linux distribution
15:54 < rxr> the just there ?
15:54 < rxr> you wanted some word removed ..
15:56 < mnemoc> yes, that 'just'
15:57 < mnemoc> as you did on t2-en.pdf
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17:00 < SerWou> just for fun in case someone like it
17:00 < SerWou> http://serwou.free.fr/t2/test/font-test.png
17:02 < mnemoc> o.o
17:02 < SerWou> just typo not modified, it's not a real logo at all
17:02 < SerWou> reload the img
17:08 < mnemoc> after lot of playing around text logos we got the current one. we need something more graphic
17:09 < SerWou> hum, not my aera in that case ;)
17:10 < argon> hehe http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/87/42/33m.jpg
17:10 < argon> Maybe with an iron tux instead :>
17:12 < SerWou> i would to say "t2" are a letter and a number, which is hard to switch it to graphic as other logo, since it's a word, i would be better IMO to get a good font style and use it as a logo. In the case of big company name or name in several part, a real logo is the way to go, something just graphic with the name of the company just below with similar colors and a good typo
17:13 < mnemoc> argon: T2 != linux, so no tux.
17:14 < valentin> hi all
17:14 < argon> oh, yes
17:15 < argon> Hmm, funny, if you combine the "2" with the "T" you get a "R", was this indended?
17:16 < argon> (intended)
17:16 < SerWou> R from René ;)
17:16 < valentin> hehe
17:16 < mnemoc> *G*
17:17 < CIA-10> amery * r13446 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/anjuta/anjuta.desc: * updated anjuta (1.2.3 -> 1.2.4)
17:18 < mnemoc> yuck... i'll have to be on the 'desk' the next presidential election... again :\
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17:20 < rxr> re
17:21 < mnemoc> wb t2ene
17:21 < karasz> :D
17:21 < valentin> hi rene
17:21 < valentin> T2ene
17:22 < mnemoc> :)
17:22 < rxr> hi all ,-)
17:39 < rxr> so - syntax of minimal.css fixed, so the text that was intended to be justified is it again
17:42 < karasz> re hi
17:42 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/upload/fis/t2-proposal.svg
17:43 < karasz> it is not finished but the T is from circles because one of them will be catepillar head
17:43 < karasz> anyone cares to comment?
17:43 < karasz> i am no designer nor can i draw ;)
17:43 < mnemoc> karasz: png?
17:43 < rxr> can you export a png so I do not download and start inkscape ?
17:44 < karasz> i will export one right now
17:44 < valentin> karasz: the 2 is a bit small
17:44 < valentin> does the t-caterpilar have two heads ?
17:45 < CIA-10> amery * r13447 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer-codecs/: * removed mplayer-codecs because it's a dupe of w32codec
17:45 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/upload/fis/t2-proposal.png
17:45 < karasz> nope
17:45 < karasz> i thought that only the T is catepillar
17:46 < karasz> but i lack the talent to make a right catepillar head :(
17:46 < karasz> should i struggle more or is the concept wrong...
17:46 < karasz> ?
17:46 < rxr> karasz: any free time on log ideas is good (tm) ,-)
17:46 < rxr> we have not decided anything yet so, ...
17:46 < mnemoc> karasz: :D
17:46 < karasz> valentin: now i understand yopur question
17:47 < karasz> i guess i must make 2 heads for the catepillar
17:47 < karasz> since with one head i must duplicate the vertical part of the T
17:47 < mnemoc> or make a one-head caterpilla make the shape of a T
17:48 < karasz> i thinked of that mnemoc
17:48 < karasz> but then i must make two verticals for T
17:48 < mnemoc> nor really
17:49 < karasz> and in that case maybe two catepillars back to back is better
17:49 < mnemoc> up, left, right, right
17:49 < karasz> that too
17:49 < karasz> ^^
17:50 < karasz> T from `the S.D.E.` concept?
17:50 < karasz> what do you think?
17:53 < mnemoc> F* ... unionfs crashed again
17:53 < mnemoc> damn crap
17:53 < rxr> I would like some creature or so as logo I think
17:53 < mnemoc> F* F* F*
17:53 < rxr> mnemoc: in production ?
17:53 < mnemoc> yes
17:53 < rxr> ouh
17:53 < rxr> what do you use it for ?
17:54 < mnemoc> vservers
17:54 < mnemoc> to reduce file usage
17:54 < rxr> latest unionfs ?
17:54 < mnemoc> 1.0.14
17:55 < rxr> how stable is it for you ?
17:55 < rxr> or crashig regularly ?
17:55 < mnemoc> 3 times in the last week
17:56 < rxr> autsch
17:56 < rxr> in real production use ?
17:56 < mnemoc> i'll drop it _now_ .... if i can get the machine remotely rebooted
17:56 < mnemoc> yes
17:56 < rxr> ouch - f*
17:56 < mnemoc> it doesn't support anything more than toy load
17:58 < mnemoc> CTX PROC VSZ RSS userTIME sysTIME UPTIME NAME
17:58 < mnemoc> 45 59 942.6M 317.2M 0m11s51 0m06s30 1d18h14 lotus
17:58 < mnemoc> ^---- only a mysql and apache in there
17:59 < rxr> ?
17:59 < mnemoc> that's the vserver which made unionfs crash and leak
18:07 < rxr> lotus is what ?
18:07 < rxr> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=175/175.css
18:07 < argon> hostname I suppose
18:07 < mnemoc> yes
18:09 < rxr> most of the zen garden designs have too much graphic for me
18:11 < mnemoc> ack
18:12 < rxr> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=051/051.css
18:13 < karasz> O_O
18:13 < karasz> maybe not...
18:13 < mnemoc> uhm
18:13 < mnemoc> 175 was better :)
18:13 < CIA-10> valentin * r13448 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: * removed irritating dots '.' in build log message
18:14 < karasz> yep, much better...
18:14 < rxr> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=044/044.css
18:14 < karasz> 175 for me
18:15 < valentin> 51 is kind of p0rn0gr4ph1c
18:15 < rxr> didn't we want to apply the same techniques as ubuntu does ;-) ?
18:15 < rxr> pay some $$$ to some models to get sexy t2 wallpapers and cd covers ?
18:16 < karasz> :(
18:16 < rxr> they seem to successfully apply this sex sells thing
18:16 < karasz> nowdays sex tries to sell everything :(
18:17 < karasz> i even saw a comercial with two gals trying to sell some waffers O_O
18:17 < karasz> i mean what is the connection between sex and waffers???
18:17 < rxr> oops
18:17 < rxr> now mozilla crashed away on this ubunto sex sites ..
18:17 < rxr> ouhm
18:17 < karasz> see...
18:17 < karasz> :)
18:17 < rxr> oh - firefox it was
18:25 < mnemoc> 2 vserver de-unionfs-ied, 6 to go :\
18:26 < mnemoc> i'll look for a COW solution later
18:26 < rxr> maybe just give unionfs some more time ...
18:27 < mnemoc> or a simplification fork ,-)
18:28 < mnemoc> n-layer unions are not really needed
18:28 < rxr> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=091/091.css
18:28 < mnemoc> :)
18:35 < rxr> ok - so I mix this professional style with a nice shadow on the border and I should pretty much what I had in mind
18:35 < rxr> maybe we have a 3rd theme this night
18:35 * rxr moving into parents living room for a more familiar flair ...
18:35 * rxr in the background again
18:45 < karasz> mnemoc: ping
18:47 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/upload/fis/t2-proposal2.png
18:47 < karasz> bash it guys
18:47 < karasz> it is just an ideea which needs much improvment
18:47 < karasz> feedback appreciated :)
18:47 < mnemoc> cute :)
18:48 < karasz> but someone need to draw the head
18:48 < karasz> i can not do it right :(
18:52 < CIA-10> amery * r13449 /trunk/package/multimedia/w32codec/w32codec.desc:
18:52 < CIA-10> * changed w32codec to use essential instead of windows-all, because that on is for windows hosts!
18:52 < CIA-10> * added [U] to w32codec
18:55 < CIA-10> amery * r13450 /trunk/package/multimedia/w32codec/w32codec.conf: * decustmainized w32codec and fixed to not install DLLs on $docdir
18:57 < rxr> ,-)
19:00 < mnemoc> :)
19:00 < mnemoc> btw, we need something like $autodoc=0
19:15 * karasz is dancing around....
19:15 < rxr> oehm
19:15 < rxr> we have that IIRC
19:15 < rxr> at least for most of the doc stuff
19:15 < rxr> karasz: ?
19:15 < karasz> i really like the catepillar T
19:16 < karasz> even if it felt strange at first :)
19:16 < karasz> rxr and it is an animal as you wanted...
19:16 < karasz> but still a T
19:17 < mnemoc> what do you dislike of http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/t2/logos/logoT2-2.png ?
19:18 < karasz> me?
19:18 < mnemoc> all of you :)
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19:19 < karasz> i don't like the fact that the T is a small letter
19:19 < sepp> i like it, its neat - just make T out of leaf ;)
19:19 < karasz> and if you make it capital the catepillar must go up or else it fails...
19:20 < karasz> sepp a T shaped leaf???
19:20 < sepp> yup
19:20 < karasz> maybe a leaf that it is eaten in a T shape?
19:21 < sepp> why not
19:21 < CIA-10> amery * r13451 /branches/2.1/package/multimedia/w32codec/ (w32codec.conf w32codec.desc):
19:21 < CIA-10> * merged 11793,13449 from trunk: updated w32codec (0.91.3 -> 20050412) (essential codec pack)
19:21 < CIA-10> * merged 13449 from trunk: added [U] to w32codec
19:21 < CIA-10> * merged 13450 from trunk: decustmainized w32codec and fixed to not install DLLs on $docdir
19:22 < karasz> other than that mnemoc that design is really nice but if you make a sketch of it...
19:22 < karasz> i guess that the logo has to be sketchable...
19:23 < mnemoc> .oO
19:23 < karasz> something that you can draw with 3 pen strokes
19:23 < mnemoc> T_2
19:23 < mnemoc> :)
19:23 < mnemoc> big T, small 2
19:24 < sepp> :D
19:24 < karasz> yep but where is the catepillar?
19:24 < mnemoc> the 2
19:24 < mnemoc> is the caterpillar on the 'high resolution' logo
19:24 < karasz> T is a letter?
19:24 < karasz> like in letter?
19:24 < karasz> or is a T shaped leaf?
19:24 < mnemoc> maybe a tree
19:25 < karasz> because if it is a leaf you got your catepillar hangin in the air...
19:25 < karasz> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/t2/logos/logoT2-2.png
19:25 < karasz> ^^ catepillar sitting
19:25 < karasz> that is ok
19:25 < karasz> you don't want a hangin catepillar
19:25 < mnemoc> :)
19:26 < karasz> that is why in that design the guy (or girl) used a small T
19:26 < karasz> to have something to sit for the catepillar
19:27 < sepp> its a foreboding of its flying capability :p
19:27 < karasz> you can observ that in the first variant the catepillar is moved up
19:27 < karasz> sepp i guess that is far stretched...
19:28 < sepp> i am just kidding
19:28 < karasz> me not :D
19:29 < karasz> we can allways use a tree like T with a catepillar climbing on it with its tail forming a 2 but i guess that our catepillar will be confused with a snake...
19:30 < mnemoc> snake is better than worm :p
19:30 < karasz> but why worm?
19:30 < karasz> i do not see any corpses around
19:31 * karasz checking to be sure
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19:34 < karasz> i guess tha this is all for today
19:34 < karasz> at least for me
19:34 < karasz> cu guys
19:34 < karasz> or should i say fellows of the Catepillar Order?
19:35 < mnemoc> cu :)
19:48 < valentin> mnemoc: i like that http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/t2/logos/logoT2-2.png
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19:48 < Postal> Hey all
19:49 < Postal> Can I move a windows HD from one computer to another and boot off it?
19:49 < Postal> without having to format it?
19:50 < mnemoc> valentin: i'm building inkscape to see if i can change the t... some dislike it.
19:50 < mnemoc> Postal: yes
19:50 < Postal> how, when i plug the HD into my computer it gives a loop of going to boot win, and then rebooting.. is there somthing I have to do in order to get it to work?
19:50 < argon> If Windows XP. no, if win2k, maybe but you have to remove ide-drivers and your ntfs-encryped files may be lost
19:50 < Postal> Why not winxp?
19:51 < argon> Because this hardware <-> register key I think (never tested it)
19:51 < mnemoc> Postal: boot != start windows :)
19:51 < Postal> mnemoc, ..?
19:52 < Postal> is that from grub
19:54 < Postal> I want to switch mother boards with my mother..
19:54 < Postal> but i cannot do it if she will lose her files programs or emails...
19:55 < Postal> any ideas?
19:55 < mnemoc> backup?
19:55 < Postal> you mean a images of the HD?
19:56 < mnemoc> no, backup of important files and reinstall the crappy OS
19:56 < argon> at least from the neccessary files
19:56 < Postal> well, she wants to keep everything...
19:57 < Postal> what if i reinstall the OS over its self?
19:58 < CIA-10> amery * r13452 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/gnome-doc-utils/gnome-doc-utils.desc:
19:58 < CIA-10> * merged 11646,11976,12340,12660 from trunk: updated gnome-doc-utils (0.3.2 -> 0.4.3)
19:58 < CIA-10> * merged 11733 from trunk: tiny space tweak for gnome-doc-utils.desc
19:58 < CIA-10> * merged 12097 from trunk: repriorized gnome-doc-utils before gnome-desktop
19:58 < Postal> If i dont format the partition this would solve the hardware <---> key problem, and keep the files?
20:00 < mnemoc> use a real _Operative_ system
20:00 < Postal> lol, its my mom..
20:00 < mnemoc> so what?
20:00 < Postal> she will part with windows when i pry it from her cold dead fingers
20:01 < valentin> Postal: give her a kde with redmond theme
20:01 < valentin> tell her it is the new windows special edition
20:01 < valentin> and she will not notice :)
20:02 < Postal> again, it comes back to the files.. can i just backup all the dirs, and the regestry keys and reinstall the os on the new computer?
20:02 < Postal> If I had my way that is exactly what I would do
20:02 < Postal> ie give her kde
20:03 < Postal> so basiclly there is no way to do it..
20:04 < SerWou> rxr, mnemoc , just a test with a temp logo, light/sober/fast : http://serwou.free.fr/t2/test/
20:09 < CIA-10> amery * r13453 /branches/2.1/package/graphic/poppler/poppler.desc: * merged 11764 from trunk: updated poppler (0.4.1 -> 0.4.2)
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20:11 < Postal1> so its not possible?
20:11 < valentin> SerWou: is that some cms or hand made ?
20:12 < valentin> Postal1: i fear that "copy" will not work anymore
20:12 < valentin> but feel free to sync it :)
20:12 < valentin> and tell us what happened
20:13 < Postal1> valentin, I am going to do some research... but if you guys dont think its possible, im not going to risk it.. if i lose those files it'll be my head
20:13 < valentin> why loose them ?
20:14 < valentin> try before you remove them
20:14 < valentin> ah - you want to copy onto the same computer
20:14 < Postal1> The problem is the if my mom loses any of her programs emails.. she will be upset... and the programs require the regestry.. and apparently there is some hardware key of some sort
20:15 < Postal1> valentin, no I want to move the HD to another comp
20:15 < valentin> well, you could do a backup image using dd
20:15 < valentin> then move the HD into that other computer
20:15 < valentin> and see what happens
20:16 < valentin> and if anything is destroyed you have your backup
20:16 < Postal1> I did, it does not boot due to the apparent hardware key
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20:17 < valentin> so you want to overinstall it and then redump the registry and files ? i doubt that will work wo problems
20:17 < mnemoc> Postal: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/t2/logos/logoT2-2b.png <--- without the 't'
20:17 < mnemoc> "add your best T them"
20:17 < MisterN> hi
20:17 < mnemoc> there*
20:17 < mnemoc> hi MisterN
20:18 < Postal1> valentin, I esentially need a way to switch two mother boards without destroying the current files
20:20 < valentin> why not reinstall everything and copy data only ?
20:21 < Postal1> I suppose, but were talking about 80+ gigs of data
20:21 < SerWou> pure handmade valentin during 2h or so ;)
20:22 < mnemoc> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/t2/logos/logoT2-2b.png <--- without the 't'
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20:44 < argon> Does anyone have a log for a glibc build?
20:46 < argon> Ha, I have, it's OK. :)
20:47 < mnemoc> :)
20:49 < argon> Ah, no, it's not complete. :(
20:56 < argon> I would take a complete build_target.log thankfully, too.
20:57 < mnemoc> var/adm/log/$stage-$pkg.{out,err,log}
20:57 < MisterN> cya
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20:57 < mnemoc> and src.$pkg.$random/ERROR-LOG
21:02 < argon> I only have an 1-glibc.err.
21:16 < CIA-10> amery * r13454 /branches/2.1/package/contrib/runit-shutdown/ (. runit-shutdown.desc runit-shutdown.desc): * added runit-shutdown (0.1) from trunk
21:17 < mnemoc> that's the log of a failed build of glibc on stage 1
21:17 < CIA-10> amery * r13455 /branches/2.1/package/contrib/runit-logacct/ (. runit-logacct.desc runit-logacct.desc): * added runit-logacct (0.0) from trunk
21:18 < argon> Yeah, I know. ;)
21:19 < argon> While building it's ".out", if failed .err and on success .log.
21:20 < mnemoc> and if failed .err is copied to src.$pkg.$random/ERROR-LOG
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21:37 < argon> Uh, the x86 boot/rescue system needs a lot more packages.
21:41 < argon> Hmpf, glibc fails for generic x86, too.
21:41 < argon> At least this are some other failures, not from the type but the occurance.
21:42 < mnemoc> argon: set an optimization, 386 at least
21:44 < argon> oh, thanks
21:45 < argon> Also looked like such type of failure, some div symbol.
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22:25 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-hp-new2.png
22:48 < valentin> short re
22:48 < valentin> rxr: one cannot read the top menu bar
22:49 < rxr> I know
22:49 < rxr> it is unfinished
22:49 < valentin> :)
22:49 < rxr> in some seconds you can try in real-life
22:49 < valentin> btw: i would remove those '-' signs in the side menu bar
22:49 < rxr> just select the new modern theme on the side
22:49 < rxr> valentin: yes
22:49 < rxr> I know
22:49 < valentin> :)
22:51 < rxr> now
22:52 < valentin> where ?
22:52 < valentin> not there on www. .org
22:54 < valentin> btw, did you see http://serwou.free.fr/t2/test/ ?
22:55 < rxr> valentin: on www.org
22:55 < rxr> select the alternative modern style
22:57 < valentin> ok
22:57 < valentin> Platforms looks different
22:57 < valentin> the sheet moves a bit to the right
22:59 < valentin> The new font looks much better than the old one :)
23:00 < valentin> the submenu of t2@live looks much better than the one of platforms
23:00 < rxr> valentin: this is _UNFISHED_
23:00 < rxr> I know about all the issues
23:00 < rxr> _GUESS_ why it is not the default style ...
23:01 < valentin> rxr: i did not want to blame you i just wanted to tell you the things i found
23:04 < valentin> cu tomorow early morning
23:05 < rxr> cu
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