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01:32 < madtux> re
01:43 < mnemoc> wb madtux 
01:44 < madtux> thanks master
01:44 < mnemoc> :)
01:45 < madtux> good... you finally accepted it.
01:45 < mnemoc> o.o
01:45 < madtux> the whole master thing
01:46 < mnemoc> uhm
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02:37 < _Ragnar_> rxr: var_append GCC_WRAPPER_INSERT ' ' '-DHP_TIMING_AVAIL'
02:37 < _Ragnar_> that helped my build error
02:38 < mnemoc> what is that?
02:38 < _Ragnar_> fix for the glibc without TLS on athlon
02:39 < mnemoc> does trunk's glibc support non-TLS?
02:39 < _Ragnar_> with that it does
02:39 < mnemoc> easy trick
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05:14 < CIA-11> amery * r13622 /trunk/package/office/ooo/hotfix_beanshell_java15.patch: * fixed ooo/beanshell to build with jikes or java15.
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05:48 < ojh> I dare say the dependency tracling in T2 still needs work . . . I am emerging Glables and about 30 unrelated packages just queued up - both GNOME and KDE programs!!
05:52 < mnemoc> emerge blindly review [DEP] lines on .cache, just for one levels
05:53 < mnemoc> a package is a [DEP] by simply reading a file which belongs to another package
05:53 < ojh> mnemoc: THoes deps get a bit twisted . . . .
05:53 < mnemoc> so, i don't use Emerge-Pkg.
05:54 < mnemoc> i prefer to have a good and complete target
05:54 < mnemoc> and use Emerge-Pkg -deps=none for anything else
05:56 < ojh> mnemoc: I have found some problems, the exact version of the Nvidia driver in 2.1.0 must have a bug on the TNT2. I will upgrade to the latest in Trunk tomarrow and hope nothing blows up.
05:57 < mnemoc> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7676/README.txt <--- TNT2 is not supported
05:57 < ojh> Darn :-/
05:58 < mnemoc> so the solution is to downdate, instead of update
05:58 < ojh> So it is . . . .
05:59 < ojh> mnemoc: And no future fixes to the current working driver. :-/
06:00 < mnemoc> yes, i'll downdate and froze nvidia
06:00 < mnemoc> on 2.1
06:01 < ojh> mnemoc: I feel a bit like going into one of thoes fits. Like when the word "Xbox" comes up in a conversation . . . .
06:04 < ojh> mnemoc: Serously though, next time I get vid card I'll get one with full OSS driver support.
06:05 < ojh> mnemoc: Have you tried using Autopackages on T2? I have just installed several and they work well. The one snag was that I had to add the lagacy C++ library for most of them to install.
06:06 < mnemoc> uhm.... nvidia at 2.1 is 7174, which claims to support TNT2
06:08 < ojh> mnemoc: According to the README it should be working. But I cannot find any reson for the GLX part of the driver to fail to init.
06:09 < mnemoc> did you copy libraries from /usr/src/nvidia to /usr ?
06:10 < ojh> mnemoc: I'm guessing a bug in the driver becuse it works when I boot into my ROCK 2.0.0 install. Exact same X config file copied over.
06:10 < ojh> mnemoc: Are you refering to application libs or X driver libs?
06:11 < mnemoc> everything
06:12 < ojh> mnemoc: It is in the xorg log file that the driver reports that it cannot use its GLX component.
06:12 < mnemoc> take a look into http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xcfgt2
06:16 < ojh> mnemoc: OK, I'll look over that block of code when an Nvidia is set up. I'll need to go over each file and do size compares to confirm that it is from the driver files . . . .
06:18 < mnemoc> that script is not yet at 2.1, but i'll port it
06:18 < mnemoc> before 2.1.1
06:18 < ojh> IC
06:19 < mnemoc> but of course you can do that things by hand and get glx working
06:24 < CIA-11> amery * r13623 /trunk/package/multimedia/flashplayer/ (. flashplayer.conf flashplayer.desc): * added flashplayer (7.0r25) - Macromedia Flash Player for Mozilla
06:52 < CIA-11> amery * r13624 /trunk/package/base/sudo/sudo.desc: * updated sudo (1.6.8p9 -> 1.6.8p12)
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07:32 < mnemoc> gn8 *
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09:11 < rxr> re
09:12 < Xenos> hello rxr
09:12 < Xenos> :)
09:25 < rxr> moin Xenos 
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09:33 < rxr> http://www.linux-community.de/Neues/story?storyid=18399
09:33 < rxr> ^- .oO
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09:36 < rxr> moin misl 
09:36 < misl> hi rxr and all others :)
09:39 < rxr> ah!
09:39 < rxr> how to get a tag in git:
09:39 < rxr> git reset --hard $(cat .git/refs/tags/linux-2.6.14)
09:39 < rxr> I guess I do not need to mention that this is kind of sucky ...
09:45 < CIA-11> rene * r13625 /trunk/package/network/rsync/rsync.desc: 
09:45 < CIA-11> * build rsync in stage 1 (because we just can) - useful on
09:45 < CIA-11>  fresh ports to new architectures
09:47 < CIA-11> rene * r13626 /trunk/package/editors/zile/zile.desc: * build zile in stage 1
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09:49 < Xenos> :?
09:49 < Xenos> :/
09:49 < misl> hi Xenos
09:49 < Xenos> hi, misl 
09:49 < Xenos> these fonts are still invisible for GTK+2 =(
09:53 < rxr> :-(
10:02 < misl> rxr: How can I move the contents of a directory one level up. 
10:02 < misl> mv jre/* .  moves all but files starting with . 
10:02 < misl> Do I need a second mv statement or can it be done in one?
10:05 < rxr> mv jre/{.,}* ?
10:05 < rxr> untested ,-)
10:06 < misl> works, but I get
10:07 < misl> mv: cannot overwrite directory `./.'
10:07 < misl> mv: cannot overwrite directory `./..'
10:07 < misl> I get these with a second mv statement as well.
10:07 < misl> I hope these do not stop package build.
10:12 < misl> :) doesn't stop the build
10:16 < Xenos> ...
10:17 < Xenos> but why they are hidden for gtk2?!..
10:17 < rxr> misl: jre/{.,}[a-zA-Z]* ?
10:18 < rxr> misl: jre/{.,}[a-zA-Z0-9]* ?
10:19 < Xenos> i installed pxl2000
10:19 < Xenos> but it's invisible for gtk2 too :(
10:24 < rxr> mnemoc: Open Patch: 2005102619181228315 [by stf]
10:24 < rxr>  
10:24 < rxr>  Stefan Fiedler:
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10:24 < rxr>          update avifile (0.7.43 -> 0.7-050913), for gcc40, copy patches from T2
10:24  * Xenos is going to #gtk+ for the help..
10:35 < valentin> moin
10:36 < Xenos> moin, valentin
10:36 < Xenos> maybe u can help me?
10:37 < valentin> maybe..
10:37 < Xenos> i installed some pcf fonts
10:37 < Xenos> they are visible for X, but GTK+2 can't find them
10:38 < valentin> .oO i have no idea about pcf fonts
10:38 < Xenos> pcf
10:38 < Xenos> pcf.gz
10:38 < Xenos> ...
10:38 < valentin> maybe #gtk folks can help you better than i can
10:39 < Xenos> they are sleeping now.. :/
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11:32 < rxr> misl: what will be the power-on status of noisy over the next days / weeks ?
11:32 < rxr> will you be @home or can I schedule regtest work that can run for day s?
11:32 < misl> rxr: not sure yet. 
11:32 < rxr> ic
11:33 < misl> I might be at home till monday evening. So scheduling is best done starting tuesday. :)
11:33 < rxr> ok
11:33 < rxr> i load noisy with some build now to get a picture where tunk is cross build wise
11:34 < misl> ack, noisy will be on till about 19:30 or 20:00
11:36 < misl> rxr: You could already start regtest for x86 and x86-64. I guess they will fail quite soon.
11:36 < misl> or would it be wise to make noisy a real 64 bits environment now
11:36 < rxr> t2 should build in either case
11:37 < rxr> since it builds on my subnotebook noisy's 32bit user-space in / could shake out the last remaining bugs
11:37 < misl> minimal doesn't in these cases.
11:38 < misl> at least not in trunk
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12:05 < SerWou> Good morning the Chan
12:05 < misl> hi SerWou
12:08 < SerWou> how are you misl  ?
12:10 < misl> fine thanx, how about you?
12:10 < rxr> moin SerWou 
12:10 < SerWou> morning rxr
12:11 < SerWou> fine fine, thanks ;)
12:11 < SerWou> except this cold weather ;)
12:16 < misl> hehe, maybe rxr will consider java now
12:16 < misl> http://www.cacaojvm.org/
12:18 < rxr> why?
12:18 < rxr> (JIT codegenerators for Arm and MIPS (32-bit, -o32), currently closed-source)
12:20 < misl> rxr: just kidding, but this jvm looks promissing anyway.
12:21 < rxr> yep
12:21 < rxr> indeed ,-)
12:22 < rxr> t2 package soon ?
12:23 < CIA-11> rene * r13627 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-impact/xf86-video-impact.cache: * updated xf86-video-impact.cache with data from a real build
12:23 < rxr> aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh
12:24 < rxr> new glibc snapshot fails in new strange ways
12:24 < rxr> I think we'll soon move to another default C library and leave those glibc hackers alone ...
12:28 < SerWou> hehe rxr
12:29 < SerWou> a lot of people say glibc is crap, i have no idea about it, where are problems ?
12:31 < rxr> rarely compiles, vew release versions ugly code whereever you look at
12:32 < rxr> worst maintainer the wold has ever seeon
12:33 < rxr> -o
12:35 < SerWou> awful ;)
12:35 < SerWou> what are alternatives ?
12:36 < rxr> not too many
12:36 < rxr> uclibc does quite well
12:37 < rxr> dietlibc has mostly nice code - but is static linking only - mostly
12:37 < rxr> and is very stripped down
12:37 < Xenos> rxr: i think that these fonts can't be used with pango or xft
12:38 < Xenos> i downloaded some ttfs, convert them to bdf, then to pcf, gzip them & they works
12:39 < Xenos> but they works only with gtk-aps, not with X
12:40 < Xenos> & now i'm looking for nice pixel fonts... :)
12:43 < SerWou> HOoOOO Xenos 
12:43 < SerWou> that's interesting
12:44 < Xenos> hello, SerWou 
12:44 < SerWou> you can use them in gimp/inkscape/Scribus ?
12:44 < Xenos> yeah..
12:44 < Xenos> but, look
12:44 < Xenos> http://www.proggyfonts.com/index.php?menu=download
12:45 < Xenos> download some PCFs & install them
12:45 < Xenos> u can't use them in gtk-applications
12:45 < Xenos> :/
12:45 < Xenos> but if u could..
12:46 < SerWou> PCF are Mac's ones ?
12:46 < Xenos> no
12:46 < Xenos> X-icon
12:46 < Xenos> they are for *NIX
12:46 < Xenos> for X-window system, as u see
12:47 < SerWou> k
12:58 < rxr> ,-) I have a svn client on my MIPS box now ,- )
13:00 < Xenos> em
13:00 < Xenos> rxr: stupid question :)
13:00 < Xenos> what's mips?
13:02 < rxr> an CPU architecture
13:02 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/platforms/mips.html
13:06 < Xenos> nice..
13:06 < CIA-11> msluis * r13628 /trunk/package/java/java-dirtree/java-dirtree.conf: * Added profile support for jre's as well.
13:07 < CIA-11> msluis * r13629 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-142/ibm-jdk-142.desc: * updated ibm-jdk-142 (1.4.2-1a -> 1.4.2-3)
13:09 < CIA-11> msluis * r13630 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-142/ (ibm-jre-142.desc java-ibm-conf.in): 
13:09 < CIA-11> * updated ibm-jre-142 (1.4.2-1a -> 1.4.2-3)
13:09 < CIA-11> * also populated bin and lib directories properly
13:15 < Xenos> heh
13:15 < mnemoc> Xenos: is your folder on xorg.conf?
13:15 < Xenos> found some font-collection
13:15 < Xenos> mnemoc: yeah
13:16 < mnemoc> what fc-cache tell about them?
13:16 < Xenos> ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/intlfonts/intlfonts-1.2.1.tar.gz <- 23790 KB
13:16 < misl> hi mnemoc :)
13:16 < Xenos> hmm
13:16 < mnemoc> hi misl 
13:16 < Xenos> mnemoc: it ignores them
13:17 < mnemoc> and mkfontdir ?
13:17 < Xenos> yeah..
13:17 < Xenos> the are visible for X
13:17 < Xenos> but gtk-apps ignores them
13:18 < Xenos> as fc-cache..
13:18 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
13:19 < rxr>  10044     ragnar madwifi_main() {
13:19 < rxr>  10044     ragnar }
13:19 < rxr>  10044     ragnar
13:19 < rxr>  10044     ragnar custmain=madwifi_main
13:19 < rxr> this gives a syntax error for me ...
13:19 < rxr> anyone ? _Ragnar_ ?
13:19 < mnemoc> you can't have empty funcions on bash
13:20 < mnemoc> Xenos: strace fc-cache
13:20 < rxr> mnemoc: I know
13:20 < rxr> I just paste what we have on trunk
13:21  * mnemoc slaps _Ragnar_ .... custmain=true
13:21 < mnemoc> Xenos: /etc/fonts/fonts.conf ?
13:21 < Xenos> yep
13:22 < Xenos> but i think
13:22 < Xenos> that these fonts are not for using with pango/xft
13:22 < Xenos> => they doesn't work with gtk-apps
13:23 < mnemoc> gimpnet -> #gtk+ :)
13:23 < CIA-11> rene * r13631 /trunk/package/network/madwifi/madwifi.conf: 
13:23 < CIA-11> * fixed madwifi syntax error due empty custmain function, defined
13:23 < CIA-11>  custmain=true instead
13:23 < Xenos> mnemoc: *G*
13:24 < Xenos> :)
13:25 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe I update glibc on trunk to an even newer snapshot
13:25 < rxr> mnemoc: so far I fixed two new bugs
13:25 < rxr> and sent one upstream ...
13:25 < rxr> the 2nd will follow
13:25 < rxr> my new tactic is to throw any build error mostly with patch to the glibc folks
13:25 < rxr> unti they got their crap building in any of our combination ...
13:26 < rxr> and to use CVS HEAD - since anything else is bitrotting away in glibc CVS anyway ...
13:27 < mnemoc> first time? what did they say last time?
13:28 < rxr> last time ?
13:28 < rxr> == 11/27/05 13:26:07 =[5]=> Finished building package madwifi.
13:29 < rxr> uli is flaming anyone sending in a patch anyway
13:29 < rxr> I do not send patches to them too often ...
13:29 < mnemoc> if this is not your first agressive bug report, how did they take it
13:29  * mnemoc shower
13:32 < rxr> mnemoc: it is sunday - redhat employees are most likely sunning on the beach ...
13:32 < mnemoc> :)
13:32 < rxr> happy shower mnemoc  ,-)
13:33 < Xenos> :)
13:33  * rxr coffe ...
13:33 < Xenos> nice program is
13:33 < Xenos> gtk2_prefs
13:43 < rxr> # cat /proc/cpuinfo
13:43 < rxr> system type             : SGI Octane
13:43 < rxr> processor               : 0
13:43 < rxr> cpu model               : R10000 V2.7  FPU V0.0
13:43 < rxr> BogoMIPS                : 131.07
13:44 < rxr> processor               : 1
13:44 < rxr> cpu model               : R10000 V2.7  FPU V0.0
13:44 < rxr> BogoMIPS                : 131.07
13:44 < rxr> currently building X ,-)
13:44 < Xenos> VEX% cat /proc/cpuinfo
13:44 < Xenos> processor       : 0
13:44 < Xenos> vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
13:44 < Xenos> cpu family      : 15
13:44 < Xenos> model           : 2
13:44 < Xenos> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
13:44 < Xenos> stepping        : 7
13:44 < Xenos> cpu MHz         : 2413.107
13:44 < Xenos> cache size      : 512 KB
13:44 < Xenos> :>
13:45 < Xenos> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid
13:45 < Xenos> bogomips        : 4767.74
13:45 < rxr> Xenos: at least the box looks good ,-)
13:46 < Xenos> :)
13:47 < rxr> http://www.sgi.com/products/remarketed/octane/
13:49 < mipe> i'd like to get the SGI Fuel workstation, cost around 3k IIRC
13:51 < rxr> mipe: linux does not yet run on the fuel
13:51 < mipe> really?
13:51 < rxr> mipe: however I'm the last stopping your reverse engeniering it and getting t2 onto it ,-)
13:51 < misl> mipe: go for it :)
13:52 < mipe> i got access to onyx4, i'd like to get T2 for it, but they wont let me tinker with it since they still have years of support for it...
13:52 < mipe> i just dont like irix that much....
13:54 < rxr> IP34    IP35    Asterix    Fuel    R1x000 at 400-700MHz    Not Supported
13:54 < rxr> http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Silicon_Graphics
13:55 < rxr> I like that one:
13:55 < rxr> http://www.sgi.com/products/workstations/tezro/
13:55 < rxr> though no linux yet either
13:56 < mipe> oh, cool box :)
13:56 < mipe> we need someone to donate SGI boxes, so we can put T2 for them :)
13:59 < rxr> mipe: sgi has other worries ...
13:59 < rxr> e.g. staying in business ...
13:59 < rxr> the problem with the newer boxes is, that someone needs to port the linux kernel and write drivers for those ...
14:00 < rxr> it is not simply selecting mips and building for those ...
14:00 < mnemoc> re
14:00 < rxr> in fact the whole userspace I build for the Octane will just work on them ... so once we have a kernel, ...
14:02 < mipe> indeed, i have been trying to find a webstore that delivers internationally SGI boxes but those are very hard to come by... in Finland, i havent found one yet...
14:02 < mipe> well there are stores that sells the newest ones but i dont have 200K to buy one of those
14:04 < misl> mipe: how about ebay?
14:04 < misl> what kind of box are you looking for?
14:05 < mipe> found one, www.mashek.com
14:06 < mipe> misl: i dont much use ebay, since last time i used my credit card on international website, they took the twice as much they should have taken...
14:06 < mipe> after that i havent much used it...
14:06 < rxr> mnemoc: gcc 4.1 will be out some time "soon" - maybe even use that on trunk
14:06 < mnemoc> 2.2?
14:06 < rxr> mnemoc: it has an equally new, rewritten parser for C that 4.0 introduced for C++
14:07 < rxr> mnemoc: it is faster
14:07 < mnemoc> and stricter? :)
14:07 < rxr> mnemoc: it would be nice to get a 10%++ speed boost compiling again ...
14:07 < rxr> mnemoc: slightly maybe
14:08 < rxr> now is the last chance to integrate it
14:08 < rxr> otherwise this "ABI change" would need for 2.3 next year whenever ...
14:08 < rxr> mnemoc: also 4.1 includes stack smashing protector natively, integrated
14:08 < mnemoc> :)
14:08 < rxr> mnemoc: currently on trunk we have none - due absense of the patch for 4.0 IIRC
14:09 < mnemoc> i need to integrate SSP on glibc :\
14:09 < rxr> considering some security folks might miss this feature in t2 2.2 then ...
14:09 < mipe> hmm, $1200 for octane2 2*300Mhz
14:09 < mipe> rxr: what graphics you got in your octane? V6?
14:09 < rxr> mipe: yes - that are the currently official prices if not obtained from ebay ...
14:09 < rxr> mipe: nope - I have a Impact
14:09 < rxr> Octane (1)
14:10 < rxr> not 2
14:10 < rxr> the V* are Octane2 and above 
14:10 < rxr> the V series has a framebuffer driver but no X yet, but I intend to write the X port once I have t2 completed enough and a Octane2 in the house ...
14:11 < mipe> oh you getting Octane2 too?
14:12 < rxr> yes - for speed reasons
14:12 < rxr> my Octane (first MIPS contact test investment) only has 2x195Mhz ...
14:12 < rxr> (got it for 80EUR ,-)
14:13 < mipe> hmm, all the kde packages should have been build but the applets arent found...
14:13 < mipe> heh, you got it from ebay?
14:13 < misl> mipe: I can get the following
14:13 < misl> SGI Octane2, Single MIPS 64-bit R14000ATM 400MHz, VPro V6 Graphic
14:13 < misl> Adapter, 1GB Ram, 1x18GB SCSI HDD 
14:13 < misl> for approx. 250,- EURO excluding tax
14:14 < mipe> damm
14:14 < mipe> i want that too :(
14:14 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/patches/hlfs/svn/glibc-2.3.6-fstack_protector-1.patch <--- on 2.2?
14:14  * mipe is searching ebay for SGI
14:14 < misl> But I need to buy at least 3 of them :(
14:14 < mipe> misl: oh why so many?
14:15 < mnemoc> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/patches/hlfs/svn/glibc-2.3.6-ssp-1.patch
14:15 < rxr> misl: on a good day you can get such a box with 2 cpus on ebay ...
14:15 < rxr> ... for that price
14:15 < rxr> misl: x86-64 ?
14:15 < rxr> mipe: even ...
14:15 < mipe> rxr: kde? yep...
14:15 < rxr> mipe: kde on x86-64 might need a symlink from /opt/kde3/lib64 to /opt/kde3/lib
14:16 < rxr> otherwise a lot of stuff was not found on my subnotebook
14:16 < rxr> we need to review why this is so
14:16 < rxr> maybe some hardcoding somewhere in kde ...
14:16 < rxr> with that symlink I have not a single issue with kde on x86-64
14:17 < misl> rxr or anyone else: I need some bash magic to determine a directory, could anyone help me out?
14:17 < misl> */jre yields a directory for example IBMblabla/jre. Now I want to get the IBMblabla part.
14:17 < mipe> rxr:thanks symlink fixed them
14:17 < rxr> [ -d $x ] ?
14:17 < rxr> ah - that
14:18 < rxr> misl: echo ${x%/*}
14:18 < mnemoc> misl: afaik only rt.jar and tools.jar may need to be at JAVA_HOME/lib
14:22 < misl> rxr: I don't get what I expect
14:22 < misl> $ echo $minto
14:22 < misl> ibm-java2-i386-50/jre
14:22 < misl> $ echo ${minto%/*}
14:22 < misl> LICENSE ibm-java2-i386-50 test ....
14:22 < misl> The result is the same as echo *
14:23 < misl> mnemoc: are you refering to one of my commits?
14:23 < mnemoc> i read you wanted to symlink all jre/lib to lib 
14:24 < rxr> echo "${minto%/*}"
14:24 < misl> returns *
14:24 < rxr> ouhm?
14:25 < rxr> root@octane:/usr/src/t2-trunk# minto=bm-java2-i386-50/jre
14:25 < rxr> root@octane:/usr/src/t2-trunk# echo "${minto%/*}"
14:25 < rxr> bm-java2-i386-50
14:25 < rxr> ok - forgot an i - but ,-)
14:25 < misl> but what if minto=*/jre ?
14:26 < rxr> ...
14:26 < rxr> # echo "${minto%/*}"
14:26 < rxr> *
14:27 < rxr> if you leave the " away it evaluates to path globbing and thus all files in your current working directory
14:27  * rxr to track segfaulting dietlibc on mips
14:27 < misl> Yepp
14:28 < mnemoc> rxr: why you removed example local.conf on trunk?
14:29 < misl> #minto=$(echo */jre)
14:29 < misl> #echo "${minto%/*}"
14:29 < misl> ibm-java2-i386-50
14:29 < misl> :) Now I get what I want
14:29 < mnemoc> hey
14:29 < mnemoc> that will is multitoken
14:29 < mnemoc> s/will/echo/
14:30 < mnemoc> so ${minto%/*} will only affect the last one
14:31 < misl> mnemoc: seems like setting minto=*/jre is not immediately substituted
14:31 < mnemoc> nope, that doesn't work
14:31 < rxr> misl: I improved the regtester
14:31 < misl> :)
14:31 < rxr> it now outputs compressed Building / Finished lines to the screen
14:31 < rxr> # echo "${minto%/*}"
14:31 < rxr> *
14:31 < misl> mnemoc: what does not work?
14:32 < mnemoc> # echo */jre
14:32 < mnemoc> blackdown-jdk/jre ibm-jdk-142/jre ibm-jre-142/jre kaffe/jre sun-jdk-142/jre sun-jdk-150/jre
14:32 < mnemoc> minto=*/jre <--- no
14:32 < rxr> New config written to config/regtest-alpha/*.
14:32 < rxr> Running build ...
14:32 < rxr> == 14:19:43 =[1]=> Building network/ethtool [3 2.2.0-alpha].
14:32 < rxr> == 11/27/05 14:19:55 =[1]=> Finished building package ethtool.
14:32 < mnemoc> minto=$( echo */jre ) <--- yes
14:32 < rxr> ...
14:32 < misl> mnemoc: I already discovered that the hard way :)
14:32 < rxr> 91 builds total, 86 completed fine, 5 with errors.
14:32 < mnemoc> <mnemoc> rxr: why you removed example local.conf on trunk?
14:33 < mnemoc> for jrelib in $( echo */jre ); do
14:33 < mnemoc> echo ${jrelib%/*}
14:33 < mnemoc> done
14:34 < mnemoc> an if [ -d $jredir ] would be necesary in case no */jre exist
14:34 < mnemoc> or using ls -1 instead of echo
14:34 < rxr> ok - most probably our WANT_DYNAMIC dietlibc does segfault on mips due:
14:34 < rxr> #ifdef WANT_DYNAMIC
14:34 < rxr> /* FIXME: dl_init parameter ??? */ la      $25, _dyn_start
14:35 < misl> mnemoc: I only need it in package/java/ibm-jre-142/java-ibm-conf.in to determine the directory where the archive got extracted. So no for is needed :)
14:36 < mnemoc> $srcdir ?
14:36 < misl> currently java_home_original is hard coded in there.
14:37 < misl> I have ibm java 1.5 ready to be included but is has a different home dir.
14:38 < mnemoc> misl: i think you should simply use a custextract
14:39 < misl> mnemoc: I have one
14:39 < mnemoc> i see extraction on postmake
14:40 < misl> but I want 1.4.2 and 1.5 to use the same java-ibm-conf.in
14:40 < mnemoc> you don't need java_home_original
14:40 < misl> why not?
14:40 < mnemoc> set srctar and use a custextract
14:41 < mnemoc> you will 'appear' at $java_home_original
14:41 < mnemoc> so no 'cd' will be needed
14:42 < mnemoc> rxr: please, why did you remove example local.conf on trunk?
14:43 < misl> mnemoc: I will give it a try
14:44 < mnemoc> srctar=$( match_source_file foo ) <--- without -p
14:44 < rxr> what local.conf ?
14:44 < mnemoc> xorg
14:44 < rxr> ?
14:44 < rxr> ah - for fonts ?
14:44 < mnemoc> yes
14:44 < rxr> because there is now a new *.d theme to be used
14:44 < rxr> and I thought the file would no longer be needed IIRC
14:45 < rxr> mnemoc: why do you ask ?
14:45 < rxr> /etc/fonts/conf.d/
14:45 < mnemoc> because i'm doing some merges from xorg-server
14:46 < mnemoc> keinek have big trobules with fonts... and i thought removing fonts.conf was your fix
14:47 < mnemoc> local.conf
14:47 < rxr> nope
14:47 < rxr> 2.1 is fine
14:49 < mnemoc>     88          echo "Copying default example configs ..."
14:49 < mnemoc>     89          cp -fv $base/package/x11/xorg/xorg.conf.data \
14:49 < mnemoc>     90                  $root/etc/X11/xorg.conf.example
14:49 < mnemoc>     91          if [ -f $root/etc/X11/xorg.conf ]; then
14:49 < mnemoc>     92                  cp -v $root/etc/X11/xorg.conf{.example,}
14:49 < mnemoc>     93          else
14:49 < mnemoc>     94                  touch $root/etc/X11/xorg.conf
14:49 < mnemoc>     95          fi
14:49 < mnemoc> ^---- this doesn't look fine
14:49 < mnemoc> but is fixed on 2.2
14:54 < rxr> what line is not fine ?
14:54 < mnemoc> if exist; replace; else touch
14:55 < rxr> oh
15:03 < misl> $%#&^$$ grummel    IBM changed naming scheme
15:04 < rxr> hm - got an oops on the mips and the kernel is still up ...
15:04 < rxr> puh
15:05 < misl> mnemoc: simplified java-ibm-conf.in works just fine, however since ibm changed its naming scheme no source archive is matched.
15:06 < misl> for 142
15:06 < misl> x86)            srctar="`match_source_file 142.tgz`" ;;
15:06 < misl> for 150
15:06 < misl> x86)            srctar="`match_source_file 386.tgz`" ;;
15:06 < misl> :(
15:12 < mnemoc> \(142\|386\).tgz
15:13 < misl> thanks, that's a lot shorter than what I currently have :)
15:13 < misl>         x86)            srctar="`match_source_file 386.tgz`";
15:13 < misl>                         if [ -z "$srctar" ]; then
15:13 < misl>                                 srctar="`match_source_file 142.tgz`";
15:13 < misl>                         fi ;;
15:14 < mnemoc> :)
15:14 < mnemoc> this is T2 not debian/rules :)
15:15 < misl> ?
15:15 < rxr> misl: just wanted to point to a clean solution ,-)
15:15 < mnemoc> *G*
15:16 < rxr> mnemoc: we could introduce build rules into all up-stream packages with the name t2-rulez ,-) equally to debian - for effective propaganda ,-)
15:16 < mnemoc> :D
15:17 < misl> T2 already rulez doesn't it :)
15:17 < rxr> This is to announce that the first release candidate is now available
15:17 < rxr> for download at:
15:17 < rxr> ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/gdb/snapshots/branch/gdb-6.3.90.tar.bz2
15:19 < mnemoc> i have to go... bbl :) bye
15:19 < rxr> cu mnemoc - have fun
15:19 < misl> cu mnemoc
15:19 < mnemoc> thanks ,-)
15:19  * rxr wonders if mnemoc always has to go when I mention a big, ugly, rotting gnu package ...
15:20 < misl> mnemoc: naughty you leaving me with something shorter that does not work :)
15:20 < rxr> .o
15:24 < rxr> oops - I think I froze the octane again ...
15:40 < misl> hehe :D done
15:40 < CIA-11> msluis * r13632 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-142/java-ibm-conf.in: 
15:40 < CIA-11> * Simplified custom build.
15:40 < CIA-11> * added support for the new IBM JVM 1.5.0 beta.
15:53 < CIA-11> msluis * r13633 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-150/ (. ibm-jre-150.desc): * added ibm-jre-150 (1.5.0) - a java runtime environment
15:54 < CIA-11> msluis * r13634 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-150/ (. ibm-jdk-150.desc): * added ibm-jdk-150 (1.5.0) - a java development kit
16:00 < mipe> whats good vnc like software? kde comes with remote desktop but with quick look it looked bit slower than vnc
16:02 < rxr> nx is good - but sort of commercial
16:02 < rxr> I so far have not successfully puzzled to open source pieces together
16:06 < rxr> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 2536 Nov 27 14:54 a.out
16:06 < rxr> root@octane:/usr/src/t2-trunk# ./a.out
16:06 < rxr> Hello World! (A simple C program.)
16:06 < rxr> root@octane:/usr/src/t2-trunk# file a.out
16:06 < rxr> a.out: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, MIPS, MIPS-IV version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped
16:06 < rxr> so - finally
16:08 < mipe> :)
16:13 < rxr> but my C++ code for dietlibc does not yet build - used in hotplug++ - sigh
16:17 < rxr> ah - guess I found it ...
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16:49 < rxr> so - now dietlibc tinkery "works on my MIPS(tm)"
16:53 < rxr> # file ./hotplug++
16:53 < rxr> ./hotplug++: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, MIPS, MIPS-IV version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped
16:53 < rxr> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 126820 Nov 27 15:41 hotplug++
16:54 < mipe> hmm, nvidia drivers doesnt get installed propely on 2.1
16:58 < rxr> hm,
16:58 < rxr> juche - svn with http:// and https:// now on my mips ,-)
16:59 < rxr> == 15:04:22 =[9]=> Building develop/subversion [1.2.3 2.2.0-alpha].
16:59 < rxr> == 11/27/05 15:46:44 =[9]=> Finished building package subversion.
16:59 < rxr> but I compiled some other things in between ...
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17:02 < CIA-11> rene * r13635 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/sane-defaults.patch: 
17:02 < CIA-11> * improved dietlibc by always injecting strictly required options,
17:02 < CIA-11>  not only when -Os is specified - this fixes dietlibc with
17:02 < CIA-11>  WANT_DYNAMIC on mips*
17:02 < rxr> ^- commited from the sgi Octane ,-)
17:02 < VX> :)
17:03 < rxr> hi VX 
17:04 < VX> hi, rxr.. u know  vx = xenos, yep? ;>
17:04  * rxr off to susan - cu
17:04 < rxr> VX: yep
17:04 < rxr> Xenos when in xchat mode or so ,-)
17:04 < VX> "_"
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18:04 < rxr> re
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18:44 < drum> hallo leute
18:46 < drum> how is hardware-detection in @live solved?
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18:57 < valentin> drum: using hotplug++
19:08 < drum> valentin would you recommend creatin another "kanotix" with t2 or is t2@live for other purposes, which i dont kno..?
19:12 < drum> and how could i install packages, which are not in teh t2 repository? lets say i want to install something from svn or cvs.. on my target system
19:18 < misl> drum: it is quite easy to create your own packages :)
19:23 < drum> i see
19:23 < drum> would you recommend some docu for starting with @live remastering.. ehmm i mean creating
19:23 < drum> ?
19:31 < drum> ok i found the stuff.. is there a date for @live final?
19:34 < misl> drum: for adding your own packages, you do not need to start off with @live. You could first add the packages and do the remastering later on.
19:34 < misl> rxr is the one that knows when @live should be finished.
19:35 < misl> Packages added to T2 can be used by any target (for instance @Live, desktop, mnemosyne, ... )
19:39 < misl> drum: these packages you intend to add, are these public? if so, which packages?
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19:59 < misl> rxr: noisy will be shut down shortly
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20:18 < rxr> re
20:18 < rxr> hi drum 
20:18 < rxr> drum: what is your live question ?
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20:26 < rxr> drum: T2 @Live is a normal target withint t2 - just build it and select stuff to be removed / added ..
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20:29 < rxr> f*ck - freezed my Octane remotely ...
20:34 < Xenos> :/
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21:11 < drum> rxr@ i just asked about the final release date.. 
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21:13 < TheBeast> can someone please tell me where t2's ftp server is located? I was reading through the handbook and I wanted to download/write the boot floppies but I can't find the server :)
21:15 < drum> somewhere in germany i think..
21:15 < TheBeast> yea, I guess so
21:15 < TheBeast> but there's no link pointing at it on the whole site
21:15 < drum> why do u need an ftp-server?
21:15 < TheBeast> download the floppies
21:16 < TheBeast> boot
21:16 < TheBeast> then start installing t2
21:17 < misl> TheBeast: have a look at http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/2.1.0/
21:18 < misl> but they are not floppies but isos
21:18 < drum> but he wants a netinstall as in debian.. 
21:21 < TheBeast> ah, nevermind
21:22 < misl> have you checked http://www.t2-project.org/buildintro.html
21:27 < Xenos> gigi
21:28 < Xenos> t2-community is growin up ^^
21:29 < rxr> TheBeast: oh - yes, we have not build install floppys the last time
21:29 < rxr> TheBeast: what arch / use case do you need them for ?
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21:54 < madtux> hello
21:57 < TheBeast> odin lol
21:57 < TheBeast> :)
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21:59 < madtux> what's so funny about it?
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22:02 < drum> you kno a qt-channel except #qt  ppl are just idling there..
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22:24 < rxr> re
22:26 < madtux> wb rene
22:31 < rxr> moin miguel
22:32 < madtux> how are things?
22:33 < rxr> my Octane is kind of randomly freezing - that is not too good
22:33 < Xenos> 'night all
22:33 < Xenos> ;)
22:33 < rxr> beside of that quite well ,-)
22:33 < rxr> n8 Xenos 
22:33  * Xenos is away: dropped to bed..
22:34 < madtux> rxr: oh.
22:37 < rxr> madtux: but I already got enough for svn including https support on the mips - thus not too bad ,-)
22:38 < madtux> u have been plyaing with mips? great
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23:02 < rxr> so - let's see how long the Octane survives with a kernel supplied by the main developer for that box ...
23:08 < rxr> so - me then back to susan - in the hope the octane sustain a night of build load (...)
23:13 < karasz> moin all
23:13 < rxr> moin karasz 
23:13 < karasz> it is a very short visit just to say hello
23:14 < rxr> hello ,-)
23:14  * rxr also off to susan
23:14 < karasz> :)
23:14 < rxr> Octane is creating modular xorg-server makefiles now - finally ,-)
23:14 < rxr> let's see if I have X and ALSA on the box tomorrow ,-)
23:14 < rxr> 47 min,  5 users,  load average: 3.67, 3.12, 2.49
23:15 < rxr> n8 all
23:15 < rxr> cu karasz 
23:18 < karasz> cu all on monday g8 all
23:20 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13636 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/10-minimal-xorg.in: * generic/minimal-xorg needs mesa
23:20 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13637 /trunk/package/xorg/mkfontdir/mkfontdir.desc: * decrease mkfontdir's [P], so that it is surely build before the fonts
23:24 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13638 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.conf: 
23:24 < CIA-11> * etc/X11/app-defaults created before make install
23:24 < CIA-11>  (maybe some makefile screw up?)
23:30 < drum> is there a way to get framebuffer (vesa-tng) autoconfig + detection??
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