--- Log opened Thu Dec 01 00:00:03 2005
00:25 < madtux> re mnemoc
00:26 < mnemoc> hi madtux
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01:53 < madtux> jsaw, are u raping the channel?
01:54 < madtux> inside... outside... inside... outside.... inside...
01:54 * madtux slowly steps back.
01:55 < mnemoc> o.o
01:55 * madtux .oO( esta cabron se esta fornicando el canal )
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07:23 < mipe> morning all
07:52 < rxr> re
07:52 < rxr> moin mipe
08:22 < CIA-11> rene * r13693 /trunk/package/base/linux26/amd-geode.patch: * accumulated the important patches for the AMD Geode from linux-kernel
08:45 < CIA-11> rene * r13694 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/initrdinit: (log message trimmed)
08:45 < CIA-11> * further improved our early user-space, no static two seconds delay
08:45 < CIA-11> to wait for usb / firewire drives, try ten times with one second
08:45 < CIA-11> delay instead - speeds up booting from normal devices by two seconds
08:45 < CIA-11> * mount /proc/bus/usb to allow coldplugging of USB devices (fixes
08:45 < CIA-11> boot from USB)
08:45 < CIA-11> * store filesystems to probe in a variable, so not a second process
08:46 < _Ragnar_> patches for geode?
08:46 < _Ragnar_> it worked for me without any special patches O_O
08:46 < rxr> _Ragnar_: the new Geode ...
08:46 < rxr> LX and such
08:46 < rxr> includes IDE support ...
08:46 < _Ragnar_> soekris also has ide
08:47 < _Ragnar_> dunno if that's on-chip tho
08:47 < rxr> _Ragnar_: if IDE worked for you, you have an old, slow Geode ...
08:47 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr*
08:47 < _Ragnar_> it's slow alright ;)
08:47 < rxr> this is for new, 2nd generation Geode LX and some other ...
08:47 < _Ragnar_> ah
08:47 < rxr> i only added the important patches
08:48 < rxr> there is stuff on linux-kernel to fine tune the 2nd serial port to be a serial port or monitor DDC and such
08:48 < rxr> i only imported the stuff needed for normal operation
08:48 < rxr> like IDE and porper cache size report ...
08:48 < _Ragnar_> yea ok
08:48 < rxr> to not pollute the linux26 package too much
08:48 < _Ragnar_> what platform do you use it on?
08:49 < rxr> platform?
08:49 < rxr> t2 target ?
08:49 < _Ragnar_> the geode
08:49 < _Ragnar_> do you have it in a certain device?:)
08:50 < rxr> it is a dt research box
08:50 < _Ragnar_> ah ok
08:50 < _Ragnar_> nothing mass market
08:50 < rxr> http://www.dt-research.com/
08:50 < rxr> well - they ship in quantities ...
08:50 < rxr> is is just the company name ...
08:50 < _Ragnar_> ah ;) neat
08:51 < rxr> the device is yet the next archivista product ...
08:51 < rxr> the archivista target is run on those ...
08:51 < rxr> they will ship in higher quantities ...
08:52 < _Ragnar_> oh ;)
08:52 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
08:54 < _Ragnar_> btw ... I'm looking for a 32bit embedded SoC with SPI,I2C,USB & uart
08:54 < _Ragnar_> any recommendations?
08:54 < rxr> for a selfmade board, or a ready to ship one ?
08:55 < rxr> x86 or anything?
08:55 < _Ragnar_> anything, preferably not x86 *hates x86 asm*
08:55 < _Ragnar_> ready to ship one
08:56 < rxr> hm
08:56 < rxr> to run linux on it - or some custom binary?
08:56 < _Ragnar_> custom binary
08:58 < _Ragnar_> philips makes one using an arm core that looks nice
08:59 < _Ragnar_> but they only go up to 70mhz
09:00 < rxr> ouhm - you have requirements ...
09:00 < rxr> well - there are other mips and arm cores as well
09:00 < rxr> broadcom ships high frequency mips cores
09:01 < rxr> and there are also a lot of arm cores of course
09:01 < rxr> but for such a system I have not yet taken a look
09:01 < _Ragnar_> ah ok
09:02 < _Ragnar_> broadcom isn't exactly what I'd like regarding to documentation :)
09:02 < _Ragnar_> but I'm gonna take a look
09:04 < rxr> _Ragnar_: I think for their SoC for custom software they are actually realsing the docs ...
09:04 < _Ragnar_> wow :)
09:04 < rxr> in contrast to their crappy w-lan chips they keep secret ...
09:04 < _Ragnar_> yea
09:05 < _Ragnar_> well the hardware isn't crappy (at least in my hp laptop it beats all other laptops of friends in distance and signal quality)
09:06 < _Ragnar_> dunno if that's due to the chipset or due to hp building good antennas ;)
09:07 < _Ragnar_> but their non-documentation policy sucks
09:08 < _Ragnar_> btw new firefox and new kde fails in trunk ;)
09:09 < CIA-11> rene * r13695 /trunk/target/livecd/init:
09:09 < CIA-11> * synced livecd/init accordingly: mount proc/bus/usb, no static two
09:09 < CIA-11> seconds delay and load sg (just to be in sync)
09:12 < _Ragnar_> oh anyone here gonna be at ccc?
09:12 < rxr> will you?
09:18 < _Ragnar_> could very well be
09:18 < rxr> oh
09:18 < rxr> maybe then I should pan a day there, too ,-)
09:19 < _Ragnar_> =)
09:24 < rxr> btw. automated gnome 2.12.2 update running
09:24 < _Ragnar_> o_O oh yea lets break gnome too:)
09:24 < rxr> I'll soon take a look on trunk's kde and such - but as far as I saw reference built so far
09:25 < _Ragnar_> had some stange errors here
09:25 < _Ragnar_> looking for libattr and libacl in /usr/lib/.libs
09:26 < rxr> ah
09:26 < rxr> I fixed that already
09:26 < _Ragnar_> oh ok
09:26 < rxr> that is due our lib postbuild move from /lib to /usr/lib
09:26 < rxr> I disabled that on trunk
09:26 < rxr> however mnemoc and jsaw proposed to add some compat symlink
09:26 < rxr> as other dists seem to do in that case
09:27 < rxr> all in all this is just because complete junk libtool code ...
09:27 < _Ragnar_> yea indeed
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09:28 < _Ragnar_> I think libtool should be fixed instead;p
09:28 < _Ragnar_> but kde doesn't seem to like the system libtool
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09:30 < owl> *yawn* moin
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09:44 * rxr uni - cu
09:44 < _Ragnar_> have a good day
09:44 < _Ragnar_> I'm off to bed
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11:56 < SerWou> good morning guys
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12:14 < rxr> re
12:26 < CIA-11> rene * r13696 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (21 files in 21 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:26 < CIA-11> * updated gnome 2.12.2, including
12:26 < CIA-11> * updated control-center (2.12.1 -> 2.12.2)
12:26 < CIA-11> * updated eel (2.12.1 -> 2.12.2)
12:26 < CIA-11> * updated eog (2.12.1 -> 2.12.2)
12:26 < CIA-11> * updated file-roller (2.12.1 -> 2.12.2)
12:26 < CIA-11> * updated gconf-editor (2.12.0 -> 2.12.1)
12:29 < CIA-11> rene * r13697 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
12:29 < CIA-11> * updated evolution (2.4.1 -> 2.4.2)
12:29 < CIA-11> * updated evolution-data-server (1.4.1 -> 1.4.2.1)
12:30 < CIA-11> rene * r13699 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkhtml/gtkhtml.desc: * updated gtkhtml (3.9.1 -> 3.9.2)
12:31 < CIA-11> rene * r13698 /trunk/package/gnome2/libsoup/libsoup.desc: * updated libsoup (2.2.6.1 -> 2.2.7)
12:31 < CIA-11> rene * r13700 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-speech/gnome-speech.desc: * updated gnome-speech (0.3.8 -> 0.3.9)
12:32 < CIA-11> rene * r13701 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdm/gdm.desc: * updated gdm (2.8.0.6 -> 2.8.0.7)
12:32 < CIA-11> rene * r13702 /trunk/package/gnome2/gcalctool/gcalctool.desc: * updated gcalctool (5.7.8 -> 5.7.11)
12:32 < CIA-11> rene * r13704 /trunk/package/gnome2/glibmm/glibmm.desc: * updated glibmm (2.8.1 -> 2.8.2)
12:32 < CIA-11> rene * r13705 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-doc-utils/gnome-doc-utils.desc: * updated gnome-doc-utils (0.4.3 -> 0.4.4)
12:32 < CIA-11> rene * r13703 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (gail/gail.desc libgail-gnome/libgail-gnome.desc):
12:32 < CIA-11> * updated gail (1.8.5 -> 1.8.8)
12:32 < CIA-11> * updated libgail-gnome (1.1.1 -> 1.1.2)
12:33 < CIA-11> rene * r13706 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-keyring/gnome-keyring.desc: * updated gnome-keyring (0.4.5 -> 0.4.6)
12:33 < CIA-11> rene * r13707 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-system-tools/gnome-system-tools.desc: * updated gnome-system-tools (1.4.0 -> 1.4.1)
12:33 < CIA-11> rene * r13708 /trunk/package/gnome2/rhythmbox/rhythmbox.desc: * updated rhythmbox (0.9.1 -> 0.9.2)
12:34 < CIA-11> rene * r13709 /trunk/package/gnome2/epiphany/epiphany.desc: * updated epiphany (1.8.2 -> 1.8.3)
12:34 < CIA-11> rene * r13710 /trunk/package/gnome2/devilspie/devilspie.desc: * updated devilspie (0.15 -> 0.16)
12:34 < CIA-11> rene * r13711 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk-engines/gtk-engines.desc: * updated gtk-engines (2.6.5 -> 2.6.6)
12:35 < CIA-11> rene * r13712 /trunk/package/gnome2/pybliographer/pybliographer.desc: * updated pybliographer (1.2.6.2 -> 1.2.7)
12:50 < CIA-11> rene * r13713 /trunk/package/xorg/ (72 files in 72 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:50 < CIA-11> * updated remaining xorg packages to RC2, those have been missed by
12:50 < CIA-11> the last auto-update since the tracker could nto correctly identify
12:50 < CIA-11> the base name, ..., including:
12:50 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-input-fpit (1.0.0.1 -> 1.0.0.2)
12:50 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-input-digitaledge (1.0.0.1 -> 1.0.1)
12:50 < CIA-11> * updated xf86-input-dmc (1.0.0.1 -> 1.0.0.2)
12:53 < CIA-11> rene * r13714 /trunk/source/UpdateList.cc:
12:53 < CIA-11> * improved the update tracker to better guess the basename and thus
12:53 < CIA-11> be able to match packages with a lot of files per up-stream
12:53 < CIA-11> directory, such as xorg, enlightenment, et.al.
12:53 < CIA-11> * improved one function signature slightly to accept any std::istream
12:53 < CIA-11> instead of just std::ifstream
13:08 < rxr> 4161 builds total, 2916 completed fine, 142 with errors.
13:10 < rxr> t2 trunk mostly HEAD
13:10 * rxr rescheduling xorg and gnome2 updates ...
13:12 < SerWou> moin rxr
13:20 < rxr> moin SerWou
13:21 < SerWou> how are you today ?
13:23 < rxr> oh - well, as usual ,-)
13:26 < rxr> valentin: kde 3.5, X.org RC2 T2@Live with USB CD-ROM support and installer till Monday?
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13:35 < madtux> moin
13:47 < CIA-11> rene * r13715 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (update-restore.sh update-store.sh): * added new archivista mail-server to the update store/restore procedure
14:09 * Xenos is back (gone 02:05:28)
14:12 < rxr> moin miguel
14:12 < madtux> Good day Rene
14:13 < karasz> moin all
14:13 < madtux> hello there
14:13 < karasz> hello back madtux ;)
14:15 < karasz> arghhh ugly day today :(
14:15 < karasz> dark n rainy
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14:15 * karasz feels like the T2 weather guy :D
14:16 < madtux> karasz, i really like it dark and rainy... foggy is also ok for me
14:17 < karasz> sunburned beaches for me ...
14:18 < karasz> hmm i'm 600 miles from the closest beach :(
14:18 < karasz> and that is not sunburned either...
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14:20 < rxr> f*ck
14:21 * rxr was smart enough to remove my reference build ...
14:21 < rxr> well - at least the cache is trained now ...
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14:46 < rxr> hehe - /me now in the evil's CVS ChangeLog: ChangeLog 1.9720 3 days aj (MREMAP_FIXED): Added. Patch by Ren?(C) Rebe .
14:46 < Xenos> "_"
14:46 * Xenos welcomes rxr
14:49 < madtux> :)
14:52 < karasz> re hi
14:52 < mnemoc> moin
14:52 < karasz> rxr is it of any use if we use the IBM C compiler to compile world for ppc64?
14:52 < karasz> hello mnemoc
14:53 < Xenos> mnemoc, karasz - hello
14:53 < mnemoc> moin karasz, Xenos, madtux, rxr
14:53 < Xenos> :)
14:53 < Xenos> t2 ownz
14:56 < karasz> is it of any use if we use the IBM C compiler to compile world for ppc64?
14:56 < mnemoc> i doubt you could do a 'world' with anything but gcc
14:57 < karasz> maybe i didn't used the corect wording...
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14:58 < karasz> nut they say that it is fully gcc compatible
14:58 < karasz> s/nut/but
14:58 < karasz> i wonder if it will show any performance improvement on that arch if we use their compiler...
15:06 < madtux> hi mnemoc
15:08 < rxr> karasz: I never tried that
15:08 < rxr> karasz: I doubt everything will build - let's not talk about the glibc or linux-kernel ...
15:09 < karasz> reading stuff about it
15:09 < karasz> but it seems so lame that an article about that comparision talks only about how IBM is evil or not :(
15:09 < karasz> sooo lame
15:10 < rxr> moin mnemoc
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16:13 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
16:13 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
16:13 [Users #t2]
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16:13 [ CIA-11 ] [ madtux] [ mtr ] [ SerWou ] [ valentin ]
16:13 [ jsaw ] [ maro ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly] [ Xenos ]
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16:16 < rxr> rehi
16:17 < mnemoc> wb rxr
16:22 < rxr> hey mnemoc
16:26 < CIA-11> rene * r13716 /trunk/package/base/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
16:26 < CIA-11> * updated glibc (20050919 -> 20051128)
16:26 < CIA-11> * updated glibc32 (20050919 -> 20051128)
17:02 < CIA-11> rene * r13717 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (install.sh update-restore.sh):
17:02 < CIA-11> * improved / fixed archivista target to not take over root and archivista
17:02 < CIA-11> passwords during the an update installation - they won't match the new
17:02 < CIA-11> database
17:24 < CIA-11> rene * r13718 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (apache-https-disable.sh apache-https-enable.sh):
17:24 < CIA-11> * improved archivista target to let fluxbox reconfig when we adapt the
17:24 < CIA-11> keys file - so far fluxbox only checks the timestamp of the menu file ...
17:38 < CIA-11> pfister * r13719 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/data/archivista/tmp.perm: Permission rights for tmp path
18:10 < CIA-11> amery * r13720 /branches/2.1/package/kde/ (28 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:10 < CIA-11> * merged 12028,12542,12555,12556 from trunk: updated kdebase (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3)
18:10 < CIA-11> * merged 12053,12542,12557 from trunk: updated kdepim (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3)
18:10 < CIA-11> * merged 11562,12542 from trunk: updated arts (1.4.2 -> 1.4.3), and fixed for x86_64
18:10 < CIA-11> * merged 11790,12545 from trunk: updated kde-i18n-bg (3.4.1 -> 3.4.3)
18:10 < CIA-11> * merged 11790,12546 from trunk: updated kde-i18n-de (3.4.1 -> 3.4.3)
18:10 < CIA-11> * merged 11790,12543 from trunk: updated kde-i18n-es (3.4.1 -> 3.4.3)
18:19 < rxr> Linux 2.6.15-rc4
18:31 < rxr> maybe I get a dual-core powermac today
18:31 < _Ragnar_> hmmm kdelibs still doesn't build for me? o_O
18:33 < mnemoc> rxr: archivista?
18:33 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: 3.5?
18:33 < _Ragnar_> yea
18:34 < rxr> mnemoc: nah - archivista is using remarkedable hardware
18:34 < rxr> have to pay it myself of course ...
18:35 < rxr> initially I wanted to get it this weekend (thru my brother - he gets a account there)
18:35 < rxr> but he decieded to come over to berlin with the box today ...
18:36 < mnemoc> :D
18:37 < rxr> the Geode is Archivista's
18:37 < rxr> though I buy two of them myself - one as new router to cut electricity costs (replacing the power hungry rs6k) and susan wants one - to cut the noise level of her current Athlon 700 or so ,-)
18:38 < mnemoc> :)
18:39 < mnemoc> how is it's performance compared to duron?
18:39 < rxr> of the geode?
18:39 < mnemoc> yep
18:39 < rxr> the geode is slow - it's primary goal is to consume as less power as possible ...
18:40 < rxr> thus ~ 1W under normal load ...
18:40 < rxr> the power supply is smaller than then one of my linksys w-lan router ...
18:40 < mnemoc> :)
18:40 < rxr> it needed a lot of time to build linux26
18:41 < mnemoc> why did you build linux26 there?
18:41 < rxr> I set the date durint that by over one moth (strange factory date ...) so I do not know for sure
18:41 < rxr> maybe it took over 3 hours ...
18:41 < rxr> mnemoc: because the vanilla kernel missed IDE support ...
18:41 < rxr> and I wanted to test the box - especialls how hot it gets ...
18:41 < rxr> and it does not really get hot
18:42 < mnemoc> fanless?
18:42 < rxr> the Octane that would be nice got a price as high as over 800EUR ... :-(
18:42 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - fan less
18:42 < mnemoc> madtux claims to have good contacts on sgi....
18:45 < rxr> in contrast to the Octane - which is noisy
18:46 < mnemoc> a lab full of them would be nice to study
18:48 < madtux> mnemoc, ?!
18:48 < rxr> study as in reading book?
18:48 < rxr> ji madtux
18:48 < rxr> hi even
18:48 < madtux> ji ren
18:48 < rxr> madtux: you have sgi contacts?
18:48 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
18:48 < rxr> may mention details ?
18:49 < madtux> rxr, a few
18:49 < madtux> what do u need?
18:50 < rxr> beside as much money as bill gates ... ?
18:50 < rxr> well - documentation about some chips would be nice
18:50 < madtux> yea
18:50 < rxr> or a octane that is a bit more stable then mine. ...
18:50 < madtux> i see
18:51 < madtux> maybe we could try to find some sort of sponsorship for t2
18:51 < mnemoc> :)
18:51 < madtux> let me finish my lunch then i will call maddog and see if he can give us a hand
18:52 < madtux> sounds fair?
18:53 < rxr> yep - nice
18:53 < mnemoc> ack :)
18:54 < madtux> now i need a good "begging speech: suggestions? what are we exactly going to do with the box? what are we looking forward to get?
18:55 < mnemoc> making it rule, using bleeding edge linux technology
18:55 < madtux> tell me more
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18:55 < madtux> to be as rich as gates u need to learn to talk like him :)
18:56 < madtux> or get his skills of talk :)
18:56 < madtux> good day demian
18:56 < madtux> nice to see u here... yet again
18:56 < demian> same for u madtux
18:56 < mnemoc> wb demian
18:56 < rxr> madtux: improve our mips ports
18:56 < rxr> making sure exotic platforms and 64bit whatever builds
18:56 < demian> thnkx mnemoc
18:56 < rxr> keeping those sgi boxes supported with modern software ...
18:56 < rxr> if sgi wants to hand us ia64 we would of course also support their recent boxers ...
18:57 < rxr> best used by you guys there - so you have some more exotic and fast hardware to build on ,-)
18:58 < madtux> do i get a t2 tshirt and coffee mug if i make it happen? *grin*
18:58 < rxr> madtux: yes - thru suan I get contacts to print t-shirt el-cheapo in china ....
18:58 < madtux> :P
18:58 < rxr> is that what we want ?
18:58 < madtux> i am just kidding though
18:58 < rxr> susan even ...
18:59 * rxr mainly on the other screen on the sgi right now
18:59 < madtux> but hey pr stuff would be good indded
19:00 < mnemoc> we need a good logo or mascot first: :p
19:01 < rxr> +
19:01 < demian> could i be the mascot :) ?
19:01 < mnemoc> ^_^
19:02 < madtux> demian, maybe.
19:02 < mnemoc> are you sweet, sexy or funny?
19:02 < madtux> mnemoc, perhaps u want to go and find it out urself?
19:02 < demian> freak ?
19:03 < mnemoc> do you have any meaning?
19:03 < madtux> mnemoc, he was my first rocklinux aprentice
19:03 < madtux> does that count?
19:03 < mnemoc> madtux: plane tickets, food and hotel payed? sure.
19:04 < madtux> food and lodging are payed.
19:04 < mnemoc> madtux: how was the other thing named? the rock-wannabe?
19:04 < madtux> rock-wannabe?
19:04 < demian> i am cheap.
19:04 * madtux .oO( Perra barata )
19:04 < demian> i just need a bed, soem girls, beer and a laptop.
19:04 < mnemoc> we need a mascot, not an slut
19:04 < demian> jaja.
19:05 < demian> u are undervalueing me.
19:05 < madtux> u did it urself.
19:05 < mnemoc> madtux: the dbk like rock you both where writting some years ago
19:05 < mnemoc> were*
19:05 < madtux> hdw?
19:06 < mnemoc> yes
19:06 < demian> dbk?
19:06 < madtux> that was fun
19:06 < demian> and that was all btw..
19:06 < madtux> demian, distribution build kit
19:07 < demian> have u seen hackbard again madtux ?
19:07 < madtux> mnemoc, i quitted hdw long ago... demian stayed longer... i have no idea if wether they continued the work or not
19:07 < demian> i ll plan a visit right now..
19:07 < madtux> demian, not in the past 6 months
19:07 < madtux> mm.. good idea
19:07 < madtux> i'll join
19:07 < demian> he es afk.
19:07 < madtux> bah... they i won't go.
19:07 < mnemoc> how can a geek be afk 6 months?
19:08 < demian> he has a girlfriend.
19:08 < madtux> hehe
19:08 < demian> that's the reason
19:08 < madtux> mnemoc, he was also a rock dev years ago
19:08 < mnemoc> yep, i remember something
19:08 < madtux> no u don't.
19:09 < mnemoc> i read RLML before joining :)
19:09 < demian> :)
19:10 < demian> gonna have a lunch.
19:12 < rxr> hm - morfoh's cell still has just the mailbox ...
19:14 < madtux> no u didn't
19:14 < madtux> rxr, perhaps u want to try a 3D visit to his flat?
19:17 < rxr> he has a real-time vr of his flat ?
19:17 < mnemoc> he mean 'in person'
19:17 * rxr feared that ...
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19:19 < geekitus> hi
19:20 < geekitus> rxr, are you here ?
19:21 < Xenos> geekitus: hello ;)
19:21 < geekitus> i have a litle problem with hotplug++ ...
19:22 < madtux> :)
19:23 < rxr> geekitus: yes
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19:23 < geekitus> just to have an info :
19:23 < geekitus> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
19:23 < geekitus> LEAVING ./etc ...
19:23 < geekitus> DEP isapnp-match.d
19:23 < geekitus> CXX isapnp-match.o
19:23 < geekitus> In file included from isapnp-match.hh:6,
19:23 < geekitus> from isapnp-match.cc:12:
19:23 < geekitus> /usr/include/linux/isapnp.h:26:23: error: linux/pnp.h: No such file or directory
19:23 < geekitus> make: *** [isapnp-match.o] Error 1
19:23 < geekitus> any idea ?
19:24 < geekitus> i wanto to do a package of hotplug++ for the archlinux distrib
19:24 < rxr> oehm
19:24 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/linux-header:linux-header: usr/include/linux/pnp.h
19:24 < rxr> do you have linux headers?
19:25 < mnemoc> his "archlinux distrib" seems to lack of it
19:25 < geekitus> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13-ARCH/include/linux/pnp.h
19:26 < mnemoc> -I/usr/src/linux-2.6.13-ARCH/include/
19:26 < demian> search for it and proper symlinks at /usr/include/linux
19:27 < mnemoc> linux headers should not be symlinked to kernel source
19:27 < demian> when that changed ?
19:28 < mnemoc> ?
19:28 < geekitus> no /usr/include/linux/pnp.h , only /usr/src/linux-2.6.13-ARCH/include/linux/pnp.h for the file pnp.h on my /
19:28 < mnemoc> geekitus: fix archlinux's linux headers package :)
19:29 < geekitus> ok
19:29 < mnemoc> demian: linux-header shall reflect the kernel used to build your libc
19:30 < demian> maybe.. i always used to do symlinks.. my costume.
19:30 < madtux> demian, u are not supposed to use symlinks for the linux-headers
19:31 < madtux> its a dirty "hack"
19:31 < mnemoc> and harmfull
19:31 < madtux> and ugly
19:31 < mnemoc> as demian
19:31 < demian> and saves disk space when u know what u do.
19:31 < madtux> yeah d3bian... what were u thiking?
19:31 < mnemoc> demian: rm -rf /usr/src/linux-* saves more space
19:32 < madtux> ack
19:32 < demian> :-/
19:32 < madtux> mnemoc, you know he will end up hating us right?
19:32 < demian> ok ok. i feel like a dog now.
19:33 < demian> someone else want to gimme another kick ?
19:33 < madtux> demian, no need to feel like that... its actually good to learn how to make things in a better way, don;t u think?
19:33 * mnemoc kicks demian on the back
19:34 < demian> mnemoc: u already had ur turn.. give someone else the chance..
19:34 * madtux hits demian's head with a base-bat... then pokes his eyes with a stick
19:34 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:34 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: your turn
19:34 < _Ragnar_> what's a base-bat?
19:34 < madtux> baseball bat*
19:34 < _Ragnar_> :)
19:34 < demian> so _Ragnar_ ?
19:35 < madtux> damn i am such a nice guys.
19:35 < madtux> guy*
19:35 < demian> this beatiful ass is waiting..
19:35 < _Ragnar_> O_O
19:35 * _Ragnar_ hump it :)
19:35 < madtux> demian, u do really realize that only ur mother thiongs is beautifull right?
19:36 < madtux> also ... offering your ass in a logged public chan might not be such a good idea
19:36 < demian> :-/
19:36 < madtux> specially after some minutes of saying that u were .. "cheap"
19:36 < _Ragnar_> *loool*
19:36 < madtux> could be misunderstood.
19:36 < demian> u are the one missundertansing..!
19:37 < mnemoc> what could be misunderstood? everything has been very explicit
19:37 < madtux> ok ok ... perhaps i have kind of a messed up head also.
19:37 < madtux> then again mnemoc is right.
19:38 * demian goes back to his chair thinking how devaluated he was..
19:39 < demian> really. got to work! bye
19:40 < mnemoc> back to the dark streets?
19:45 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:46 < _Ragnar_> you're so mean :)
19:47 < mnemoc> *g*
19:50 < madtux> yeah u guys are evil
19:51 < mnemoc> starting by _Ragnar_
19:51 < mnemoc> he is the worse
19:51 < mnemoc> worst*
19:51 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:53 < karasz> re hi
19:54 < _Ragnar_> re
19:57 < madtux> _Ragnar_, now that i think about it.. how does mnemoc know demian works on the dark streets?... I think mnemoc might actually be hiding a little secret from us.
19:57 < madtux> wb karasz
19:58 * _Ragnar_ renames mnemoc to mnemocpimp
19:59 < mnemoc> o.o
19:59 < madtux> he could have also been a customer u know.
19:59 < mnemoc> sparc-kly is the only pimp here
19:59 < madtux> and i guess dening that he is a pimp is an indirect way to affirm the customer part
19:59 < mnemoc> aka spanking-kly
20:00 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr*
20:00 < mnemoc> madtux: :)
20:00 < sparc-kly> wtf
20:00 < mnemoc> madtux: he has to live of something, doesn't he?
20:00 < madtux> mnemoc, RUN
20:01 < mnemoc> this beatiful ass is waiting.. <--- spanking-kly has arrived :)
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20:01 < sparc-kly> lol
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20:01 < madtux> MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:02 < madtux> rxr, i can't get a hold of maddog, i think he might be traveling. i will email him.
20:05 < SerWou> hello madtux and mnemoc
20:05 < madtux> hi SerWou :)
20:06 < mnemoc> hi SerWou
20:06 < SerWou> how are you guys ?
20:07 < mnemoc> shocked
20:07 < SerWou> what's happening ?
20:07 < mnemoc> by demian and sparc-kly declarations
20:07 < _Ragnar_> hi SerWou :)
20:07 < SerWou> what are they declaring ?
20:07 < SerWou> hello _Ragnar_
20:07 < mnemoc> SerWou: read the backlog
20:07 < mnemoc> :)
20:08 < SerWou> Hard to follow ~ ;)
20:08 < mnemoc> last 40 minutes.... not too much
20:09 < SerWou> ;)
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20:18 < misl> hi folks
20:18 < mnemoc> hi misl
20:18 < misl> hey mnemoc :)
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20:29 < rxr> # diffstat frpatch.r280.v2.diff avision-scale.c | 1771 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ avision.c | 2462 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---------------- avision.h | 148 +++ 3 files changed, 3694 insertions(+), 687 deletions(-)
20:29 < rxr> well - merging is soo much fun ...
20:33 < mnemoc> bbl
20:36 < demian> wtf ?
20:36 < rxr> my scanner driver ...
20:38 < rxr> oh - there are 31 people on my scanner driver list ...
20:38 < rxr> ok - t2 has more - 42 ... ,-)
20:38 < rxr> puh
20:39 < rxr> though not bad my private sane-avision only list has so many people already - did not imagined that ,-)
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20:39 < rxr> one wrote my some seconds ago that he successfuly utilize my driver under OS/2 now ...
20:39 < rxr> ... scanning via USB
20:39 < rxr> there are things in the world one barely belives are still there ...
20:40 < rxr> anyway - /me soon off to collect2 my brother at the railway station
20:50 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CD033.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
20:50 < MisterN> hi
20:52 < madtux> hello.
20:53 < owl> hi madtux
20:53 < madtux> OWLITA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:53 < owl> MIGUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:54 < owl> how are you?
20:54 < karasz> re hi
20:55 < madtux> owl, really good now that u are here.
20:55 < owl> why? O_o
21:07 < madtux> well u make me feel good all the time.
21:10 < owl> sigh.
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22:06 < rxr> re
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22:06 < rxr> brother and dual-core-power-mac arriced ,-)
22:07 < mnemoc> greeting to your mac^Wbrother
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22:47 < mnemoc> have anything regarding setuid changed on 2.6?
22:55 < mnemoc> drwx--S---
22:55 < mnemoc> ^--- what the S means?
22:55 < Xenos> hmm..
22:56 < Xenos> mnemoc: what do u think about sylpheed?
22:56 < mnemoc> i know 's', but not 'S'
22:56 < mnemoc> good MUA
22:56 < Xenos> :)
22:56 < Xenos> firefox + sylpheed
22:56 < mnemoc> nah
22:56 < Xenos> ?
22:57 < geekitus> sylpheed-claws ?
22:57 < Xenos> mnemoc: what about u?
22:58 < mnemoc> thunderbird and mutt :)
22:58 < Xenos> mutt?
22:58 < mnemoc> next to irssi on my screen
22:58 < Xenos> mnemoc: but what about of browser?
22:59 < mnemoc> firefox and links :)
22:59 < Xenos> yeah
22:59 < Xenos> :>
23:00 < Xenos> muahah
23:00 < Xenos> The Mutt E-Mail Client
23:00 < Xenos> "All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less." -me, circa 1995
23:00 < Xenos> mutt.org
23:00 < Xenos> )
23:00 < geekitus> it's a MUA in console mode
23:01 < Xenos> yeah, i know
23:01 < mnemoc> sylpheed goes with epiphany :)
23:01 < Xenos> ?!
23:01 < Xenos> dunno
23:01 < Xenos> but
23:01 < demian> mnemoc: in which file are u seing an 'S' in permissions ?
23:01 < mnemoc> if you have resources for firefix, you have resources for thunderbird
23:01 < mnemoc> demian: a folder
23:02 < Xenos> sylpheed is very light/fast & good-looking with it's gtk2-interface..
23:02 < Xenos> *its
23:02 * Xenos hates any gnome/kde libs
23:02 < Xenos> ;>
23:02 < Xenos> =>
23:02 * Xenos hates epiphany
23:03 < mnemoc> :)
23:03 < Xenos> :)
23:03 < mnemoc> links -g :)
23:03 < Xenos> mbmb..
23:03 < Xenos> but my choice is fx
23:03 < Xenos> ;)
23:03 < Xenos> fx = firefox
23:03 < mnemoc> in that case, why not thunderbird?
23:03 < Xenos> too big :/
23:03 < mnemoc> drwx--S--- 2 Gqscanq root 72 Dec 1 18:47 /var/qmail/qscanq/root/scanq/
23:04 < mnemoc> -rwsr-xr-x 1 Gqscanq root 13K Dec 1 14:12 /package/mail/qscanq-0.43/command/qscanq*
23:04 < mnemoc> 25839 execve("/package/mail/qscanq-0.43/command/qscanq", ["/package/mail/qscanq-0.43/comman"...],....
23:04 < mnemoc> 25839 chdir("/var/qmail/qscanq/root/scanq") = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
23:04 < Xenos> sylpheed--2.0.4.0.tar.bz2 2282 KB 11/30/2005 11:30:00 AM
23:04 < Xenos> gigi
23:04 < Xenos> my ftp place :>
23:05 < mnemoc> ^---- does anyone see the problem?
23:05 * Xenos dunno
23:05 < Xenos> it's a first time i see it
23:06 < demian> mnemoc: maybe the sticky bit for a combination of group,other,user permissions. is it a /tmp dir ?
23:06 < mnemoc> demian: see what i pasted 5 lines above
23:06 < demian> ive seen that before in /var/spool/mail or somewhere around.
23:09 < demian> ask dan bernstein
23:09 < mnemoc> :)
23:09 < mnemoc> does are +t
23:09 < mnemoc> this +S is odd
23:09 < mnemoc> those are +t*
23:10 < demian> +t means that although one has write access, just the owner might delete this file.
23:10 < mnemoc> sure, but the 'S'?
23:10 < demian> but +S.. i read that somewhere.. dunt remember
23:10 < mnemoc> 's' is setuid setgid
23:10 < demian> yes.
23:14 < demian> as i though:
23:14 < demian> S appears when sgid is set, but group execute is not set.
23:14 < mnemoc> meaning 'broken sgid'?
23:15 < demian> 's' appears when both group execute and suid are set
23:15 < demian> bug depending where it is placed..
23:15 < demian> drwx--S---
23:15 < demian> ur case..
23:15 < mnemoc> Gqscanq:root
23:16 < demian> this means owner read, write, execute; and sgid set, bug no 'x' for group (not execute)
23:16 < mnemoc> but in practice?
23:16 < mnemoc> -x on a folder mean 'no view'
23:18 < demian> so no dir view for group
23:18 < mnemoc> :)
23:18 < demian> it's strange. but i think it could eb useful when u know the location of a setgid file u want to be executed by a member of ur group
23:20 < demian> talking about sth else.. any vulnerability found in qmail?
23:20 < mnemoc> afaik no
23:21 < demian> i have 4 months without check for bugs.. never had that need.
23:21 < demian> it's a different sensation, u have not to check for bugs constantly, as if u had sendmail.
23:22 < mnemoc> if you use vpopmail you have to review anyway :)
23:22 < mnemoc> i'm trying to change qmail-scanner with qscanq.... but it has been quite difficult
23:23 < mnemoc> The setgid bit, 's' or 'S' if there is no corresponding group 'x' bit, influences the creation of new files in the directory. New files are created with their group ID set to that of the directory; the same is true of new directories but in addition they have the setgid bit set. (Not all systems do this.)
23:23 < demian> dunno. i just used a toaster, made small changes to fit my needs, and never got deep inside to change sth else.
23:25 < karasz> hmmm mut
23:25 < karasz> ok mut is the best mail client
23:26 < karasz> but then what is the best mail client with GUI?
23:26 < karasz> thunderbird kinda lets me down...
23:26 < mnemoc> outlook express
23:26 * Xenos pokes karasz
23:26 < Xenos> :)
23:27 < Xenos> hello
23:27 < Xenos> :karasz : but then what is the best mail client with GUI? -< sylpheed
23:27 < Xenos> *<-
23:27 < Xenos> :)
23:27 * karasz wonders why he is gettin' poked
23:27 < Xenos> )
23:27 < mnemoc> sylpheed reminds me eudora
23:27 < demian> i consider thunderbird, of what ive tried i chose that one.
23:27 < karasz> mnemoc: i grew out of it
23:27 < karasz> ;)
23:28 < Xenos> :)
23:28 -!- geekitus_ [n=geekitus@ARennes-251-1-101-170.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #t2
23:28 < karasz> aren't you acid today....
23:28 < mnemoc> who?
23:28 < karasz> let's see...
23:29 < karasz> i dunno but sounds like a guy from south america
23:29 < mnemoc> keinek?
23:29 < karasz> maybe ;)
23:29 < mnemoc> :)
23:29 * demian is from central america fortunately
23:29 < karasz> although i don't think so
23:29 < mnemoc> yes, he is
23:29 < mnemoc> .cr
23:30 < mnemoc> *g*
23:30 < demian> madtux too.
23:30 * karasz thinks that mnemoc is found of reminding him that he is compelled to use that other SO
23:30 < Xenos> rxr: here?
23:31 < MisterN> n8
23:31 * karasz has another 3 weeks before he can switch
23:31 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CCD5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Wieso gibt es keine guten Quitmessages? Jaja, diese ist auch doof."]
23:32 * mnemoc wonders why we don't have claws
23:32 < mnemoc> karasz: ?
23:32 * karasz wonders what is the use for claws...
23:33 < karasz> mnemoc: ?
23:33 < karasz> what do you want claws for?
23:33 < mnemoc> MUA?
23:34 -!- geekitus_ [n=geekitus@ARennes-251-1-101-170.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Leaving"]
23:34 < karasz> a bit slow but now i get it
23:34 < mnemoc> :)
23:35 < mnemoc> i'm the slow here
23:35 < mnemoc> i didn't relate 'claws' with "aren't you acid today"
23:35 < karasz> i did...
23:36 < mnemoc> :)
23:36 < Xenos> hmm
23:36 * Xenos found a nice ircbot
23:36 < Xenos> :>
23:36 * karasz is reliefed, was imaginig mnemoc with claws
23:36 < mnemoc> o.o
23:36 < demian> Xenos: which ?
23:37 * karasz was imagining mnemoc using claws for god knows what
23:37 < Xenos> erm..
23:37 < karasz> :D
23:37 < Xenos> bobotpp
23:37 * mnemoc likes supybot
23:37 -!- geekitus [n=geekitus@ARennes-251-1-29-216.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Connection timed out]
23:37 < demian> i used an eggdrop several yrs ago..
23:37 < Xenos> :/
23:37 < Xenos> supybot?
23:37 < Xenos> hm
23:37 < mnemoc> demian: same did i, about 10 years ago :p
23:37 < demian> hehe. they were funny.
23:38 < demian> it would be nice to get one at #bookwarez nowadays
23:38 < Xenos> argh..
23:38 < Xenos> Supybot is a cross-platform IRC bot written in Python, known to run anywhere Python runs, which includes all *nices, and Windows.
23:38 * Xenos hates python..
23:38 < Xenos> :/
23:38 < mnemoc> i'm developing in python now :)
23:39 < Xenos> :)
23:39 < demian> im developing in c# now..
23:39 < Xenos> & i'm developing in php now..
23:39 < Xenos> ))
23:39 < mnemoc> C# is better than java....
23:39 < Xenos> :)
23:39 < mnemoc> php is a discusting fat cow
23:39 < demian> i think so.
23:39 < Xenos> mnemoc: then c++
23:39 < Xenos> :)
23:40 < demian> mnemoc: have u seen the language enhancements prepared for C# 3.0?
23:40 < mnemoc> nope, i'll keep python :p
23:40 < Xenos> :>
23:41 < demian> xml integration, a lot of generic engeenering behind, database access incorporated in the language itself.
23:41 < mnemoc> bloat
23:42 < demian> got to go. bye
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23:45 < mnemoc> strace bastard!
23:45 < mnemoc> strace was voiding setuid
23:46 * mnemoc slaps strace
23:46 * mnemoc slaps strace again
23:55 < rxr> - 23:55 < karasz> hi rxr
23:56 < mnemoc> wb rxr
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