--- Log opened Fri Dec 16 00:00:12 2005 00:14 < CIA-9> rene * r13899 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_install.sh: 00:14 < CIA-9> * converted most parts of stone_mod_install to use old-style device 00:14 < CIA-9> naming for u/dev installations, scan any filesystem for availability 00:14 < CIA-9> (work in progress, only basically tested) 00:14 < rxr> 680 builds total, 243 completed fine, 0 with errors. 00:17 < rxr> Filename Type Size Used Priority 00:17 < rxr> /dev/hda1\040(deleted) partition 265032 93600 -1 00:17 < rxr> ^- doesn't look too normal ... 00:18 < rxr> swapoff -a ; swapon -a cured it though 00:25 < CIA-9> rene * r13900 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_install.sh: * further fixed stone_mod_installer 00:25 < rxr> oh - r14000 this weekend ,-) 00:26 < rxr> rock is @r6744 00:26 < _Ragnar__> =) kewl 00:28 < rxr> I could commit every X11R7-final package in a single chunk if I would be evil ,-) 00:28 < rxr> but I guess image creation changes will be enough 00:29 < rxr> _Ragnar__: btw, what I wonder all the time, do you use t2 in production or just for your personal needs? 00:29 < _Ragnar__> both 00:29 < _Ragnar__> =) 00:30 < _Ragnar__> company firewall runs t2/uclibc (but I might switch that back to glibc again) fileserver runs t2, my workplace desktop and my laptop;) 00:36 < rxr> nice to hear ,-) 00:36 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.251.145] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:36 < rxr> why do yo consider switching back to uclibc ? 00:36 < jsaw> g'night all 00:37 < rxr> n8 jsaw 00:37 * rxr soon off as well 00:43 < rxr> (clifford) reminder to myself: "svn mv" openldap to base repository 00:43 < rxr> .oO 00:43 < rxr> maybe soon they mv x{free86,org} into base as well ,-) 01:00 < _Ragnar__> rxr: from uclibc ...it's just a hassle to fix stuff 01:03 < rxr> doesn't most stuff just built? 01:03 < rxr> didn't even ... 01:06 < rxr> n8 allk 01:06 < rxr> -k 01:12 < _Ragnar__> nini 01:12 < _Ragnar__> bin auch im bett 01:13 < _Ragnar__> gn8 01:37 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178159051.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 01:37 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-) 01:37 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005] 01:37 [Users #t2] 01:37 [@ChanServ ] [ CIA-9 ] [ kristian] [ mtr] [ rxr ] [ tschmidt_] 01:37 [ _Ragnar__] [ demian] [ LMJ ] [ ojh] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin ] 01:37 [ Baldzius ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ owl] [ sepp_] [ Xenos ] 01:37 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 01:37 -!- [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). 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Thanks! 01:37 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 01:38 < mnemoc> rehi 01:38 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 01:39 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178178242.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:41 -!- tschmidt_ [n=tschmidt@p54AFE654.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:53 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.251.145] has joined #t2 03:41 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.203.185.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 03:57 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.203.110.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:28 -!- ojh [n=omer@71-34-235-5.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 05:38 < CIA-9> amery * r13901 /trunk/package/graphic/asymptote/asymptote.desc: * updated asymptote (0.95 -> 0.97) 05:50 * Xenos is back (gone 07:06:05) 06:59 -!- axion_ [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 06:59 -!- axion_ [n=axion@cpe-24-195-94-82.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 09:20 < kristian> hmm, just found out, that eclipse is not a tool of choice when coding in c. 09:20 * kristian falls back to emacs again 09:20 * kristian wants usable offline crossreference 09:28 < rxr_> re 09:28 -!- You're now known as rxr 09:30 < kristian> re rxr 09:30 < kristian> rxr what is your development environment of choice? 09:38 < owl> moin 09:40 < rxr> depends what is handy, any not too insane ASCII editor is usually fine, for longer stuff xemacs, but it is gettin on my nerves for some time now and I have writing a really modern editor architecture on my TODO, somewhere, in the 4MB file that is ... 09:42 < kristian> rxr here the same. anjuta is just not developing. last release half a year ago, busy mailinglist but the cvs is nearly unusable since dependencies are strange. 09:42 < kristian> kdevelop ist kde. :( 09:42 < kristian> bl 09:44 < rxr> well - kdevelop is kde is a big ;-) 09:44 -!- geekitus__ [n=geekitus@d213-103-18-17.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #t2 09:45 < rxr> or are you one of those strange people that use s.th. like this borked gnome wanna be desktop environments 09:45 < CIA-9> rene * r13902 /trunk/package/x11/fox/fox.desc: * updated fox (1.4.22 -> 1.4.27) 09:46 < CIA-9> rene * r13903 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (2.14 -> 2.17) 09:46 < _Ragnar__> oh rene who made those geode things again? 09:47 < CIA-9> rene * r13904 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1) 09:47 < _Ragnar__> that you tested 09:47 < rxr> the ones we utilize dt-research.com 09:47 < rxr> http://www.dt-research.com/ 09:49 < _Ragnar__> thanks ;) that looks neat 09:51 < _Ragnar__> what do they sell for? 09:56 < geekitus__> hi 09:57 < rxr> _Ragnar__: price? 3xx EUR I think 09:58 < _Ragnar__> ah ok 09:58 < _Ragnar__> they don't seem to have it in their shop 09:59 -!- Baldzius_ [n=baldzius@85.206.96.135] has joined #t2 10:02 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.98.144] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:22 < LMJ> good morning 10:24 < rxr> moin LMJ 10:25 < LMJ> how are you today ? 10:30 < rxr> fine, thanks - you too? 10:32 < LMJ> yep 10:32 < LMJ> html design time today :-/ 10:32 < LMJ> but it's for money :-) 10:41 < valentin> moin 10:44 < valentin> i wonder if i should reply to this proffessor bowman and complain that font-rendering in asymptote is sooo slow... 10:44 < rxr> valentin: hehe - feel free to 10:44 < valentin> s/proffessor/professor 10:48 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/asymptote.html 10:48 < rxr> fixed 10:49 < LMJ> hello valentin 10:49 < rxr> mnemoc: CLIP 1.1.15 10:50 < valentin> hi LMJ 10:50 < LMJ> <-- SerWou here ;) 10:53 < LMJ> rxr : i would like to report a compilation problem with xpdf 3.01pl1 for 2.1 stable (I know it's not on stable mode yet) http://pastebin.com/466427 10:53 < LMJ> maybe i forgot to update dependancies .conf or so ? 10:55 < rxr> LMJ: you have patches in your xpdf dir that do not belong there ... 10:55 < rxr> also we split xpdf and t1lib in trunk 10:55 < rxr> thus you need to grab both folders, t1lib and xpdf and build both 10:55 < rxr> rm -rf xpdf and grabbing the trunk directories should just build 10:56 < LMJ> let me try again 10:58 < valentin> yuck - explosion in a russian nuclear reactor ?!!??! 10:58 < LMJ> no, just near one 10:59 < LMJ> at least, what they said 10:59 < valentin> well, at least not in the reactor itself 10:59 < valentin> so no chernobyl II 10:59 < LMJ> no 10:59 < LMJ> no yet 11:00 < LMJ> we are missing of extra radiations since a couple of years, isn't it ? :-/ 11:01 < rxr> valentin: what the hell ? 11:01 < valentin> LMJ: well, i remember what they told in 1986. "Just a normal fire outside the reactor, no radiation" 11:02 < LMJ> look the good side, soon, Opensource coders will have 3 arms to code faster 11:02 < rxr> Innenminister Wolfgang Sch?uble will Informationen nutzen, die durch Folter erpresst worden sind. Nur selber foltern sollten deutsche Sicherheitsbeh?rden auf keinen Fall. mehr... 11:02 < rxr> ? CNN: Topterrorist Sarkawi festgenommen - und freigelassen 11:02 < rxr> ? Anti-Folter-Gesetz: Bush gibt Widerstand auf 11:02 < rxr> ? Wahl im Irak: Erste Ergebnisse in zwei Wochen 11:02 < rxr> ? Al-Qaida: Anschlag in Stockholm? 11:02 < rxr> oops 11:02 < rxr> damned 11:02 < LMJ> lol 11:03 < valentin> cnn.com does not have the news either, but tagesschau has 11:03 < valentin> i try to search for an english article 11:05 < rxr> we could fly people into the US for death penalty, just ourself we should not kill people or what? 11:06 < rxr> damend C{D,S}U blockheads ... 11:06 < rxr> i would vote for to test this on some of those C{D,S}U first - the world would be a better place after all 11:07 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFFBC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 11:08 < valentin> "Betroffen sei eine Anlage zum Einschmelzen radioaktiv verstrahlter Metalle aus dem Leningradski-Atomkraftwerk" <- what the hell do they do with their nuclear waste ? melt it and produce tin cans ? 11:09 < rxr> yes, so they can throw compressed waste into the ocean ... 11:11 < nzg> moin 11:12 < nzg> valentin: the ecapsulate them in glass 11:12 < nzg> (at least i hope so) 11:23 < kristian> rxr actually i am. ;) - but ist sucks also 11:24 -!- geekitus__ is now known as geekitus 12:00 < valentin> hm ... should i stay or should i go now ? 12:02 -!- Baldzius_ is now known as Baldzius 12:02 < Baldzius> morning 12:33 < rxr> moin Baldzius 12:34 < Baldzius> hi rxr 12:42 < karasz> moin all 12:44 < valentin> re 12:49 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AF84BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 13:02 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AF877F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:18 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 13:19 < CIA-9> rene * r13905 /trunk/scripts/config.in: * added an option to choose the desired image output format 13:20 < CIA-9> rene * r13906 /trunk/target/bootdisk/ (11 files): 13:20 < CIA-9> * removed obsolete stuff and refactored bootdisk target in order 13:20 < CIA-9> to migrate to generic image creation 13:25 < CIA-9> rene * r13907 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 13:25 < CIA-9> * renamed target/bootdisk to target/install and changed the default for 13:25 < CIA-9> the output image option 13:27 < rxr> 14572 root 18 0 466m 326m 276 D 0.3 75.6 3:52.26 cc1plus 13:28 < rxr> the poor subnotebook's memory is quite saturated, swapping a lot :-( 13:28 < rxr> - Target Distribution 13:28 < rxr> (desktop) Desktop System 13:28 < rxr> (install) Install CD / disks 13:30 < rxr> altarnative choice so far: (livecd) Live CD 13:30 < CIA-9> rene * r13908 /trunk/target/livecd/preconfig.in: 13:30 < CIA-9> * changed the livecd to register itself as image output rather than a 13:30 < CIA-9> target 13:35 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:43 -!- geekitus [n=geekitus@sourcemage/guru/geekitus] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:58 < CIA-9> rene * r13909 /trunk/target/livecd/ (build.sh build_image.sh build_initrd.sh build_stage1.sh): 13:58 < CIA-9> * ported livecd to new target independant image creation 13:58 < CIA-9> * removed long obsolute, rock inherited livecd/build_stage1.sh 13:59 < rxr> Ineed more ram for my subnotebook ,-) 13:59 < rxr> 512 - unified graphic memory are too less for exessive t2 builds on that 64bit number cruncher ... 13:59 < rxr> constantly swapping on --enable-final'ized kde packages ... 13:59 < rxr> Mem: 442056 437248 4808 0 1912 20668 13:59 < rxr> -/+ buffers/cache: 414668 27388 13:59 < rxr> Swap: 498004 328392 169612 14:02 < CIA-9> rene * r13910 /trunk/target/install/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 14:02 < CIA-9> * removed install/download.txt and moved the shutdown helper into a 14:02 < CIA-9> new-style rootfs overlay 14:21 < CIA-9> rene * r13911 /trunk/target/livecd/ (build.sh init): 14:21 < CIA-9> * added ide-generic to the forced modules of the livecd init so that 14:21 < CIA-9> at least old PIO IDE fallback works if no driver for the chipset 14:21 < CIA-9> is available 14:21 < CIA-9> * removed pkglook from livecd/build.sh, not needed as image backend 14:21 < CIA-9> anymore 14:37 * kristian hs to sign his non disclosure and invention / patent assignment agreement until monday. - what the fuck! 14:39 < kristian> am I supposed to change some points there? - frankly it says that every thing that comes into my mind is property of the company. 14:40 < rxr> kristian: have fun 14:41 < kristian> yeah... ;( 14:42 < rxr> how did you came to that company? 14:42 < rxr> btw. you can not disclose the name? 14:43 < kristian> empower technologie - I have not subscribed jet. ;-) 14:45 < kristian> when i came to shanghai i was searching the local job offers of it companies. I wrote like 30 applications and send my cv to most of them. 14:45 < rxr> are you in shanghai right now ? 14:45 < kristian> yes 14:46 < rxr> aha 14:46 < kristian> actually in nan fang city at the lian hua lu. ;-) 14:48 * rxr hopeing kristian is pushing t2 over there ... 14:48 < rxr> though I fear you are too much a debian instable user or so ... 14:48 < kristian> we are working at omap 5910 devices and have to use linux-2.6.12.2-omap1 as the headquarter wants it... - really strange - as my job is mostly to backport the patches. (i kind of picked this way since i did not want do port all the strange 2.4 drivers to 2.6) 14:49 < kristian> rxr as soon as i've found a sutable development environment i will ask them to uninstall my chinesse windows 14:49 < rxr> urghs 14:51 < kristian> we have a really nice win32 ide which has kross reference and i dont want to miss that navigating through the kernel 14:52 < rxr> you tell me you a) really click thru windows and b) edit linux kernel source under this DOS ? 14:52 < rxr> the poor kernel 14:52 < kristian> you do stange things if you have to. 14:52 < kristian> i found virtual desktops for win32 14:52 < kristian> so i dont need no mouse 14:53 < kristian> and putty in fullscreen is antialiased if you pick the right font 14:54 < kristian> but, I cant read what I am writing here so i'll stop it 14:54 < rxr> ? 14:54 < rxr> kristian: have you finished your diplom ? 14:55 < kristian> no i still need one semester and than the diploma thesis 14:56 < kristian> rxr if this company starts changing, when i ask them to. maybe I can write the thesis in canada at the headquarter - or lead a tem here in shanghai for the diploma theme 14:57 < kristian> maybe, just an idea 14:59 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has joined #t2 14:59 < madtux> hi 14:59 < rxr> moin miguel! 15:00 < kristian> hi madtux 15:00 [Users #t2] 15:00 [@ChanServ ] [ demian ] [ LMJ ] [ nzg ] [ sparc-kly] 15:00 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw ] [ madtux] [ owl ] [ valentin ] 15:00 [ Baldzius ] [ karasz ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ VX ] 15:00 [ CIA-9 ] [ kristian] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp] 15:00 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 15:01 < madtux> hello :) 15:04 -!- root_ [n=root@e178159051.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 15:04 < LMJ> Hello madtux 15:04 -!- root_ [n=root@e178159051.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #t2 [] 15:19 < rxr> moin mnemoc 15:20 < valentin> who is root at alicedsl ? 15:20 < valentin> is that you rxr ? 15:21 < rxr> psst 15:22 < jsaw> because P2P software (...) constitutes as substantial security risk its use and installation within the institute is forbidden (...) 15:22 < jsaw> .oO(?) 15:22 < rxr> ? 15:22 < rxr> hi jsaw 15:22 < jsaw> hi rxr 15:22 < LMJ> aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh 15:22 < valentin> jsaw: legal security risk ;) 15:23 < LMJ> WTF samba is installed with LDAP 15:23 < jsaw> valentin,rxr: that's so stupid. why not recommend to de-install Windows... gah 15:24 < valentin> rxr: i have a patent idea: a keyboard with numberblock, direction and function keys on the left side of the character block 15:24 < valentin> so one can place the mouse to the right 15:24 < mnemoc> moin! 15:25 < rxr> 15:19 < rxr> moin mnemoc 15:25 < valentin> moin mnemoc 15:25 < mnemoc> moin rxr,valentin, jsaw, serwou 15:25 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 15:25 < LMJ> hello mnemoc and jsaw 15:25 < jsaw> hi LMJ 15:25 < mnemoc> LMJ: samba has ldap support _if_ openldap was there on build time 15:26 < jsaw> and I'm using it ;) 15:26 < LMJ> why it download openldap in that case ? 15:26 < mnemoc> LMJ: Emerge use all the deps found during reference build 15:27 < LMJ> so -nodeps ? 15:27 < mnemoc> LMJ: that's why i'm against it :) 15:27 < mnemoc> -deps=none 15:27 < LMJ> yes 15:27 < LMJ> i forget the good command 15:27 < LMJ> that's impossible 15:27 < mnemoc> what? 15:27 < LMJ> you're right mnemoc ;) 15:28 < LMJ> gonna mine -rf samba 15:28 < CIA-9> aldas * r13912 /trunk/package/network/ipsec-tools/compile-fix.patch: * removed ipsec-tools/compile-fix.patch <- obsolete 15:30 < LMJ> maybe an option in ./scripts/Config for samba, to valid or not important deps like ldap or not 15:31 < mnemoc> LMJ: not possible 15:31 < LMJ> ok 15:32 < mnemoc> LMJ: restricting them is target responsability, if your target provides openldap. it will be used 15:32 < LMJ> ha yes 15:32 < LMJ> mine -rf openldap too in my case without re-emerge it 15:32 < LMJ> before** 15:32 < mnemoc> you could pkgsel '- openldap' on the config you are using to Emerge to remove it 15:33 < mnemoc> in that case openldap wont be on config/${config:-default/packages, so wont be used 15:33 < mnemoc> because it doesn't exist 15:33 < LMJ> i could do that if i was doing a target t2 i guess 15:33 < mnemoc> s/doesn't/won't/ 15:33 < mnemoc> or config's pkgsel 15:34 < mnemoc> but if you don't adjust your build, you will get a generic 15:35 < LMJ> - openldap put in pkgsel will never compile openldap when it's in the dependencies list ? 15:37 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.251.145] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:37 < mnemoc> - openldap will remove openldap from the universe 15:38 < mnemoc> O openldap will just disable it, but Emerge-Pkg will see it 15:38 < rxr> though we'll adapt Emerge heursitic to be a bit more inteligent soon 15:38 < CIA-9> aldas * r13913 /trunk/package/database/mysql/mysql.desc: * updated mysql (4.1.15 -> 4.1.16) 15:39 < rxr> and trunk will sooner than later get marks what are optional deps and such - so Emerge-Pkg will have fine grained knowledge and expose control what to build 15:39 < mnemoc> rxr: the only we can do is don't use O dependencies for X packages 15:39 < mnemoc> (X or installed) 15:39 < mnemoc> rxr: it's target's job to remove unwanted packages from the list 15:40 < LMJ> good idea rxr 15:41 < LMJ> i was thinking the same thing, there are optionnals and essentials deps 15:41 < mnemoc> LMJ: that's another issue 15:41 < mnemoc> LMJ: runtime/buildtime deps, mandatory/optional deps 15:41 < LMJ> maybe you can ask question with Yes/No during the emerge process 15:42 < LMJ> for samba you speak mnemoc ? 15:42 < mnemoc> rxr: what i want, and that fits your installcd/bootcd work, is to change [XO] with [XBO] X: built and packaged/installed, B: just built, O: ignored. 15:43 < mnemoc> LMJ: in general, because we currently only have one kind of deps 15:43 < LMJ> i see 15:43 < LMJ> i'm scared, this discution is out of my knowledge range :-D 15:44 < mnemoc> i think we could do a deps reporting system, and then detect what is 'always' there, and what is not there sometimes. and then 'flag' deps 15:45 < LMJ> since you are all here, gonna show you something who happned to me with the lastest xpdf 15:46 < mnemoc> 3.01pl1? 15:46 < demian> hi 15:46 < mnemoc> hi demian 15:46 < LMJ> http://pastebin.com/466616 15:46 < LMJ> yes mnemoc 15:46 < LMJ> trying to emerge it on my 2.1 stable 15:47 < mnemoc> from trunk, which has a different deps set 15:47 < mnemoc> due to modular X 15:47 < mnemoc> use xpdf from 2.1 on 2.1 15:47 < LMJ> so, i should wait 15:47 < mnemoc> and from trunk on 2.2 15:48 < mnemoc> xpdf 3.01pl1 _is_ on 2.1 15:48 < LMJ> ho 15:48 < LMJ> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/ 15:48 < LMJ> exact 15:49 < mnemoc> use _svn_! 15:49 < LMJ> to download the whole thing ? 15:49 < mnemoc> to have the working copy in sync 15:49 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1/package/graphic/xpdf/xpdf.desc 15:50 < LMJ> oups 15:50 < LMJ> i did a mistake 15:50 < LMJ> i paste the wrong link 15:50 < mnemoc> i noticed 15:53 < LMJ> i'm curious about apache 2.2 15:54 < LMJ> have you planned to update the .desc or there are some problems ? 15:54 < mnemoc> after T2 2.2 branch i guess 15:54 < LMJ> ok 15:54 < mnemoc> rxr: do you want apache 2.2 on t2 2.2? 15:55 < CIA-9> rene * r13914 /trunk/target/install/ (7 files): 15:55 < CIA-9> * renamed install/initrc* to init* (as in the livecd and saner) 15:55 < CIA-9> * mostly converted linuxrc.c to portable shell code (not complete 15:55 < CIA-9> set and mostly untested) 15:55 < CIA-9> * started to inject convert the install build and init scripts to 15:55 < rxr> mnemoc: noe yet 15:55 < CIA-9> work with u/dev and the latest trunk layout by injecting 15:55 < CIA-9> livecd code pieces 15:55 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not know yet if subversion works with the new apache# 15:55 < rxr> if it is suport to work "more or less" we could update - but I have not spotted a apache 2.2 mail on the subversion list 15:56 < rxr> maybe just wait some more week++ 15:56 < mnemoc> ack 15:56 < rxr> mnemoc: I think you'll love the next gen install code ... 15:56 < rxr> mnemoc: I guess I can remove uboot then ? 15:57 < rxr> not yet fully shell code but mostly ported some crap removed: 15:57 < rxr> linuxrc.c | 781 +++++++++++++++++++------------------------------------------- 15:57 < rxr> ^- shell vs. C code compression ratio ,-) 15:57 < mnemoc> rxr: sure, drop it 15:57 < LMJ> you planned a deadline for 2.2 ? 15:58 < mnemoc> beta for xmas 15:58 < CIA-9> rene * r13915 /trunk/target/uboot/: * removed uboot work-in-progress, since obsoleted by the install rewrite 15:58 < LMJ> who is Santa ? rxr or mnemoc .. ? 15:58 < mnemoc> rxr 15:58 < rxr> mnemoc: is the 2.1 santa ,-) 15:58 < LMJ> hehe 15:58 < mnemoc> :) 15:58 < mnemoc> 2.1.1 will be the gift for the poor guys 15:58 < rxr> 680 builds total, 480 completed fine, 2 with errors. 15:59 < mnemoc> rxr: similar results than mine? 15:59 < rxr> yep 15:59 < LMJ> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -deps=none samba <---- solved my problems after HOURS of troubles with samba setup :-@ 15:59 < CIA-9> rene * r13916 /branches/2.1/package/develop/librep/librep.conf: * fixed librep for some architectures such as x86-64 by using system libtool 16:02 < CIA-9> amery * r13917 /trunk/package/develop/clip/clip.desc: * updated clip (1.1.14-204 -> 1.1.15-1) 16:04 < LMJ> how you guys keep update of all packages ? did you suscribe to ALL mailing-list project you are maintaining ? 16:05 < rxr> LMJ: in the past we run a checker over our files 16:05 < rxr> LMJ: sine months we do this automatically on a server and have a t2-updates mailing list that get's the output ... 16:06 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/contact.html 16:06 < mnemoc> LMJ: but a good maintainer is suscripted to most ML of his packages 16:06 < rxr> mnemoc: what would be 800 for me ? 16:06 < mnemoc> LMJ: because not everything is 'updates' 16:06 < mnemoc> rxr: the important ones :) 16:06 < mnemoc> rxr: about 60 for me :\ 16:06 < LMJ> haha 16:07 < rxr> LMJ: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel/1578 16:07 < rxr> ^- santa clause mail ,-) 16:07 < LMJ> HO HO HO 16:07 < LMJ> ^--- Santa laugh 16:07 < rxr> LMJ: due to the nice data layout of T2 .desc files updates are mostly automated / tiny cut'n paste work ... 16:08 < LMJ> ok rxr 16:08 < LMJ> lot of data to maintain 16:09 < LMJ> so, each time you add a package, you have to follow updates and do them, check if it compile, etc... 16:09 < rxr> must be a hole my cup - coffee disappearing soo quickly ... 16:09 < LMJ> lol 16:10 < LMJ> that's an empiric work 16:10 < LMJ> but i think it's the only way 16:12 < CIA-9> rene * r13918 /trunk/target/generic/build.sh: 16:12 < CIA-9> * added evaluation of the output image backend selected to the 16:12 < CIA-9> generic/build.sh 16:14 < rxr> mnemoc: when would you tag 2.1.1? x-mas present ? 16:16 < mnemoc> tag? right after you make desktop build flawless on x86-64 :) 16:16 < mnemoc> announcement can be x-mas present :) 16:17 < rxr> mnemoc: is this mono on stable and x86-64 known: 16:17 < rxr> checking for GC_malloc in -lgc... no 16:17 < rxr> configure: error: "GC requested but libgc not found! Install libgc or run configure with --with-gc=none." 16:17 < rxr> Due to previous errors, no 5-mono.log file! 16:18 < mnemoc> read the config.log 16:18 < mnemoc> a symbol is missing 16:18 < mnemoc> yuck yuck 16:19 < CIA-9> rene * r13919 /branches/2.1/package/multimedia/dvbd/64bit.patch: * fixed dvbd for 64bit platforms 16:20 < rxr> mnemoc: undefined references to pthread_* ... 16:20 < mnemoc> :( 16:20 < mnemoc> .oO( i was sure i had fixed dvdb )o 16:21 < mnemoc> .oO( commited only to trunk i guess )o 16:22 * rxr slaps mnemoc .... 16:22 < mnemoc> i should have asked you for review :) 16:22 < LMJ> christmas slap 16:22 < mnemoc> but you don't review awaylog :) 16:23 < rxr> mnemoc: don't name patches x86-64 if they are generic 64bit patches ,-) 16:23 < mnemoc> :) 16:23 < mnemoc> ok 16:23 < rxr> well - ok - now we have divergating patches on trunk and 2.1 for dvbd - worser stuff can happen 16:23 < rxr> I sugegst leaving it as it is ... 16:23 < rxr> on x64-64 on trunk libgc.so misses pthread dependency ... 16:24 < mnemoc> commit to trunk, and merge to 2.1. that's the idea 16:24 < rxr> of course 16:25 < rxr> I could merge the better named and slightly different patch form 2.1 to trunk now ... 16:26 < mnemoc> sure 16:26 < mnemoc> i wasn't happy with my patch 16:26 < mnemoc> that's why i asked for review and i didn't merge to stable 16:26 < rxr> mine is not much perfecter .. 16:27 < rxr> better would be to add another overloading to the toString thing for 64bit ... 16:27 < rxr> but I do not care about loosing precision / clamping the values in the places the cast is needed ... 16:32 -!- dinocazares [n=gfgd@10-130-89-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #t2 16:32 -!- dinocazares [n=gfgd@10-130-89-200.fibertel.com.ar] has left #t2 [] 16:34 < CIA-9> rene * r13920 /trunk/target/install/ (build.sh init init2 rootfs/init): 16:34 < CIA-9> * more moved the init2 into the install/rootfs overlay, further work 16:34 < CIA-9> on the 1st stage init and other polishing on the way 16:36 < rxr> mnemoc: would you mind when I make the install handling even easier? 16:36 < rxr> use the live-cd cd detection and continue loading stage2 from cd if found? 16:37 < rxr> and only offer the historic 1st stage shell if no cd can be found to allow manual interaction at that early stage? 16:37 < rxr> that would be way more user friendly for the average user, no? 16:39 < CIA-9> aldas * r13921 /trunk/package/kde/k3b/k3b.desc: * updated k3b (0.12.7 -> 0.12.10) 16:39 < CIA-9> aldas * r13922 /trunk/package/kde/k3b-i18n/k3b-i18n.desc: * updated k3b-i18n (0.12.7 -> 0.12.10) 16:47 < CIA-9> rene * r13923 /trunk/package/multimedia/dvbd/ (64bit.patch x86_64.patch): 16:47 < CIA-9> * reverted r13760, dvbd for 64bit platform fix and merged r13919 from 16:47 < CIA-9> branches/2.1 instead 16:49 < CIA-9> rene * r13924 /trunk/package/develop/boehm-gc/boehm-gc.conf: 16:49 < CIA-9> * fixed boehm-gc to correctly link libgc.so against libpthread 16:49 < CIA-9> on lib64 platforms by using system libtool 16:53 < CIA-9> rene * r13925 /branches/2.1/package/develop/boehm-gc/boehm-gc.conf: 16:53 < CIA-9> * merged r13924 from trunk: fixed boehm-gc to correctly link libgc.so 16:53 < CIA-9> against libpthread on lib64 platforms by using system libtool 16:54 < rxr> mnemoc: fixes mono on x86-64 16:54 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.1-stable-x86-64-athlon64-desktop: 16:54 < rxr> 680 builds total, 505 completed fine, 0 with errors. 16:58 < CIA-9> rene * r13926 /trunk/target/install/init: * removed C'nism and syntax errors in install/init, starts come up again 17:26 < rxr> 1http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-powerppl/index.html 17:34 < karasz> rxr? 17:34 < rxr> karasz: yep 17:35 < karasz> `rxr 1http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-powerppl/index.html` 17:35 < karasz> ^^ what about it? 17:35 < rxr> remove the 1 17:35 < karasz> done that 17:35 < karasz> what about it? 17:35 < rxr> interesting powerpc overview posted on #ppc64 17:54 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.251.145] has joined #t2 17:55 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CCD6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 17:56 < MisterN> hi 17:57 < karasz> hello MisterN 18:32 * mnemoc hate his work 18:32 * mnemoc hate his work 18:32 * mnemoc hate his work 18:32 < mnemoc> *food* 18:37 < CIA-9> amery * r13927 /trunk/package/mail/mess822/mess822.conf: * fixed mess822 to do install it's files 18:38 < rxr> mnemoc: ? 18:52 < karasz> take it easy mnemoc 18:53 < CIA-9> rene * r13928 /trunk/target/install/init: * further fixup of the new install/init based on testing 18:55 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.1-stable-x86-64-athlon64-desktop: 18:55 < rxr> 680 builds total, 512 completed fine, 0 with errors. 18:56 < madtux> mnemoc, so come work here. 18:57 < rxr> The year in Power Architecture technology: The best of 2005 18:57 < rxr> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-yearend05/?ca=dgr-lnxw07PowerYear05 19:10 < CIA-9> rene * r13929 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-nsc/xf86-video-nsc.desc: 19:10 < CIA-9> * only build xf86-video-nsc on x86, since it is only embedded in x86 19:10 < CIA-9> Geode CPUs 19:11 < CIA-9> rene * r13930 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-nsc/xf86-video-nsc.desc: * fixed xf86-video-nsc R tag 19:13 -!- demian [n=demian@201.206.44.210] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:17 < mnemoc> CIA-9: ? 19:18 -!- demian [n=demian@201.206.44.210] has joined #t2 19:18 < rxr> mnemoc: yes ? 19:19 * demian was disturbed 19:20 < CIA-9> rene * r13931 /trunk/scripts/config-functions.in: * fixed pkgsel_parse to allow [range] expressions 19:20 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you hate right now @work ? 19:21 < CIA-9> amery * r13932 /trunk/package/mail/mdmh/ (. errno.patch head_-n.patch mdmh.conf mdmh.desc): * added mdmh (0.7) - a command-line email interface for Maildir folders 19:22 < mnemoc> louses? 19:23 < rxr> louses? 19:23 < rxr> people or animals ? 19:25 < rxr> hm - wonders if thes dt-research page ever worked in lang=en 19:25 < rxr> 19:25 < rxr>

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19:25 < rxr> 19:28 < _Ragnar__> *hrhr* yea I saw that too 19:33 < rxr> _Ragnar__: there is a .uk company selling the same thing with a slightly better looking front IMHO at least 19:33 < rxr> I fear I do not have the URL handy :-(( 19:34 < rxr> but I could find out e.g. 'till monday 19:37 < demian> see u next week 19:37 < demian> bye 19:37 < rxr> cu demian 19:38 -!- demian [n=demian@201.206.44.210] has left #t2 [] 20:00 < CIA-9> aldas * r13933 /trunk/package/network/lat/lat.desc: * updated lat (0.7.4 -> 0.8) 20:02 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.96.135] has left #t2 ["Leaving"] 20:10 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.92.88] has joined #t2 20:13 < CIA-9> rene * r13934 /trunk/package/network/fget/ (. errno.patch fget.cache fget.conf fget.desc): * added fget (0.4.1) - A minimal http/ftp download tool for boot disks 21:07 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.251.145] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 21:26 < CIA-9> rene * r13935 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/ (00-minimal.in benchmark.in): 21:26 < CIA-9> * added our initrd helpers to the 00-minimal template (pdksh, embutils and friends) 21:26 < CIA-9> * added udev to the 00-minimal template 21:26 < CIA-9> * removed devfsd frlom the benchmark template 21:27 < CIA-9> rene * r13936 /trunk/target/install/ (build_initrd.sh init): * further install/ fixes, starts to come up 21:35 < rxr> mnemoc: any comment about my 1st stage question some hours ago ? 21:41 < CIA-9> aldas * r13937 /trunk/package/multimedia/kino/kino.desc: * updated kino (0.7.6 -> 0.8.0) 21:42 < rxr> Baldzius: btw. thanks for your update work ,-) 21:43 < Baldzius> :) 21:43 < CIA-9> rene * r13938 /trunk/target/install/init: * removed a left over C comment from the new install/init and improved the text 21:44 < CIA-9> msluis * r13939 /trunk/package/java/maven/maven.desc: * updated maven (2.0 -> 2.0.1) 21:50 < CIA-9> aldas * r13940 /trunk/package/multimedia/klear/ (klear.conf klear.desc): 21:50 < CIA-9> * updated klear (0.5.2 -> 0.5.3) 21:50 < CIA-9> * modified klear.conf to use scons 22:02 < CIA-9> rene * r13941 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/50-udev.rules: 22:02 < CIA-9> * fixed latest u/dev config to use hotplug++ as firmware helper and 22:02 < CIA-9> create cdorm%n symlinks 22:03 < Baldzius> is new udev ready for production? 22:04 < rxr> well - sort off 22:04 < rxr> the config is copied from the redhat or gentoo example 22:04 < rxr> because the rewrite of udev made our t2 config useless .. 22:04 < rxr> but the config is extremely crappy 22:05 < rxr> I need some dedicated hours to clean it up ... 22:05 < rxr> but it works on my turion sub-notebook so far and with this fixes most probably for the installer I'm rigth now coding 22:07 < Baldzius> in that case i'll try new udev as i lost my sound nodes somehow 22:10 < rxr> Baldzius: hm 22:11 < rxr> Baldzius: that reminds me you need to update your system init and ramdisk for that 22:11 < rxr> maybe better wait until we have a 2.2 installable CD and install that if you do not want to tinker in that area 22:14 < Baldzius> thanks, i'll try that either 22:14 < CIA-9> aldas * r13942 /trunk/package/network/dnrd/dnrd.desc: * updated dnrd (2.19 -> 2.20.1) 22:21 < rxr> mnemoc: are you still around ? 22:26 < CIA-9> aldas * r13943 /trunk/package/mail/courier-authlib/courier-authlib.desc: * updated courier-authlib (0.57 -> 0.58) 22:30 < CIA-9> rene * r13944 /trunk/target/install/ (build_initrd.sh menu.lst): * added preleminary menu.lst and a TODO: comment to build_initrd.sh 22:31 < CIA-9> rene * r13945 /trunk/target/install/build_stage1.sh: * removed obsolete install/build_stage1.sh 22:33 < CIA-9> aldas * r13946 /trunk/package/audio/imms/imms.desc: * updated imms (2.1.1 -> 3.0.1) 22:40 < CIA-9> aldas * r13947 /trunk/package/network/mdyndns/mdyndns.desc: * updated mdyndns (0.2 -> 0.2.1) 22:56 < CIA-9> rene * r13948 /trunk/target/install/ (build.sh build_stage2.sh): * some more work-in-progress for the new install/ 22:59 * rxr away now - cu then 22:59 < rxr> uptime of just my workstation: 31 days, 18:56 22:59 < rxr> a good time to give it a rest ... 22:59 < rxr> n8 all 23:03 < mnemoc> cu rxr 23:13 < karasz> cu rxr 23:35 * VX is away: sleep.. 23:37 < mnemoc> cu vixen --- Log closed Sat Dec 17 00:00:12 2005