T2 IRC Log: 2005-12-31

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--- Log opened Sat Dec 31 00:00:17 2005
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00:10 < CIA-2> amery * r14320 /trunk/ (misc/tail/install_desktop.in scripts/functions.in): * reworked register_{wm,xdm,application} and moved to misc/tail/install_desktop.in
00:11 * mnemoc moving home
00:15 < rxr> bah bios crap
00:15 < rxr> nothing really works
00:17 < rxr> as usual with pie sea crap
00:23 < rxr> pee sea even
00:27 < jsaw> hmmm
00:28 < jsaw> (cross) 1-dietlibc has bin-i686, dietlibc.conf expects bin-i386
00:28 < rxr> 2oh
00:29 < rxr> i fix
00:30 < jsaw> :))))
00:30 < valentin> re
00:32 < CIA-2> rene * r14321 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
00:32 < CIA-2> * fixed typo in dietlibc.conf, chain uname2arch | arch2uname to filter
00:32 < CIA-2> details away that are uninteresting (i386 instead of i686)
00:32 < CIA-2> * added s/sh.$/sh/ to the generic uname2arch helper
00:35 < rxr> hi valentin
00:35 < rxr> jsaw: does this fix the issue ?
00:36 < jsaw> wait a sec, testing...
00:36 < jsaw> first thing I can say, there's bin-i386 now
00:38 < jsaw> rxr: btw, why is sysenter disabled by default?
00:39 < jsaw> oh
00:39 < jsaw> ic
00:39 < jsaw> passed as option...
00:39 < rxr> this is hisotirc rock code
00:40 < rxr> it would be ok with me to make this dependant on the actual target cpu optimization selected
00:40 < jsaw> making note
00:41 < jsaw> == 12/31/05 00:41:14 =[1]=> Finished building package dietlibc.
00:44 < rxr> nice
00:45 < rxr> flashing a bios in a usb-cd-rom boot onlz box is no fun
00:45 < rxr> and instable usb-cd-rom boot is the reason I actually want to flash it
00:45 < rxr> shame that the crap hardware vendors do not provide sophisticated inside linux flashing
00:45 < rxr> have not yet managed to boot a DOS for flashing via usb-cd-rom
00:46 < rxr> la la la - yuck - jadda jadda
00:46 < rxr> n8 all - cu
00:51 < jsaw> gnight rxr
00:51 < jsaw> *gah*
00:53 < valentin> me in bed now, too
00:53 < jsaw> *cry*
00:53 < jsaw> gn8 valentin
00:54 < valentin> why ?
00:54 < valentin> feeling lonely ?
00:55 < jsaw> 1-perl: Configure: line 1019: /lib64: No such file or directory
00:55 < jsaw> cross building...
00:59 < mnemoc> i have seen that
00:59 < jsaw> and, any idea?
01:00 < mnemoc> 58:libpth="/usr/local/${libdir##*/} /${libdir##*/} /usr/${libdir##*/}"
01:00 < mnemoc> 59:confopt="-des -Dcc=gcc -Darchname=$arch_target -Dprefix=/$prefix \
01:00 < mnemoc> 60: -Dlibpth='$libpth' \
01:00 < mnemoc> this cause it
01:00 < mnemoc> no idea why that quoting doesn't work properly
01:00 < mnemoc> on some machines
01:01 < jsaw> bash...
01:04 * jsaw wants a bootstrap.sh
01:04 < mnemoc> stage -1
01:04 < mnemoc> ?
01:04 < jsaw> yep, build a "clean" t2 host environment
01:06 < jsaw> ok, \"$libpth\" instead of '$libpth' works
01:06 < jsaw> still it fails...
01:06 < jsaw> libperl.a(pp.o)(.text+0x260b): In function `Perl_pp_pow':
01:06 < jsaw> : undefined reference to `pow'
01:06 < mnemoc> i have tried lot of different convinations :)
01:07 < mnemoc> i think we will have to patch libpth in
01:07 < jsaw> so, \" will fail on another machine?
01:07 < mnemoc> Configure doesn't see the the values properly
01:10 < mnemoc> stupid Configure script
01:10 < jsaw> hmmm
01:10 < mnemoc> what i haven't tried is to 'pre-escape' spaces
01:11 < jsaw> if '$libpth' works here, and \"$libpth\" there, it's a bash thing
01:13 < mnemoc> wwhat about injecting libpth using sed?
01:15 < jsaw> what about using "-Alibpth" ...?
01:16 < jsaw> -A : manipulate symbol after the platform specific hints have been applied:
01:16 < jsaw> -A symbol=value append " "value to symbol
01:16 < mnemoc> sounds promising
01:16 < jsaw> tryink
01:20 < mnemoc> 57:[[ $libdir = *lib64 ]] && var_append patchfiles ' ' "$confdir/lib64.diff" <--- it could go here too
01:21 < jsaw> besides the missing -lm, the "-A" thing seems to work
01:22 < mnemoc> commit and i try here
01:22 < mnemoc> today is the 'break the trunk' day anyway ,-)
01:22 < jsaw> hehe
01:24 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14322 /trunk/package/perl/perl/perl.conf:
01:24 < CIA-2> * add -lm for miniperl creation (seems to be needed on some cross builds)
01:24 < CIA-2> * use -Alibpth=... as passing -Dlibpth='$libpth' fails on some systems
01:24 < jsaw> hrrm
01:25 < mnemoc> let see...
01:25 < jsaw> the -lm is still not passed
01:25 < mnemoc> uhm
01:26 < jsaw> another try...
01:26 * mnemoc going to fetch money...
01:26 < mnemoc> brb
01:26 < jsaw> gbs
01:40 < mnemoc> re :)
01:40 < jsaw> wb
01:41 < mnemoc> thx
01:41 < jsaw> how did yo rob?
01:41 < jsaw> s/how/who/
01:41 < mnemoc> employer :)
01:41 < jsaw> good
01:42 < mnemoc> but i'm not doctor ,-)
01:43 < mnemoc> actually i'm not even a bachellor
01:45 < jsaw> wtf cares ?
01:47 < mnemoc> $.$
01:47 < CIA-2> amery * r14323 /trunk/package/base/bcron/ (00-updates.cron 10-checksys.cron bcron.conf): * removed .cron files from bcron, and set to install .cron files from cron package
01:47 < jsaw> compiling 1-perl for the 1001s time...
01:47 < jsaw> rev 14323 ???
01:48 < jsaw> mnemoc: why that?
01:48 < mnemoc> they where clones
01:48 < jsaw> ah, got it
01:48 < mnemoc> and current .cron auto-installer can be used with files from non $confdir
01:48 < mnemoc> were*
01:49 < mnemoc> next step, automatice .init install
01:49 < mnemoc> do you know why files are rock-registry are foo and not foo.desktop ?
01:50 < mnemoc> files at rock-registry*
01:53 < jsaw> nope
01:54 < jsaw> thinko...
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02:00 < jsaw> ok, Configure is stupid
02:01 < jsaw> <- about to give up on 1-perl
02:02 < mnemoc> :)
02:02 < mnemoc> sed?
02:02 < jsaw> Makefile.micro uses "LIBS=-lm"
02:02 < jsaw> but the created "Makefile" uses "libs"
02:02 < jsaw> which is empty
02:02 < jsaw> perl
02:03 < jsaw> useful, but a nightmare
02:03 < jsaw> compiling 1-perl for the 1001s time... +10
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02:26 < jsaw> damn it
02:34 < mnemoc> :(
02:39 < CIA-2> jsaw * r14324 /trunk/package/perl/perl/perl.conf: * -lm was not passed correctly in stage 1 (cf. r14322)
02:39 < jsaw> == 12/31/05 02:34:54 =[1]=> Finished building package perl.
02:40 * jsaw in need for sleep
02:40 < jsaw> cu, mnemoc
02:41 < mnemoc> cu jsaw :)
02:48 < CIA-2> amery * r14325 /trunk/misc/tail/install_init.in: * improved sysvinit .init installation by auto-installing $confdir/*.init
02:52 < CIA-2> amery * r14326 /trunk/package/xorg/ (xfs/xfs.conf xorg-server/xorg-server.conf): * removed redundant xorg/*/*.init installations
02:53 < CIA-2> amery * r14327 /trunk/package/x86/ (acpid/acpid.conf microcode_ctl/microcode_ctl.conf): * removed redundant x86/*/*.init installations
02:56 < CIA-2> amery * r14328 /trunk/package/archiver/partimage/partimage.conf: * removed redundant archiver/*/*.init installations
02:56 < CIA-2> amery * r14329 /trunk/package/audio/ (alsa-utils/alsa-utils.conf mpd/mpd.conf nas/nas.conf): * removed redundant audio/*/*/*.init installations
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03:16 < CIA-2> amery * r14330 /trunk/package/base/ (17 files in 17 dirs): * removed redundant base/*/*/*.init installations
03:18 < CIA-2> amery * r14331 /trunk/package/contrib/lcdproc/lcdproc.conf: * removed redundant contrib/*/*/*.init installations
03:26 < CIA-2> amery * r14332 /trunk/package/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * removed redundant .init installation from postgresql and dictdionary
03:31 < CIA-2> amery * r14333 /trunk/package/filesystem/ (4 files in 4 dirs): * removed redundant filesystem/*/*/*.init installation
03:37 < CIA-2> amery * r14334 /trunk/package/mail/ (7 files in 7 dirs): * removed redundant mail/*/*/*.init installations
03:43 < CIA-2> amery * r14335 /trunk/package/multimedia/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * removed redundant multimedia/*/*/*.init installations
03:49 < CIA-2> amery * r14336 /trunk/package/security/ (9 files in 9 dirs): * removed redundant security/*/*/*.init installations
03:51 < CIA-2> amery * r14337 /trunk/package/printing/ (cups/cups.conf lprng/lprng.conf): * removed redundant printing/*/*.init installations
03:53 < CIA-2> amery * r14338 /trunk/package/powerpc/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * removed redundant powerpc/*/*.init installations
03:54 < CIA-2> amery * r14339 /trunk/package/ (java/jboss-as/jboss-as.conf www/webcdwriter/webcdwriter.conf): * removed redundant .init installations for webcdwriter and jboss-as
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04:12 < CIA-2> amery * r14340 /trunk/package/network/ (32 files in 31 dirs): * removed redundant network/*/*.init installations
04:21 < CIA-2> amery * r14341 /trunk/package/base/sysvinit/parse-config: * changed sysvinit's install_init to react to '#Install when:' as conditions to install, if one fails the file is not installed. (needed by mysql's auto-installation)
04:22 < CIA-2> amery * r14342 /trunk/package/database/mysql/ (mysql.conf mysql.init): * removed redundant installation of mysql.init, and marked file to only install if the build is not clientonly
04:22 < mnemoc> uff... done
04:22 < mnemoc> time to sleep
04:22 < mnemoc> happy broken trunk!
04:23 * mnemoc hides
04:23 < mnemoc> gn8 ,-)
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09:43 < rxr> re
09:44 < rxr> gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 20051229 (prerelease)
09:44 < rxr> so - let's see
09:47 < mipe> there was many updates from svn up, no libdir problem fix?
09:47 < mipe> oh and hi all
09:48 * rxr just arrived as well
09:48 < rxr> mnemoc has dome more last minute feature set changes on trunk
09:48 < rxr> like installing .init files automatically ...
09:48 < rxr> I fear more regressions then fixes ...
09:50 < rxr> 01:22 < mnemoc> today is the 'break the trunk' day anyway ,-)
09:50 < mipe> heh
09:52 < rxr> exactly ...
09:52 * rxr breakfast and throwing my brother out of the bed ...
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10:28 < mipe> wow,perl fails on stage 1
10:40 < rxr> ouhm
10:44 < rxr> jsaw tweaked erl last night
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10:46 [Users #t2]
10:46 [@ChanServ] [ Baldzius] [ jsaw] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
10:46 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly ] [ VX ]
10:46 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ mipe] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly_] [ zod ]
10:46 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
10:50 < Baldzius> good morning :)
10:51 < mipe> hmm, that change shouldn't have effect on this
10:53 < mipe> good morning Baldzius
10:54 < Baldzius> hi mipe, rxr
11:02 < mipe> well actually it was, it's just missing some libs to link with
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11:07 < CIA-9> mika * r14343 /trunk/package/perl/perl/perl.conf: * pass -lcrypt and -ldl for stage 1 perl
12:03 < valentin> moin
12:04 < mipe> hi valentin
12:05 < valentin> hi mipe
12:17 < rxr> re
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12:47 < rxr> hi VEXation
12:47 < VEXation> hello, rxr
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12:53 [@ChanServ] [ Baldzius] [ jsaw] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
12:53 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly_] [ zod ]
12:53 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ mipe] [ owl ] [ Stelz ]
12:53 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
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13:01 < rxr> hi mtr_
13:02 * Stelz is away: x
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13:22 < valentin> rxr: btw, linux still fails
13:22 < valentin> still the same error: FATAL: Could not open /tmp/tmp.jQtYCW3577/lib/modules/2.6.15-rc5-mm3-dist/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory
13:22 < valentin> yes, i am at HEAD and i reran ./scripts/Config, too
13:37 < rxr> aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
13:38 < rxr> 2 hours of usb cd-rom nerve breaking
13:38 < rxr> and 2 more with booting does with linux hacks from the network
13:38 < rxr> to find out the flashrom tool they sent me does not support my device
13:38 < rxr> (what the fuck?)
13:38 < rxr> to find out that amd has a flash tool for the geode to flash from linux ...
13:38 < rxr> valentin: hm
13:40 < rxr> in fact they do not even have a flashrom for the lx for dos on their homepage ...
13:40 < rxr> just linux ...
13:41 < rxr> how the world finally changes ...
13:42 < rxr> aaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
13:43 < mipe> valentin: try http://koti.japo.fi/~pmika/sysfiles.patch
13:44 < mipe> for base/sysfiles/
13:44 < mnemoc> rehi
13:45 < mipe> altought: i havent got that error for while(no patch applied for sysfiles/mkinitrd)
13:45 < mnemoc> mipe: mkinitrd is no longer on sysfiles
13:46 < valentin> mipe: is it in trunk already ?
13:46 < mnemoc> valentin: svn st to see if you have any '?' file around
13:46 < mnemoc> valentin: mkinitrd package
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13:46 < mnemoc> wb morfoh
13:47 < mipe> valentin: nope, mkinitrd has changed location, so it needs to be applied to mkinitrd package.
13:47 < mipe> but as i sayed, i havent got that error for while, in fact since the location change
13:47 < mnemoc> :)
13:47 < valentin> hm
13:48 < valentin> what other effects are there besides kernel not building ?
13:48 < rxr> ouhm
13:48 < rxr> and the shit fucking more annoing linux binary wants a /dev/gx_util I do not have in my kernel
13:48 < rxr> wonderful world
13:48 < rxr> did I mention I start to become very mad
13:48 < valentin> btw: i get shared file errors for the type1 font packages, but i think this will be trivial
13:49 < mipe> but looks like from mkinitd package, it does not create the /tmp//$moddir directory
13:49 < mnemoc> valentin: FCCACHE=true to makeinstopt should do it
13:49 < mipe> theres also shared file issues with perl and irssi
13:49 < mnemoc> that's not my fault
13:49 < mipe> but dont know how to handle it probly, irssi appends to perllocal.pod file and creates shared file issue
13:49 < valentin> mnemoc: thanx, if the moddir is the only problem i will wait till the rest of my build is finished
13:50 < mnemoc> mipe: see which command is writting on that file
13:50 < mipe> but i guess we should let it to append, since i think it appends some settings info there
13:50 < mnemoc> valentin: what are you building?
13:50 < mnemoc> mipe: appends are bad
13:50 < mipe> but have to wait for while, i started a rebuild with libtool 1.5.23a
13:51 < mnemoc> mipe: i guess downdating to 1.5.20 is safer
13:51 < mipe> mnemoc:ok, i'll look into it to more when build gets that far
13:51 < mnemoc> mipe: see flwrapper's logs
13:51 < mipe> mnemoc: i think karasz tryed but it didnt fix anything.. not sure though
13:52 < mnemoc> :\
13:52 < mipe> unless he forgot to rebuild
13:52 < valentin> mnemoc: i do an ./Emerge-Pkg -system for Desktop target
13:52 < valentin> on a minimal 2.2.0-epsilon
13:52 < mnemoc> valentin: oh
13:53 < mnemoc> valentin: sysfiles split will give you troubles
13:53 < valentin> well, i had shared files hell, but that doesn't matter much
13:53 < valentin> bash-3.1# grep '^X' config/default/packages | wc -l
13:53 < valentin> 905
13:53 < valentin> bash-3.1# ls /var/adm/logs/* | wc -l
13:53 < valentin> 452
13:54 < valentin> half way through...
13:54 < mnemoc> ls -1 /var/adm/logs/*.err | wc -l ?
13:54 < mipe> valentin: on my first desktop target build i got 102 errors out of 999 or so
13:54 < mipe> valentin: but most if not all where some libstdc++ trouble
13:55 < valentin> mnemoc: if you leave out the 'shared file' ones, it is only bdb33, libexif, linux* and tcl, tk
13:55 < valentin> up to now
13:56 < mnemoc> :)
13:56 < valentin> have to start with the hnye party preparations soon
13:56 < valentin> i wonder which packages fail due to bdb and tcltk
13:56 < mnemoc> valentin: name a drink (no champagne) people drink tonight
13:57 < mnemoc> bdb33 should only affect nssdb
13:57 < valentin> ouhm - we will have coca cola, juice and lychee bowl :)
13:57 < mnemoc> lychee bowl?
13:57 * mnemoc looking for a name for 2.1.1
13:58 < valentin> mnemoc: you take a few bins of lychee in sugar juice and mix with sparcling wine :)
13:58 < valentin> lychee bowl
13:59 < mipe> mnemoc:koff <--- thats what i'll be drinking tonight
13:59 < mnemoc> koff... uhm
13:59 < mipe> just some lousy beer :)
13:59 < valentin> s/bowl/punch
14:00 < valentin> wrong translation
14:00 < valentin> lychee punch
14:00 < rxr> FCCACHE=true is not he way to go
14:01 < rxr> we had this and want the files to be actually there - just owned by the fontconfig package
14:01 < mnemoc> rxr: isn't it done on postinstall ?
14:01 < mnemoc> flistdel is evil
14:02 < valentin> fckng something killed my screen on the new machine
14:02 < valentin> i cannot even detach it
14:02 < rxr> mnemoc: it was not my idea
14:02 < rxr> mnemoc: scroll irc back to see details
14:02 < valentin> but the build inside still seems to be running though
14:02 < rxr> i nede to hack a crappy new bios into my lxs and so far it is just pure pain
14:03 < mnemoc> rxr: x86_64 iso fixed and uploaded?
14:03 < rxr> mnemoc: no
14:03 < mnemoc> :(
14:03 < rxr> because I had to start building trunk due to major breakage people complain about
14:04 < mnemoc> uhm
14:04 < jsaw> re
14:04 < jsaw> btw breakage...
14:04 < mnemoc> wb 1-perl^W jsaw
14:04 < jsaw> ...
14:05 < jsaw> generic/minimal: grub cpio and others are missing in my package list
14:05 < mnemoc> uhm
14:06 < mnemoc> they are in mine
14:06 < mnemoc> arch?
14:06 < jsaw> config/*/packages looks pretty screwed
14:06 < jsaw> x86-64
14:06 < jsaw> only 0 and 1 are set, all other stage fields are -
14:06 < valentin> hi jsaw
14:07 < jsaw> hi
14:07 < mnemoc> O -----5---- 800.108 x11 neXtaw 0.15.1 / extra/development 0 <--- who named this one?
14:07 < valentin> mipe: are you sure this mkinitrd code will be evaluated on in system merge ?
14:07 < rxr> eiiiiiiiiiii
14:07 < mnemoc> jsaw: cross-compile enabled?
14:07 < rxr> the description on the AMD page is wrong
14:07 < jsaw> mnemoc: yep
14:07 < rxr> tried the latest romflash it it does support the LX
14:07 < valentin> ah well confused
14:07 < jsaw> mnemoc: should I disable it?
14:07 < rxr> damn strange companies hell
14:08 < rxr> we need a ExactCPU and the like ...
14:08 < mnemoc> jsaw: what is your host hardwarE?
14:08 < jsaw> mnemoc: pentium4, target amd64
14:09 < mnemoc> jsaw: uhm, crosscompile :(
14:09 < mnemoc> jsaw: or fetch a pre-built native minimal iso :)
14:10 < rxr> flashed
14:10 < rxr> finallz
14:11 < rxr> from a dos loaded via pxe into a ramdisk ...
14:11 < rxr> evil hackery from hell
14:12 < valentin> mipe where is this file you patch ?
14:12 < valentin> sysfiles had been removed
14:12 < mnemoc> valentin: mkinitrd.sh at mkinitrd package
14:14 < valentin> thanks
14:14 < valentin> did a find but i searched for 'mkinitrd'
14:14 < jsaw> cu later
14:15 < mnemoc> cu jsaw
14:15 < mnemoc> valentin: review your 'svn st'... some '?' files may be around
14:16 < mnemoc> crossminimal has 66 packages, minimal 113....
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14:18 < valentin> mnemoc: there are none (except two backup copies i did)
14:20 < valentin> hm, how does emerge find out what builds were broken ?
14:20 < valentin> i thought it just looked out for .err s
14:21 < mnemoc> afaik that's what it do
14:21 < rxr> nope
14:22 < rxr> ERROR tag in cache or package files in var/adm
14:23 < _Ragnar_> does bdb33 fail for you too?
14:23 < rxr> yes
14:23 < _Ragnar_> ok
14:23 < _Ragnar_> is it even needed still?:)
14:23 < mnemoc> some people love it
14:23 < mnemoc> i '-' it on my pkgsels
14:23 < _Ragnar_> 14:23 < _Ragnar_> ok
14:24 < mnemoc> nssdb need it afaik
14:24 < mnemoc> another package i '-'
14:24 < _Ragnar_> =)
14:24 < valentin> hm, too complicated to tweak manualy - i just rebuild them all
14:28 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/tyqtDQ46.html <--- these from minimal are gone for crosscompiles...
14:28 < karasz> moin
14:29 < mnemoc> moin karasz
14:29 < karasz> played a little with that FCCACHE
14:30 < karasz> i noticed that FCCACHE is a variable in configure wich gets set to a path
14:30 < mnemoc> yes
14:30 < karasz> FCCACHE='/usr/X11/bin/fc-chache'
14:30 < mnemoc> that's what you overwrite
14:30 < karasz> but i try to set it to 'true'
14:30 < mnemoc> yes
14:31 < karasz> and i am not sure if it is understood later
14:31 < karasz> i mean 'true' is not a path...
14:31 < mnemoc> true is just true.... always happy
14:31 < rxr> we had this and agreed that we want generated fc-cache files
14:31 < rxr> it is intentionally changed
14:31 < mnemoc> i don't agree that
14:32 < mnemoc> but i'm just one vote
14:33 < mnemoc> flistdel is harmful
14:33 < mnemoc> letting other package to write on others' files make inconsistences
14:34 < rxr> mnemoc: in the case of flistdel/bin/sh
14:34 < rxr> but in the case of font caches files result in just up-to-date files e.g. on Emerge
14:34 < mnemoc> automatize postinstall
14:34 < mnemoc> 'trigger' updates after install/emerge
14:35 < mnemoc> if font-foo updates the cache after fontconfig was packaged it will be ignored
14:36 < mnemoc> if font-foo package is not installed, the cache will contain wrong data
14:36 < mnemoc> if font-foo package is uninstalled, the cache will contain wrong data
14:37 < karasz> mnemoc, could you take a look at http://karasz.pastebin.ca/35379
14:38 < mnemoc> karasz: syntax is correct, but rene doesn't like that solution.
14:38 < karasz> me neither
14:39 < karasz> since it doesn't resolve anything
14:39 < karasz> packages stuill fails
14:39 < mnemoc> karasz: did you -remove them before rebuild?
14:39 < karasz> i did a rm for the err file
14:39 < karasz> -oldconfig after
14:40 < rxr> mnemoc: if we / you want true back, please revert the revision so it is obvious it is not a new change
14:40 < mnemoc> [19:31:15] i deleted the err
14:40 < mnemoc> [19:31:35] it will fail
14:40 < mnemoc> [19:32:13] builds are additive, so new files will be added to the old flist
14:40 < mnemoc> [19:32:37] if the old flist includes a share, the new one will also contain it
14:41 < mnemoc> [19:33:03] use -remove instead of deleting the .err file
14:42 < mnemoc> rxr: i want we to discuss a real fix for keeping these caches consistents, which is not flistdel to hide shares imo
14:42 < karasz> i am blind or what:?
14:42 < karasz> Usage: ./scripts/Create-ErrList [ -cfg config ] [ -repository repository ] \
14:42 < karasz> [ -copydir copydir | -movedir movedir ] [ -repstat ] \
14:42 < karasz> [ -stage stage ] [ -logdir logdir ] [ -[full|new]delete ] \
14:42 < karasz> [ -updated ] [ -showerr ] [ -showtree ] [ -showdepc ] \
14:42 < karasz> [ -dry-run ] [ ]
14:43 < karasz> where is the remove?
14:43 < mnemoc> most helps are out of sync
14:44 < karasz> after that i make an -oldconfig?
14:44 < karasz> or just build?
14:44 < mnemoc> just build
14:45 < karasz> root@karasz:/usr/src/t2-trunk# ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg minimal
14:45 < karasz> Removing old error logs ...
14:45 < karasz> Searching for old lingering files ...
14:45 < karasz> -> None found.
14:45 < karasz> Finishing build.
14:45 < karasz> -> Creating package database ...
14:45 < karasz> !> Binary file for font-bh-type1-1.0.0.tar.bz2 not present. Skipped in package database.
14:45 < karasz> !> Binary file for font-bitstream-type1-1.0.0.tar.bz2 not present. Skipped in package database.
14:45 < karasz> !> Binary file for font-ibm-type1-1.0.0.tar.bz2 not present. Skipped in package database.
14:45 < karasz> !> Binary file for font-xfree86-type1-1.0.0.tar.bz2 not present. Skipped in package database.
14:45 < karasz> -> Creating output image ...
14:46 < karasz> i messed up smth as it doesn'r even try to build :(
14:46 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -remove broken-package-1 broken-package-2 broken-package-3 broken-package-4
14:46 < karasz> aham
14:46 < rxr> mnemoc: I understand your post-install solution
14:47 < karasz> with -cfg foo i supose
14:47 < rxr> mnemoc: revert and do it
14:47 < rxr> mnemoc: but please to not de-stabelize trunk more
14:47 * rxr lunch
14:47 < _Ragnar_> can it be more unstable?:)
14:47 * _Ragnar_ wonders =)
14:47 * _Ragnar_ feed rene:)
14:47 < karasz> mnemoc, with -cfg foo i supose
14:47 < mnemoc> rxr: no alive regressions from my changes :)
14:48 < mnemoc> karasz: yes
14:48 < mnemoc> karasz: as the first argument
14:48 < karasz> yup
14:49 < mnemoc> rxr: nah.... we should talk after lunch ,-)
14:49 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm just trying to make karasz learn how to solve issues on t2
14:50 < karasz> hard job mnemoc ;)
14:50 < mnemoc> *ACK*
14:50 < _Ragnar_> =)
14:50 < karasz> but not entirely hopeless i hope
14:51 < mnemoc> i loose my patience sometimes, but i recover it fast
14:53 < _Ragnar_> =)
14:53 < mnemoc> :)
14:54 < karasz> good built finished ok
14:57 < karasz> hmm feeling like svn
14:57 < mnemoc> ?
14:57 < karasz> i would like to send to ML the diff with the .conf files
14:58 < mnemoc> ?
14:58 < karasz> or it is a solution which will be dropped?
14:58 < mnemoc> the solution was there but it was removed looking for another soluction, which is not yet implemented
14:59 < karasz> ack
14:59 < mnemoc> it's just a matter of reverting a revision
14:59 < karasz> so i just sit on my but
14:59 < karasz> well almost
14:59 < karasz> because now i will try a minimal =xorg=basic desktop
15:00 < mnemoc> you learn a few things
15:00 < mnemoc> that's why i made you suffer
15:00 < karasz> thanks
15:00 < karasz> and i am not being sarcastic here
15:01 < mnemoc> :)
15:01 < karasz> but i am unsure how didi you pointed out FCCACHE
15:02 < mnemoc> you grep the source for fc-cache
15:02 < karasz> the rest i pretty clear i guess
15:02 < mnemoc> and you found [10:31:28] FCCACHE='/usr/X11/bin/fc-chache' on makefiles
15:03 < mnemoc> and finally you overwrote that definition with do-nothing 'true' command
15:10 < karasz> 17:03:26 =[5]=> Building base/pcre [6.4 2.2.0-alpha].
15:10 < karasz> guess will fail...
15:10 < jsaw> e
15:10 < jsaw> re
15:10 < jsaw> :)
15:11 < karasz> hi jsaw
15:11 < valentin> damn, hell
15:11 < jsaw> hi karasz
15:11 < valentin> $moddir did not work
15:11 < mipe> uhm, really?
15:11 < jsaw> svn co successful on new machine, nice
15:11 < karasz> ok, i ctrl-c the build since pcre failed
15:12 < karasz> so i guess that's it for this year
15:12 < mipe> karasz: did you try downdated version of libtool for trunk build? didnt work?
15:12 < mnemoc> jsaw: sempron?
15:12 < karasz> minimal+xorg built fine
15:12 < valentin> hm... tmp/...../lib/modules is there, but the subdir is not :/
15:12 < karasz> mipe, yes
15:12 * mipe wants low power consuming pc soon next year
15:12 < karasz> i use the downdated libtool 1.5.20
15:12 < mipe> karasz: and didnt work?
15:12 < karasz> nope
15:13 < karasz> same error
15:13 < mnemoc> valentin: there should be a mkdir -p there
15:13 < karasz> i sent src.pcre to rxr
15:13 < mipe> i have upgraded libtool version build running, hopefully something works
15:13 < karasz> to investigate
15:13 < jsaw> mnemoc: yes
15:14 < mnemoc> jsaw: :D
15:14 < mnemoc> jsaw: now you can do your native build ,-)
15:16 < jsaw> yes!
15:19 < mnemoc> karasz: can you upload to pastebin.ca your diff to create .conf files?
15:19 * Stelz is back (gone 01:01:43)
15:19 < karasz> i tried to svn diff with not the expected results
15:19 < karasz> gimmie a syntax and i give you an url
15:20 < karasz> i made a svn diff but it didn't listed my conf files
15:21 < karasz> just some stuff on firefox and automake quirk
15:21 < mnemoc> karasz: svn add them first, then svn diff package/xorg
15:21 < mnemoc> karasz: svn add them first, then svn diff package/xorg > xorg.diff
15:21 < karasz> i'll try
15:22 < valentin> mnemoc: mkdir -p $tmpdir/$moddir
15:23 < mnemoc> valentin: and doesn't work?
15:23 < mnemoc> is moddir correctly defined?
15:25 < valentin> doesn't seem so :(
15:25 < valentin> [ "$moddir" ] || moddir="/lib/modules/$kernelver"
15:25 < valentin> should be ok ?!
15:26 < valentin> except for the '//' - should not matter
15:26 < mnemoc> moddir=lib/modules/...
15:26 < mnemoc> not sure about $kernelver
15:27 < karasz> mnemoc, http://karasz.pastebin.ca/35381
15:27 < mnemoc> there is some magic related to extraversions
15:27 < mnemoc> and i don't remeber where is it stored
15:27 < mnemoc> karasz: why did you copyright those files to rock??
15:27 < rxr> re
15:28 < mnemoc> wb rxr :)
15:28 < Stelz> ?? ???
15:28 < Stelz> )
15:28 < karasz> mnemoc, i made a copy paste from 7zip i guess, because i failed to use the CreateCopyPatch script
15:28 < Stelz> hi all
15:28 < mnemoc> karasz: why failed?
15:28 < mnemoc> hi unicode-boy
15:29 < karasz> because i didn't know the right magic words
15:29 < karasz> :(
15:29 < karasz> much I have to learn yet....
15:29 < karasz> as Yoda would say it...
15:29 < rxr> anyone ever tried to build irssi statically dietlibc ?
15:30 < rxr> karasz: ./scritps/Create-CopyPatch package/.../your/file | patch -p1
15:30 * rxr shower
15:30 < _Ragnar_> no
15:30 < _Ragnar_> doubt that'd work
15:30 < rxr> _Ragnar_: maybe I try later
15:31 < rxr> I think I'll make my new router base on a usb stick and thus only consume a few Watts 24x7x265 ...
15:32 < mnemoc> :D
15:32 < _Ragnar_> =)
15:32 < _Ragnar_> nice
15:32 < zod> rxr: you only run your router 265 days a year?
15:32 < mnemoc> hehe
15:33 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
15:33 * _Ragnar_ giggles
15:33 < karasz> mnemoc, should i make another post on pastebin?
15:33 < mnemoc> zod: http://www.frappr.com/t2
15:33 < mnemoc> karasz: nah
15:33 < zod> mnemoc: eh?
15:33 < karasz> mnemoc, why?
15:34 < karasz> i kinda like to make propper things
15:34 < mnemoc> zod: you are welcome to add yourself to our map if you use T2 :)
15:34 < zod> mnemoc: i failed to use it ;)
15:34 < mnemoc> karasz: i already fixed it locally
15:34 < karasz> ok
15:34 < karasz> then i will make it for me ;)
15:34 < zod> rxr: ftp://ftp.freenet.de/pub/lart.info/42/ these binaries are statically linked against dietlibc
15:35 < karasz> zod i failed to use it is copyrighted
15:35 < mnemoc> zod: konqueror?
15:36 < mnemoc> zod: or failed to use t2?
15:37 < zod> zod: 2nd
15:38 < _Ragnar_> g++: /usr/lib/.libs/libacl.so: No such file or directory
15:38 < _Ragnar_> <-- that problem is still present for kdelibs
15:39 < mnemoc> libacl.la is broken i guess
15:40 < mnemoc> zod: what part? need help?
15:40 < zod> mnemoc: the kernel build failed
15:41 < zod> mnemoc: and i want to use t2 to build a small distro that runs on a ramdisk so i'll have to tweak the profiles
15:42 * Stelz is away: dunno
15:42 < mnemoc> zod: 2.1 or 2.2?
15:42 < zod> 2.2
15:43 < karasz> at76c503a and lazy fs?
15:43 < mnemoc> generic/minimal should build flawless today, if you want to take that as start point
15:44 < karasz> mnemoc, even the above mentioned?
15:45 < karasz> but maybe zod wants to use linux24....
15:46 < mnemoc> karasz: minimal doesn't include those packages
15:46 < zod> mnemoc: i took embedded because of the uclibc
15:46 < karasz> yes, i forgot that
15:46 < mnemoc> i fear noone has tried uclibc support in a few... 8? months :(
15:47 < zod> wee :D
15:47 < zod> karasz: nope linux26
15:47 < mnemoc> linux24 will be removed from t2 trunk soon
15:47 < karasz> good
15:48 < karasz> that's it guys and owlites
15:48 < karasz> cu in 2006
15:48 < zod> cu then :)
15:48 < Stelz> :)
15:48 < karasz> have a nice NYP
15:48 * Stelz Date/Time is now [ Sat Dec 31 17:46:48 ]
15:48 < Stelz> gigi
15:48 < Stelz> coming soon :)
15:48 < zod> nyp? new year party?
15:48 < karasz> yup
15:48 < zod> k :)
15:48 * Stelz as aeay for the supper.. :)
15:49 < Stelz> *away
15:49 < zod> mnemoc: should i try minimal then?
15:49 < zod> mnemoc: or should i try to fix the uclibc stuff ;)
15:50 < mnemoc> zod: it's up to you :) you could also change minimal to use uclibc ,-)
15:50 < mtr_> zod: do you need uclibc ?
15:50 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr
15:51 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit ["Leaving"]
15:51 < mtr> there are some known issues currently with uclibc at trunk
15:51 < zod> mtr: well it should be a bit smaller than normal libc
15:51 < rxr> re
15:52 < CIA-9> amery * r14344 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/ (7 files): * renamed xorg-server scripts to .sh on svn, and set copyright notes
15:52 < mnemoc> re-wb rxr
15:52 < mtr> hi rxr
15:54 < rxr> JessicaAlba ?
15:55 < mnemoc> ?
15:55 < mipe> where?
15:55 < rxr> ftp://ftp.freenet.de/pub/lart.info/JessicaAlba
15:56 < zod> JessicaAlba
15:56 < zod> Latest unstable snapshot. Similar to `Debian sid'
15:56 < mnemoc> uhm
15:56 < rxr> zod: is that jurs ?
15:56 < rxr> yours ... even
15:56 < zod> rxr: nope
15:56 < rxr> zod: you know that we have dietlibc support ?
15:57 < zod> rxr: yes
15:57 < CIA-9> amery * r14345 /trunk/package/xorg/gccmakedep/ (gccmakedep gccmakedep.conf gccmakedep.sh): * renamed gccmakedep/gccmakedep to .sh, removed svn:executable, and set copyright note
15:57 < rxr> are those statically or dynamically linked ?
15:57 < zod> Mostly static linked, you can use it on any Linux system
15:57 < zod> according to the README
16:06 < jsaw> harhar
16:09 < mnemoc> wb jsaw
16:09 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you have in mind for multi-build ISOs?
16:09 < jsaw> vserver lets linux-header fail
16:09 < mnemoc> ?
16:10 < jsaw> version numbers, ya know
16:10 < mnemoc> but linux-header has not been updated
16:10 < jsaw> that's the problem
16:10 < jsaw> vserver applies to 2.6.14 up
16:10 < jsaw> linux-header is att 2.6.12...
16:11 < mnemoc> vserver.conf support different patches
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: doesn't that just work right now ?
16:11 < rxr> and btw. who is using multi build isos anyway?
16:11 < mnemoc> rxr: i do, for vservers
16:12 < rxr> i fear you have been the only one then
16:12 < mnemoc> rxr: and livecd for vservers would rock
16:12 < rxr> what kind of config did you use then ?
16:12 < rxr> I mean what kind of multple instances to install ?
16:12 < mnemoc> one build for the host, and one build for each 'kind' of guest
16:12 < rxr> but you only install the host from CD, right ?
16:13 < mnemoc> currently yes
16:13 < rxr> then "none" install method for the guests would be enough for the
16:14 < mnemoc> yes, as fallback
16:14 < mnemoc> but a usa case:
16:14 < mnemoc> build 1: lightweight dietlibc based minimalistic with X support for host
16:14 < mnemoc> build 2: normal but non-booting desktop for guest
16:14 < mnemoc> i.e. 'jailed desktop'
16:15 < mnemoc> installed just using our magic installer
16:15 < mnemoc> or even better... caged desktop at live
16:16 < mnemoc> another use case, vserver server install cd where you choose some which 'servers' you want to install as guests of your server
16:16 < mnemoc> from a single cd
16:18 < mnemoc> or multi-server livecd, storing just data on HD
16:18 < mnemoc> very promissing to me
16:18 < CIA-9> aldas * r14346 /trunk/package/gnustep/gnustep-back/gnustep-back.desc: * updated gnustep-back (0.10.0 -> 0.10.2)
16:19 < CIA-9> aldas * r14347 /trunk/package/gnustep/gnustep-base/gnustep-base.desc: * updated gnustep-base (1.11.0 -> 1.11.2)
16:20 < mnemoc> the only needed thing would be separated $ROOT on install, i.e. 'subroot', and a seletor for 'which builds to install'
16:21 < CIA-9> aldas * r14348 /trunk/package/gnustep/gnustep-gui/gnustep-gui.desc: * updated gnustep-gui (0.10.0 -> 0.10.2)
16:22 < CIA-9> aldas * r14349 /trunk/package/gnustep/gnustep-make/gnustep-make.desc: * updated gnustep-make (1.11.0 -> 1.11.2)
16:23 < mnemoc> but i have no idea how to 'mix' these 'multiple subroots' on livecd
16:23 < rxr> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=1454402
16:24 < CIA-9> aldas * r14350 /trunk/package/gnustep/gorm/gorm.desc: * updated gorm (0.9.10 -> 1.0.1)
16:24 < zod> any hints how to build a distro that runs on a ramdisk?
16:24 < mnemoc> ok ok... i know i'm talking crap... /me back yo work
16:24 < rxr> This undated graphic proved by Intel Corp., shows the company's new logo. Intel Corp. is launching a new corporate and brand identity that includes the reworked logo, a change in its ubiquitous "Intel Inside" stickers and a shift away from the Pentium name for its microprocessors
16:24 < rxr> mnemoc: /me also neither
16:24 < rxr> mnemoc: let's talk about that when someone wants that
16:24 < rxr>
16:24 < rxr>
16:24 < rxr> ABC NewsIntel to Unveil New Branding Strategy
16:25 < mnemoc> rxr: i do, but i only have 24 hours per day :\
16:25 < CIA-9> aldas * r14351 /trunk/package/gnustep/gworkspace/gworkspace.desc: * updated gworkspace (0.7.1 -> 0.7.2)
16:25 < mnemoc> 'leap ahead' :p
16:25 < rxr> mnemoc: you write clipper X hours a day - that is even worse ...
16:25 < rxr> mnemoc: sucks IMHO
16:25 < rxr> mnemoc: we need a better T2 logo branding ...
16:25 < mnemoc> *ACK*
16:26 < rxr> so - what the heck do I do with ppc 2.1 build ...
16:26 < rxr> install some older gcc into my host ...
16:26 < CIA-9> mtr * r14352 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/uclibc.conf:
16:26 < CIA-9> * force malloc glibc compatibility, that is to return a live
16:26 < CIA-9> pointer with malloc(0) instead of NULL, this fixes
16:26 < CIA-9> make problems with linux26
16:26 < rxr> damn
16:26 < mnemoc> .oO
16:26 < mnemoc> rxr: you need vserver on your ppc ,-)
16:27 < mnemoc> rxr: but chroot may also work
16:27 < rxr> chroot is enough
16:27 < rxr> ack
16:27 < mnemoc> :)
16:27 < jsaw> not able to get vserver cooperate with linux-header
16:27 < mnemoc> jsaw: the script tries to find up-down the first patch which mostly match linux version
16:28 < mnemoc> [D] patch-for-2.6.14
16:28 < mnemoc> [D] patch-for-2.6.12
16:28 < mnemoc> should do the trick
16:29 < mnemoc> 2.6.14 will be the 'best match' for 2.6.15
16:29 < mnemoc> and 2.6.12 will be a 'perfect match' for 2.6.12
16:30 < jsaw> mnemoc: if you find a patch for 2.6.12...
16:30 < mnemoc> what ugly piece of code i wrote there :(
16:30 < jsaw> I didn't find one...
16:30 < mnemoc> jsaw: older vserver version
16:30 < jsaw> where?
16:30 < mnemoc> http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/
16:30 < jsaw> and, will the utils work with 2.0 ?
16:30 < mnemoc> and http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/OUTDATED/
16:31 < mnemoc> yes, same utils since 1.9.5
16:31 < jsaw> sure?
16:31 < mnemoc> 100%
16:31 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFD1D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
16:31 < mnemoc> i idle on #vserver too ,-)
16:31 < jsaw> I'll try
16:32 < CIA-9> mtr * r14353 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/ (gdb-uclibc.patch psmisc-add_libintl.patch):
16:32 < CIA-9> * removed obsolete gdb patch
16:32 < CIA-9> * adjusted psmisc patch to latest pkg version
16:32 < mnemoc> jsaw: btw, change first patch to: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.15-rc7-vs2.0.1.diff
16:32 < mnemoc> let's keep stable branch, and not perpetual development-branch
16:33 < jsaw> k
16:35 < CIA-9> mtr * r14354 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/hotfix-genwctype.patch:
16:35 < CIA-9> * fixed uclibc locale build:
16:35 < CIA-9> Fix uninitialized stack variable, causes a segfault with -O2
16:35 < CIA-9> optimization and gcc 4.0.2 (send upstream)
16:35 < nzg> moin
16:36 < mnemoc> moin nzg
16:36 < rxr> hi nzg
16:37 < mnemoc> mtr: great to see you fixing uclibc ,-)
16:37 < morfoh> moin ...
16:37 < mnemoc> moin morfoh
16:37 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14355 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc:
16:37 < CIA-9> * update patch to 2.6.15-rc7-vs2.0.1
16:37 < CIA-9> * add patch 2.6.12.3-vs2.0-rc9 for linux-header
16:37 < morfoh> hey mnemoc ;)
16:38 < morfoh> you can call me "chef" for today ... already prepared the 3rd. cake for today and a dinner ... puh ... ;)
16:39 < Baldzius> currywurst :)
16:39 < mnemoc> hehe
16:39 < Baldzius> moin morfoh :)
16:39 < CIA-9> mtr * r14356 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/mine.conf:
16:39 < CIA-9> * fixed uclibc cross building mine:
16:39 < CIA-9> prevent pulling in glibc header files in stage 1
16:39 < morfoh> moin Baldzius .... haha ... Currywurst isn'
16:39 < morfoh> t that hard to make
16:39 < morfoh> but no !
16:39 < jsaw> mnemoc: linux-header passed
16:39 < morfoh> no currywurst :)
16:40 < Baldzius> :)
16:42 < mnemoc> jsaw: :D
16:42 < jsaw> bbl
16:43 < mipe> btw. has there been any work on graphical installer for 2.2?
16:43 < rxr> ouhm ouhm - valentin ?
16:44 < mipe> and rxr: fill trac with some todo files next year :) other than package testing/fixing
16:44 < rxr> mipe: ack
16:45 < rxr> mipe: I can tell you some hours++ fun right now if you want advanced stuff ...
16:45 < rxr> a minimal as possible "ip" for use in the install 1st stage loader
16:45 < rxr> binary should be less than 10kB for x86 and Os ...
16:45 < rxr> static dietlibc ...
16:46 < mnemoc> :D
16:46 < rxr> that is it must just support the commands used in the install/init
16:46 < mnemoc> udhcpc would be also nice
16:46 < rxr> if you want do that I propose to start from scratch - I already stipped down iproute2 and it is still just slightly below 100kB
16:47 < rxr> if none wants to do this pain I'll early next year ..
16:47 < rxr> btw. scrolling thru iproute2 I noticed what all the junk it can control ... ,-)
16:47 < mnemoc> iproute2 is amazingly powerful
16:47 < mnemoc> ifconfig just sucks
16:48 < rxr> fefe has a miniifconfig on his todo
16:48 < rxr> but who wants ifconfig
16:48 < rxr> I just want the minimal as possible ip
16:48 < mnemoc> dietip :)
16:49 < rxr> embip
16:49 < rxr> whatever
16:49 < rxr> yes
16:49 < mnemoc> :)
16:49 < mnemoc> ip route and ip addr only, on a very basic form
16:49 < rxr> of course in a system one wants the full beast
16:49 < rxr> but 150kB+ just to set the ip for netinstall is just rediculous
16:49 < mnemoc> sure, but not on initrd ,-)
16:49 < mnemoc> ack
16:50 < rxr> mipe: another thing - current the stage2 is not compressed just a tar
16:50 < mnemoc> i guess it's easier to write one from zero
16:50 < rxr> because I had no tiny gunzip handy ...
16:50 < mnemoc> ip++
16:50 < rxr> mnemoc: well - maybe not ++ - it suggests better enhanced ...
16:50 < rxr> diet or mini is a better prefix
16:50 < mnemoc> ip--
16:50 < mnemoc> :)
16:50 < rxr> ip# ?
16:51 < mnemoc> *G*
16:51 < mnemoc> dietip sounds good to me
16:59 < mtr> xorg/font-*-type1 have shared files on $root/var/cache/fontconfig/, they run fc-cache during install
17:00 < rxr> mnemoc: do you commit the revert to set FCACHE and such to true ?
17:00 < mtr> add the path to flistdel in xorg-config.in?
17:00 < mnemoc> rxr: do you really agree commiting it back?
17:00 < rxr> mtr: mnemoc decided we shoudl really just to that at postinstall time
17:00 < rxr> mnemoc: yes yes ack ack ac
17:00 < rxr> k
17:01 < mnemoc> i didn't decide anything.... we are a community, i don't impose
17:01 < rxr> go go
17:02 < CIA-9> amery * r14357 /trunk/package/xorg/ (4 files in 4 dirs): * changed fonts to not run fc-cache duirng build, it has to be done on postinstall
17:02 < mnemoc> :)
17:02 < rxr> mnemoc: did you revert a revision ?
17:02 < mtr> mnemoc: thanks ;-)
17:03 < mnemoc> nope, i couldn't find it, so i added the files (from karaz patch)
17:03 < rxr> you commit is extremly invalid
17:03 < mnemoc> oh
17:03 < rxr> mnemoc: you could have said that you have not found the revision ...
17:03 < mnemoc> i couldn't find it on svn log
17:04 < mnemoc> and i read about two months on package/xorg
17:04 < mnemoc> rxr: what is so extremly invalid on that commit?
17:04 < rxr> single package tweaks
17:05 < rxr> and only alf of the storry
17:05 < rxr> half
17:05 < mnemoc> redundant, incomplete.... but extremly invalid? :p
17:05 < rxr> initial impl:
17:05 < rxr> k# svn diff -r 12274:12275
17:05 < rxr> that summs up to extremly invalid ,-)
17:06 < mnemoc> :)
17:06 < rxr> removal was r13564
17:06 < rxr> r13564 | rene | 2005-11-24 14:05:18 +0100 (Thu, 24 Nov 2005) | 4 lines
17:06 < rxr> * improved xorg-server/modular-x-conf.in to not disable font cache runs
17:06 < rxr> but remove the files from the flist, thus in-build virtual X
17:06 < rxr> invocations have them
17:06 < rxr> ah
17:06 < rxr> look
17:06 < rxr> in-build virtual X
17:07 < mnemoc> ic
17:07 < rxr> for those crappy big fat packages such as mozill crap ..
17:07 < rxr> so - what to do ?
17:07 < rxr> either revert it in a way so that the one line for all xorg modular pacakges in intact
17:07 < rxr> or really generate the files to have the for this virtual X driver to fixup borked packags ?
17:09 < mnemoc> run fccache once at a very early level so only _core_ fonts are included?
17:09 < rxr> sorry that I forgot that it was for the virtual X ... btw
17:09 < mnemoc> yes, i forgot too
17:09 < rxr> well - then fontconf would invalidly depend on some fonts
17:09 < mnemoc> or just run it on font-config package
17:09 < rxr> and it would be fragile to shuffling build order
17:09 < CIA-9> aldas * r14358 /trunk/package/scientific/wxmaxima/wxmaxima.desc: * updated wxmaxima (0.6.2 -> 0.6.4)
17:09 < mnemoc> and who care it's content, postinstall will fix it anyway
17:09 < rxr> I think just adding the temp files to the flist del is very fine
17:10 < rxr> mnemoc: the packages needing fonts for virtual X start
17:10 < mnemoc> yes, but one call is enough for that
17:10 < rxr> when we regen priority or once have dynamic scheduling it will fail here and then when we do not let fontcache depend on some fonts ...
17:11 < rxr> I would not like to see fontconfig depending on some fonts it has no depends on just to get some cached snapshot
17:11 < rxr> I would rather let the packages run fc-cache as they like and those packages then depending on the fonts they need to run their installer or so automatically
17:11 < mnemoc> dinamic priority depends on known deps, those known deps shall be proper
17:11 < rxr> in-system postinstall fc-cache takes care the cache is fine
17:11 < rxr> yep
17:12 < rxr> and the font deps should be in the ugly graphic installer packags - not artificially on font-config
17:12 < mnemoc> so _global_ flistdel for /var/cache ? ,-)
17:12 < mnemoc> noone owning them?
17:13 < rxr> nope - doing crazzy stuff is invalid - we just allow those contconfig cache files
17:13 < rxr> they are in /usr/X11/... IIRC anyway
17:13 < mnemoc> :)
17:13 < rxr> ah no
17:13 < rxr> var/cache ok
17:14 < mtr> var/cache/fontconfig only?
17:14 < mnemoc> on 2.1 ref only ./pdnsd/pdnsd.cache is there
17:15 < rxr> maybe it is created because the crap expect it to be there with some permission
17:15 < rxr> I would rather just add the fc-cache related files to the del
17:15 < rxr> not any /cache
17:16 < rxr> you never know what crap will place there in the future
17:16 < CIA-9> aldas * r14359 /trunk/package/database/metakit/metakit.desc: * updated metakit (2.4.9.4 -> 2.4.9.5)
17:16 < rxr> let it trigger a error then
17:16 < mnemoc> ack
17:18 < mnemoc> but we should improve postinstall anyway, some 'just for me' (at /var/adm/postinstall ?) and on every update/install auto-triggered?
17:19 < mnemoc> probably passing $pkg to them as argument
17:21 < valentin> wtff
17:21 < valentin> no wonder the kernel keeps failing
17:21 < valentin> the changes i made seem to have no effect
17:22 < mnemoc> uhm
17:22 < valentin> does not use my current copy of mkinitrd.sh ?!
17:22 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll revert my extremely wrong commit
17:22 < valentin> i inserted some debuging output, but it does not show in the log
17:22 < mnemoc> valentin: stage-package ?
17:22 < rxr> mnemoc: second
17:22 < valentin> however, linux24 succeded
17:23 < rxr> I revert with fix in a minute
17:23 < mnemoc> ok
17:23 < mnemoc> better
17:23 < rxr> valentin: of course you need to rebuild mkinitrd package if you fix a bug in it
17:23 < valentin> rxr: so it uses the system wide mkinitrd ?
17:23 < rxr> if course
17:24 < valentin> then, why are the prioritys like that ?
17:24 < rxr> as it does use the system wide compiler
17:24 < rxr> why should it use a in-tree version of some file installed by some other package ?
17:24 < mnemoc> valentin: re-emerge mkinitrd :)
17:24 < valentin> rxr: of course, but shouldn't mkinitrd priority be lowered then ?
17:25 < mnemoc> true
17:25 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
17:25 < mnemoc> minute
17:25 < mnemoc> sysfiles was at 202.500 anyway ,-) +1 to the split
17:26 < rxr> valentin: we need a real dyn dep generator ?
17:26 < mnemoc> ? ?
17:27 < CIA-9> amery * r14360 /trunk/package/base/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.desc: * repriorized mkinitrd before linux* packages
17:27 < rxr> mnemoc: motivating valentin to get rid of the static priority hack
17:27 < mnemoc> :D
17:28 < mnemoc> i still think we could use per stage tsort for that
17:29 < rxr> valentin is our dedicated dyn prio man ...
17:29 < valentin> rxr: true
17:29 < valentin> as soon as we remove those loops
17:29 < CIA-9> aldas * r14361 /trunk/package/multimedia/libosip2/libosip2.desc: * updated libosip2 (2.2.1 -> 2.2.2)
17:30 < mnemoc> tsort will report the loops so we can fix [DEP]s
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17:30 < mnemoc> or attribute them
17:30 < mnemoc> i think dep attributes are the way to go
17:30 < valentin> have to continue the preparations cu
17:30 < mnemoc> cu valentin
17:31 < rxr> preparaion for dyn prio ?
17:31 < rxr> cool
17:31 < valentin> mnemoc: + stage evaluation
17:31 < mnemoc> *G*
17:31 < mnemoc> valentin: only packages on 'this' stage should be considered
17:55 < rxr> let's see if it is still possible to build gcc linked with dietlibc ..
17:56 < rxr> and as exercise the C++ STL on the way ...
17:56 < valentin> mnemoc: but some packages are "multi stage"
17:56 < valentin> so we could break loops if we view those deps as resolved
17:56 < rxr> that should be avoided
17:57 < rxr> since they should only be marked to be build in a higher stage to resolve deps
17:57 < rxr> thus you might strip valid deps this way
17:57 < rxr> you need to look into what shoudl happen for the current stage
17:58 < rxr> and only loosing such loops as last resort by looking what should exist before
17:58 < rxr> but until we see show pretty graphs this is hard to decide
17:59 * Stelz is back (gone 02:17:14)
18:00 < CIA-9> rene * r14362 /trunk/package/xorg/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
18:00 < CIA-9> * reverted r14357, FCCACHE=true for some packages, and mark cache files
18:00 < CIA-9> to be deleted from flist (as discussed on IRC due virtual X needing
18:00 < CIA-9> fonts for some graphic instalers to start)
18:04 < CIA-9> aldas * r14363 /trunk/package/python/sip/sip.desc: * updated sip (4.2.1 -> 4.3.2)
18:06 < CIA-9> aldas * r14364 /trunk/package/python/pyqt/pyqt.desc: * updated pyqt (3.14.1 -> 3.15.1)
18:22 < sparc-kly_> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/70832 Japan: $25.47 for 100Mbps/50Mbps :)
18:23 < CIA-9> aldas * r14365 /trunk/package/ruby/ruby/ruby.desc: * updated ruby (1.8.3 -> 1.8.4)
18:23 < mnemoc> i want that
18:23 < CIA-9> aldas * r14366 /trunk/package/security/rssh/rssh.desc: * updated rssh (2.3.0 -> 2.3.1)
18:24 < sparc-kly_> me too
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18:49 < mnemoc> yuck
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18:57 < rxr> damn
18:57 < rxr> bash build is so ugly
18:57 < rxr> cross build to dietlibc fails now
18:57 < rxr> because of inclusing of config.h and other crapo using host compiler to build helpers
18:57 < rxr> what a crap build
18:57 < rxr> bash authors should be kicked majorly
18:57 < rxr> best to the moon or better mars
18:59 < mnemoc> mercurio, to get burn
19:01 < rxr> ok __u_char_defined defined in config.h works aroudn this major brain damage ...
19:05 < rxr> bash is such a huge fat beast ...
19:05 < rxr> my oh myu
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19:20 < rxr_> so - me soon off - cu then
19:20 < rxr_> oh - btw. with PARALLEL=4 on a dietlibc embedded build I can fail bash ...
19:20 < rxr_> marking NOPARALLEL helped ...
19:20 < rxr_> guess I'll commit that later on
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19:21 < jsaw> oh my, vserver seems not to be 64bit ready...
19:21 < morfoh> the flat is "filling" up ....
19:22 < CIA-9> aldas * r14369 /trunk/package/base/mdadm/mdadm.desc: * updated mdadm (2.1 -> 2.2)
19:27 < rxr> cu alll
19:27 < rxr> happy celebration
19:27 < morfoh> rxr: thx ... have fun too ! :D
19:32 < Baldzius> :)
19:32 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
19:33 < misl> hi folks :)
19:33 < morfoh> hey ... my moped misl :D
19:33 < Baldzius> hi misl
19:33 < misl> moped?
19:34 < morfoh> misl: you have forgotten our plan ? ;)
19:34 < misl> morfoh: when does your party start?
19:35 < morfoh> it already started ... at least the first 20 people are here now
19:35 < misl> hey I only came up with the plan, I am not intended to drive the tour myself :)
19:35 < morfoh> full house today
19:35 < misl> well, say hi for me :)
19:35 < morfoh> misl: pfffff ... you have to drive with me anyway :p
19:35 < misl> any lovely ladies in da house?
19:35 < morfoh> misl: ok I'll say hello from misl :)
19:35 < morfoh> misl: a lot :)
19:36 < morfoh> mostly scandinavian ;)
19:36 < misl> morfoh: you drie I will sit on the back :)
19:36 < misl> oehh, maybe we both drive and have a lady on the back :D
19:36 < morfoh> misl: no problem ... I'm anyway the best moped driver around here ;)
19:36 < CIA-9> aldas * r14370 /trunk/package/multimedia/lirc/ (lirc.conf lirc.desc):
19:36 < CIA-9> * updated lirc (0.7.1 -> 0.7.2)
19:36 < CIA-9> * changed hook postinstall -> postmake
19:36 < misl> drie =drive
19:37 < morfoh> ok ... have to change the room ...
19:37 < morfoh> cu later ladies and gentlemen :)
19:37 < misl> cu morfoh
19:37 < morfoh> cu
19:38 < misl> morfoh: are you sure you are the best moped driver? I am not called missile and rocket man for nothing :)
19:39 < misl> But they also call me ticket man :( for all the speeding tickets I get.
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20:09 < CIA-9> aldas * r14371 /trunk/package/develop/doxygen/doxygen.desc: * updated doxygen (1.4.4 -> 1.4.6)
20:09 < Baldzius> happy new year :)
20:09 < Baldzius> goodbye :)
20:10 < misl> happy new year baldzius
20:10 < misl> cu next year :)
20:13 < Stelz> :)
20:23 < misl> hi Stelz :)
20:23 < nzg> so, until next year then
20:24 < misl> has the new year already started in Moscow:
20:24 < Stelz> hello, mipe
20:24 < Stelz> oops
20:24 < Stelz> :0
20:24 < Stelz> hello, misl :)
20:24 < nzg> cu
20:24 < misl> nzg cu and happy new year :)
20:24 < nzg> happy new year for you all *g*
21:19 < owl> happy new year ;)
21:19 < owl> bye (cu next year)
21:27 < mipe> anyone in 2006 already?
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22:05 < keinek> hi
22:06 < keinek> i need help, i build a minimal t2 with mnemosyne...
22:06 < keinek> i have alsa.
22:06 < keinek> and work fine.
22:06 < keinek> but some program dont.
22:06 < keinek> programs that need oss
22:06 < keinek> so.
22:07 < keinek> i need /dev/dsp
22:07 < keinek> but i sure that i forget something.
22:07 < keinek> i dont have /dev/dsp.
22:07 < keinek> oss emulator dont work.
22:07 < keinek> anybody can help me? :'(
22:08 < keinek> i use xfce4
22:08 < keinek> and in the sound mixer when i select sound blaster live.
22:09 < keinek> and go again, is again in default, i cant select sound blaster live :(
22:11 < karasz> bonne anne a tous
22:13 < keinek> hi
22:17 < morfoh> merci karasz ... pour tois aussi ;)
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22:20 * Stelz is away: x
22:20 < Baldzius> karasz: mknod /dev/dsp c 14 3
22:21 < Baldzius> oops keinek :)
22:21 < Baldzius> g* i am drunk :)
22:22 < morfoh> Baldzius: so don't touch your gun while your drunken :p
22:23 < valentin> short hi
22:23 < Baldzius> morfoh: i am desperately searching for ammo ... googling :)
22:23 < valentin> how is your hny eve ?
22:23 < Baldzius> hi valentin, not bad :)
22:23 < valentin> mnemoc: we do the lychee punch now, so if you wanna name it
22:24 < valentin> ppl here in berlin have no watches
22:24 < valentin> they burn all firework by now
22:24 < Baldzius> :))))))
22:24 < morfoh> valentin: ack ...s eems so ... but I guess they will have enough to "burn" at 0:00
22:24 < Baldzius> i am waiting for 12 to shoot from my gun :)
22:27 < valentin> morfoh: at 0:00 is WWIII
22:28 < valentin> dark clouds of powder covering the sky
22:28 < valentin> so, cu later
22:29 < misl> Hi guys, I don't need no ammo :D (big big grin)
22:31 < Baldzius> :)
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22:34 < misl> I fight bare handed :D whoaaaaaa hu
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23:08 < karasz> guys c'mon hurry up
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23:08 < karasz> i am in 2006, what are you waitin' for?
23:09 < karasz> again a very happy new year for you all
23:45 < sparc-kly__> im in 2005 :)
23:46 < sparc-kly__> happy new year karasz :P
23:50 * Baldzius is going where all drunk people go ... to bed :)
23:50 < Baldzius> gn8 all :)
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