--- Log opened Sat Jan 07 00:00:06 2006
--- Day changed Sat Jan 07 2006
00:00 < sepp> i would even say that its fast compared to ooo :/
00:00 < nzg> uargs...
00:01 < nzg> that sounds not nice
00:02 < nzg> 9-ooo.out is 32M already
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00:30 < mnemoc> rehi
00:30 < mnemoc> nzg: 32M??
00:30 < nzg> mnemoc: 34 as of now
00:30 < nzg> its still building
00:31 < mnemoc> it take 7h and 2.4G here, to produce a ~80M .tar.bz2
00:32 < mnemoc> ~180M if multilanguage
00:32 < nzg> i think it is multilanguage (i did not disable ml an i saw a lot of language-stuff floating by in the .out)
00:37 < mnemoc> :)
00:37 < mnemoc> sit back and relax
00:38 < nzg> i hope it finishes within the next hour
00:38 < mnemoc> well... i'm trying to make it buildable with java support, i have built it more than 15 times this week :p
00:38 < mnemoc> nzg: multilanguage... 9-10h
00:38 < nzg> i can not let my computer run while is sleep because my dad will go berserk
00:39 < mnemoc> 1 less if SATA
00:39 < nzg> omg... i think this is more of a "once in a lifetime" experience
00:40 < mnemoc> i just started yet-another-buildpkg_ooo :)
00:40 < nzg> oi
00:41 < nzg> i really start to appreciate pre-built ooo packages ;)
00:42 < mnemoc> but it's not politicly correct for T2
00:43 < nzg> pre-built includes "built by other t2-lers" ;)
00:44 < nzg> sometimes there is a little egoist inside us all *g*
00:45 < mnemoc> :)
00:46 < nzg> does it build the included mozilla?
00:46 < mnemoc> from mozilla it takes 'address-book' only
00:47 < mnemoc> and only if mozilla is not a 'system'
00:47 < mnemoc> i have set many --with-system-foo, but many others left
00:47 < nzg> so it will not build mozilla for me
00:48 < mnemoc> :)
00:49 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14595 /trunk/package/base/minised/minised.conf: * fix bindir path
00:49 < mnemoc> *G*
00:49 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14596 /trunk/package/xorg/xproto/xproto.conf: * lib64/X11 needs to be created also
01:25 < nzg> *************************************************
01:25 < nzg> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /mnt/parent/usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.p4d.20060106.173309.24651.localhost/ooo-build-2.0.1/build/ooa680-m1/instsetoo_native/util/OpenOffice//logging/log_OOA680__en-US_af_ar_be-BY_bg_br_bn_bn-BD_bn-IN_bs_ca_cs_cy_da_de_el_en-GB_en-ZA_eo_es_et_eu_fi_fr_ga_gl_gu-IN_he_hi-IN_hr_hu_it_ja_km_kn-IN_ko_lo_lt_lv_mk_ms_ne_nb_nl_nn_nr_ns_pa-IN_pl_pt_pt-BR_ru_rw_sk_sl_sh-YU_sr-CS_ss_st_sv_sw_sw-TZ_sx_ta-IN_th_tn_tr_ts_ve_vi_xh_zh-CN
01:25 < nzg> _zh-TW_zu.log
01:25 < nzg> *************************************************
01:25 < nzg> Failed to install: at ./ooinstall line 119.
01:25 < nzg> make: *** [install] Error 1
01:25 < nzg> grrrrr
01:25 < jsaw> poor nzg
01:25 < mnemoc> nzg: 2.0.1?
01:26 < nzg> yep
01:26 < mnemoc> nzg: there was a patch for that on 2.0.0.x, but removed on 2.0.1...
01:26 < nzg> trunk r14570
01:26 < mnemoc> i assumed it was fixed :(
01:27 < nzg> hm, apparently not ;-)
01:28 < nzg> and i got those: /mnt/parent/usr/src/t2-trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: command substitution: line 106: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"'
01:28 < nzg> so... i will soon pingtimeout
01:29 < nzg> my dad wants to switch the router off
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01:39 * jsaw is falling asleep
01:39 < jsaw> g'night all
01:44 < mnemoc> gn8 jsaw
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08:55 < rxr_> re
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10:26 < rxr__> moin Datahell
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10:27 < Datahell> tag :)
10:28 < rxr> checking if new throws std::bad_alloc exception on failure... no
10:33 < rxr> ^- kinda near swap to deaht ...
10:33 < rxr> Datahell: and, testing t2 ?
10:35 < Datahell> um ehrlich zu sein schau ich mich atm nur mal um was community um verschiedene distribtionen betrifft, teste aber gern immer mal wieder was neues solangs kostenlos is ;D
10:35 < Datahell> < viel zeit, arbeitslos ;(
10:36 < rxr> Datahell: was hast du gelernt, studiert ?
10:36 < Datahell> nix x(
10:36 < rxr> ouhm
10:37 < Datahell> bin 19^^
10:38 < Datahell> und schon seit der 8. klasse nitmehr @ school ;/
10:38 < rxr> warum das nicht ?
10:38 < Datahell> geschwänzt zwei jahre^^
10:38 < rxr> du machst spass, oder ?
10:39 < Datahell> bin inne psychatrie un von da innem heim gekommen, und zwar 40km weg von zuhaus, bin ich immer abgehaun x)
10:39 < Datahell> und wer nich inner schule is kriegt sechsen und dann nimmt ein keine schule mehr :(
10:41 < Datahell> must ich auf beschissenste hauptschule gehen, bin ich aber nie hin gegangen weil die echt son shice war un häng nu 4 jahre zuhause rum un verbring mein tach vorm pc
10:41 < Datahell> warum erzähl ich das eigendlich xD viel zeit wie gesagt reicht ja :D
10:42 < rxr> well, I wish you all the best for your further way ... !
10:44 < Datahell> < spielt atm mit gentoo rum, die ham auch ne recht nette community mit rund 200 mann innem channel, also ohne jez was propagandieren zu wollen :)
10:45 < rxr> "An der Uni Zürich wurde ein Texteditor mit Groupwarefunktionen namens TeNDaX entwickelt, der jedes Zeichen einzeln in einer Datenbank speichert; Meta-Daten wie Zugriffsberechtigungen können also für jedes Zeichen einzeln vergeben werden. Das System bietet Versionskontrolle mit Rollback und viele Statistikfunktionen, welcher Benutzer welchen Anteil des Texts mit welcher Geschwindigkeit eingegeben hat. In einer Pressemitteilung wird das Projekt als das erste Softwarepatent der Universität gefeiert, und auch auf der Homepage steht unübersehbar: Patent Pending."
10:45 < rxr> ^- valentin !!
10:45 < rxr> http://www.symlink.ch/hsw/06/01/06/0945210.shtml
10:46 < Datahell> alles nur entwickler hier oder auch leutz die einfach aus überzeugung t2 usen? :D
10:49 < rxr> es sind auch ein paar "nur Nutzer" hier, aber eher Entwickler
10:54 < Datahell> und ihr braucht testpersonal? ;D
10:54 < Datahell> ich könnts ma auf mein server draufwuchten un anschauen :)
10:55 < rxr> nicht umbedingt ...
10:55 < rxr> nur wenn du es verwenden willst ...
10:57 < rxr> Datahell: where did you found t2 and this channel ?
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11:14 < rxr> this AP really starts to get no my nerves ..
11:14 < rxr> anything I missed ?
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11:31 < jsaw> re
11:32 < jsaw> rxr: there's an error in the error output, some hardcoded path to /var/adm/log/*, missing the basedir in front?
11:33 < rxr> jsaw: hm
11:33 < rxr> ah yes - inside the chroot it does not prepend it ...
11:34 < rxr> jsaw: any idea how to proceed with those ?
11:36 < jsaw> actually not yet, I was fighting with other software...
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11:36 < jsaw> 2140 builds total, 597 completed fine, 0 with errors.
11:36 < jsaw> pkgsel:
11:37 < jsaw> O linux24
11:37 < jsaw> O lirc
11:37 < jsaw> O at76c503a
11:37 < jsaw> X vserver
11:37 < jsaw> O lazyfs
11:37 < jsaw> O elinks
11:37 < jsaw> O dhcpcd
11:37 < jsaw> ^-- the O's don't build
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11:37 < Baldzius> moin! :)
11:38 < rxr> moin Baldzius
11:38 < jsaw> rxr: I'll gonna recheck the gcc/libtool thing tonight, then I'll look at the output stuff
11:38 < Baldzius> hi rxr
11:38 < jsaw> hi Baldzius
11:38 < Baldzius> hi jsaw :)
11:41 < CIA-9> aldas * r14598 /trunk/package/gnome2/xchat/ (xchat.conf xchat.desc): * updated xchat (2.6.0 -> 2.6.1)
11:46 < CIA-9> aldas * r14599 /trunk/package/security/rssh/rssh.desc: * updated rssh (2.3.1 -> 2.3.2)
11:49 < rxr> linux 2.6.15-mm1: patching file kernel/module.c.orig
11:49 < rxr> wonderful ..
11:49 < jsaw> what?
11:49 < rxr> yes
11:50 < rxr> and that is why it fails in the t2 patchery since module.c.orig is already there ...
11:50 * rxr slaps Andrew ...
11:50 < rxr> The next patch would create the file kernel/module.c.orig,
11:50 < rxr> which already exists! Applying it anyway.
11:50 < rxr> patching file kernel/module.c.orig
11:50 < rxr> Patch attempted to create file kernel/module.c.orig, which already exists.
11:50 < rxr> Hunk #1 FAILED at 1.
11:50 < rxr> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file kernel/module.c.orig.rej
11:50 < rxr> I do not need to comment on that further, do I ?
11:51 < jsaw> no, you don't
11:51 < rxr> and the stable ace version misses files that the beta version has ...
11:51 < rxr> wonders whether I should package the beta ace version then ...
11:51 < jsaw> git does a wonderful job, seems to me
11:52 < rxr> git is thruput oriented ...
11:52 < rxr> hm - I wonder why module.c.orig is already there
11:53 < rxr> ah!
11:53 < rxr> because we set patch to use that suffix ...
11:53 < rxr> and patch creates it applying exactly this chunk and then see oh damn - I just create it myself ....
11:53 * rxr headache
11:55 < jsaw> gotta go, feeding Charlotte, then shopping...
11:55 < jsaw> cu later
11:55 < rxr> cu
11:55 < rxr> have fun
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12:02 < CIA-9> aldas * r14600 /trunk/package/gnome2/gob/gob.desc: * updated gob (2.0.13 -> 2.0.14)
12:02 < LMJ> morning
12:02 < rxr> moin LMJ
12:03 < LMJ> how are you rxr ?
12:03 < rxr> fine, thanks - you too?
12:03 < LMJ> yes, quite fine
12:03 < LMJ> found something strange
12:04 < LMJ> my cpu is used at 50% for :
12:04 < LMJ> XMMS playing mp3 streaming from shoutcast.com it happens since a couple of weeks, no more... very strange
12:04 < LMJ> i unactived all plugins excepted mp3, same thing
12:05 < LMJ> arg my XMMS is bloated ;)
12:05 < rxr> what is eating the cycles ? xmms alone ?
12:06 < LMJ> yep !
12:06 < LMJ> trying to find why
12:06 < LMJ> from 54-60%
12:06 < LMJ> crazy
12:06 < rxr> my xmms does eat 3.7 % of a Turion MT-30 downscaled to 800MHz
12:06 < rxr> never saw such numbers ...
12:06 < rxr> but yes, xmms sucks ...
12:06 < rxr> I would sooner look for another player than later ...
12:07 < rxr> oh - what output plugin do you use ?
12:07 < rxr> I use alsa ...
12:07 < rxr> esd or arts in use ?
12:07 < LMJ> alsa here too
12:07 < LMJ> i was checking that out too
12:07 < LMJ> it sucks ? why ?
12:08 < CIA-9> rene * r14601 /trunk/package/base/linux26mm/ (linux26mm.conf linux26mm.desc): * updated linux26mm (2.6.15-rc5-mm3 -> 2.6.15-mm1)
12:08 < rxr> oudated unmainteined code using oldest gtk one can use on earth ...
12:08 < LMJ> lmao
12:08 < LMJ> ok
12:08 < LMJ> got it
12:09 < CIA-9> aldas * r14602 /trunk/package/emulators/gngeo/gngeo.desc: * updated gngeo (0.6.4 -> 0.6.6)
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12:12 < LMJ> rxr, you can code a new one, can't you ? ;)
12:12 < morfoh> hi
12:12 < LMJ> hello morfoh
12:13 < rxr> LMJ: we once had - but recently we lack the time ...
12:13 < rxr> http://gsmp.exactcode.de/
12:13 < morfoh> hello LMJ
12:14 < LMJ> good idea ;)
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12:14 < rxr> moin morfoh
12:14 < morfoh> moin rxr
12:18 < LMJ> what a pain
12:18 < LMJ> i unactived all plugins not needed
12:18 < LMJ> same thing
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12:21 < LMJ> moin karasz
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12:22 < karasz> hello SerWou
12:22 < karasz> hello rxr
12:22 < karasz> konochiwa morfoh san
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12:22 < morfoh> hi karasz
12:24 < karasz> hmmm for x86-64 vlc fails both in 2.1 and trunk :)
12:24 < karasz> mplayer in 2.1 is buggy
12:25 < karasz> xmms in 2.1 does not work at all
12:25 < CIA-9> aldas * r14603 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-volume-manager/gnome-volume-manager.desc: * updated gnome-volume-manager (1.5.4 -> 1.5.8)
12:25 < rxr_> .oO?
12:25 < morfoh> karasz: let me see i I've som enot yet commited patches for vlc ... why does it fail ?
12:25 < karasz> in the end is some assembly which fails...
12:25 < rxr_> karasz: in trunk we have x86-64 patches for mplayer I think
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12:31 < LMJ> .oOO0O0O mine -rf xmms and Emerge it again fixed it ;)
12:32 < rxr_> hm
12:33 < karasz> mplayer is buggy i didn't say it doesn't work
12:33 < karasz> bit it crashes ...
12:34 < karasz> it works and unexpectedly it closes...
12:35 < karasz> SerWou what about xmms?
12:35 < LMJ> this crap was using ~55% of my CPU
12:35 < LMJ> playing streaming MP3
12:35 < karasz> it loads, presents the gui but does not work anything, even open file dialog does not present itself...
12:36 < karasz> i see the gui but does not react to any clicks...
12:36 < karasz> but the best thing of all is that macromedia does not support x86-64
12:37 < karasz> my site administration is in flash :D )
12:37 < LMJ> sorry for you karasz
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12:37 < rxr_> karasz: flash ?
12:37 < karasz> anyway it was the time to rewrite the entire site
12:37 -!- You're now known as rxr
12:37 < karasz> yes flash
12:37 < rxr> your own ?
12:38 < karasz> i tried to install flash for firefox
12:38 < rxr> btw. AFAIK there is no 64bit flash for any OS and they said it might take quite some omre time to make their properitary junk code 64bit aware ...
12:38 < karasz> yes my own, in the sense that someone wrote it for me...
12:38 < karasz> rxr i don't think they will
12:38 < karasz> it is almost a year or so...
12:38 < rxr> well some time they have too - there is only one future, 64bit on the os
12:39 < karasz> in that time they should have done it if they wanted to..
12:39 < rxr> and some time 90% of the usual people will use linux @64bit and the Microsoft Vista DOS flavour on some 64bit aware CPU
12:39 < rxr> karasz: macrobedia stinks ...
12:39 < karasz> rxr ack
12:40 < karasz> the rewrite of the site will be flash -less
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12:48 < LMJ> heeh
12:48 < LMJ> i don't think so
12:48 < LMJ> check out the website ;)
12:49 < rxr_> url ?
12:50 < karasz> guess sf.net
12:50 * rxr_ got disconnected, anyone dares to repaste ?
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12:51 < Baldzius> f* xchat :)
12:51 < Baldzius> still has crash bug
12:51 < karasz> http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Main_Page
12:53 < LMJ> yep, this one
12:56 < rxr_> I think mnemoc already packaged it
12:57 < LMJ> yep
12:57 < karasz> players are packaged too?
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12:57 < rxr_> no idea
12:58 < rxr_> I have not tried it out
12:58 -!- You're now known as rxr
12:58 < LMJ> well, xmms could be a xmms2 client if i understand well
12:58 < LMJ> localhost music manager, am i right ?
12:58 < zod> i use xmms2 :)
12:59 < CIA-9> aldas * r14604 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-system-tools-backends/gnome-system-tools-backends.desc: * updated gnome-system-tools-backends (1.4.1 -> 1.4.2)
12:59 < zod> it's a server client structure
12:59 < zod> karasz: you don't need ruby if you don't want the ruby bindings
13:00 < morfoh> rxr: when did you changed sth. related to the "blacklisting" of radeon fb kernel module ? was it before branching 2.1 ?
13:00 < rxr> ouhm - I do not know off hand
13:00 < rxr> why do you ask ?
13:01 < morfoh> because I rebuild a kernel with radeon fb support on 2.1 and it doesn' work
13:01 < rxr> define doesn't work ...
13:02 < morfoh> rxr: black screen ... but booting and entering properly init 5
13:02 < rxr> yes that is what I saw here as well
13:02 < rxr> you explicitly enabled the radeon module ?
13:02 < morfoh> yes
13:02 < rxr> well - so you are on you own ,-)
13:03 < morfoh> even staticaly like I did on the other machine
13:03 < rxr> I know it is borken for some boxes (black screen) and that is why it should be blacklisted (on x86)
13:03 < morfoh> rxr: so you have the same problem on trunk too
13:04 < rxr> what problem?
13:04 < rxr> isn't it blacklisted to be not build ?
13:04 < LMJ> about BMPx, it needs "XINE" or "GStreamer" backend, who means "xine-lib" or "gstreamer" -> who needs a big part of the bloated Gnome packages, so i will not be able to test it
13:05 < morfoh> rxr: where do I have to look into ?
13:05 < rxr> why it is black or where to blacklist / unblacklist ?
13:05 < morfoh> rxr: I know that you removed the entry on trunk and it worked on the IBM R40 flawlessly
13:06 < morfoh> rxr: where to remove the blacklist entry
13:06 < rxr> you tell me it is broken and black screen and you want to unblacklist it ?
13:09 < morfoh> rxr: dunno ... I'm puzzled, and perhaps I shouldn't use any computer today... it's a bad day anyway
13:09 < rxr> whats bad ?
13:10 < morfoh> rxr: this f* day
13:10 < rxr> ?
13:11 < morfoh> rxr: because it starts with a phone call from my parents, for telling me that my grandma died yesterday on my bday
13:11 < rxr> oh, that is really a bad start for a day ... :-((
13:12 < morfoh> yes ... :'((
13:17 < karasz> morfoh, :(
13:17 < karasz> sorry to hear that
13:18 < karasz> condoleances
13:18 < morfoh> guess I should better do some homework, drilling some holes into the wall or sth. similar
13:18 < morfoh> karasz: thanks
13:25 < rxr> morfoh: yeah - do not drill holes in your computer equipment ...
13:25 < rxr> concolences from me as well ...
13:25 < karasz> o_O
13:25 < rxr> if you need to consume some beer or so later give me a note ... I'm around ...
13:25 < karasz> anyone knows about this...?
13:25 < karasz> http://gplflash.sourceforge.net/
13:25 < rxr> karasz: yes
13:25 < rxr> karasz: I packaged it
13:26 < rxr> but it only works basically right now
13:26 < karasz> 2 too?
13:26 < rxr> but I watch all gpl code because properitary hackery stinks to the moon and back ...
13:27 < mnemoc> moin!
13:27 < rxr> moin mnemoc!
13:27 < karasz> hello mnemoc
13:31 < mnemoc> moin rxr, karasz, morfoh!
13:31 < rxr> jsaw: btw I hack the output again right now ...
13:31 < rxr> damn cruft code ...
13:34 < sepp> moin
13:35 < mnemoc> moin sepp
13:35 < sepp> http://pastebin.com/494846 <- thats ok?
13:35 < sepp> moin mnemoc
13:36 < sepp> to apply patches in tcl_prepare_source() ...
13:38 < rxr> sepp: I have not looked what ${derpkg} is, no chance to reuse apply_patchfiles ?
13:40 < sepp> ${derpkg} is the tcl or tk, i patched the configure error away - but tcl_prepare_source() runs configure and does not apply patches
13:43 < rxr> parse-config | 17 +++++++----------
13:43 < rxr> terminal | 15 ++++-----------
13:44 < rxr> sepp: I would need to look into the package .conf
13:44 < rxr> but apply_patchfiles () contains the usual patch logic, can't it be reused ?
13:44 < mnemoc> 2-liner....
13:44 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
13:45 < mnemoc> your terminal thing was a two liner :)
13:45 < rxr> started as
13:45 < rxr> I had no idea that the underlying code was that broken
13:45 < rxr> instead bloating it I even cleaned it up during fixup ...
13:45 < morfoh> rxr: thanks
13:45 < rxr> oh - i see a regression ...
13:46 < rxr> damn - that code ia a hell to follow ...
13:46 < rxr> this code hackery tried to preserve single arguments when bridging thru the filedestriptor ...
13:46 < sepp> tk extracts tcl source and it has to patch tcl
13:46 < mnemoc> sepp: what is that??
13:47 < sepp> same with itcl, it extracts tcl and tj and both need a configure patch
13:47 < sepp> tk*
13:48 < mnemoc> sepp: .patch files must be _allways_ -p1, and autoapplied to $pkg
13:48 < mnemoc> alway*
13:48 < mnemoc> always*
13:49 < sepp> http://pastebin.com/494866 ...
13:50 < sepp> but later tk exrtacts tcl with tcl_prepare_source(), runs configure in tcl but thats has a syntax error with bash-3.1
13:51 < rxr> sepp: is adding:
13:51 < rxr> apply_patchfiles
13:51 < rxr> not enough ?
13:51 < rxr> btw the tcl/tk .conf files stink
13:52 < sepp> no - tcl_config.sh is messy
13:53 < rxr> ic that it is messy ...
13:53 < rxr> with brings the question up: why the heck is are they that dirty ...
13:53 < sepp> :)
13:53 < mnemoc> another candidate for de-custmainzion :(
13:54 < rxr> mnemoc: no custmain in there
13:54 < rxr> but dirty anyway ...
13:54 < rxr> mnemoc: mind guiding sepp to add patchery cleanly ?
13:54 * rxr still hacking output ..
13:54 < rxr> while I wanted to do uni stuff today .. :-((
13:57 < mnemoc> :(
13:57 < rxr> (core dumped) PATH="$GROFF_RUNTIME$PATH" groff -mtty-char $T $opts ${1+"$@"}
13:57 < rxr> oops ..
14:04 < rxr> damn, I can not do the multiple line removal due to ugly argument preserving hackery ...
14:05 < rxr> ok - finally
14:05 < rxr> now it looks ok
14:06 < rxr> mnemoc: have you seen my error truncation to screen width hackery ?
14:07 < mnemoc> i haven't used trunk this week
14:07 < mnemoc> what should i do?
14:08 < rxr> I added it last night
14:08 < rxr> when you was cycling home ...
14:08 < rxr> I asked what kind of grave hack I are allowed to apply to optimize error printout ..
14:08 < rxr> the hack was only tiny, e.g. the ugly think I tried first did not work out anyway ...
14:09 < rxr> when a package fails the error is not truncated hardly anymore but according to screen width
14:09 < rxr> which is often more than 80 columns for me ...
14:09 < rxr> and also it is truncated less, formerly overly many chars have been stripped, even on 80 column terminals ...
14:09 < rxr> svn up and let a package fail . ..
14:09 < demian> hi
14:09 < rxr> however best wait for my output plugin stuff fix in some seconds ...
14:09 < rxr> hi demian
14:10 < demian> sepp: u were using e17 with t2 trunk ?
14:11 < sepp> yup
14:11 < CIA-9> rene * r14605 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
14:11 < CIA-9> * fixed output plugin (once again) so that the calle passes the data,
14:11 < CIA-9> needed for sandbox builds since the output plugin does not have the
14:11 < CIA-9> actual sandbox prefix ahand but fix the quoting code to hopefully
14:11 < CIA-9> work reliable
14:13 < mnemoc> :)
14:15 < rxr> so the cases where I saw umatched quotes work fine with this code ...
14:15 < mnemoc> and the cases without?
14:15 < rxr> just to mention it again, the code was broken before, but due to hardcoding the terminal output before the plugin handler passed out of the sandbox with tricky quoting it was not noticed before ...
14:16 < rxr> mnemoc: the error-less builds still work ...
14:16 < mnemoc> great :)
14:16 * rxr now wating for the next to find an issue with the output plugin multiplexer ...
14:17 < rxr> mnemoc: the new linux26mm patch contains a .orig diff chunk that fails to apply because we let out patch create .orig files - I now print out echo_error in the package to remeber to check if the next patch is fixed up so that the -z .prev or what I added patch hackery can be removed again ...
14:18 < rxr> I hope you do not slap me for that ...
14:18 < LMJ> lol
14:18 < mnemoc> sed hackery to remove the patch against .orig ?
14:18 < rxr> mnemoc: sed hackery to match a whole chunk ?
14:19 < rxr> I have other homework to do ..
14:20 < mnemoc> :)
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14:37 < karasz> seems like today is not my day either... :(
14:37 < karasz> guess i'll go home
14:37 < mnemoc> karasz: ??
14:37 < karasz> no T2 related code today :(
14:38 < karasz> i have programed mdf2iso for today, but i guess it'll have to wait till monday
14:38 < karasz> sorry :(
14:39 < mnemoc> :'(
14:39 < karasz> i dunno about claws...
14:39 < mnemoc> ??
14:39 < karasz> i'm kinda scared about the amount of patches for sylpheed...
14:40 < karasz> if claws require the same somebody else must package it
14:40 < karasz> i will try monday perhaps claws will not require that amount of hackering...
14:41 < karasz> don't worry mnemoc i'm not givin' up
14:41 < mnemoc> good :)
14:41 < karasz> usless apps will come for me from now on...
14:42 < karasz> mdf2iso is the first, commin' on moday for sure
14:42 * mnemoc slaps lazy karasz
14:42 * karasz ouch
14:42 < demian> Downloading eclipse:download/mirror/e/eclipse-source...
14:43 < demian> 1.7Gb collected...
14:43 < karasz> btw mnemoc how busy is your monday?
14:44 < mnemoc> i'll have to go to santiago (capital) on the morning, no idea when (hour) i'll return
14:44 < karasz> i tend on tickering with a new target....
14:45 < karasz> something like ultra-minimal-postgresql-8.1.1 with auto-install....
14:45 < mnemoc> :)
14:45 < karasz> do you think that is too much for my level?
14:45 < karasz> should i wait more?
14:46 < mnemoc> nah
14:46 < mnemoc> that's the way to learn
14:46 < karasz> :)
14:46 < karasz> ok then
14:46 < CIA-9> rene * r14606 /trunk/package/develop/git/git.desc: * updated git (2005-11-11 -> 1.0.7)
14:46 < karasz> all you guys and girls have a nice weekend
14:46 < karasz> or what is left from it
14:46 < karasz> cu all on monday
14:46 < karasz> bye
14:47 < morfoh> bye karasz
14:47 < CIA-9> amery * r14607 /trunk/package/network/asterisk/asterisk.desc: * updated asterisk (1.0.9 -> 1.2.1)
14:47 < morfoh> :)
14:48 < demian> jvargas@spica:~/t2/2.1/trunk> ./scripts/Download -list-missing | wc -l
14:48 < demian> 1044
14:48 < demian> jvargas@spica:~/t2/2.1/trunk>
14:48 < mnemoc> morfoh: what web interfaces you know for the 'VoIP gateway' target?
14:48 < demian> i already have 1.7Gb.. how much the default desktop target packages download weights?
14:49 < morfoh> mnemoc: mom ... already phoning ... brb
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14:49 < mnemoc> :\
14:49 < mnemoc> wb sepp_
14:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: there was a zope/plone based web interface but I don't remember the name
14:51 < morfoh> btw, how is the name of the "VoIP target" ?
14:51 < mnemoc> http://www.contentmanagementsoftware.info/zope/asterisk-zTrix, down :(
14:51 < mnemoc> no name yet :p
14:52 < CIA-9> aldas * r14608 /trunk/package/security/chkrootkit/ (4 files):
14:52 < CIA-9> * updated chkrootkit (0.45 -> 0.46a)
14:52 < CIA-9> * removed head.patch - obsolete
14:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'm confident that a name will come out of you
14:53 < mnemoc> first a mnemosyne customization, then a target :)
14:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack
14:59 < sepp_> hello :)
15:00 < morfoh> hi sepp_
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15:02 < rxr> checking ffmpeg ... Former build was broken. Added.
15:03 < rxr> `- ah! that is my my ppc64 vlc build keeps failing ...
15:10 < demian> umm..
15:11 < demian> how is possible to have revisions from 14573 to 14608 with no changes to the repos? t2's 2.1 trunk.
15:11 < rxr> demian: what do you mean ?
15:13 < demian> i updated my t2 2.1 trunk's working copy.. wanted to see last changes but i noticed that svn diff -r 14608:BASE shows no changes.
15:13 < rxr> demian: revisions are per repository
15:13 < rxr> it is likely that range just has changes in the /trunk/
15:14 < demian> ah.. i though i was using a single repos..
15:14 < demian> forget it then, thanks :p
15:17 < rxr> gcc: /usr/lib64/../lib64/.libs/libstdc++.so: No such file or directory
15:17 < rxr> `- how much do we want libtool to die today >
15:18 < mnemoc> :D
15:28 < jsaw> rxr: if it has .libs in the path, the one of the .la files is most probably not installed correctly (see variable "installed=no")
15:28 < jsaw> rxr: should be "installed=yes"
15:29 < rxr> jsaw: hi, can you test if you can get the output plugin stuff to break ?>
15:29 < jsaw> rxr: it happened e.g. with attr and acl package, where we manually copy the .la files ...
15:29 < jsaw> jsaw: currently I do not see any error :)
15:29 < jsaw> huh
15:29 < jsaw> rxr: currently I do not see any error :)
15:30 < jsaw> rxr: also error output shows up correctly
15:32 < jsaw> forgot sth., have to go on shopping tour again...
15:32 < rxr> and an wider then it did in the past I hope, usually exactly filling the terminal ...
15:32 < jsaw> bbl
15:32 < rxr> cu jsaw
16:01 < CIA-9> rene * r14609 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/mesa.conf: * fixed mesa compatibility symlinks, should fix at least wxwidgets
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16:09 < rxr_> who had problems with vlc ?
16:11 < rxr_> karasz: you had problems building vlc ?
16:11 < rxr_> karasz: was it: ld: cannot find -lX11
16:11 < rxr_> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
16:11 < rxr_> ?
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16:42 < rxr_> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/68099
16:43 < rxr_> `- noone can tell me they need all this money and hardware ...
16:46 < sepp> :)
16:46 < morfoh> rxr_: hmmmm ... more than $500.000 planned budget ...
16:48 < mnemoc> 'bandwidth'
16:48 < rxr_> that can't be that expensive ...
16:48 < mnemoc> you need a good house to plug that bandwidth
16:48 < morfoh> I think one rack with 42U costs about $250/month in a collocation facility
16:49 < mnemoc> and a cool car, and your own datacenter...
16:49 < mnemoc> on the backyard
16:49 < morfoh> with gigabit connectivity ... but without traffic
16:49 < rxr_> I also need a house pool, weekend house, etc ...
16:49 < rxr_> ok - t2 planned budget is 500.000 EUR next year
16:50 < mnemoc> of course, you don't want stressed sysadmins
16:50 < rxr_> let's start collecting ...
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16:50 < veki> hi
16:50 < mnemoc> i offer my paypal account for donations
16:50 < rxr_> mnemoc: heh
16:50 < morfoh> hi veki ... old bat
16:51 < rxr_> maybe we should register t2 as NPO this year ...
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16:52 < mnemoc> NPO?
16:52 < morfoh> rxr_: this would be absolutely necessary if you want to collect bigger donations
16:52 < rxr_> non profit org.
16:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: non for profit
16:52 < sepp> if we install tcl{Math,Int,IntDecls}.h from tcl we can get rid of all the tcl/tk noise
16:52 < mnemoc> sepp: so, install them
16:53 < mnemoc> rxr_: t2-foundation.org
16:53 < morfoh> rxr_: where do you want to register ?
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16:53 < veki> this may be good idea. But, this requires some legal work in terms of registration, contracts etc.
16:53 < rxr> morfoh: germany ...
16:54 < veki> it i sgood to check how things go with taxes in some jurisdictions on a country level
16:54 < morfoh> rxr: then I guess we've to register an association (Verein)
16:54 < mnemoc> we have a permanent location on holland too, is that easier?
16:54 < rxr> KDE also collects donations as KDE e.V. in Germany ...
16:55 < rxr> morfoh: of course e.V. ...
16:55 < veki> it is good to register foundation i.e. stiftung
16:55 < mnemoc> e.V.?
16:55 < rxr> mnemoc: a german thing ...
16:55 < morfoh> rxr: yep
16:55 < rxr> mnemoc: "eingetragener Verein"
16:55 < mnemoc> rxr: a german thing which means... ?
16:55 < rxr> mnemoc: I was typing ...
16:55 < veki> it is good in the NEtherlands too, but as far as I know it is good to chekc how things go with taxes, fiancial and legal handling of money, contracts etc.
16:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: what means "registred association" or so
16:56 < rxr> mnemoc: "a registered non profit organization" form here, in Germany
16:56 < mnemoc> e.V. means auctions?
16:56 < veki> I was recently invovled in discussion of one US donor to establish foundation in the Netherlands and that is not always so trivial thing because there are many legals picky things
16:56 < rxr> mnemoc: e.V. means "engetragener Verein"
16:56 < mnemoc> yes, but in practice?
16:57 < rxr> direct translated that is: "registered organization"
16:57 < morfoh> rxr: we've to be at least 7 founding members
16:57 < rxr> people or companies can donate and get a tax return for that donation - among other things ...
16:57 < veki> in practice, t is good to check which legal form of organisation is thebest from the financial and legal point of view
16:57 < rxr> morfoh: are you sure?
16:57 < mnemoc> rxr, valentin, jsaw, sepp, minto, mnemoc, ...
16:57 < morfoh> rxr: yes
16:57 < mnemoc> lars :)
16:57 < mnemoc> susan!
16:57 < rxr> morfoh: my neighbour runs a e.V. and they are 3 or 4 or so ...
16:58 < rxr> morfoh: or just initial, with just 3 or so permananet ?
16:58 < morfoh> rxr: really ?
16:58 < rxr> morfoh: well, anyway I can ask her at a tea about details ..
16:58 < rxr> morfoh: they have some india health support s.th. e.V.
16:58 < veki> do members must be of teh same citizenship where organisation is registered
16:58 < rxr> she studied medicine and musics ...
16:58 < morfoh> rxr: yep ... I visit a friend this evening who was founding member of an "e.V." too
16:58 < rxr> veki: of course not ...
16:59 < rxr> veki: oh
16:59 < rxr> veki: well for a German e.V. most probably founding people neeed to be in .de ...
16:59 < morfoh> rxr: I think so
16:59 < rxr> registering some other non profit org. is no problem either, but I fear it is not possible to register one in the US from without germany
16:59 < veki> that is good, but I have NGO here in Serbia where I am presdient of theboard and it is not always easy to handle all grants from abroad.
16:59 < rxr> KDE operates with the e.V. world wide as well
17:00 < rxr> we could ask them for details
17:00 < veki> if you kknow good lawyer this may be helpful
17:00 < rxr> e.g. if companies from any country would ge the tax return benefit when donating to a german e.V. ...
17:00 < morfoh> rxr I'd like to ommit thinking about the U.S.
17:00 < rxr> morfoh: ack ...
17:00 < veki> good lawyer can inform you on that, it i ssomtimes very complex
17:01 < veki> I was recently involved in one seminar awhere we have been taught on those issues and I am sure that good advise of lawyer is necessary.
17:01 < morfoh> rxr: anyhow ... it should be no problem to get together 7 founding members
17:01 < rxr> PLUGIN_PATH="${ac_tool_prefix}/lib/vlc"
17:01 < rxr> AC_SUBST(PLUGIN_PATH)
17:01 < rxr> `- vlc
17:02 < rxr> now that I call lib64 aware ...
17:02 < morfoh> veki: I guess you were teached by a lawyer :)
17:02 < rxr> those could even have used $libdir and would be on a safer side ...
17:02 < veki> It i snot problem to find members, but how to handle money, contracts, audits etc.
17:02 < morfoh> veki: ack
17:02 < veki> morfoh: oh, yes, but waht I realised is that audits can make you troubles if you do not knwo all legal things well
17:03 < rxr> heh: PLUGIN_PATH="${ac_tool_prefix}/lib/vlc"
17:03 < rxr> I should start doing uni stuff to prevent increasing headache ...
17:03 < veki> for example, foreign organisation can establish foundation in teh Netherlands without employees, with bank account etc. but there are some other restrictions on proving the realization of projects before audits etc.
17:05 < morfoh> veki: we don't want to do money laundering or any kind of smuggeling forbidden things ... ;)
17:05 < morfoh> .oO( I hope so )o
17:05 < morfoh> :)
17:05 < veki> for example, we got here recently one machine as dontaion from the company Genesi, and we payed taxes as profit organisation though we did not have had to. Actually, our custom clearance agency and teh Ministrfor Economic Affairs with Foreign Countries did not knwo the law and we payed what we have had not
17:06 < veki> of course, that you do not want to do anything bad, but audits ddo not care about our beliefs, emotions, ideological statements etc. they do care only about papers
17:06 < mnemoc> sepp: and use match_source_file -p to get the tarball to extract
17:07 < rxr> veki: you are in .nl ?
17:07 < veki> no, I am in Serbia, but i was recently diswcussin those issues with experienced guys from nl and usa
17:08 < morfoh> veki: sponsored by george soros ?
17:08 < veki> no
17:08 < sepp> mnemoc: i got rid of extracting tcl source code again and again with installing these 3 header files
17:08 < morfoh> you really know ?
17:08 < rxr> karasz: I would have a vlc 64bit patch mostly done now
17:08 < mnemoc> sepp: :D
17:09 < veki> it was indeopendent ngo establishing its branch in nl
17:09 < rxr> karasz: test build running on ppc64
17:10 < veki> nl is good in that as in germany is stiftung if my spelling is good, but it is good to be precise and ask good lawyer about that
17:10 < morfoh> veki: a "Stifftung" is different from a "Verein" !
17:11 < veki> yes, but stifftung is as foundation, Verein is civic association if my memory is well
17:11 < mnemoc> or rene's cute neighbor
17:11 < rxr> cute ?
17:11 < veki> I do not say that one legal form is better than teh other. What I am saying is that good legal advise may be very helpful
17:11 < morfoh> veki: a "Stiftung" is mostly used here by rich people to "opptimize" their taxes
17:12 < mnemoc> rxr: spiritually? :(
17:12 < veki> yes, but you can ask IBM and others to "optimize" their taxes in your benefit
17:13 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/tcltk.patch
17:16 < veki> morfoh: non-profit work is serious business as it is anything that requires contracts, money etc. what we do is not cheap and (un)fortunately it requires money which consequently invokes legal things such as accounting, contracts, audit reports etc.
17:16 < morfoh> veki: no doubt about that
17:17 < veki> for example, European Community in theri contracts keep right to revisit receivers documentation in teh period of 7 years and they can in that period require return of money
17:17 < mnemoc> sepp: +hook_add postinstall 3 "ln -vsf libtk8.4.so $libdir/libtk.so" <--- no hardcoded please
17:17 < mnemoc> sepp: same for wish, use $( pkgprefix ver foo )
17:18 < sepp> mnemoc: i know - that was just my lame test
17:18 < morfoh> veki: of course ... if you want to play with devil you'll need a "contract"
17:18 < veki> since that is crazy I never apply for their money. so I f**k off them. Such a thing may be affodabel only by rich orgnisations whether they are Verein or Stifftung
17:18 < veki> ah, yes, I have had so far more than 20 contracts and some contractors are easy, while some are pain in the ass
17:19 < morfoh> veki: I guess it depends on more political issues
17:19 < veki> a good friend of mine got huge money from European Comission and they were late in payments for a couple of months which merely ruined his work and organisation.
17:20 < sepp> how should i cut of the .patchlevel?
17:20 < veki> thus, if you wnat to go on the other side of the river you should swim although river is very cold, but however, it s good to choose where to enter the river and how and
17:21 < veki> I think that there is no better alternative. I am glad that you think on establishing Verein or Stifftung, whatever, but we should be aware of all possibilitues and traps we are not aware off
17:24 < veki> I am sure that there is certain agency which may helpi giving advise, but I will check and let you know
17:24 < mnemoc> agency==no $$ ?
17:26 < veki> I think that they can give advise free of charge as a sort of "help for the development of civil society", but I will check. A good friend of mine was director here fo teh centre for the development of non-profit sector and I think that he know resources for that in Europe and worldwide
17:39 < veki> morfoh: you can check www.efc.be I think that they can give some useful information
17:40 < rxr> so - cebit contact mail sent out
17:40 * rxr praying as usual to be able to attend ...
17:40 < rxr> so vlc now up and running on the ppc64 ...
17:41 < rxr> the new vlc controller looks quite pretty ...
17:41 < morfoh> veki: thx for the info, but I guess we need a lot more discussion before starting sth. like that seriously ... but anyhow ... link is bookmarked
17:44 < veki> morfoh: oh yes, it is VERY important to discuss in details, sice when contracts and money come there should not be any confusions, dilemmas etc. since consequences may be serious. I have had that experience. guys wanted to be enromously paid , they asked 7000 EURs for installing subversion on 6 machines, and sin ce I have signed contract I have had to do it alone since I could not afford 7000 EURs for such a work. I think that 7000 EURs is too much for such a th
17:45 < morfoh> veki: of course it's too much if we're talking about 6 svn installations
17:45 < CIA-9> rene * r14610 /trunk/package/multimedia/vlc/ (lib64.patch vlc.conf vlc.desc):
17:45 < CIA-9> * fixed vlc to use the corrent plugin path on lib64 systems and use
17:45 < CIA-9> the gcc wrapper to help it cope with X11/lib64 directories
17:47 < veki> morfoh: yes, they looked very serious in expressing their willingness to particpate in civic association work but when money arrived their appetites became higher
17:47 < rxr> karasz: vlc in trunk should build now for x86-64 (at least it does for ppc64 ...)
17:48 < rxr> I think it is pretty clear a T2 e.V. will nto people to work on t2 or su but pay stuff needed for fairs and other representations as well as infrastructure work
17:48 < rxr> * not pay people *
17:48 < morfoh> rxr: yep
17:48 < mnemoc> be/go pida
17:48 < rxr> and/or traveling costs for talks or other related things ...
17:48 < mnemoc> err
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17:49 < veki> morfoh: money is devil, thus it isimportant to be clear at the very beginning and have that i written form
17:49 < rxr> if even ever too much money is there T2 Con related stuff like a free Coke ,-)
17:49 < rxr> mnemoc: yah - I know you demand treveling costs for the this years CeBIT presentation ...
17:49 < veki> I agree
17:49 < rxr> noted ...
17:49 < mnemoc> what?
17:49 < rxr> 17:48 < rxr> and/or traveling costs for talks or other related things ...
17:49 < rxr> 17:48 < mnemoc> err
17:50 < mnemoc> i don't demand anything
17:50 < LMJ> i had an idea the other day, sell a computer with a graphic-oriented t2 on it + OSS graphic softwares to dumb graphist people, and kill Mac ;-D
17:50 < mnemoc> [14:49:42] be/go pida
17:50 < mnemoc> [14:49:43] err
17:50 < nzg> moin
17:50 < mnemoc> ^--- err was about the wrong irssi command
17:50 < mnemoc> wb nzg
17:50 < veki> hi
17:50 < rxr> mnemoc: heh
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17:51 < rxr> mnemoc: last year this chile linux profersional whatever people have been on the cebit ...
17:51 < rxr> mnemoc: do you rember?
17:51 < rxr> mnemoc: any chance you get a cheaper filght with them in a group ?
17:51 < mnemoc> eduardo kaftanzki from linux center (redhat chile)
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17:53 < mnemoc> [14:52:28] eduardo kaftanzki from linux center (redhat chile)
17:53 < mnemoc> [14:53:06] ehm, i doubt :(
17:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: didn't you had a nice time with his sister ? :p
17:53 < rxr_> heh
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17:53 * mnemoc slaps morfoh
17:54 < rxr_> mnemoc: I do not talk about he paying your flight - just some discount group ticket whatsoever is possible at airlines ...
17:54 < veki> :-)
17:54 < mnemoc> half-sister
17:54 * morfoh asks: why does mnemoc slaps me ?
17:54 * rxr_ hates this Linkssys AP - the munched Linux software routing is awful
17:54 < ojh> rxr: Hi
17:54 < rxr_> hi ojh
17:54 < morfoh> hi ojh
17:54 < veki> quit
17:54 < mnemoc> rxr_: i can ask, but i doubt anyway
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17:55 < rxr_> mnemoc: just ask if they attend CeBIT and if yes to flight together if that would decrease overall costs ...
17:55 < rxr_> if he is not too awful ....
17:55 < rxr_> only talked to him shortly so no idea ...
17:59 < rxr_> cool - cpufreq scaling for my G5 I think on the powerpc list ...
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18:10 < CIA-9> aldas * r14611 /trunk/package/graphic/djvulibre/ (djvulibre.desc gcc-4.0.patch no_x-desktop.patch):
18:10 < CIA-9> * updated djvulibre (3.5.14 -> 3.5.16)
18:10 < CIA-9> * added no_x-desktop.patch - to avoid shared files conflict with
18:10 < CIA-9> kdelibs
18:10 < CIA-9> * removed gcc-4.0.patch - obsolete
18:11 < Baldzius> sh!t :)
18:13 < Baldzius> hi master of cakes, hi mnemoc :)
18:13 < morfoh> Baldzius: hi gun master
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18:15 < morfoh> Baldzius: if you want you can check freeradius on your trunk ref too
18:15 < mnemoc> pre0....
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18:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: ?
18:17 < mnemoc> is that like a pre-alpha or pre-beta or pre-release_candidate?
18:17 < morfoh> pre-release
18:17 < Baldzius> morfoh: i am out of space :) can't have ref builds for now
18:17 < mnemoc> :)
18:19 < Baldzius> can't find courage to delete gentoo partition :)
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18:42 < CIA-9> aldas * r14613 /trunk/package/www/links/ (links.conf links.desc): * updated links (2.1pre19 -> 2.1pre20)
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18:55 < mnemoc> o.o
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18:56 < veki> hi
18:56 < veki> o.o
18:56 < mnemoc> hi veki
18:56 * mnemoc wonders which is the real rene
18:56 < veki> so rene does have copies of itself?
18:56 < veki> or himself:-)
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19:01 < demian> a good scheduler (like outlook's.. better of course) for linux, not kde ?
19:01 < nzg> demian: evolution maybe?
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19:07 < demian> ok.
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19:10 < demian> someone here have used trac ?
19:10 < mnemoc> trac.t2-project.org?
19:12 < rxr> mnemoc: with http*:// it produces a link in the .html log for google ..
19:12 < rxr> rehi
19:12 < mnemoc> http://trac.t2-project.org?
19:12 < mnemoc> wb rxr
19:13 < mnemoc> rxr: did you got my 8 lines on query?
19:13 < mnemoc> get*
19:14 < demian> nice.
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19:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: this PATH_MAX issue was merged into 2.1 branch ... it's not complaining while build 2.1.1
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19:19 < misl> hi folks :)
19:19 < demian> wb misl
19:19 < morfoh> hi misl
19:19 < misl> morfoh: how was you bday?
19:19 < mnemoc> morfoh: what?
19:19 < mnemoc> morfoh: i have built 6 mini-mnemosynes on diet today
19:19 < misl> I sang here for you yesterday. :D
19:20 < morfoh> misl: I can imagine ... thanks a lot
19:21 < mnemoc> morfoh was on $topic yesterday :)
19:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: really ... sorry that I missed that
19:30 < morfoh> [20:19:55] morfoh: i have built 6 mini-mnemosynes on diet today <-- and you didn't told me before ?
19:31 < mnemoc> i'm cleaning detilibc/*, so i need to test
19:31 < morfoh> guess the price for beeing able to build a diet target was, that we screwed up the rest
19:32 < mnemoc> nah
19:32 < mnemoc> i haven't commit that to 2.1
19:32 < mnemoc> i test on 2.1 and commit to trunk :p
19:32 < morfoh> bad boy
19:35 < rxr> oh
19:35 < rxr> our svn log graphs stoped regenerating
19:37 < rxr> Segmentation fault (core dumped) ploticus -png -o $basename.png $basename.pl
19:37 < rxr> ouhm
19:37 < mnemoc> o.o
19:37 < rxr> guess it wants the overlapping lines finally split up by year ...
19:38 < mnemoc> but segfault??
19:38 < rxr> ploticus it not the cleaned piece of code
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19:38 < rxr> I already removed one sub-project because the input made it segfault ...
19:42 < rxr> (gdb) bt
19:42 < rxr> #0 0x401a66aa in mallopt () from /lib/libc.so.6
19:42 < rxr> #1 0x401a57c3 in malloc () from /lib/libc.so.6
19:42 < rxr> #2 0x401675d5 in qsort () from /lib/libc.so.6
19:44 < misl> mnemoc: I did a lot of arch optimized 2.1 minimal building. All build for amd64 succeeded, but all others stopped at about the 13th package :(
19:45 < misl> I am not sure if it where cross builds or not. Have to wait for noisy to come up again to find out.
19:45 < morfoh> misl: other arch ?
19:45 < sepp> mm=`pkgprefix ver tcl | cut -d . -f 1-2` <- hmm that does not work
19:45 < sepp> how is it supposed to be?
19:45 < misl> morfoh: I tried every available arch
19:45 < mnemoc> misl: 1-sysfiles is the last package on stage 1
19:46 < morfoh> did you enabled cross-compiling ?
19:46 < mnemoc> sepp: 1.2.3.4.5 -> 1.2
19:46 < misl> morfoh: I am not sure, I just started what I prepared over a week ago
19:46 < mnemoc> uhm.... '\.' ?
19:46 < morfoh> there is a checkbox in Config
19:46 < misl> I will check tomorrow :)
19:47 < sepp> i mean `pkgprefix ver tcl` returns "pkgprefix: package tcl is not present" in tcl
19:47 < morfoh> misl: ok :)
19:47 < mnemoc> sepp: if you are on tcl, use $ver to get tcl's version
19:47 < sepp> ok, thanks :)
19:47 < mnemoc> sepp: on other packages use pkgprefix
19:48 < misl> morfoh: I know about the checkbox, but I think I hack the config file :) with a sed command to speed up changes multiple configs
19:48 < mnemoc> like tk
19:48 < sepp> mnemoc: ok i got it
19:48 < mnemoc> :)
19:48 < mnemoc> good
19:49 < rxr> hm - with less data it does not crash ...
19:49 < rxr> C code ...
19:50 < mnemoc> i told you to split it :p
19:51 < morfoh> ohoh
19:52 < rxr> I always tell not to write code in C
19:53 < mnemoc> #include
19:53 < morfoh> rxr: some other tell not to write C++
19:54 < rxr> who? Linus or Miguel Icaza ... ?
19:54 < morfoh> fefe
19:54 < rxr> muhahaha ...
19:54 < morfoh> why are you sounding like a cow ?
19:54 < rxr> I can not count on my hands the segfault cases he has in his embutils/mount.c ...
19:54 < mnemoc> :D
19:55 < morfoh> rxr: you know ... good software needs time to evolve ... so don't blame the poor guy
19:56 < ojh> rxr: mnemoc: The language does not make the programmer. You can write bad code in "safe" languages and air tight code in "low-level" languages.
19:56 < rxr> hm svn up from 12xxx to HEAD takes some time - even without latency on exactcode.de
19:56 < rxr> ojh: yes, ack
19:56 < mnemoc> rxr: imagine from chile
19:57 < rxr> # ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -debug -deps=none ploticus
19:57 < rxr> checking ploticus ... Installed and up-to-date.
19:57 < rxr> mnemoc: we code too fast ..
19:58 < mnemoc> :)
19:59 < ojh> rxr: I have released the first functional release of the ZDE project. Its a "technology preview" release. http://zirconium.xisystems.net/
20:03 < morfoh> ojh: but you ripped of the Zope Logo ;)
20:04 < ojh> ??????? I have never looked at Zope - Its a completely origonal design!!!!!!
20:05 < mnemoc> zope is great
20:05 < mnemoc> your logo is fraud :p
20:06 < morfoh> ojh: sorry that I "teased" mnemoc, but at least the 2 logos are looking quite similar
20:06 < ojh> The logo is by no means idintical, simular - a Z on a circular background.
20:06 < mnemoc> very close to identical :p
20:07 < mnemoc> same Z, different rotation, on a circular background
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20:07 < morfoh> ojh: guess you ever visited zope.org
20:09 < sepp> hmmm ruby-tk is still working so i have not destroyed tcl/tk :)
20:09 < mnemoc> how is that an argument against the logo similarities?
20:12 < ojh> mnemoc: Point taken, a more origonal logo needed. Perhaps something dimond shaped, like a cubic-zirconium gem stone.
20:13 < mnemoc> ojh: :)
20:15 < ojh> mnemoc: Well at least I am getting a bit if practice with Inkscape . . .
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20:18 < mnemoc> :)
20:22 < sepp> + install -m 644 ../generic/tcl{Math,Int,IntDecls}.h $includedir
20:22 < sepp> oops
20:22 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/tcltk.patch ok now?
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20:26 < jsaw> sepp: trying it now
20:28 < jsaw> sepp: but it is not a bash related patch...
20:28 < jsaw> sepp: these are stray quotes
20:28 < jsaw> sepp: it is only that the new bash detects them
20:29 < sepp> well, yes
20:29 < jsaw> sepp: so, name them "stray-quotes-fix.patch" or so,
20:29 < jsaw> sepp: then you can commit
20:29 < jsaw> ok no
20:29 < jsaw> wait
20:29 < jsaw> tk.conf: to be sure I think u should prepend $root in front of $bindir etal
20:30 < demian> how can i send a mail from console indicating the subject and smtp server ?
20:30 < sepp> ln -vsf $root/$bindir/wish$mm $root/$bindir/wish ?
20:31 < jsaw> no
20:31 < jsaw> only the last argument
20:31 < jsaw> ln -vsf /$bindir/wish$mm $root/$bindir/wish
20:31 < jsaw> *IIRC*
20:32 < jsaw> (tcl.conf also)
20:32 < sepp> yes
20:39 < jsaw> tcl flist looks fine
20:39 < jsaw> commit it!
20:40 < sepp> with: ln -vsf /$bindir/tclsh$mm $root/$bindir/tclsh; ln -vsf /$libdir/libtcl$mm.so $root/$libdir/libtcl.so etc?
20:40 < jsaw> yep
20:40 < jsaw> whatever goes wrong can be still fixed :)
20:40 < sepp> whats the $root for btw?
20:41 < jsaw> in case you do cross compile
20:41 < sepp> ahh ok
20:42 < jsaw> demian: mail
20:42 < jsaw> ?
20:43 < jsaw> package mailx
20:44 < jsaw> don't remember really
20:44 < jsaw> demian: yes, it's "mail"
20:44 < demian> jsaw:i see no way in 'mailx' how to specify server
20:45 < demian> smtp server.
20:47 < sepp> hmm with `ln -vsf /$bindir/tclsh$mm $root/$bindir/tclsh` i get /usr/bin/tclsh -> //usr/bin/tclsh8.4
20:47 < jsaw> hmmm
20:49 < jsaw> omit the first slash
20:49 < jsaw> ln -vsf $bindir/tclsh$mm $root/$bindir/tclsh
20:51 < jsaw> yes, that's right
20:51 < sepp> :)
20:52 < jsaw> bindir etal is sometimes set incorrectly, but as long as scripts/functions.in does it, there's the / in front
20:53 < demian> i hate sendmail
20:54 < jsaw> demian: why not using nullmailer?
20:55 < demian> what's that ?
20:55 < jsaw> [I] Simple relay-only mail transport agent
20:56 < jsaw> If you need more, use sth. else, like qmail for example
20:56 < CIA-9> sebastian * r14614 /trunk/package/base/tcl/ (stray-quotes.patch tcl.conf tcl.desc tcl_config.sh):
20:56 < CIA-9> * updated tcl (8.4.9 -> 8.4.12)
20:56 < CIA-9> * reworked tcl config
20:56 < demian> i just want to send mails, not receive..
20:56 < jsaw> so, use nullmailer
20:57 < mnemoc> ack, nullmailer is for you
20:57 < CIA-9> sebastian * r14615 /trunk/package/x11/tk/ (stray-quotes.patch tk.conf tk.desc): * updated tk (8.4.10 -> 8.4.12)
20:57 < mnemoc> nullmailer 1.0.1 support smtp-auth :)
20:58 < CIA-9> sebastian * r14616 /trunk/package/develop/itcl/ (itcl.conf stray-quotes.patch): * removed old tcl config code
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21:13 < jsaw> sepp: looks good, tcl seems to work also on x86-64
21:13 < sepp> good :)
21:14 < mnemoc> sepp: thanks for the cleanup
21:15 < sepp> ;)
21:16 < mnemoc> sepp: http://svn.exactcode.de/ :D
21:17 < sepp> ???
21:17 < sepp> you mean i should look for more such alien config things?
21:20 < jsaw> YEAH
21:22 < mnemoc> nah, the graph :)
21:22 < jsaw> no no no, look for the alien config things... ;)
21:22 < mnemoc> :D
21:22 < mnemoc> jsaw: do you want to hunt for the glibc-based fl_wrapper on dietlibc-only enviroment?
21:24 < mnemoc> .oO( where is jsaw? )o
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21:27 < CIA-9> amery * r14617 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf: * changed dietlibc to set (and use) $includedir
21:28 * jsaw disappears when he hears glib|libtool|auto.*
21:28 * jsaw disappears when he hears glibc|libtool|auto.*
21:28 < jsaw> ups
21:29 < sepp> hehehe
21:29 < mnemoc> i haven't say those ugly words :)
21:29 < jsaw> you said glibc
21:29 < sepp> what about more bad words like "gnome" ?
21:29 < mnemoc> it's a dietlibc issue :)
21:29 < mnemoc> *G*
21:29 < jsaw> I have to admit that I like the look and feel of gnome
21:29 * jsaw hides
21:29 < mnemoc> jsaw: do you want to hunt for the non-dietlibc-based fl_wrapper on dietlibc-only enviroment?
21:30 < jsaw> mnemoc: if I had a working setup (which includes email) I'd say, send me the config...
21:30 * mnemoc use xfce + taskbar plugin, so the footbar use the whole window, and not topbar
21:30 < sepp> i really like when they swap yes/no all the time
21:30 < sepp> gtk ...
21:30 < jsaw> I like topbar...
21:30 < jsaw> sorry
21:31 < jsaw> anyway
21:31 < mnemoc> jsaw: i can upload it to a http:// :)
21:31 < jsaw> good, do so
21:31 < jsaw> I'll have a look at
21:31 < jsaw> it
21:34 < jsaw> btw, currently I'm running e17
21:34 < mnemoc> :)
21:34 < jsaw> (I'm waiting for a generic compilation to finish...)
21:34 < sepp> and?
21:34 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/sedu_config
21:35 < sepp> i like e17 a lot
21:35 < mnemoc> jsaw: try on 2.1 if you don't want to fight 1-perl
21:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: ?
21:35 < jsaw> mnemoc: I'll go the hard way...
21:35 < mnemoc> :D
21:35 < mnemoc> in that case i'll give my current diff to dietlibc/pkg_perl
21:36 < jsaw> gimme
21:36 < jsaw> sepp: I like e17 too, but it's not really usable (in terms of configuration) yet
21:37 < sepp> ahh yes there is no gui for menu editing or so :/
21:37 < jsaw> and not enough .eap files
21:37 < jsaw> I don't want to do my own...
21:39 < rxr> n8 all
21:39 < rxr> have to sleep
21:39 < rxr> still too much uni stuff on the todo for tomorrow
21:39 < sepp> good night rxr
21:40 < rxr> n8 sepp
21:43 < jsaw> cu rxr
21:43 < jsaw> mnemoc: where's the pkg_perl?
21:44 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/dietminiperl.diff
21:44 < mnemoc> sleep well rxr
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21:48 < jsaw> mnemoc: the first thing I can see is, that BUILDCC does not seem to be prefixed with diet
21:48 < jsaw> or is it?
21:48 < mnemoc> BUILDCC=cc --> /usr/bin/cc --> diet wrapper
21:49 < jsaw> ic
21:49 < mnemoc> less intrusive than hacking BUILDCC
21:50 < jsaw> ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg diet
21:50 < jsaw> let's see ;)
21:50 < mnemoc> my config?
21:50 < jsaw> yep
21:50 < mnemoc> it's a mini-lightweight-mnemosyne
21:51 < mnemoc> just for test purposes
21:52 < mnemoc> i'll keep cleaning dietlibc.conf
21:52 * jsaw wants some install-time package template selection
21:52 < mnemoc> [OXB] is on my TODO
21:52 < mnemoc> O: disabled
21:52 < jsaw> OXB ?
21:53 < mnemoc> X: built and packaged
21:53 < mnemoc> B: just built
21:53 < mnemoc> any cleaner approach?
21:53 * jsaw needs to continue on lua implementation...
21:53 < mnemoc> fix dietlibc@chroot first :)
21:54 < jsaw> don't worry, before I have set-up my new computer I'll will focus on compiling t2 mainly
21:55 < mnemoc> no more microscope?
21:58 < jsaw> of course
21:58 < mnemoc> cool! a full-time jsaw just for me :p
21:59 < jsaw> just the first week of the year...
21:59 < mnemoc> so, until today?
21:59 < jsaw> slowly sorting what was put on the this-can-wait pile...
22:00 * mnemoc was on the this-can-wait pile
22:00 < jsaw> as long as I'm not paid full time (another 2 to 3 month), I'll have a couple of spare evenings
22:02 < mnemoc> :D
22:02 < mnemoc> welcome back :)
22:03 * morfoh silently fetched a sedu_config for testing
22:04 < morfoh> hi jsaw btw
22:05 < mnemoc> morfoh: it's not a real sedu, it' very reduced
22:06 < morfoh> ic ic
22:09 < jsaw> hi morfoh
22:38 < jsaw> mnemoc: hmm, 1-perl fails...
22:38 < jsaw> reentr.c:350: error: too many arguments to function 'gethostent_r'
22:38 < jsaw> trying on a x86 system...
22:38 < mnemoc> i know
22:39 < mnemoc> i gave you my _current_ pkg_perl, not a world saver :)
22:41 * jsaw is shocked
22:41 * jsaw thought mnemoc knows the solution to save the world
22:42 < mnemoc> not yet :)
22:45 < sepp> good night *
22:45 < mnemoc> the problem is Configure looks at host, and miniperl is built using toolchain's
22:45 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp :)
22:45 < jsaw> also from me, sepp
22:45 < mnemoc> Configure includes 'crosscompiling' support, but using ssh to a 'targethost'
22:45 < jsaw> mnemoc: o.o
22:46 < jsaw> >.<
22:46 < mnemoc> in crosscompiling mode it accept usrincdir=
22:46 < mnemoc> what would solve this issue imo
22:47 < mnemoc> and i have the hope moving the -Dusrincdir= support to non-crosscompiling should solve most of the problems
22:47 < mnemoc> well... those are my last minute thoughts :p
22:51 < mnemoc> jsaw!
22:51 < mnemoc> /TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/diet-bin/i686-t2-linux-gnudietlibc-gcc
22:51 < mnemoc> #!/bin/sh
22:51 < mnemoc> #PATH=${PATH/$(dirname $( type -p $0 ))/}; PATH=${PATH/::/:}
22:51 < mnemoc> exec i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc "$@"
22:51 < jsaw> oh oh
22:51 < jsaw> that's not nice!
22:55 * mnemoc wonders when to use diet and when dyn-diet
22:55 < mnemoc> diet-dyn
22:55 < jsaw> ouhm
22:55 < mnemoc> well, let's start with diet
22:55 < jsaw> maybe patch diet-dyn to exec diet if -static found...
22:56 < mnemoc> sounds good
22:56 < mnemoc> probably even handled
22:59 * mnemoc starting yet-another-new-purediet-build today
22:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: did you changed some tail stuff within 2.1 ?
22:59 < mnemoc> nothing
22:59 < morfoh> in trunk ?
23:00 < mnemoc> install_init is automatized now
23:00 < mnemoc> by misc/tail/install_init.in
23:01 < mnemoc> moving init files installations out of $pkg.conf
23:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... will take a look
23:01 < mnemoc> very basic anyway
23:02 < mnemoc> only quagga is doing explicit calls
23:03 < jsaw> DIE LIBTOOL DIE
23:03 < jsaw> !> usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/libxml2mod.la contains build system paths!
23:03 < jsaw> !> The package should possibly flagged with "LIBTOOL-QUIRK"
23:04 < jsaw> (new day here, so it should start with the daily libool bashing)
23:04 < mnemoc> it's on $topic
23:04 < mnemoc> what about DIE LIBTOOL ETAL DIE ?
23:05 < jsaw> :)
23:05 < jsaw> romeo must die...
23:05 < mnemoc> i'll take that as a 'yes'
23:06 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 - DIE LIBTOOL ETAL DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have.
23:06 < mnemoc> fsck!
23:06 < mnemoc> each time i change the topic i remember i have to write 2.1.1 announcement, and some minutes later i forget :(
23:06 < mnemoc> i have to ride home anyway :(
23:06 < mnemoc> == 20:06:32 =[1]=> Building base/dietlibc [0.28 2.1-stable].
23:06 < mnemoc> back in 45m
23:07 < morfoh> cu mnemoc
23:07 < morfoh> save "journey"
23:07 < mnemoc> i have had some 'issues', but i'm gaining experience :)
23:07 < mnemoc> cu
23:08 < morfoh> good
23:08 < mnemoc> and killing some stress :p
23:08 < mnemoc> cu
23:08 < morfoh> cu
23:44 < demian> cu on monday
23:48 < jsaw> gotta sleep, cu all
23:48 < morfoh> sleep well jsaw
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