--- Log opened Sat Jan 07 00:00:06 2006 --- Day changed Sat Jan 07 2006 00:00 < sepp> i would even say that its fast compared to ooo :/ 00:00 < nzg> uargs... 00:01 < nzg> that sounds not nice 00:02 < nzg> 9-ooo.out is 32M already 00:10 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.254.196] has joined #t2 00:18 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.72] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:30 < mnemoc> rehi 00:30 < mnemoc> nzg: 32M?? 00:30 < nzg> mnemoc: 34 as of now 00:30 < nzg> its still building 00:31 < mnemoc> it take 7h and 2.4G here, to produce a ~80M .tar.bz2 00:32 < mnemoc> ~180M if multilanguage 00:32 < nzg> i think it is multilanguage (i did not disable ml an i saw a lot of language-stuff floating by in the .out) 00:37 < mnemoc> :) 00:37 < mnemoc> sit back and relax 00:38 < nzg> i hope it finishes within the next hour 00:38 < mnemoc> well... i'm trying to make it buildable with java support, i have built it more than 15 times this week :p 00:38 < mnemoc> nzg: multilanguage... 9-10h 00:38 < nzg> i can not let my computer run while is sleep because my dad will go berserk 00:39 < mnemoc> 1 less if SATA 00:39 < nzg> omg... i think this is more of a "once in a lifetime" experience 00:40 < mnemoc> i just started yet-another-buildpkg_ooo :) 00:40 < nzg> oi 00:41 < nzg> i really start to appreciate pre-built ooo packages ;) 00:42 < mnemoc> but it's not politicly correct for T2 00:43 < nzg> pre-built includes "built by other t2-lers" ;) 00:44 < nzg> sometimes there is a little egoist inside us all *g* 00:45 < mnemoc> :) 00:46 < nzg> does it build the included mozilla? 00:46 < mnemoc> from mozilla it takes 'address-book' only 00:47 < mnemoc> and only if mozilla is not a 'system' 00:47 < mnemoc> i have set many --with-system-foo, but many others left 00:47 < nzg> so it will not build mozilla for me 00:48 < mnemoc> :) 00:49 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14595 /trunk/package/base/minised/minised.conf: * fix bindir path 00:49 < mnemoc> *G* 00:49 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14596 /trunk/package/xorg/xproto/xproto.conf: * lib64/X11 needs to be created also 01:25 < nzg> ************************************************* 01:25 < nzg> ERROR: Cannot write log file: /mnt/parent/usr/src/t2-trunk/src.ooo.p4d.20060106.173309.24651.localhost/ooo-build-2.0.1/build/ooa680-m1/instsetoo_native/util/OpenOffice//logging/log_OOA680__en-US_af_ar_be-BY_bg_br_bn_bn-BD_bn-IN_bs_ca_cs_cy_da_de_el_en-GB_en-ZA_eo_es_et_eu_fi_fr_ga_gl_gu-IN_he_hi-IN_hr_hu_it_ja_km_kn-IN_ko_lo_lt_lv_mk_ms_ne_nb_nl_nn_nr_ns_pa-IN_pl_pt_pt-BR_ru_rw_sk_sl_sh-YU_sr-CS_ss_st_sv_sw_sw-TZ_sx_ta-IN_th_tn_tr_ts_ve_vi_xh_zh-CN 01:25 < nzg> _zh-TW_zu.log 01:25 < nzg> ************************************************* 01:25 < nzg> Failed to install: at ./ooinstall line 119. 01:25 < nzg> make: *** [install] Error 1 01:25 < nzg> grrrrr 01:25 < jsaw> poor nzg 01:25 < mnemoc> nzg: 2.0.1? 01:26 < nzg> yep 01:26 < mnemoc> nzg: there was a patch for that on 2.0.0.x, but removed on 2.0.1... 01:26 < nzg> trunk r14570 01:26 < mnemoc> i assumed it was fixed :( 01:27 < nzg> hm, apparently not ;-) 01:28 < nzg> and i got those: /mnt/parent/usr/src/t2-trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: command substitution: line 106: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' 01:28 < nzg> so... i will soon pingtimeout 01:29 < nzg> my dad wants to switch the router off 01:36 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFED43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:36 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-23-139.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 01:39 * jsaw is falling asleep 01:39 < jsaw> g'night all 01:44 < mnemoc> gn8 jsaw 01:47 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-23-139.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 02:37 -!- acehunky [n=chat_jok@59.184.9.155] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:40 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-23-139.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 02:42 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.254.196] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:29 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.254.196] has joined #t2 04:21 -!- acehunky [n=chat_jok@59.184.20.20] has joined 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nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 10:09 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 10:09 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 10:09 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 30 secs 10:20 -!- rxr__ [n=rene@e178164138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 10:20 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - LIBTOOL ETAL MUST DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 10:20 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Jan 6 23:06:07 2006] 10:20 [Users #t2] 10:20 [@ChanServ] [ demian] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin] 10:20 [ axion ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr__ ] [ zod ] 10:20 [ Baldzius] [ karasz] [ owl ] [ sepp ] [ _Ragnar_] 10:20 [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly_] 10:20 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 10:20 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 10:20 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 10:20 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 34 secs 10:25 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178163041.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:25 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178148239.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:25 -!- Datahell [i=Datahell@onitschkru.de] has joined #t2 10:26 < rxr__> moin Datahell 10:26 -!- You're now known as rxr 10:27 [Users #t2] 10:27 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 10:27 [ axion ] [ Datahell] [ karasz] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp ] [ zod ] 10:27 [ Baldzius] [ demian ] [ LMJ ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly_] [ _Ragnar_] 10:27 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 10:27 < Datahell> tag :) 10:28 < rxr> checking if new throws std::bad_alloc exception on failure... no 10:33 < rxr> ^- kinda near swap to deaht ... 10:33 < rxr> Datahell: and, testing t2 ? 10:35 < Datahell> um ehrlich zu sein schau ich mich atm nur mal um was community um verschiedene distribtionen betrifft, teste aber gern immer mal wieder was neues solangs kostenlos is ;D 10:35 < Datahell> < viel zeit, arbeitslos ;( 10:36 < rxr> Datahell: was hast du gelernt, studiert ? 10:36 < Datahell> nix x( 10:36 < rxr> ouhm 10:37 < Datahell> bin 19^^ 10:38 < Datahell> und schon seit der 8. klasse nitmehr @ school ;/ 10:38 < rxr> warum das nicht ? 10:38 < Datahell> geschwänzt zwei jahre^^ 10:38 < rxr> du machst spass, oder ? 10:39 < Datahell> bin inne psychatrie un von da innem heim gekommen, und zwar 40km weg von zuhaus, bin ich immer abgehaun x) 10:39 < Datahell> und wer nich inner schule is kriegt sechsen und dann nimmt ein keine schule mehr :( 10:41 < Datahell> must ich auf beschissenste hauptschule gehen, bin ich aber nie hin gegangen weil die echt son shice war un häng nu 4 jahre zuhause rum un verbring mein tach vorm pc 10:41 < Datahell> warum erzähl ich das eigendlich xD viel zeit wie gesagt reicht ja :D 10:42 < rxr> well, I wish you all the best for your further way ... ! 10:44 < Datahell> < spielt atm mit gentoo rum, die ham auch ne recht nette community mit rund 200 mann innem channel, also ohne jez was propagandieren zu wollen :) 10:45 < rxr> "An der Uni Zürich wurde ein Texteditor mit Groupwarefunktionen namens TeNDaX entwickelt, der jedes Zeichen einzeln in einer Datenbank speichert; Meta-Daten wie Zugriffsberechtigungen können also für jedes Zeichen einzeln vergeben werden. Das System bietet Versionskontrolle mit Rollback und viele Statistikfunktionen, welcher Benutzer welchen Anteil des Texts mit welcher Geschwindigkeit eingegeben hat. In einer Pressemitteilung wird das Projekt als das erste Softwarepatent der Universität gefeiert, und auch auf der Homepage steht unübersehbar: Patent Pending." 10:45 < rxr> ^- valentin !! 10:45 < rxr> http://www.symlink.ch/hsw/06/01/06/0945210.shtml 10:46 < Datahell> alles nur entwickler hier oder auch leutz die einfach aus überzeugung t2 usen? :D 10:49 < rxr> es sind auch ein paar "nur Nutzer" hier, aber eher Entwickler 10:54 < Datahell> und ihr braucht testpersonal? ;D 10:54 < Datahell> ich könnts ma auf mein server draufwuchten un anschauen :) 10:55 < rxr> nicht umbedingt ... 10:55 < rxr> nur wenn du es verwenden willst ... 10:57 < rxr> Datahell: where did you found t2 and this channel ? 11:03 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178175130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 11:03 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - LIBTOOL ETAL MUST DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 11:03 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Jan 6 23:06:07 2006] 11:03 [Users #t2] 11:03 [@ChanServ] [ Datahell] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 11:03 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_ ] [ zod ] 11:03 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp ] [ _Ragnar_] 11:03 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly_] 11:03 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 11:03 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 11:03 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 11:14 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178176113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 11:14 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - LIBTOOL ETAL MUST DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 11:14 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Jan 6 23:06:07 2006] 11:14 [Users #t2] 11:14 [@ChanServ] [ Datahell] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 11:14 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_ ] [ zod ] 11:14 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp ] [ _Ragnar_] 11:14 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly_] 11:14 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 11:14 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 11:14 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 11:14 < rxr> this AP really starts to get no my nerves .. 11:14 < rxr> anything I missed ? 11:15 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 11:21 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178175130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:31 < jsaw> re 11:32 < jsaw> rxr: there's an error in the error output, some hardcoded path to /var/adm/log/*, missing the basedir in front? 11:33 < rxr> jsaw: hm 11:33 < rxr> ah yes - inside the chroot it does not prepend it ... 11:34 < rxr> jsaw: any idea how to proceed with those ? 11:36 < jsaw> actually not yet, I was fighting with other software... 11:36 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.102.184] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:36 < jsaw> 2140 builds total, 597 completed fine, 0 with errors. 11:36 < jsaw> pkgsel: 11:37 < jsaw> O linux24 11:37 < jsaw> O lirc 11:37 < jsaw> O at76c503a 11:37 < jsaw> X vserver 11:37 < jsaw> O lazyfs 11:37 < jsaw> O elinks 11:37 < jsaw> O dhcpcd 11:37 < jsaw> ^-- the O's don't build 11:37 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.102.184] has joined #t2 11:37 < Baldzius> moin! :) 11:38 < rxr> moin Baldzius 11:38 < jsaw> rxr: I'll gonna recheck the gcc/libtool thing tonight, then I'll look at the output stuff 11:38 < Baldzius> hi rxr 11:38 < jsaw> hi Baldzius 11:38 < Baldzius> hi jsaw :) 11:41 < CIA-9> aldas * r14598 /trunk/package/gnome2/xchat/ (xchat.conf xchat.desc): * updated xchat (2.6.0 -> 2.6.1) 11:46 < CIA-9> aldas * r14599 /trunk/package/security/rssh/rssh.desc: * updated rssh (2.3.1 -> 2.3.2) 11:49 < rxr> linux 2.6.15-mm1: patching file kernel/module.c.orig 11:49 < rxr> wonderful .. 11:49 < jsaw> what? 11:49 < rxr> yes 11:50 < rxr> and that is why it fails in the t2 patchery since module.c.orig is already there ... 11:50 * rxr slaps Andrew ... 11:50 < rxr> The next patch would create the file kernel/module.c.orig, 11:50 < rxr> which already exists! Applying it anyway. 11:50 < rxr> patching file kernel/module.c.orig 11:50 < rxr> Patch attempted to create file kernel/module.c.orig, which already exists. 11:50 < rxr> Hunk #1 FAILED at 1. 11:50 < rxr> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file kernel/module.c.orig.rej 11:50 < rxr> I do not need to comment on that further, do I ? 11:51 < jsaw> no, you don't 11:51 < rxr> and the stable ace version misses files that the beta version has ... 11:51 < rxr> wonders whether I should package the beta ace version then ... 11:51 < jsaw> git does a wonderful job, seems to me 11:52 < rxr> git is thruput oriented ... 11:52 < rxr> hm - I wonder why module.c.orig is already there 11:53 < rxr> ah! 11:53 < rxr> because we set patch to use that suffix ... 11:53 < rxr> and patch creates it applying exactly this chunk and then see oh damn - I just create it myself .... 11:53 * rxr headache 11:55 < jsaw> gotta go, feeding Charlotte, then shopping... 11:55 < jsaw> cu later 11:55 < rxr> cu 11:55 < rxr> have fun 11:58 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AFC074.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 12:02 < CIA-9> aldas * r14600 /trunk/package/gnome2/gob/gob.desc: * updated gob (2.0.13 -> 2.0.14) 12:02 < LMJ> morning 12:02 < rxr> moin LMJ 12:03 < LMJ> how are you rxr ? 12:03 < rxr> fine, thanks - you too? 12:03 < LMJ> yes, quite fine 12:03 < LMJ> found something strange 12:04 < LMJ> my cpu is used at 50% for : 12:04 < LMJ> XMMS playing mp3 streaming from shoutcast.com it happens since a couple of weeks, no more... very strange 12:04 < LMJ> i unactived all plugins excepted mp3, same thing 12:05 < LMJ> arg my XMMS is bloated ;) 12:05 < rxr> what is eating the cycles ? xmms alone ? 12:06 < LMJ> yep ! 12:06 < LMJ> trying to find why 12:06 < LMJ> from 54-60% 12:06 < LMJ> crazy 12:06 < rxr> my xmms does eat 3.7 % of a Turion MT-30 downscaled to 800MHz 12:06 < rxr> never saw such numbers ... 12:06 < rxr> but yes, xmms sucks ... 12:06 < rxr> I would sooner look for another player than later ... 12:07 < rxr> oh - what output plugin do you use ? 12:07 < rxr> I use alsa ... 12:07 < rxr> esd or arts in use ? 12:07 < LMJ> alsa here too 12:07 < LMJ> i was checking that out too 12:07 < LMJ> it sucks ? why ? 12:08 < CIA-9> rene * r14601 /trunk/package/base/linux26mm/ (linux26mm.conf linux26mm.desc): * updated linux26mm (2.6.15-rc5-mm3 -> 2.6.15-mm1) 12:08 < rxr> oudated unmainteined code using oldest gtk one can use on earth ... 12:08 < LMJ> lmao 12:08 < LMJ> ok 12:08 < LMJ> got it 12:09 < CIA-9> aldas * r14602 /trunk/package/emulators/gngeo/gngeo.desc: * updated gngeo (0.6.4 -> 0.6.6) 12:10 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEE5AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 12:10 -!- sparc-kly__ [n=mubex@64.237.240.12] has joined #t2 12:12 < LMJ> rxr, you can code a new one, can't you ? ;) 12:12 < morfoh> hi 12:12 < LMJ> hello morfoh 12:13 < rxr> LMJ: we once had - but recently we lack the time ... 12:13 < rxr> http://gsmp.exactcode.de/ 12:13 < morfoh> hello LMJ 12:14 < LMJ> good idea ;) 12:14 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AFCB3A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:14 < rxr> moin morfoh 12:14 < morfoh> moin rxr 12:18 < LMJ> what a pain 12:18 < LMJ> i unactived all plugins not needed 12:18 < LMJ> same thing 12:21 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178131236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 12:21 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - LIBTOOL ETAL MUST DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 12:21 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Jan 6 23:06:07 2006] 12:21 [Users #t2] 12:21 [@ChanServ] [ Datahell] [ LMJ ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly_ ] [ _Ragnar_] 12:21 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly__] 12:21 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ rxr_] [ valentin ] 12:21 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ mtr ] [ sepp] [ zod ] 12:21 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 21 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 12:21 < LMJ> moin karasz 12:21 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 12:21 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 12:22 < karasz> hello SerWou 12:22 < karasz> hello rxr 12:22 < karasz> konochiwa morfoh san 12:22 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 12:22 < morfoh> hi karasz 12:24 < karasz> hmmm for x86-64 vlc fails both in 2.1 and trunk :) 12:24 < karasz> mplayer in 2.1 is buggy 12:25 < karasz> xmms in 2.1 does not work at all 12:25 < CIA-9> aldas * r14603 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-volume-manager/gnome-volume-manager.desc: * updated gnome-volume-manager (1.5.4 -> 1.5.8) 12:25 < rxr_> .oO? 12:25 < morfoh> karasz: let me see i I've som enot yet commited patches for vlc ... why does it fail ? 12:25 < karasz> in the end is some assembly which fails... 12:25 < rxr_> karasz: in trunk we have x86-64 patches for mplayer I think 12:30 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.254.196] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:31 < LMJ> .oOO0O0O mine -rf xmms and Emerge it again fixed it ;) 12:32 < rxr_> hm 12:33 < karasz> mplayer is buggy i didn't say it doesn't work 12:33 < karasz> bit it crashes ... 12:34 < karasz> it works and unexpectedly it closes... 12:35 < karasz> SerWou what about xmms? 12:35 < LMJ> this crap was using ~55% of my CPU 12:35 < LMJ> playing streaming MP3 12:35 < karasz> it loads, presents the gui but does not work anything, even open file dialog does not present itself... 12:36 < karasz> i see the gui but does not react to any clicks... 12:36 < karasz> but the best thing of all is that macromedia does not support x86-64 12:37 < karasz> my site administration is in flash :D ) 12:37 < LMJ> sorry for you karasz 12:37 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178176113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:37 < rxr_> karasz: flash ? 12:37 < karasz> anyway it was the time to rewrite the entire site 12:37 -!- You're now known as rxr 12:37 < karasz> yes flash 12:37 < rxr> your own ? 12:38 < karasz> i tried to install flash for firefox 12:38 < rxr> btw. AFAIK there is no 64bit flash for any OS and they said it might take quite some omre time to make their properitary junk code 64bit aware ... 12:38 < karasz> yes my own, in the sense that someone wrote it for me... 12:38 < karasz> rxr i don't think they will 12:38 < karasz> it is almost a year or so... 12:38 < rxr> well some time they have too - there is only one future, 64bit on the os 12:39 < karasz> in that time they should have done it if they wanted to.. 12:39 < rxr> and some time 90% of the usual people will use linux @64bit and the Microsoft Vista DOS flavour on some 64bit aware CPU 12:39 < rxr> karasz: macrobedia stinks ... 12:39 < karasz> rxr ack 12:40 < karasz> the rewrite of the site will be flash -less 12:47 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178137079.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 12:47 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - LIBTOOL ETAL MUST DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 12:47 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Jan 6 23:06:07 2006] 12:47 [Users #t2] 12:47 [@ChanServ] [ Datahell] [ LMJ ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly__] 12:47 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin ] 12:47 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ rxr_] [ zod ] 12:47 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ mtr ] [ sepp] [ _Ragnar_ ] 12:47 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 12:47 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 12:47 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 12:47 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 12:48 < LMJ> heeh 12:48 < LMJ> i don't think so 12:48 < LMJ> check out the website ;) 12:49 < rxr_> url ? 12:50 < karasz> guess sf.net 12:50 * rxr_ got disconnected, anyone dares to repaste ? 12:50 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.102.184] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:51 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.102.184] has joined #t2 12:51 < Baldzius> f* xchat :) 12:51 < Baldzius> still has crash bug 12:51 < karasz> http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Main_Page 12:53 < LMJ> yep, this one 12:56 < rxr_> I think mnemoc already packaged it 12:57 < LMJ> yep 12:57 < karasz> players are packaged too? 12:57 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178131236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:57 < rxr_> no idea 12:58 < rxr_> I have not tried it out 12:58 -!- You're now known as rxr 12:58 < LMJ> well, xmms could be a xmms2 client if i understand well 12:58 < LMJ> localhost music manager, am i right ? 12:58 < zod> i use xmms2 :) 12:59 < CIA-9> aldas * r14604 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-system-tools-backends/gnome-system-tools-backends.desc: * updated gnome-system-tools-backends (1.4.1 -> 1.4.2) 12:59 < zod> it's a server client structure 12:59 < zod> karasz: you don't need ruby if you don't want the ruby bindings 13:00 < morfoh> rxr: when did you changed sth. related to the "blacklisting" of radeon fb kernel module ? was it before branching 2.1 ? 13:00 < rxr> ouhm - I do not know off hand 13:00 < rxr> why do you ask ? 13:01 < morfoh> because I rebuild a kernel with radeon fb support on 2.1 and it doesn' work 13:01 < rxr> define doesn't work ... 13:02 < morfoh> rxr: black screen ... but booting and entering properly init 5 13:02 < rxr> yes that is what I saw here as well 13:02 < rxr> you explicitly enabled the radeon module ? 13:02 < morfoh> yes 13:02 < rxr> well - so you are on you own ,-) 13:03 < morfoh> even staticaly like I did on the other machine 13:03 < rxr> I know it is borken for some boxes (black screen) and that is why it should be blacklisted (on x86) 13:03 < morfoh> rxr: so you have the same problem on trunk too 13:04 < rxr> what problem? 13:04 < rxr> isn't it blacklisted to be not build ? 13:04 < LMJ> about BMPx, it needs "XINE" or "GStreamer" backend, who means "xine-lib" or "gstreamer" -> who needs a big part of the bloated Gnome packages, so i will not be able to test it 13:05 < morfoh> rxr: where do I have to look into ? 13:05 < rxr> why it is black or where to blacklist / unblacklist ? 13:05 < morfoh> rxr: I know that you removed the entry on trunk and it worked on the IBM R40 flawlessly 13:06 < morfoh> rxr: where to remove the blacklist entry 13:06 < rxr> you tell me it is broken and black screen and you want to unblacklist it ? 13:09 < morfoh> rxr: dunno ... I'm puzzled, and perhaps I shouldn't use any computer today... it's a bad day anyway 13:09 < rxr> whats bad ? 13:10 < morfoh> rxr: this f* day 13:10 < rxr> ? 13:11 < morfoh> rxr: because it starts with a phone call from my parents, for telling me that my grandma died yesterday on my bday 13:11 < rxr> oh, that is really a bad start for a day ... :-(( 13:12 < morfoh> yes ... :'(( 13:17 < karasz> morfoh, :( 13:17 < karasz> sorry to hear that 13:18 < karasz> condoleances 13:18 < morfoh> guess I should better do some homework, drilling some holes into the wall or sth. similar 13:18 < morfoh> karasz: thanks 13:25 < rxr> morfoh: yeah - do not drill holes in your computer equipment ... 13:25 < rxr> concolences from me as well ... 13:25 < karasz> o_O 13:25 < rxr> if you need to consume some beer or so later give me a note ... I'm around ... 13:25 < karasz> anyone knows about this...? 13:25 < karasz> http://gplflash.sourceforge.net/ 13:25 < rxr> karasz: yes 13:25 < rxr> karasz: I packaged it 13:26 < rxr> but it only works basically right now 13:26 < karasz> 2 too? 13:26 < rxr> but I watch all gpl code because properitary hackery stinks to the moon and back ... 13:27 < mnemoc> moin! 13:27 < rxr> moin mnemoc! 13:27 < karasz> hello mnemoc 13:31 < mnemoc> moin rxr, karasz, morfoh! 13:31 < rxr> jsaw: btw I hack the output again right now ... 13:31 < rxr> damn cruft code ... 13:34 < sepp> moin 13:35 < mnemoc> moin sepp 13:35 < sepp> http://pastebin.com/494846 <- thats ok? 13:35 < sepp> moin mnemoc 13:36 < sepp> to apply patches in tcl_prepare_source() ... 13:38 < rxr> sepp: I have not looked what ${derpkg} is, no chance to reuse apply_patchfiles ? 13:40 < sepp> ${derpkg} is the tcl or tk, i patched the configure error away - but tcl_prepare_source() runs configure and does not apply patches 13:43 < rxr> parse-config | 17 +++++++---------- 13:43 < rxr> terminal | 15 ++++----------- 13:44 < rxr> sepp: I would need to look into the package .conf 13:44 < rxr> but apply_patchfiles () contains the usual patch logic, can't it be reused ? 13:44 < mnemoc> 2-liner.... 13:44 < rxr> mnemoc: ? 13:45 < mnemoc> your terminal thing was a two liner :) 13:45 < rxr> started as 13:45 < rxr> I had no idea that the underlying code was that broken 13:45 < rxr> instead bloating it I even cleaned it up during fixup ... 13:45 < morfoh> rxr: thanks 13:45 < rxr> oh - i see a regression ... 13:46 < rxr> damn - that code ia a hell to follow ... 13:46 < rxr> this code hackery tried to preserve single arguments when bridging thru the filedestriptor ... 13:46 < sepp> tk extracts tcl source and it has to patch tcl 13:46 < mnemoc> sepp: what is that?? 13:47 < sepp> same with itcl, it extracts tcl and tj and both need a configure patch 13:47 < sepp> tk* 13:48 < mnemoc> sepp: .patch files must be _allways_ -p1, and autoapplied to $pkg 13:48 < mnemoc> alway* 13:48 < mnemoc> always* 13:49 < sepp> http://pastebin.com/494866 ... 13:50 < sepp> but later tk exrtacts tcl with tcl_prepare_source(), runs configure in tcl but thats has a syntax error with bash-3.1 13:51 < rxr> sepp: is adding: 13:51 < rxr> apply_patchfiles 13:51 < rxr> not enough ? 13:51 < rxr> btw the tcl/tk .conf files stink 13:52 < sepp> no - tcl_config.sh is messy 13:53 < rxr> ic that it is messy ... 13:53 < rxr> with brings the question up: why the heck is are they that dirty ... 13:53 < sepp> :) 13:53 < mnemoc> another candidate for de-custmainzion :( 13:54 < rxr> mnemoc: no custmain in there 13:54 < rxr> but dirty anyway ... 13:54 < rxr> mnemoc: mind guiding sepp to add patchery cleanly ? 13:54 * rxr still hacking output .. 13:54 < rxr> while I wanted to do uni stuff today .. :-(( 13:57 < mnemoc> :( 13:57 < rxr> (core dumped) PATH="$GROFF_RUNTIME$PATH" groff -mtty-char $T $opts ${1+"$@"} 13:57 < rxr> oops .. 14:04 < rxr> damn, I can not do the multiple line removal due to ugly argument preserving hackery ... 14:05 < rxr> ok - finally 14:05 < rxr> now it looks ok 14:06 < rxr> mnemoc: have you seen my error truncation to screen width hackery ? 14:07 < mnemoc> i haven't used trunk this week 14:07 < mnemoc> what should i do? 14:08 < rxr> I added it last night 14:08 < rxr> when you was cycling home ... 14:08 < rxr> I asked what kind of grave hack I are allowed to apply to optimize error printout .. 14:08 < rxr> the hack was only tiny, e.g. the ugly think I tried first did not work out anyway ... 14:09 < rxr> when a package fails the error is not truncated hardly anymore but according to screen width 14:09 < rxr> which is often more than 80 columns for me ... 14:09 < rxr> and also it is truncated less, formerly overly many chars have been stripped, even on 80 column terminals ... 14:09 < rxr> svn up and let a package fail . .. 14:09 < demian> hi 14:09 < rxr> however best wait for my output plugin stuff fix in some seconds ... 14:09 < rxr> hi demian 14:10 < demian> sepp: u were using e17 with t2 trunk ? 14:11 < sepp> yup 14:11 < CIA-9> rene * r14605 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 14:11 < CIA-9> * fixed output plugin (once again) so that the calle passes the data, 14:11 < CIA-9> needed for sandbox builds since the output plugin does not have the 14:11 < CIA-9> actual sandbox prefix ahand but fix the quoting code to hopefully 14:11 < CIA-9> work reliable 14:13 < mnemoc> :) 14:15 < rxr> so the cases where I saw umatched quotes work fine with this code ... 14:15 < mnemoc> and the cases without? 14:15 < rxr> just to mention it again, the code was broken before, but due to hardcoding the terminal output before the plugin handler passed out of the sandbox with tricky quoting it was not noticed before ... 14:16 < rxr> mnemoc: the error-less builds still work ... 14:16 < mnemoc> great :) 14:16 * rxr now wating for the next to find an issue with the output plugin multiplexer ... 14:17 < rxr> mnemoc: the new linux26mm patch contains a .orig diff chunk that fails to apply because we let out patch create .orig files - I now print out echo_error in the package to remeber to check if the next patch is fixed up so that the -z .prev or what I added patch hackery can be removed again ... 14:18 < rxr> I hope you do not slap me for that ... 14:18 < LMJ> lol 14:18 < mnemoc> sed hackery to remove the patch against .orig ? 14:18 < rxr> mnemoc: sed hackery to match a whole chunk ? 14:19 < rxr> I have other homework to do .. 14:20 < mnemoc> :) 14:23 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.150.58.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:24 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.150.58.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 14:37 < karasz> seems like today is not my day either... :( 14:37 < karasz> guess i'll go home 14:37 < mnemoc> karasz: ?? 14:37 < karasz> no T2 related code today :( 14:38 < karasz> i have programed mdf2iso for today, but i guess it'll have to wait till monday 14:38 < karasz> sorry :( 14:39 < mnemoc> :'( 14:39 < karasz> i dunno about claws... 14:39 < mnemoc> ?? 14:39 < karasz> i'm kinda scared about the amount of patches for sylpheed... 14:40 < karasz> if claws require the same somebody else must package it 14:40 < karasz> i will try monday perhaps claws will not require that amount of hackering... 14:41 < karasz> don't worry mnemoc i'm not givin' up 14:41 < mnemoc> good :) 14:41 < karasz> usless apps will come for me from now on... 14:42 < karasz> mdf2iso is the first, commin' on moday for sure 14:42 * mnemoc slaps lazy karasz 14:42 * karasz ouch 14:42 < demian> Downloading eclipse:download/mirror/e/eclipse-source... 14:43 < demian> 1.7Gb collected... 14:43 < karasz> btw mnemoc how busy is your monday? 14:44 < mnemoc> i'll have to go to santiago (capital) on the morning, no idea when (hour) i'll return 14:44 < karasz> i tend on tickering with a new target.... 14:45 < karasz> something like ultra-minimal-postgresql-8.1.1 with auto-install.... 14:45 < mnemoc> :) 14:45 < karasz> do you think that is too much for my level? 14:45 < karasz> should i wait more? 14:46 < mnemoc> nah 14:46 < mnemoc> that's the way to learn 14:46 < karasz> :) 14:46 < karasz> ok then 14:46 < CIA-9> rene * r14606 /trunk/package/develop/git/git.desc: * updated git (2005-11-11 -> 1.0.7) 14:46 < karasz> all you guys and girls have a nice weekend 14:46 < karasz> or what is left from it 14:46 < karasz> cu all on monday 14:46 < karasz> bye 14:47 < morfoh> bye karasz 14:47 < CIA-9> amery * r14607 /trunk/package/network/asterisk/asterisk.desc: * updated asterisk (1.0.9 -> 1.2.1) 14:47 < morfoh> :) 14:48 < demian> jvargas@spica:~/t2/2.1/trunk> ./scripts/Download -list-missing | wc -l 14:48 < demian> 1044 14:48 < demian> jvargas@spica:~/t2/2.1/trunk> 14:48 < mnemoc> morfoh: what web interfaces you know for the 'VoIP gateway' target? 14:48 < demian> i already have 1.7Gb.. how much the default desktop target packages download weights? 14:49 < morfoh> mnemoc: mom ... already phoning ... brb 14:49 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.150.148.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 14:49 < mnemoc> :\ 14:49 < mnemoc> wb sepp_ 14:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: there was a zope/plone based web interface but I don't remember the name 14:51 < morfoh> btw, how is the name of the "VoIP target" ? 14:51 < mnemoc> http://www.contentmanagementsoftware.info/zope/asterisk-zTrix, down :( 14:51 < mnemoc> no name yet :p 14:52 < CIA-9> aldas * r14608 /trunk/package/security/chkrootkit/ (4 files): 14:52 < CIA-9> * updated chkrootkit (0.45 -> 0.46a) 14:52 < CIA-9> * removed head.patch - obsolete 14:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'm confident that a name will come out of you 14:53 < mnemoc> first a mnemosyne customization, then a target :) 14:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack 14:59 < sepp_> hello :) 15:00 < morfoh> hi sepp_ 15:01 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.150.58.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:01 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp 15:02 < rxr> checking ffmpeg ... Former build was broken. Added. 15:03 < rxr> `- ah! that is my my ppc64 vlc build keeps failing ... 15:10 < demian> umm.. 15:11 < demian> how is possible to have revisions from 14573 to 14608 with no changes to the repos? t2's 2.1 trunk. 15:11 < rxr> demian: what do you mean ? 15:13 < demian> i updated my t2 2.1 trunk's working copy.. wanted to see last changes but i noticed that svn diff -r 14608:BASE shows no changes. 15:13 < rxr> demian: revisions are per repository 15:13 < rxr> it is likely that range just has changes in the /trunk/ 15:14 < demian> ah.. i though i was using a single repos.. 15:14 < demian> forget it then, thanks :p 15:17 < rxr> gcc: /usr/lib64/../lib64/.libs/libstdc++.so: No such file or directory 15:17 < rxr> `- how much do we want libtool to die today > 15:18 < mnemoc> :D 15:28 < jsaw> rxr: if it has .libs in the path, the one of the .la files is most probably not installed correctly (see variable "installed=no") 15:28 < jsaw> rxr: should be "installed=yes" 15:29 < rxr> jsaw: hi, can you test if you can get the output plugin stuff to break ?> 15:29 < jsaw> rxr: it happened e.g. with attr and acl package, where we manually copy the .la files ... 15:29 < jsaw> jsaw: currently I do not see any error :) 15:29 < jsaw> huh 15:29 < jsaw> rxr: currently I do not see any error :) 15:30 < jsaw> rxr: also error output shows up correctly 15:32 < jsaw> forgot sth., have to go on shopping tour again... 15:32 < rxr> and an wider then it did in the past I hope, usually exactly filling the terminal ... 15:32 < jsaw> bbl 15:32 < rxr> cu jsaw 16:01 < CIA-9> rene * r14609 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/mesa.conf: * fixed mesa compatibility symlinks, should fix at least wxwidgets 16:04 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178191249.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 16:04 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - LIBTOOL ETAL MUST DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 16:04 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Jan 6 23:06:07 2006] 16:04 [Users #t2] 16:04 [@ChanServ] [ Datahell] [ LMJ ] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly__] 16:04 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin ] 16:04 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ rxr_] [ zod ] 16:04 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ mtr ] [ sepp] [ _Ragnar_ ] 16:04 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 16:04 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 16:04 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 16:04 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 16:09 < rxr_> who had problems with vlc ? 16:11 < rxr_> karasz: you had problems building vlc ? 16:11 < rxr_> karasz: was it: ld: cannot find -lX11 16:11 < rxr_> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 16:11 < rxr_> ? 16:19 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178137079.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:42 < rxr_> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/68099 16:43 < rxr_> `- noone can tell me they need all this money and hardware ... 16:46 < sepp> :) 16:46 < morfoh> rxr_: hmmmm ... more than $500.000 planned budget ... 16:48 < mnemoc> 'bandwidth' 16:48 < rxr_> that can't be that expensive ... 16:48 < mnemoc> you need a good house to plug that bandwidth 16:48 < morfoh> I think one rack with 42U costs about $250/month in a collocation facility 16:49 < mnemoc> and a cool car, and your own datacenter... 16:49 < mnemoc> on the backyard 16:49 < morfoh> with gigabit connectivity ... but without traffic 16:49 < rxr_> I also need a house pool, weekend house, etc ... 16:49 < rxr_> ok - t2 planned budget is 500.000 EUR next year 16:50 < mnemoc> of course, you don't want stressed sysadmins 16:50 < rxr_> let's start collecting ... 16:50 -!- veki [n=vedran@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 16:50 < veki> hi 16:50 < mnemoc> i offer my paypal account for donations 16:50 < rxr_> mnemoc: heh 16:50 < morfoh> hi veki ... old bat 16:51 < rxr_> maybe we should register t2 as NPO this year ... 16:51 -!- veki [n=vedran@217.24.19.40] has quit [Client Quit] 16:51 -!- veki [n=vedran@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 16:52 < mnemoc> NPO? 16:52 < morfoh> rxr_: this would be absolutely necessary if you want to collect bigger donations 16:52 < rxr_> non profit org. 16:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: non for profit 16:52 < sepp> if we install tcl{Math,Int,IntDecls}.h from tcl we can get rid of all the tcl/tk noise 16:52 < mnemoc> sepp: so, install them 16:53 < mnemoc> rxr_: t2-foundation.org 16:53 < morfoh> rxr_: where do you want to register ? 16:53 -!- You're now known as rxr 16:53 < veki> this may be good idea. But, this requires some legal work in terms of registration, contracts etc. 16:53 < rxr> morfoh: germany ... 16:54 < veki> it i sgood to check how things go with taxes in some jurisdictions on a country level 16:54 < morfoh> rxr: then I guess we've to register an association (Verein) 16:54 < mnemoc> we have a permanent location on holland too, is that easier? 16:54 < rxr> KDE also collects donations as KDE e.V. in Germany ... 16:55 < rxr> morfoh: of course e.V. ... 16:55 < veki> it is good to register foundation i.e. stiftung 16:55 < mnemoc> e.V.? 16:55 < rxr> mnemoc: a german thing ... 16:55 < morfoh> rxr: yep 16:55 < rxr> mnemoc: "eingetragener Verein" 16:55 < mnemoc> rxr: a german thing which means... ? 16:55 < rxr> mnemoc: I was typing ... 16:55 < veki> it is good in the NEtherlands too, but as far as I know it is good to chekc how things go with taxes, fiancial and legal handling of money, contracts etc. 16:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: what means "registred association" or so 16:56 < rxr> mnemoc: "a registered non profit organization" form here, in Germany 16:56 < mnemoc> e.V. means auctions? 16:56 < veki> I was recently invovled in discussion of one US donor to establish foundation in the Netherlands and that is not always so trivial thing because there are many legals picky things 16:56 < rxr> mnemoc: e.V. means "engetragener Verein" 16:56 < mnemoc> yes, but in practice? 16:57 < rxr> direct translated that is: "registered organization" 16:57 < morfoh> rxr: we've to be at least 7 founding members 16:57 < rxr> people or companies can donate and get a tax return for that donation - among other things ... 16:57 < veki> in practice, t is good to check which legal form of organisation is thebest from the financial and legal point of view 16:57 < rxr> morfoh: are you sure? 16:57 < mnemoc> rxr, valentin, jsaw, sepp, minto, mnemoc, ... 16:57 < morfoh> rxr: yes 16:57 < mnemoc> lars :) 16:57 < mnemoc> susan! 16:57 < rxr> morfoh: my neighbour runs a e.V. and they are 3 or 4 or so ... 16:58 < rxr> morfoh: or just initial, with just 3 or so permananet ? 16:58 < morfoh> rxr: really ? 16:58 < rxr> morfoh: well, anyway I can ask her at a tea about details .. 16:58 < rxr> morfoh: they have some india health support s.th. e.V. 16:58 < veki> do members must be of teh same citizenship where organisation is registered 16:58 < rxr> she studied medicine and musics ... 16:58 < morfoh> rxr: yep ... I visit a friend this evening who was founding member of an "e.V." too 16:58 < rxr> veki: of course not ... 16:59 < rxr> veki: oh 16:59 < rxr> veki: well for a German e.V. most probably founding people neeed to be in .de ... 16:59 < morfoh> rxr: I think so 16:59 < rxr> registering some other non profit org. is no problem either, but I fear it is not possible to register one in the US from without germany 16:59 < veki> that is good, but I have NGO here in Serbia where I am presdient of theboard and it is not always easy to handle all grants from abroad. 16:59 < rxr> KDE operates with the e.V. world wide as well 17:00 < rxr> we could ask them for details 17:00 < veki> if you kknow good lawyer this may be helpful 17:00 < rxr> e.g. if companies from any country would ge the tax return benefit when donating to a german e.V. ... 17:00 < morfoh> rxr I'd like to ommit thinking about the U.S. 17:00 < rxr> morfoh: ack ... 17:00 < veki> good lawyer can inform you on that, it i ssomtimes very complex 17:01 < veki> I was recently involved in one seminar awhere we have been taught on those issues and I am sure that good advise of lawyer is necessary. 17:01 < morfoh> rxr: anyhow ... it should be no problem to get together 7 founding members 17:01 < rxr> PLUGIN_PATH="${ac_tool_prefix}/lib/vlc" 17:01 < rxr> AC_SUBST(PLUGIN_PATH) 17:01 < rxr> `- vlc 17:02 < rxr> now that I call lib64 aware ... 17:02 < morfoh> veki: I guess you were teached by a lawyer :) 17:02 < rxr> those could even have used $libdir and would be on a safer side ... 17:02 < veki> It i snot problem to find members, but how to handle money, contracts, audits etc. 17:02 < morfoh> veki: ack 17:02 < veki> morfoh: oh, yes, but waht I realised is that audits can make you troubles if you do not knwo all legal things well 17:03 < rxr> heh: PLUGIN_PATH="${ac_tool_prefix}/lib/vlc" 17:03 < rxr> I should start doing uni stuff to prevent increasing headache ... 17:03 < veki> for example, foreign organisation can establish foundation in teh Netherlands without employees, with bank account etc. but there are some other restrictions on proving the realization of projects before audits etc. 17:05 < morfoh> veki: we don't want to do money laundering or any kind of smuggeling forbidden things ... ;) 17:05 < morfoh> .oO( I hope so )o 17:05 < morfoh> :) 17:05 < veki> for example, we got here recently one machine as dontaion from the company Genesi, and we payed taxes as profit organisation though we did not have had to. Actually, our custom clearance agency and teh Ministrfor Economic Affairs with Foreign Countries did not knwo the law and we payed what we have had not 17:06 < veki> of course, that you do not want to do anything bad, but audits ddo not care about our beliefs, emotions, ideological statements etc. they do care only about papers 17:06 < mnemoc> sepp: and use match_source_file -p to get the tarball to extract 17:07 < rxr> veki: you are in .nl ? 17:07 < veki> no, I am in Serbia, but i was recently diswcussin those issues with experienced guys from nl and usa 17:08 < morfoh> veki: sponsored by george soros ? 17:08 < veki> no 17:08 < sepp> mnemoc: i got rid of extracting tcl source code again and again with installing these 3 header files 17:08 < morfoh> you really know ? 17:08 < rxr> karasz: I would have a vlc 64bit patch mostly done now 17:08 < mnemoc> sepp: :D 17:09 < veki> it was indeopendent ngo establishing its branch in nl 17:09 < rxr> karasz: test build running on ppc64 17:10 < veki> nl is good in that as in germany is stiftung if my spelling is good, but it is good to be precise and ask good lawyer about that 17:10 < morfoh> veki: a "Stifftung" is different from a "Verein" ! 17:11 < veki> yes, but stifftung is as foundation, Verein is civic association if my memory is well 17:11 < mnemoc> or rene's cute neighbor 17:11 < rxr> cute ? 17:11 < veki> I do not say that one legal form is better than teh other. What I am saying is that good legal advise may be very helpful 17:11 < morfoh> veki: a "Stiftung" is mostly used here by rich people to "opptimize" their taxes 17:12 < mnemoc> rxr: spiritually? :( 17:12 < veki> yes, but you can ask IBM and others to "optimize" their taxes in your benefit 17:13 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/tcltk.patch 17:16 < veki> morfoh: non-profit work is serious business as it is anything that requires contracts, money etc. what we do is not cheap and (un)fortunately it requires money which consequently invokes legal things such as accounting, contracts, audit reports etc. 17:16 < morfoh> veki: no doubt about that 17:17 < veki> for example, European Community in theri contracts keep right to revisit receivers documentation in teh period of 7 years and they can in that period require return of money 17:17 < mnemoc> sepp: +hook_add postinstall 3 "ln -vsf libtk8.4.so $libdir/libtk.so" <--- no hardcoded please 17:17 < mnemoc> sepp: same for wish, use $( pkgprefix ver foo ) 17:18 < sepp> mnemoc: i know - that was just my lame test 17:18 < morfoh> veki: of course ... if you want to play with devil you'll need a "contract" 17:18 < veki> since that is crazy I never apply for their money. so I f**k off them. Such a thing may be affodabel only by rich orgnisations whether they are Verein or Stifftung 17:18 < veki> ah, yes, I have had so far more than 20 contracts and some contractors are easy, while some are pain in the ass 17:19 < morfoh> veki: I guess it depends on more political issues 17:19 < veki> a good friend of mine got huge money from European Comission and they were late in payments for a couple of months which merely ruined his work and organisation. 17:20 < sepp> how should i cut of the .patchlevel? 17:20 < veki> thus, if you wnat to go on the other side of the river you should swim although river is very cold, but however, it s good to choose where to enter the river and how and 17:21 < veki> I think that there is no better alternative. I am glad that you think on establishing Verein or Stifftung, whatever, but we should be aware of all possibilitues and traps we are not aware off 17:24 < veki> I am sure that there is certain agency which may helpi giving advise, but I will check and let you know 17:24 < mnemoc> agency==no $$ ? 17:26 < veki> I think that they can give advise free of charge as a sort of "help for the development of civil society", but I will check. A good friend of mine was director here fo teh centre for the development of non-profit sector and I think that he know resources for that in Europe and worldwide 17:39 < veki> morfoh: you can check www.efc.be I think that they can give some useful information 17:40 < rxr> so - cebit contact mail sent out 17:40 * rxr praying as usual to be able to attend ... 17:40 < rxr> so vlc now up and running on the ppc64 ... 17:41 < rxr> the new vlc controller looks quite pretty ... 17:41 < morfoh> veki: thx for the info, but I guess we need a lot more discussion before starting sth. like that seriously ... but anyhow ... link is bookmarked 17:44 < veki> morfoh: oh yes, it is VERY important to discuss in details, sice when contracts and money come there should not be any confusions, dilemmas etc. since consequences may be serious. I have had that experience. guys wanted to be enromously paid , they asked 7000 EURs for installing subversion on 6 machines, and sin ce I have signed contract I have had to do it alone since I could not afford 7000 EURs for such a work. I think that 7000 EURs is too much for such a th 17:45 < morfoh> veki: of course it's too much if we're talking about 6 svn installations 17:45 < CIA-9> rene * r14610 /trunk/package/multimedia/vlc/ (lib64.patch vlc.conf vlc.desc): 17:45 < CIA-9> * fixed vlc to use the corrent plugin path on lib64 systems and use 17:45 < CIA-9> the gcc wrapper to help it cope with X11/lib64 directories 17:47 < veki> morfoh: yes, they looked very serious in expressing their willingness to particpate in civic association work but when money arrived their appetites became higher 17:47 < rxr> karasz: vlc in trunk should build now for x86-64 (at least it does for ppc64 ...) 17:48 < rxr> I think it is pretty clear a T2 e.V. will nto people to work on t2 or su but pay stuff needed for fairs and other representations as well as infrastructure work 17:48 < rxr> * not pay people * 17:48 < morfoh> rxr: yep 17:48 < mnemoc> be/go pida 17:48 < rxr> and/or traveling costs for talks or other related things ... 17:48 < mnemoc> err 17:48 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFD44B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 17:49 < veki> morfoh: money is devil, thus it isimportant to be clear at the very beginning and have that i written form 17:49 < rxr> if even ever too much money is there T2 Con related stuff like a free Coke ,-) 17:49 < rxr> mnemoc: yah - I know you demand treveling costs for the this years CeBIT presentation ... 17:49 < veki> I agree 17:49 < rxr> noted ... 17:49 < mnemoc> what? 17:49 < rxr> 17:48 < rxr> and/or traveling costs for talks or other related things ... 17:49 < rxr> 17:48 < mnemoc> err 17:50 < mnemoc> i don't demand anything 17:50 < LMJ> i had an idea the other day, sell a computer with a graphic-oriented t2 on it + OSS graphic softwares to dumb graphist people, and kill Mac ;-D 17:50 < mnemoc> [14:49:42] be/go pida 17:50 < mnemoc> [14:49:43] err 17:50 < nzg> moin 17:50 < mnemoc> ^--- err was about the wrong irssi command 17:50 < mnemoc> wb nzg 17:50 < veki> hi 17:50 < rxr> mnemoc: heh 17:50 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-25-56.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 17:51 < rxr> mnemoc: last year this chile linux profersional whatever people have been on the cebit ... 17:51 < rxr> mnemoc: do you rember? 17:51 < rxr> mnemoc: any chance you get a cheaper filght with them in a group ? 17:51 < mnemoc> eduardo kaftanzki from linux center (redhat chile) 17:53 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178158231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:53 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - LIBTOOL ETAL MUST DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 17:53 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Jan 6 23:06:07 2006] 17:53 [Users #t2] 17:53 [@ChanServ] [ Datahell] [ LMJ ] [ nzg] [ rxr_ ] [ veki ] 17:53 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ mnemoc] [ ojh] [ sepp ] [ zod ] 17:53 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ owl] [ sparc-kly__] [ _Ragnar_] 17:53 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ mtr ] [ rxr] [ valentin ] 17:53 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 23 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal] 17:53 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 17:53 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 17:53 < mnemoc> [14:52:28] eduardo kaftanzki from linux center (redhat chile) 17:53 < mnemoc> [14:53:06] ehm, i doubt :( 17:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: didn't you had a nice time with his sister ? :p 17:53 < rxr_> heh 17:53 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 17:53 * mnemoc slaps morfoh 17:54 < rxr_> mnemoc: I do not talk about he paying your flight - just some discount group ticket whatsoever is possible at airlines ... 17:54 < veki> :-) 17:54 < mnemoc> half-sister 17:54 * morfoh asks: why does mnemoc slaps me ? 17:54 * rxr_ hates this Linkssys AP - the munched Linux software routing is awful 17:54 < ojh> rxr: Hi 17:54 < rxr_> hi ojh 17:54 < morfoh> hi ojh 17:54 < veki> quit 17:54 < mnemoc> rxr_: i can ask, but i doubt anyway 17:54 -!- veki [n=vedran@217.24.19.40] has quit ["leaving"] 17:55 < rxr_> mnemoc: just ask if they attend CeBIT and if yes to flight together if that would decrease overall costs ... 17:55 < rxr_> if he is not too awful .... 17:55 < rxr_> only talked to him shortly so no idea ... 17:59 < rxr_> cool - cpufreq scaling for my G5 I think on the powerpc list ... 17:59 -!- veki [n=vedran@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 18:07 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178191249.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:08 -!- You're now known as rxr 18:10 < CIA-9> aldas * r14611 /trunk/package/graphic/djvulibre/ (djvulibre.desc gcc-4.0.patch no_x-desktop.patch): 18:10 < CIA-9> * updated djvulibre (3.5.14 -> 3.5.16) 18:10 < CIA-9> * added no_x-desktop.patch - to avoid shared files conflict with 18:10 < CIA-9> kdelibs 18:10 < CIA-9> * removed gcc-4.0.patch - obsolete 18:11 < Baldzius> sh!t :) 18:13 < Baldzius> hi master of cakes, hi mnemoc :) 18:13 < morfoh> Baldzius: hi gun master 18:14 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178164226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 18:14 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - LIBTOOL ETAL MUST DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 18:14 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Jan 6 23:06:07 2006] 18:14 [Users #t2] 18:14 [@ChanServ] [ Datahell] [ LMJ ] [ nzg] [ rxr_ ] [ veki ] 18:14 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ mnemoc] [ ojh] [ sepp ] [ zod ] 18:14 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ owl] [ sparc-kly__] [ _Ragnar_] 18:14 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ mtr ] [ rxr] [ valentin ] 18:14 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 23 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal] 18:14 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 18:14 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 18:15 < morfoh> Baldzius: if you want you can check freeradius on your trunk ref too 18:15 < mnemoc> pre0.... 18:15 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 18:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: ? 18:17 < mnemoc> is that like a pre-alpha or pre-beta or pre-release_candidate? 18:17 < morfoh> pre-release 18:17 < Baldzius> morfoh: i am out of space :) can't have ref builds for now 18:17 < mnemoc> :) 18:19 < Baldzius> can't find courage to delete gentoo partition :) 18:22 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178158231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:42 < CIA-9> aldas * r14613 /trunk/package/www/links/ (links.conf links.desc): * updated links (2.1pre19 -> 2.1pre20) 18:42 -!- veki [n=vedran@217.24.19.40] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 18:44 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178173058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 18:44 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - LIBTOOL ETAL MUST DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 18:44 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Jan 6 23:06:07 2006] 18:44 [Users #t2] 18:44 [@ChanServ] [ Datahell] [ LMJ ] [ nzg] [ rxr_ ] [ veki ] 18:44 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ mnemoc] [ ojh] [ sepp ] [ zod ] 18:44 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ owl] [ sparc-kly__] [ _Ragnar_] 18:44 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ mtr ] [ rxr] [ valentin ] 18:44 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 23 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal] 18:44 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 18:44 -!- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp 18:55 -!- rxr__ [n=rene@e178173175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 18:55 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - LIBTOOL ETAL MUST DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 18:55 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Jan 6 23:06:07 2006] 18:55 [Users #t2] 18:55 [@ChanServ] [ Datahell] [ LMJ ] [ nzg] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin] 18:55 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ mnemoc] [ ojh] [ rxr__ ] [ veki ] 18:55 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ owl] [ sepp ] [ zod ] 18:55 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ mtr ] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly__] [ _Ragnar_] 18:55 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 24 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 23 normal] 18:55 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 18:55 < mnemoc> o.o 18:55 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 33 secs 18:56 < veki> hi 18:56 < veki> o.o 18:56 < mnemoc> hi veki 18:56 * mnemoc wonders which is the real rene 18:56 < veki> so rene does have copies of itself? 18:56 < veki> or himself:-) 18:59 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178164226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:01 < demian> a good scheduler (like outlook's.. better of course) for linux, not kde ? 19:01 < nzg> demian: evolution maybe? 19:03 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178173058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:07 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178179153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 19:07 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - LIBTOOL ETAL MUST DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 19:07 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Jan 6 23:06:07 2006] 19:07 [Users #t2] 19:07 [@ChanServ] [ Datahell] [ LMJ ] [ nzg] [ rxr__ ] [ veki ] 19:07 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ mnemoc] [ ojh] [ sepp ] [ zod ] 19:07 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ owl] [ sparc-kly__] [ _Ragnar_] 19:07 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ mtr ] [ rxr] [ valentin ] 19:07 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 23 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal] 19:07 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 19:07 < demian> ok. 19:08 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 26 secs 19:10 < demian> someone here have used trac ? 19:10 < mnemoc> trac.t2-project.org? 19:12 < rxr> mnemoc: with http*:// it produces a link in the .html log for google .. 19:12 < rxr> rehi 19:12 < mnemoc> http://trac.t2-project.org? 19:12 < mnemoc> wb rxr 19:13 < mnemoc> rxr: did you got my 8 lines on query? 19:13 < mnemoc> get* 19:14 < demian> nice. 19:15 -!- rxr__ [n=rene@e178173175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: this PATH_MAX issue was merged into 2.1 branch ... it's not complaining while build 2.1.1 19:18 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:19 < misl> hi folks :) 19:19 < demian> wb misl 19:19 < morfoh> hi misl 19:19 < misl> morfoh: how was you bday? 19:19 < mnemoc> morfoh: what? 19:19 < mnemoc> morfoh: i have built 6 mini-mnemosynes on diet today 19:19 < misl> I sang here for you yesterday. :D 19:20 < morfoh> misl: I can imagine ... thanks a lot 19:21 < mnemoc> morfoh was on $topic yesterday :) 19:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: really ... sorry that I missed that 19:30 < morfoh> [20:19:55] morfoh: i have built 6 mini-mnemosynes on diet today <-- and you didn't told me before ? 19:31 < mnemoc> i'm cleaning detilibc/*, so i need to test 19:31 < morfoh> guess the price for beeing able to build a diet target was, that we screwed up the rest 19:32 < mnemoc> nah 19:32 < mnemoc> i haven't commit that to 2.1 19:32 < mnemoc> i test on 2.1 and commit to trunk :p 19:32 < morfoh> bad boy 19:35 < rxr> oh 19:35 < rxr> our svn log graphs stoped regenerating 19:37 < rxr> Segmentation fault (core dumped) ploticus -png -o $basename.png $basename.pl 19:37 < rxr> ouhm 19:37 < mnemoc> o.o 19:37 < rxr> guess it wants the overlapping lines finally split up by year ... 19:38 < mnemoc> but segfault?? 19:38 < rxr> ploticus it not the cleaned piece of code 19:38 -!- veki [n=vedran@217.24.19.40] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 19:38 < rxr> I already removed one sub-project because the input made it segfault ... 19:42 < rxr> (gdb) bt 19:42 < rxr> #0 0x401a66aa in mallopt () from /lib/libc.so.6 19:42 < rxr> #1 0x401a57c3 in malloc () from /lib/libc.so.6 19:42 < rxr> #2 0x401675d5 in qsort () from /lib/libc.so.6 19:44 < misl> mnemoc: I did a lot of arch optimized 2.1 minimal building. All build for amd64 succeeded, but all others stopped at about the 13th package :( 19:45 < misl> I am not sure if it where cross builds or not. Have to wait for noisy to come up again to find out. 19:45 < morfoh> misl: other arch ? 19:45 < sepp> mm=`pkgprefix ver tcl | cut -d . -f 1-2` <- hmm that does not work 19:45 < sepp> how is it supposed to be? 19:45 < misl> morfoh: I tried every available arch 19:45 < mnemoc> misl: 1-sysfiles is the last package on stage 1 19:46 < morfoh> did you enabled cross-compiling ? 19:46 < mnemoc> sepp: 1.2.3.4.5 -> 1.2 19:46 < misl> morfoh: I am not sure, I just started what I prepared over a week ago 19:46 < mnemoc> uhm.... '\.' ? 19:46 < morfoh> there is a checkbox in Config 19:46 < misl> I will check tomorrow :) 19:47 < sepp> i mean `pkgprefix ver tcl` returns "pkgprefix: package tcl is not present" in tcl 19:47 < morfoh> misl: ok :) 19:47 < mnemoc> sepp: if you are on tcl, use $ver to get tcl's version 19:47 < sepp> ok, thanks :) 19:47 < mnemoc> sepp: on other packages use pkgprefix 19:48 < misl> morfoh: I know about the checkbox, but I think I hack the config file :) with a sed command to speed up changes multiple configs 19:48 < mnemoc> like tk 19:48 < sepp> mnemoc: ok i got it 19:48 < mnemoc> :) 19:48 < mnemoc> good 19:49 < rxr> hm - with less data it does not crash ... 19:49 < rxr> C code ... 19:50 < mnemoc> i told you to split it :p 19:51 < morfoh> ohoh 19:52 < rxr> I always tell not to write code in C 19:53 < mnemoc> #include 19:53 < morfoh> rxr: some other tell not to write C++ 19:54 < rxr> who? Linus or Miguel Icaza ... ? 19:54 < morfoh> fefe 19:54 < rxr> muhahaha ... 19:54 < morfoh> why are you sounding like a cow ? 19:54 < rxr> I can not count on my hands the segfault cases he has in his embutils/mount.c ... 19:54 < mnemoc> :D 19:55 < morfoh> rxr: you know ... good software needs time to evolve ... so don't blame the poor guy 19:56 < ojh> rxr: mnemoc: The language does not make the programmer. You can write bad code in "safe" languages and air tight code in "low-level" languages. 19:56 < rxr> hm svn up from 12xxx to HEAD takes some time - even without latency on exactcode.de 19:56 < rxr> ojh: yes, ack 19:56 < mnemoc> rxr: imagine from chile 19:57 < rxr> # ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -debug -deps=none ploticus 19:57 < rxr> checking ploticus ... Installed and up-to-date. 19:57 < rxr> mnemoc: we code too fast .. 19:58 < mnemoc> :) 19:59 < ojh> rxr: I have released the first functional release of the ZDE project. Its a "technology preview" release. http://zirconium.xisystems.net/ 20:03 < morfoh> ojh: but you ripped of the Zope Logo ;) 20:04 < ojh> ??????? I have never looked at Zope - Its a completely origonal design!!!!!! 20:05 < mnemoc> zope is great 20:05 < mnemoc> your logo is fraud :p 20:06 < morfoh> ojh: sorry that I "teased" mnemoc, but at least the 2 logos are looking quite similar 20:06 < ojh> The logo is by no means idintical, simular - a Z on a circular background. 20:06 < mnemoc> very close to identical :p 20:07 < mnemoc> same Z, different rotation, on a circular background 20:07 -!- lars [n=lars@p54A583D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 20:07 < morfoh> ojh: guess you ever visited zope.org 20:09 < sepp> hmmm ruby-tk is still working so i have not destroyed tcl/tk :) 20:09 < mnemoc> how is that an argument against the logo similarities? 20:12 < ojh> mnemoc: Point taken, a more origonal logo needed. Perhaps something dimond shaped, like a cubic-zirconium gem stone. 20:13 < mnemoc> ojh: :) 20:15 < ojh> mnemoc: Well at least I am getting a bit if practice with Inkscape . . . 20:17 -!- lars [n=lars@p54A583D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["leaving"] 20:18 < mnemoc> :) 20:22 < sepp> + install -m 644 ../generic/tcl{Math,Int,IntDecls}.h $includedir 20:22 < sepp> oops 20:22 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/tcltk.patch ok now? 20:24 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-25-56.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 20:26 < jsaw> sepp: trying it now 20:28 < jsaw> sepp: but it is not a bash related patch... 20:28 < jsaw> sepp: these are stray quotes 20:28 < jsaw> sepp: it is only that the new bash detects them 20:29 < sepp> well, yes 20:29 < jsaw> sepp: so, name them "stray-quotes-fix.patch" or so, 20:29 < jsaw> sepp: then you can commit 20:29 < jsaw> ok no 20:29 < jsaw> wait 20:29 < jsaw> tk.conf: to be sure I think u should prepend $root in front of $bindir etal 20:30 < demian> how can i send a mail from console indicating the subject and smtp server ? 20:30 < sepp> ln -vsf $root/$bindir/wish$mm $root/$bindir/wish ? 20:31 < jsaw> no 20:31 < jsaw> only the last argument 20:31 < jsaw> ln -vsf /$bindir/wish$mm $root/$bindir/wish 20:31 < jsaw> *IIRC* 20:32 < jsaw> (tcl.conf also) 20:32 < sepp> yes 20:39 < jsaw> tcl flist looks fine 20:39 < jsaw> commit it! 20:40 < sepp> with: ln -vsf /$bindir/tclsh$mm $root/$bindir/tclsh; ln -vsf /$libdir/libtcl$mm.so $root/$libdir/libtcl.so etc? 20:40 < jsaw> yep 20:40 < jsaw> whatever goes wrong can be still fixed :) 20:40 < sepp> whats the $root for btw? 20:41 < jsaw> in case you do cross compile 20:41 < sepp> ahh ok 20:42 < jsaw> demian: mail 20:42 < jsaw> ? 20:43 < jsaw> package mailx 20:44 < jsaw> don't remember really 20:44 < jsaw> demian: yes, it's "mail" 20:44 < demian> jsaw:i see no way in 'mailx' how to specify server 20:45 < demian> smtp server. 20:47 < sepp> hmm with `ln -vsf /$bindir/tclsh$mm $root/$bindir/tclsh` i get /usr/bin/tclsh -> //usr/bin/tclsh8.4 20:47 < jsaw> hmmm 20:49 < jsaw> omit the first slash 20:49 < jsaw> ln -vsf $bindir/tclsh$mm $root/$bindir/tclsh 20:51 < jsaw> yes, that's right 20:51 < sepp> :) 20:52 < jsaw> bindir etal is sometimes set incorrectly, but as long as scripts/functions.in does it, there's the / in front 20:53 < demian> i hate sendmail 20:54 < jsaw> demian: why not using nullmailer? 20:55 < demian> what's that ? 20:55 < jsaw> [I] Simple relay-only mail transport agent 20:56 < jsaw> If you need more, use sth. else, like qmail for example 20:56 < CIA-9> sebastian * r14614 /trunk/package/base/tcl/ (stray-quotes.patch tcl.conf tcl.desc tcl_config.sh): 20:56 < CIA-9> * updated tcl (8.4.9 -> 8.4.12) 20:56 < CIA-9> * reworked tcl config 20:56 < demian> i just want to send mails, not receive.. 20:56 < jsaw> so, use nullmailer 20:57 < mnemoc> ack, nullmailer is for you 20:57 < CIA-9> sebastian * r14615 /trunk/package/x11/tk/ (stray-quotes.patch tk.conf tk.desc): * updated tk (8.4.10 -> 8.4.12) 20:57 < mnemoc> nullmailer 1.0.1 support smtp-auth :) 20:58 < CIA-9> sebastian * r14616 /trunk/package/develop/itcl/ (itcl.conf stray-quotes.patch): * removed old tcl config code 21:10 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFD44B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:13 < jsaw> sepp: looks good, tcl seems to work also on x86-64 21:13 < sepp> good :) 21:14 < mnemoc> sepp: thanks for the cleanup 21:15 < sepp> ;) 21:16 < mnemoc> sepp: http://svn.exactcode.de/ :D 21:17 < sepp> ??? 21:17 < sepp> you mean i should look for more such alien config things? 21:20 < jsaw> YEAH 21:22 < mnemoc> nah, the graph :) 21:22 < jsaw> no no no, look for the alien config things... ;) 21:22 < mnemoc> :D 21:22 < mnemoc> jsaw: do you want to hunt for the glibc-based fl_wrapper on dietlibc-only enviroment? 21:24 < mnemoc> .oO( where is jsaw? )o 21:26 -!- ojh [n=omer@70-56-25-56.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 21:27 < CIA-9> amery * r14617 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf: * changed dietlibc to set (and use) $includedir 21:28 * jsaw disappears when he hears glib|libtool|auto.* 21:28 * jsaw disappears when he hears glibc|libtool|auto.* 21:28 < jsaw> ups 21:29 < sepp> hehehe 21:29 < mnemoc> i haven't say those ugly words :) 21:29 < jsaw> you said glibc 21:29 < sepp> what about more bad words like "gnome" ? 21:29 < mnemoc> it's a dietlibc issue :) 21:29 < mnemoc> *G* 21:29 < jsaw> I have to admit that I like the look and feel of gnome 21:29 * jsaw hides 21:29 < mnemoc> jsaw: do you want to hunt for the non-dietlibc-based fl_wrapper on dietlibc-only enviroment? 21:30 < jsaw> mnemoc: if I had a working setup (which includes email) I'd say, send me the config... 21:30 * mnemoc use xfce + taskbar plugin, so the footbar use the whole window, and not topbar 21:30 < sepp> i really like when they swap yes/no all the time 21:30 < sepp> gtk ... 21:30 < jsaw> I like topbar... 21:30 < jsaw> sorry 21:31 < jsaw> anyway 21:31 < mnemoc> jsaw: i can upload it to a http:// :) 21:31 < jsaw> good, do so 21:31 < jsaw> I'll have a look at 21:31 < jsaw> it 21:34 < jsaw> btw, currently I'm running e17 21:34 < mnemoc> :) 21:34 < jsaw> (I'm waiting for a generic compilation to finish...) 21:34 < sepp> and? 21:34 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/sedu_config 21:35 < sepp> i like e17 a lot 21:35 < mnemoc> jsaw: try on 2.1 if you don't want to fight 1-perl 21:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: ? 21:35 < jsaw> mnemoc: I'll go the hard way... 21:35 < mnemoc> :D 21:35 < mnemoc> in that case i'll give my current diff to dietlibc/pkg_perl 21:36 < jsaw> gimme 21:36 < jsaw> sepp: I like e17 too, but it's not really usable (in terms of configuration) yet 21:37 < sepp> ahh yes there is no gui for menu editing or so :/ 21:37 < jsaw> and not enough .eap files 21:37 < jsaw> I don't want to do my own... 21:39 < rxr> n8 all 21:39 < rxr> have to sleep 21:39 < rxr> still too much uni stuff on the todo for tomorrow 21:39 < sepp> good night rxr 21:40 < rxr> n8 sepp 21:43 < jsaw> cu rxr 21:43 < jsaw> mnemoc: where's the pkg_perl? 21:44 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/dietminiperl.diff 21:44 < mnemoc> sleep well rxr 21:45 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"] 21:48 < jsaw> mnemoc: the first thing I can see is, that BUILDCC does not seem to be prefixed with diet 21:48 < jsaw> or is it? 21:48 < mnemoc> BUILDCC=cc --> /usr/bin/cc --> diet wrapper 21:49 < jsaw> ic 21:49 < mnemoc> less intrusive than hacking BUILDCC 21:50 < jsaw> ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg diet 21:50 < jsaw> let's see ;) 21:50 < mnemoc> my config? 21:50 < jsaw> yep 21:50 < mnemoc> it's a mini-lightweight-mnemosyne 21:51 < mnemoc> just for test purposes 21:52 < mnemoc> i'll keep cleaning dietlibc.conf 21:52 * jsaw wants some install-time package template selection 21:52 < mnemoc> [OXB] is on my TODO 21:52 < mnemoc> O: disabled 21:52 < jsaw> OXB ? 21:53 < mnemoc> X: built and packaged 21:53 < mnemoc> B: just built 21:53 < mnemoc> any cleaner approach? 21:53 * jsaw needs to continue on lua implementation... 21:53 < mnemoc> fix dietlibc@chroot first :) 21:54 < jsaw> don't worry, before I have set-up my new computer I'll will focus on compiling t2 mainly 21:55 < mnemoc> no more microscope? 21:58 < jsaw> of course 21:58 < mnemoc> cool! a full-time jsaw just for me :p 21:59 < jsaw> just the first week of the year... 21:59 < mnemoc> so, until today? 21:59 < jsaw> slowly sorting what was put on the this-can-wait pile... 22:00 * mnemoc was on the this-can-wait pile 22:00 < jsaw> as long as I'm not paid full time (another 2 to 3 month), I'll have a couple of spare evenings 22:02 < mnemoc> :D 22:02 < mnemoc> welcome back :) 22:03 * morfoh silently fetched a sedu_config for testing 22:04 < morfoh> hi jsaw btw 22:05 < mnemoc> morfoh: it's not a real sedu, it' very reduced 22:06 < morfoh> ic ic 22:09 < jsaw> hi morfoh 22:38 < jsaw> mnemoc: hmm, 1-perl fails... 22:38 < jsaw> reentr.c:350: error: too many arguments to function 'gethostent_r' 22:38 < jsaw> trying on a x86 system... 22:38 < mnemoc> i know 22:39 < mnemoc> i gave you my _current_ pkg_perl, not a world saver :) 22:41 * jsaw is shocked 22:41 * jsaw thought mnemoc knows the solution to save the world 22:42 < mnemoc> not yet :) 22:45 < sepp> good night * 22:45 < mnemoc> the problem is Configure looks at host, and miniperl is built using toolchain's 22:45 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp :) 22:45 < jsaw> also from me, sepp 22:45 < mnemoc> Configure includes 'crosscompiling' support, but using ssh to a 'targethost' 22:45 < jsaw> mnemoc: o.o 22:46 < jsaw> >.< 22:46 < mnemoc> in crosscompiling mode it accept usrincdir= 22:46 < mnemoc> what would solve this issue imo 22:47 < mnemoc> and i have the hope moving the -Dusrincdir= support to non-crosscompiling should solve most of the problems 22:47 < mnemoc> well... those are my last minute thoughts :p 22:51 < mnemoc> jsaw! 22:51 < mnemoc> /TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/diet-bin/i686-t2-linux-gnudietlibc-gcc 22:51 < mnemoc> #!/bin/sh 22:51 < mnemoc> #PATH=${PATH/$(dirname $( type -p $0 ))/}; PATH=${PATH/::/:} 22:51 < mnemoc> exec i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc "$@" 22:51 < jsaw> oh oh 22:51 < jsaw> that's not nice! 22:55 * mnemoc wonders when to use diet and when dyn-diet 22:55 < mnemoc> diet-dyn 22:55 < jsaw> ouhm 22:55 < mnemoc> well, let's start with diet 22:55 < jsaw> maybe patch diet-dyn to exec diet if -static found... 22:56 < mnemoc> sounds good 22:56 < mnemoc> probably even handled 22:59 * mnemoc starting yet-another-new-purediet-build today 22:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: did you changed some tail stuff within 2.1 ? 22:59 < mnemoc> nothing 22:59 < morfoh> in trunk ? 23:00 < mnemoc> install_init is automatized now 23:00 < mnemoc> by misc/tail/install_init.in 23:01 < mnemoc> moving init files installations out of $pkg.conf 23:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... will take a look 23:01 < mnemoc> very basic anyway 23:02 < mnemoc> only quagga is doing explicit calls 23:03 < jsaw> DIE LIBTOOL DIE 23:03 < jsaw> !> usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/libxml2mod.la contains build system paths! 23:03 < jsaw> !> The package should possibly flagged with "LIBTOOL-QUIRK" 23:04 < jsaw> (new day here, so it should start with the daily libool bashing) 23:04 < mnemoc> it's on $topic 23:04 < mnemoc> what about DIE LIBTOOL ETAL DIE ? 23:05 < jsaw> :) 23:05 < jsaw> romeo must die... 23:05 < mnemoc> i'll take that as a 'yes' 23:06 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 - DIE LIBTOOL ETAL DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 23:06 < mnemoc> fsck! 23:06 < mnemoc> each time i change the topic i remember i have to write 2.1.1 announcement, and some minutes later i forget :( 23:06 < mnemoc> i have to ride home anyway :( 23:06 < mnemoc> == 20:06:32 =[1]=> Building base/dietlibc [0.28 2.1-stable]. 23:06 < mnemoc> back in 45m 23:07 < morfoh> cu mnemoc 23:07 < morfoh> save "journey" 23:07 < mnemoc> i have had some 'issues', but i'm gaining experience :) 23:07 < mnemoc> cu 23:08 < morfoh> good 23:08 < mnemoc> and killing some stress :p 23:08 < mnemoc> cu 23:08 < morfoh> cu 23:44 < demian> cu on monday 23:48 < jsaw> gotta sleep, cu all 23:48 < morfoh> sleep well jsaw --- Log closed Sun Jan 08 00:00:35 2006