--- Log opened Tue Jan 10 00:00:47 2006 00:02 < CIA-9> aldas * r14677 /trunk/package/x11/afterstep/ (afterstep.conf afterstep.desc): * updated afterstep (2.1.2 -> 2.2.0) 00:11 < mnemoc> Baldzius: don't forget java api 00:11 < mnemoc> Baldzius: if you want bdb44, better add a new package 00:13 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14678 /trunk/package/base/libtool/ (dlsearch-path.patch libtool.desc): 00:13 < CIA-9> * use ld.so.conf only as reference for dl search path 00:13 < CIA-9> * copyright update 00:13 < Baldzius> hm 00:14 < Baldzius> well i'll try updating 4.3->4.4 00:14 < karasz> sleep for me too 00:14 < Baldzius> gn8 karasz :) 00:14 < karasz> today's resumee: 00:14 < karasz> added mdf2iso 00:15 < mnemoc> Baldzius: don't update the package, make a new one first 00:15 < karasz> failed vlc again same assembley stuff 00:26 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178162185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 00:26 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - DIE LIBTOOL ETAL DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 00:26 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 7 23:05:57 2006] 00:26 [Users #t2] 00:26 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 00:26 [ axion ] [ Datahell] [ karasz] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] [ zod ] 00:26 [ Baldzius] [ demian ] [ LMJ ] [ nzg ] [ sepp] [ _Ragnar_] 00:26 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 00:26 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 00:26 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 00:26 < karasz> someone may use it i guess 00:26 < mnemoc> ehm 00:26 < karasz> as in? 00:27 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 00:29 < mnemoc> as in what? 00:29 < karasz> ehm as in? 00:29 < karasz> [02:24] mnemoc ehm 00:30 < mnemoc> ehm as is, are you really packaging something not-standard, that you don't plan to use, just because someone on earth may be interested some day on trying a package which wont be integrated because you want try more than building it? 00:31 * karasz reading ^^ ... 00:31 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178151235.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:31 < mnemoc> you asked :) 00:32 < Baldzius> :))))))))) 00:32 < karasz> hmm which won't be integrayed in what? 00:32 < Baldzius> ok guys 00:32 < Baldzius> gn8 :) 00:32 < karasz> nighty night Baldzius 00:33 < karasz> hmmm... 00:33 < karasz> mnemoc, 00:33 < mnemoc> a cron 00:34 < karasz> from my poit of wiev things look this way: 00:34 < karasz> 1. i am trying to learn 00:34 < mnemoc> if you replace the standard-but-sucking vixie cron with something else, you want it working, not just existing 00:34 < mnemoc> if you add fcron to use it, great 00:34 < karasz> 2. I do not know C, perl or python, just a little bash 00:35 < karasz> 3. i have no svn access so i cannot mess things up anyway 00:35 < mnemoc> :) 00:35 < mnemoc> ok ok, go for fcron 00:35 < karasz> 4. The most i can do is a little bloat to ML 00:36 < karasz> 5. My bloat is comparable with the spam that gets through ML which is not much 00:36 < karasz> 6. The most i can break is the nerves of guys on #T2 00:37 < karasz> but i am forgiven for that , aren't I? 00:37 < karasz> :D 00:37 < mnemoc> nah 00:38 < karasz> anyway who the hell do you think really needs b5i2iso? 00:39 < mnemoc> that doesn't need integration 00:39 < karasz> i know it would be great if i could do at least half the amount of work some guys do 00:39 < mnemoc> o_O 00:40 < karasz> but i am doing only what i can do 00:40 < mnemoc> go for iy :) 00:40 < mnemoc> it 00:41 < karasz> i told you, my goal is to make a minimal distro with pgsql 00:41 < karasz> but until then i must learn a little more 00:41 < karasz> after that i can really use T2 in my work 00:41 < mnemoc> yeah 00:42 < karasz> now i am a little scared :( 00:42 < karasz> i do not feel yet T2 00:42 < mnemoc> uhm? 00:43 < mnemoc> what do you mean? 00:43 < karasz> it is a little hard to pass from a distro to T2 00:43 < mnemoc> :'( 00:44 < mnemoc> first try to get used to current sample distributions t2-minimal and t2-desktop 00:44 -!- ojh [n=omer@71-36-200-21.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 00:44 < karasz> with the other distros you have a feeling (which can be real or false, but exists) that some wise guru out there 00:44 < karasz> takes care of things 00:44 < karasz> with T2 that feeling does not exist, it's kinda eat your own ... 00:45 < nzg> you can have that with stable builds too 00:45 < nzg> (the feeling that s.o. takes charge) 00:45 < mnemoc> but /me is not 'some wise guru' 00:45 < karasz> nah mnemoc 00:46 < karasz> you missed my point 00:46 < karasz> it's like when you pass 18 00:46 < karasz> from now on you are responsible of what you are doing 00:46 < mnemoc> :) 00:47 < karasz> no more pre-chewed food, go out and hunt it for yourself 00:47 < karasz> i cherish the comunity here on #T2, but 00:47 < nzg> yeah but you can still have a more or less protected world by just using a prebuilt T2-desktop and adding just some packages at runtime as needed 00:47 < karasz> i cannot ask you or anybody else to do my job, that i messed up in some way 00:48 < karasz> ok nzg and why do i use T2 then? 00:48 < karasz> why not another distro? if i renounce the utmost feature of T2? 00:49 < nzg> you avoid cruft like SuSEConfig... 00:49 < karasz> i avoid SuSE entirely 00:49 < nzg> making an SDE for the sake of having an SDE is quite sensless 00:49 < karasz> nzg i do not understand that ^^ 00:49 < nzg> but making an SDE to make a good distro - that is a good goal 00:50 < karasz> did i said that i want to make a SDE? 00:50 < karasz> there are other people that do that far better than i can... 00:50 < nzg> no... but you said you renounce the T2 being in using prebuilt targets 00:51 < karasz> prebuilt targets are like a well crafted distro 00:51 < karasz> they are good but not unique 00:52 < nzg> yep. agreed. 00:52 < karasz> same level of speed or usability can be achived if you manage to find a good distro 00:53 < karasz> one must not stick with major distros, there are quite a few obscure ones which do very well 00:53 < karasz> problem is that they tend to die from lack of maintainers 00:53 < karasz> i am at the third one now, and it is not lookin' good 00:54 < mnemoc> what is not looking good? 00:54 < karasz> so that was the moment i decided that i need a SDE kinda thing, and i need to make my own distro 00:54 < karasz> mnemoc, the distro that i use now is on the dieing i am afraid 00:55 < karasz> no updates in 4 month 00:55 < karasz> minimal ML activity 00:56 < karasz> i went from Trustix->OpenNA->TinySofa 00:57 < nzg> oh, last news on tinysofa hp is quite old... 00:58 < mnemoc> karasz: what troubles are you having by using t2 2.1? 01:01 < nzg> so... i'm going to bed now. 01:01 < nzg> tomorrow a new toy will arrive ;-) 01:02 < nzg> gn8 01:03 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFF3C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:08 < karasz> mnemoc, i didn't say that i have troubles 01:08 < karasz> although gettin vlc to run is quite hard 01:08 < karasz> but no major showstoppers 01:09 < karasz> and i built trunk minimal quite ok on x86-64 01:09 < karasz> minimal being more than i care for my servers 01:20 < axion> hi 01:21 < axion> how is the US mirror working out? 01:28 < karasz> so cu guys 01:28 < karasz> night all 01:34 < mnemoc> axion: running, afaik :) 01:35 < mnemoc> karasz: you could take a look into big distributions for patches we could use to make vlc x86-64 compatible 01:40 < axion> cool 01:41 < mnemoc> + ssh mnemoc@axion.yi.org du -sh public_html/t2/ 01:41 < mnemoc> 9.2G public_html/t2/ 01:41 < mnemoc> axion: are you using t2? 01:42 < axion> mnemoc: not yet 01:42 < axion> i'm waiting for 2.2 stable 01:42 < jsaw> O.O 01:42 < mnemoc> wb dr.j 01:43 < axion> everytime i try 2.2 it errors somewhere 01:43 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 01:43 < axion> when i finally managed to finish compilation and install it, all of the software i needed for my desktop would not compile 01:44 < mnemoc> jsaw: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/vM9aMf85.html, the same config i gave you, but set to use glibc :( 01:44 < mnemoc> axion: desktop target? what arch? 01:44 < axion> mnemoc: minimal target 01:44 < axion> x86 01:45 < jsaw> axion: wait at least for kappa or lambda 01:45 < mnemoc> axion: minimal-basic_desktop built fine to me some weeks ago 01:47 < axion> mnemoc: after about 10 tries, i managed to compile a working minimal install cd, though all of the software i need doesn't work (a few that dont have t2 build scripts) 01:47 < axion> svn changes too much for my free time 01:47 < mnemoc> x86?? or x86_64/funky_something? 01:47 < axion> x86/p4 01:47 < mnemoc> ehm 01:48 < mnemoc> "i managed to compile a working minimal install cd", i built one for p4 yesterday - flawless. 01:48 < axion> when 2.2 goes stable i will work at creating t2 packages for the stuff i need, but until then i cant miss anymore days without the s/w i need 01:48 < axion> i have homework :( 01:49 < mnemoc> it's up to you 01:49 < mnemoc> jsaw: comments about what i pasted you? 01:49 < jsaw> sec 01:50 < jsaw> mnemoc: o_O 01:50 < jsaw> mnemoc: dietlibc/include/limits.h -> #define PATH_MAX 4095 01:51 < axion> unfortunately i only have 1 box to test with, and that's my desktop...i cant really mess with my server because i access it from school 01:51 < mnemoc> jsaw: that's glibc 01:51 < jsaw> huh 01:51 < jsaw> that's glibc???? 01:52 < mnemoc> # grep libc config/fatsedu/packages 01:52 < mnemoc> X 01---5---- 101.600 base glibc 2.3.5 / base/library LIBC 0 01:52 < mnemoc> O 01---5---- 101.700 base uclibc 0.9.27 / extra/base NOPARALLEL LIBC 0 01:52 < mnemoc> O 01-3------ 102.000 base dietlibc 0.28 / base/library DIETLIBC LIBC NOPARALLEL 0 01:52 < jsaw> gaggggagagagaggagaaga gallier 01:53 < jsaw> (ok, it's Gaul in english) 01:53 < jsaw> mnemoc: where's PATH_MAX defined? 01:56 < mnemoc> i guess limits.h doing #include_next to get linux headers' 01:56 < mnemoc> build/fatsedu-2.1-stable-x86-pentium2-mnemosyne/usr/include/linux/limits.h:14:#define PATH_MAX 4096 /* # chars in a path name including nul */ 01:57 < mnemoc> yes 01:57 < jsaw> hmmm 01:57 < mnemoc> build/fatsedu-2.1-stable-x86-pentium2-mnemosyne/usr/include/limits.h:124:# include_next 01:57 < jsaw> btw, why has dietlibc 4095...? 01:58 < mnemoc> PATH_MAX is used to limit strings right? 01:59 < mnemoc> 4k-1 # '\0' ? 01:59 < mnemoc> different interpretations of posix? 02:03 -!- jgs_ [n=jgs@p54AD3E71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 02:04 -!- jgs_ is now known as wasj 02:05 < wasj> mnemoc: I missed the last lines... seems like they're playing with the internet connection again at the institute 02:07 < wasj> mnemoc: ping 02:07 < mnemoc> pong 02:07 < mnemoc> different interpretations of posix? 02:08 < mnemoc> linux: /* # chars in a path name including nul */ 02:08 < mnemoc> dietlibc: chars in a path name not including nul ? 02:09 < mnemoc> but risky in the case you use dietlibc' schema, using glibc 02:10 < wasj> it is definitely strange... 02:12 < mnemoc> can you reproduce it there? 02:12 < mnemoc> morfoh told me about this and i didn't beleave him :( 02:13 < mnemoc> believe* 02:13 < wasj> mnemoc: haven't seen this yet 02:15 < mnemoc> bad 'use to be j.' bad 02:19 < wasj> try this: 02:19 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14679 /trunk/misc/tools-source/fl_wrapper.c.sh: 02:19 < CIA-9> * workaund in case PATH_MAX does not get defined 02:19 < CIA-9> (mysterious) 02:23 < jsaw> hmmm, seems to be back... 02:26 < mnemoc> O_O 02:26 < mnemoc> two juergens? 02:27 < jsaw> I'm mirrored in space-time 02:28 < mnemoc> too much exposition to radiation 02:29 < jsaw> no, just a problem with vacuum fluctuations 02:29 < jsaw> damn Casimir force 02:29 < mnemoc> O_O 02:31 < jsaw> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_force 02:31 < ojh> jsaw: All is well and good untill some one observs you . . . 02:32 < jsaw> hehe 02:32 < mnemoc> :) 02:32 * wasj looks around shoulder 02:32 * jsaw looks around shoulder 02:32 < mnemoc> jsaw: worked 02:32 < mnemoc> o_O 02:32 < ojh> Excuse me, I think my cat may have died - but I don't think I should look . . . 02:33 < wasj> damn, somebody tries to measure me 02:33 < mnemoc> my rabit died last sunday 02:33 -!- wasj [n=jgs@p54AD3E71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["leaving"] 02:33 < mnemoc> *LOL* 02:33 < jsaw> ups, he's gone 02:34 < ojh> mnemoc: Ah, you should not have looked in the box. 02:34 < jsaw> mnemoc: your or your childrens rabbit? 02:34 < mnemoc> childrens 02:34 < mnemoc> children 02:35 < mnemoc> mental note: don't copy&paste words with typos 02:35 < jsaw> lol 02:35 < CIA-9> amery * r14680 /branches/2.1/misc/tools-source/fl_wrapper.c.sh: * merged 14679 from trunk: workaund in case PATH_MAX does not get defined (mysterious) 02:35 < jsaw> come on, only apostrophy missing 02:35 < mnemoc> in fact the most depressed is the dog 02:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: :) 02:36 < jsaw> O_O 02:36 < jsaw> apropos Schroedinger 02:36 < mnemoc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schroedinger ? 02:36 < jsaw> did anybody here ever tried to shoot oneself into the foot by swallowing a gun? 02:37 < mnemoc> how is he related to dogs and rabits? 02:37 < jsaw> Schroedinger cat 02:37 * mnemoc has never touched a gun 02:38 < jsaw> those who answer with "No", I'll say, I'm sure you have used libtool at least once your life, so don't lie to me 02:38 < mnemoc> :D 02:41 < jsaw> ojh: what field are you in? 02:42 < mnemoc> prostitution? 02:42 * jsaw now tries to shoot into foot by directing bullet through nose 02:43 < jsaw> mnemoc: wher do you know that from...? 02:43 * mnemoc is ignorant but very intuitive 02:44 < ojh> jsaw: Currently I am an evil insurance adjuster. (cue evil laghter) I used to work for an anti-virus software company (cue evil-er laghter) 02:45 < jsaw> mnemoc: what kinda fine excuse is that? 02:45 < mnemoc> that's worse than prostitution 02:45 < jsaw> ohoh 02:45 < mnemoc> *g* 02:46 < jsaw> ojh: and what did you study? maybe infiltration or so? 02:46 < ojh> But sadly, I work behind a telephone. No use for the cattle prod :-( 02:47 < ojh> jsaw: Comp sci. 02:48 < jsaw> ic, DNA shuffling..., hmhm 02:48 * jsaw hides in fear 02:48 < mnemoc> o.o 02:49 < jsaw> okay, another try: 02:49 < ojh> jsaw: I am saving up for a re-sequencer. Then the real evil can be released. >:-D 02:49 * jsaw now tries to shoot into foot by farting 02:50 < CIA-9> amery * r14681 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf: * changed dietlibc to build native tools on toolsdir also for native builds on tools.cross 02:50 < jsaw> ojh: hey man, leave me alive! please! 02:50 < mnemoc> :p 02:51 < ojh> HA HA BHA HA HA HA!!!!!! 02:54 < ojh> But where are my freeking sharks with freeking lazers on their heads!?!?!?!? 02:54 < jsaw> hehe 02:55 < jsaw> his pets ran away 02:56 < CIA-9> amery * r14682 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/ (dietlibc.conf pkg_gcc_post.conf): * changed dietlibc to use $dietbin (diet or diet-dyn) when building the wrappers 03:07 -!- ojh [n=omer@71-36-200-21.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 03:10 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.251.159] has joined #t2 03:12 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.251.159] has quit [Client Quit] 08:05 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFE58E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 08:05 < nzg> moin 08:52 < valentin> moin 08:52 < valentin> hi nzg 08:52 < valentin> how ya doin ? 08:52 < nzg> moin valentin! 08:52 < nzg> good - just having breakfast 08:53 < nzg> so i'm not the only one up early 08:54 < valentin> well, my daughter wakes us up between 6:00 and 8:30 every day 08:54 < nzg> hm, how old is she? 08:55 < valentin> 6 month + 6:30 hours - one day quite exactly 08:56 < valentin> tomorow she will be a half year old 08:56 < nzg> will you celebrate? 08:56 < valentin> well, i guess not that much 08:56 < nzg> hm, i think i would 08:57 < valentin> with a cake and a half burning candle ;) ? 08:57 < nzg> babies are so cute ;-) 08:57 < valentin> yeah, and she is special :) 08:57 < nzg> a whole candle - always round upwards ;-) 08:58 < nzg> hm, i should open my room door or i won't hear the postman 09:00 < nzg> dhl even tracks it when you package is placed in the delivery-vehicle 09:01 < rxr_> re 09:01 < nzg> wb rxr_ 09:06 < valentin> moin rxr 09:07 < valentin> bbl 09:25 < LMJ> good morning the chan 09:29 < rxr_> rsync has issues with XX GB files ... :-(( 09:35 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEF5DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 09:35 < morfoh> moin 09:38 < rxr_> moin morfoh 09:38 -!- You're now known as rxr 09:42 < LMJ> hello morfoh and rxr 09:45 < morfoh> moin rxr 09:45 < morfoh> bonjour LMJ 09:46 < LMJ> comme ca va morfoh ? ;) 10:16 < mtr> moin 10:16 < karasz> moin all 10:17 < karasz> gutmorgen morfoh 10:17 < karasz> bonjour SerWou 10:17 < morfoh> guten morgen karasz 10:17 < karasz> ja, ja 10:17 < LMJ> bonjour karasz 10:17 < mtr> moin karasz 10:17 < karasz> moin mtr 10:17 < morfoh> oh! moin mtr 10:18 < mtr> moin morfoh ;-) 10:18 < karasz> schulenburg ?? 10:18 < karasz> which tutorial is "directly" related to T2? 10:30 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178168056.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 10:30 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - DIE LIBTOOL ETAL DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 10:30 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 7 23:05:57 2006] 10:30 [Users #t2] 10:30 [@ChanServ] [ Datahell] [ LMJ ] [ nzg ] [ valentin] 10:30 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ zod ] 10:30 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ rxr_] [ _Ragnar_] 10:30 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ mtr ] [ sepp] 10:30 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 10:30 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 10:30 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 10:31 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 10:38 < CIA-9> rene * r14683 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/ (etc/flexbackup.conf usr/bin/ usr/bin/flexbackup): 10:38 < CIA-9> * fixed archivista target to patch the afio parameters directly 10:38 < CIA-9> into the flexbackup script, since they are hardcoded there 10:38 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178162185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:38 -!- You're now known as rxr 10:42 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 10:43 < misl> hi all 10:44 < morfoh> hi misl 10:51 < rxr> mnemoc: 29 peeople on frappr now and one on the list mentioning t2 in his online tech resources ... 10:52 < rxr> mnemoc: and I got a mostly ACK form the german linux magazine to publish a T2 article as I once did for ROCK .... 10:52 < rxr> in 2000 or when that was ... 10:53 < rxr> mnemoc: hey your child made it into this issue: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/42/Software_News.pdf 10:54 < rxr> 2002/10 10:57 < morfoh> Rafaella :) 10:58 < rxr> http://www.linux-magazin.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2002/10/rock/rock.html 11:01 < rxr> me making two over 50GB chunks free on my athlon ... 11:01 < rxr> to analyze rsync performance bottlenecks ... 11:01 < rxr> with 50GB files, it slows down to a crawl (at a customer) 11:01 < rxr> where the () part is important ... 11:03 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178175017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 11:03 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - DIE LIBTOOL ETAL DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 11:03 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 7 23:05:57 2006] 11:03 [Users #t2] 11:03 [@ChanServ] [ Datahell] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] 11:03 [ axion ] [ demian ] [ misl ] [ nzg ] [ valentin] 11:03 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ zod ] 11:03 [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz ] [ morfoh] [ rxr_] [ _Ragnar_] 11:03 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 11:03 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 11:03 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 11:04 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 11:09 < rxr_> valentin: do you hang around at home today ? 11:10 < CIA-9> rene * r14684 /trunk/package/develop/libmhash/libmhash.desc: * updated libmhash (0.9.2 -> 0.9.4a) 11:11 < karasz> re 11:11 < karasz> rxr i kinda crawled over the "tutorials" from ML 11:11 < karasz> i didn't find them T2 related... 11:11 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178168056.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 11:12 < rxr_> karasz: mentioned t2 here and there 11:12 < rxr_> but that is good (tm) 11:12 < karasz> must have missed that :( 11:13 < rxr_> since many docs just read "with debian here" "use gentoo that way" "with fedora core patch that" "and suse (after update blubber)" and thus tutorials about whatever including such stuff like "as on my t2 system" or "on t2 you do just so" ... it will boost our public relation enormous 11:14 < rxr_> and that for free ,-) 11:14 < rxr_> so when people google for their latest x problem and find turorials mentioning "how easy it was to do on t2" we are in a win situation 11:14 -!- You're now known as rxr 11:15 < rxr> and with t2 on the WRT54g I doubt I would have that many reconnects .... 11:17 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/ <- this graph is just amazing ... 11:18 < mtr> gcc.conf:128ff, echo '#include_next ' > gcc/include/syslimits.h <-- causes the trouble with limits.h, PATH_MAX, etc 11:18 < rxr> mtr: trouble? have I missed s.th. ? 11:18 < mtr> perhaps its historal, and necessary for gcc 3.x, but at trunk it works without this quirk 11:19 < mtr> rxr: r14679, workaund in case PATH_MAX does not get defined (mysterious) 11:19 < morfoh> mtr: experienced the same problem on 2.1 branch 11:20 < rxr> and without the include_next thing the workaround is not needed ? 11:20 < morfoh> but not on 2.1.1 11:21 < mtr> morfoh: did you tried to build gcc without these special stage1 hack? 11:22 < morfoh> nope ... not yet 11:22 < morfoh> mtr: did you ? 11:23 < mtr> morfoh: yes, i did on trunk with gcc4, but have not tried with T2 2.1 yet 11:23 < rxr> 1 - echo '#include_next ' > gcc/include/sy 11:23 < rxr> slimits.h 11:24 < rxr> `- it is there since svn creation ... 11:24 < rxr> mtr: if it builds for you without please commit the removal 11:25 < morfoh> mtr: yes ... I can merge the commit on a local 2.1 branch here and try it too 11:26 < CIA-9> mtr * r14685 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc.conf: * fix gcc cross-compiler, let gcc install the right syslimits.h file 11:27 < morfoh> mtr: thx ;) 11:27 < mtr> morfoh: np ;-) 11:29 * morfoh needs a fresh coffee ... 11:29 < CIA-9> rene * r14686 /trunk/misc/tools-source/fl_wrapper.c.sh: * added a verbose warning to the fl_wrapper.c.sh PATH_MAX workaround 11:31 < mtr> the mysterious about this thing is, that the problem did not show up earlier, hmmm, possibly this will help other apps in stage 1, too 11:39 < morfoh> mtr: ack ... that's indeed quite mysterious 11:39 < rxr> also a ppc64 regression occured some days ago 11:39 < rxr> last week it built just fine 11:39 < rxr> now 1-gcc fails misteriously :-( 11:43 < morfoh> rxr: r14679 ? 11:43 < rxr> the new regression ? 11:43 < rxr> nope earlyer ... 11:43 < rxr> i'll find out some time 11:43 < morfoh> and after mnemoc merged it with r14680 I had the problems I think 11:43 < rxr> now I have to keep tracking rsync odditiy 11:44 < rxr> my failure is older 11:44 < rxr> it started friday or saturday or whenever 11:45 < morfoh> ah ok ... 11:46 -!- Datahell [i=Datahell@onitschkru.de] has left #t2 [] 11:46 < karasz> hmm why should anyone request a speciffic version of aclocal... ? 11:47 < karasz> my package fails because code requests aclocal 1.6 and i have 1.9 11:47 < karasz> o_O 11:49 [Users #t2] 11:49 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz] [ mnemoc] [ nzg ] [ valentin] 11:49 [ axion ] [ demian] [ LMJ ] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ zod ] 11:49 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ misl ] [ mtr ] [ sepp] [ _Ragnar_] 11:49 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 11:51 < rxr> 11:51 < rxr> Yahoo zeigt, wo eine Telefonnummer zu Hause ist 11:51 < rxr> Yahoo erweitert seine lokale Suche in Deutschland um die Möglichkeit, Namen und Adressen zu Telefonnummern zu finden. 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Freier Flash-Player für Linux angekündigt 11:51 < rxr> ouh 11:51 < rxr> Freier Flash-Player für Linux angekündigt 11:51 < rxr> `- 11:51 < Baldzius> good morning guys :) 11:51 < LMJ> good afternoon 11:52 < LMJ> hehe 11:52 < LMJ> hello Baldzius 11:52 < Baldzius> :) 11:52 < Baldzius> hi LMJ, rxr, karasz morfoh :) 11:52 < morfoh> moin Baldzius :) 11:53 < Baldzius> rxr: starting 0.9.3 libmhash changed API, it breaks php 5.1.1 even 11:53 < rxr> Baldzius: oh 11:53 < Baldzius> try to compile php for yourself :) 11:53 < Baldzius> 5.0.4 11:53 < morfoh> mtr: my 2.1 ref build continued with stage 2 11:54 < karasz> should i patch the configure? 11:54 < rxr> karasz: when it builds then ... 11:55 < karasz> ? 11:55 < rxr> karasz: when it builds then patch it 11:55 < rxr> karasz: but when it needs the tool in that version, the check might be there for a reason 11:55 < karasz> but i guess the patch should remove the version entirely 11:56 < karasz> i do not think that it really needs 1.6 11:56 < rxr> karasz: try it ... 11:56 < karasz> i will investigate more 11:56 < rxr> the auto* suff is highly fragile ... :-)) 11:56 < rxr> (( 11:57 < morfoh> rxr: but as you mentioned yesterday .. .we've to cope with auto*crap :( 11:57 < rxr> yep 12:00 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AF935B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 12:03 < morfoh> rxr: regarding PATH_MAX, at least on my 2.1 ref PATH_MAX was defined correctly within the headers 12:16 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.60] has joined #t2 12:16 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.122] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 12:16 < rxr> mnemoc: do you plan to get a linksys router soon / or should I buy a second one for testing ? 12:17 < rxr> I really need to get t2 on my box ... 12:17 < rxr> but can not have a downtime due the use of my neighbour ... 12:18 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AF9E3E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:18 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 12:31 < jsaw> re 12:32 < jsaw> rxr: does 1-gcc build for you? 12:33 < rxr> for ppc yes 12:33 < rxr> for ppc64 not 12:34 < jsaw> rxr: can you look in libsupc++ directory, Makefile.in, comment in front of CXXLINK 12:34 < jsaw> rxr: maybe we can switch the tag from CXX to CC 12:35 < rxr> oeh 12:35 < jsaw> rxr: same thing for libmath (both in libstdc++-v3 subdirectory) 12:35 < rxr> /dev/hdc2 147448040 83221176 64226864 57% /home 12:35 < rxr> /dev/hda3 89631884 500940 89130944 1% /usr/src 12:35 < rxr> need to start large scale rsync test now ... 12:35 < jsaw> rxr: or use CC instead of CXX, but I do not know what side effects this has... 12:36 * rxr neither 12:36 < jsaw> but the comment bears the answer 12:36 < jsaw> ... 12:37 < jsaw> rxr: do you the sources handy or I can paste it 12:37 < jsaw> do you have* 12:38 < rxr> jsaw: try so I would say 12:39 < jsaw> okay, I use CC instead of CXX for linking now 12:42 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:42 < rxr> whooohooo! 12:42 < jsaw> o.O 12:42 < rxr> hacked ppc64 assembly for syscall() into dietlibc libcompat !!! 12:42 < jsaw> wow 12:43 < rxr> well just some lines .. 12:43 < jsaw> anyway 12:43 < rxr> but I have never done syscall hackery, not to mention ppc64 assembly ... 12:43 < rxr> hm 12:44 < rxr> creating a dump 50 GB file out of lingering DVB-T mpeg2 dumps takes some time .. 12:44 < rxr> this rsync performance on XX GB files hunting will not be very funny ... 12:50 < rxr> ok, the error case of syscall does not yet work 12:50 < rxr> it seems 12:50 < rxr> # du -h test.dat 12:50 < rxr> 28G test.dat 12:50 < rxr> ouhm .. 12:51 < rxr> waitinf for rsync on that file will be fun ... 12:51 < rxr> Cpu(s): 0.0% us, 8.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 90.4% wa, 1.3% hi, 0.3% si 12:57 < rxr> 38G test.dat 12:57 < rxr> most time it took rearange disk content to have 2x > 60GB spare ... 12:59 < rxr> cool now it works 12:59 < rxr> # ./syscall 12:59 < rxr> foo 12:59 < rxr> a: -1, b: 9 13:03 < rxr> so, let's test if it works for udev and inotify ... 13:04 -!- veki [n=chatzill@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 13:17 -!- veki [n=chatzill@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 [] 13:17 < mnemoc> moin 13:18 < rxr> moin 13:18 < mnemoc> mnemoc: do you plan to get a linksys router soon / or should I buy a second one for testing ? <--- ? 13:18 < mnemoc> moin rxr 13:20 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 13:20 < mnemoc> hi dr.j 13:20 < jsaw> :) 13:21 < jsaw> mnemoc: you make me slowly getting used to it.... 13:21 < mnemoc> :D 13:24 < Baldzius> hi dr. j & dr. m :) 13:25 < mnemoc> Baldzius: he is a doctor, /me is not even a bachelor 13:25 < mnemoc> but hi Baldzius :) 13:27 < Baldzius> mnemoc: i'm not a bachelor either :) 13:27 < rxr> dr. india jones where? 13:27 < rxr> mnemoc: oh should be: morfoh: do you plan to get a linksys router soon / or should I buy a second one for testing ? 13:28 < mnemoc> hehe 13:28 < jsaw> hi Baldzius 13:29 < jsaw> doctor degree only is nothing more but an "official" synonym for being "stress tested"... 13:29 < rxr> mnemoc: !!!!! 13:29 < rxr> mnemoc: next regression 13:29 < mnemoc> o.o 13:29 < jsaw> o.o 13:30 < rxr> you install dietlibc into lib64-powerpc64 !!! 13:30 < rxr> . .. doc include lib-powerpc64 lib-ppc64 lib64 lib64-powerpc64 lib64-ppc64 man sbin share 13:30 < rxr> what this mess .. 13:30 < jsaw> mnemoc: better run and hid 13:30 < jsaw> hide* 13:30 < mnemoc> yeah 13:30 * mnemoc run 13:30 < rxr> and I wonder that my freshly linked udev still has not my fresh syscall() assembly ... 13:30 < mnemoc> $libdir-$arch is stupid anyway 13:30 * mnemoc hides 13:31 < Baldzius> :) 13:32 < rxr> mnemoc: hardcode lib- I would say ... 13:32 < mnemoc> libdir=${libdir%64} 13:33 < rxr> nop 13:33 < rxr> there might be people building lib32 libnof and so on ... 13:34 < mnemoc> dietlibc/dietlibc32 13:34 < rxr> ? 13:34 < rxr> dietlibcnof ? 13:35 < rxr> nof == no hw floatingpoint .. 13:35 < mnemoc> dietlibc should not be something 'foreign' to the system 13:35 < rxr> mnemoc: yes, it should be /lib/libc.a ... 13:35 < mnemoc> and if hw doesn't have floating point, libc wont support it. simple 13:36 < rxr> no I talk about multilib builds 13:36 < mnemoc> we don't support multi-anything currently 13:36 < rxr> there must not be hardcodings that remove 64, there might be 32 and nof variants in use 13:36 < rxr> and then it fails ... 13:36 < rxr> sure we does 13:36 < mnemoc> yes, that's why i used $libdir 13:36 < rxr> that is why we get lib and lib64 ... 13:37 < rxr> on x86-64, powerpc64, sparc64, ... 13:37 < mnemoc> glibc32 package 13:37 < mnemoc> glibcmymom package 13:37 < rxr> yeah 13:37 < rxr> lets use $prefix/lib there for the next months 13:38 < jsaw> *g* 13:38 < jsaw> libstdc++ just built, 13:38 < rxr> I hope your mom has not much in common with glibc ... 13:38 < jsaw> <- now anxiously waiting what else is gonna break 13:38 < mnemoc> i think it's cleaner to 'fix' libdir var than using $prefix/lib 13:38 < mnemoc> :) 13:39 < mnemoc> she doesn't know what glibc is :) 13:39 < mnemoc> but she is not slim 13:39 < mnemoc> so she 'shares' a few features of glibc 13:39 < jsaw> as long as she doesn't have to many ifdef's... it's ok 13:40 < jsaw> I can't believe it 13:40 < jsaw> no no 13:40 < jsaw> i can't 13:40 < jsaw> == 01/10/06 14:39:17 =[1]=> Finished building package gcc. 13:40 < jsaw> ^--- O.O 13:40 < rxr> heh 13:41 < mnemoc> :) 13:42 < mnemoc> rxr: libdir=/$prefix/lib is better than libdir=${libdir%64} to you? 13:43 < rxr> yes, for dietlibc right now 13:43 < rxr> in a year with autoamtic multlib for any package my opinon might differ ,-) 13:43 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14687 /trunk/package/base/gcc/libstdcpp-with-tag-cc.patch: 13:43 < CIA-9> * change libtool tag to CC for linking libstdc++, 13:43 < CIA-9> -> this prevents linking libstdc++ to itself 13:43 < CIA-9> (or in case of 64bit systems to the wrong format) 13:43 < morfoh> re 13:43 < mnemoc> foo-% :) 13:43 < rxr> mnemoc: I can commit 13:44 < morfoh> moin mnemoc : 13:44 < mnemoc> wb morfoh 13:44 < morfoh> :) 13:44 < rxr> hi morfoh 13:44 < mnemoc> rxr: ok, do it 13:44 < morfoh> rxr: do you have a nice offer for a wrt ? 13:44 < jsaw> rxr: please test r14687 13:44 < rxr> morfoh: I got mine from amazon ... 13:44 < rxr> mnemoc: what about this resorting: 13:44 < rxr> +var_append makeopt ' ' prefix=/$prefix 13:44 < rxr> +var_append makeinstopt ' ' prefix=/$prefix 13:44 < rxr> +var_append makeopt ' ' LIBDIR=$libdir 13:44 < rxr> var_append makeinstopt ' ' LIBDIR=$libdir 13:44 < rxr> -var_append makeopt ' ' LIBDIR=$libdir 13:44 < rxr> var_append makeinstopt ' ' BINDIR=$bindir 13:44 < rxr> var_append makeinstopt ' ' MAN1DIR=$mandir/man1 13:44 < rxr> -var_append makeinstopt ' ' prefix=/$prefix 13:44 < rxr> -var_append makeopt ' ' prefix=/$prefix 13:44 < jsaw> bbl 13:44 < rxr> cu jsaw 13:45 < mnemoc> rxr: sure, looks better 13:45 < rxr> one or two commits ? 13:45 < mnemoc> one ,-) 13:45 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 13:46 < mnemoc> wb freudian 13:46 < rxr> hey! 13:46 < morfoh> rxr: how much did you paid for it at amzon ? 13:46 < rxr> udevd looks better now on pppc 13:46 < rxr> hm 60EUR s.th. 13:46 < rxr> morfoh: make sure you do not get the crippled version that runs vxworks 13:46 < rxr> with half the ram and half the flash 13:47 < misl> hi * 13:47 < rxr> but I can get a 2nd router as well if you do noit need it immediatly ... 13:47 < rxr> hi misl ! 13:47 < morfoh> rxr: oh! yeah ... they can be identified by the serial I guess 13:47 < morfoh> hi misl 13:47 < rxr> morfoh: I think even model number 13:47 < rxr> SYS_275(0xfffff8740a0, 0, 0x8, 0xfffff873c83, 0x18) = 7 13:47 < rxr> SYS_276(0x7, 0x1002f610, 0x3c8, 0x18, 0) = 1 13:47 < rxr> `- inotify on ppc64 thru dietlibc 13:48 < rxr> cool - looks reasonable I think 13:48 < morfoh> .oO( why is koffice build before qt + kdebase crap ? )o 13:49 < rxr> hm 13:49 < rxr> the ide subsystem on my aging athlon is not the fastest 13:49 < rxr> and/or disks ... 13:50 < mnemoc> woh vmware package at ML 13:50 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah, and watch frappr and people mentioning t2 in their linux tutorials ... 13:50 < rxr> t2 world grows ... 13:51 < mnemoc> in their linux tutorials? where? 13:51 < rxr> mnemoc: see the list mail 13:52 < CIA-9> rene * r14688 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf: 13:52 < CIA-9> * fixed dietlibc to not use lib64 (or libnof or whatever) always use 13:52 < CIA-9> lib (for now) - also sorted some assignments for readability 13:52 < mnemoc> oh 13:52 < mnemoc> oh about ML :) 13:53 < rxr> kind words about your stable tree included ,-) 13:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: there is any change to get the linguaplone for t2 running for real usage? 13:54 < mnemoc> but i'm not happy with 2.1.1 ... :( 13:55 < rxr> # strace ./syscall 13:55 < rxr> write(1, "foo\n", 4foo 13:55 < rxr> ) = 4 13:55 < rxr> write(23, "bar\n", 4) = -1 EBADF (Bad file descriptor) 13:55 < rxr> SYS_275(0x10002e74, 0x1, 0xa, 0, 0) = 3 13:56 < rxr> cool, as expected works for ppc32 also ... 13:56 * rxr happy ... 13:56 < rxr> expected to need more time to get this syscall() fluff going ... 13:58 < mnemoc> "This tutorial has been tested with Rock Linux and T2 Linux (a derivate of Rock Linux). These two distributions are internationally rather unknown, but they are stable and, as yet, have no ambitions to support any of the Asian languages. Hence they were ideal for testing purposes." 13:59 < CIA-9> rene * r14689 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/ppc-libcompat-syscall.patch: * implemented libcompat/syscall for ppc/ppc64 (needed for latest udev, inotify) 14:03 < mnemoc> rxr: i was thinking in misc/locale/{config.in,parse-config} to localize builds, and then get the 'asian market' :) 14:04 < mnemoc> rxr: instead of adding every known language to every package, enabling the requested languages 14:05 * rxr can not imagine the particular details, but market sounds nice ,-) 14:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: gettext is your friend :p 14:06 < mnemoc> not for mozilla and not for openoffice 14:07 < mnemoc> rxr: on config a comma delimited list of locales, via parse-config filter what i10n files get packaged and using pkg_$pkg_{pre,post}.conf do package specific changes to get them support those languages 14:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: -> query 14:24 < rxr> mnemoc: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ 14:24 < jsaw> re 14:25 < jsaw> hehe 14:25 < morfoh> wb jsaw 14:25 < jsaw> I just did echo http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ > todo/gnash 14:25 < jsaw> hi morfoh 14:30 < mnemoc> rxr: first release? 14:31 < rxr> mnemoc: saw it first today 14:31 < rxr> mnemoc: on news sites 14:32 < rxr> mnemoc: either they worked in hidden corners or they cut'n pasted other GPL code ... 14:32 < rxr> no idea .. 14:32 < rxr> have not look into it or even tried it ... 14:33 < mnemoc> uhm... i'll have to fix samba.init on 2.1.1 and rebuild desktop isos i guess :\ 14:34 < rxr> mnemoc: which fix? 14:34 < rxr> the one already in trunk ? 14:34 < mnemoc> No smb.conf thing 14:35 < mnemoc> -f instead of ! -f :\ 14:35 < rxr> hm 14:35 < mnemoc> or publish the fix somewhere as a 'known bug' 14:35 < rxr> trunk affected as well then I fear ? 14:35 < mnemoc> it's commited iirc 14:36 < mnemoc> uhm no 14:36 < rxr> Cpu(s): 30.9% us, 14.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 54.5% wa, 0.7% hi, 0.0% si 14:36 < rxr> 3906 root 18 0 2792 1384 576 D 41.3 0.3 10:03.81 rsync 14:36 < rxr> rsync sycning a 50 gig file ... via ssh 14:36 < mnemoc> rxr: this: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/OvsYzx84.html 14:37 < mnemoc> 50 gig file? why that? 14:37 < rxr> support call from archiv. related projects last night 14:37 < rxr> they have such big mysql database files that needs to be replicated ... 14:38 < rxr> rsync does not scale into the 50 gig region ... 14:38 < rxr> eats CPU like nothing then and barely finishes ... 14:38 < rxr> it is the high priority todo on my desk ... 14:38 < mnemoc> why not send it splitted? 14:38 < mnemoc> 50x1G 14:38 < rxr> mnemoc: you want to split 100 gig just for fun before sending ? 14:38 < rxr> e.g. imagine only 20 more gigs are fee.... 14:38 < rxr> free 14:39 < rxr> aside beeing ugly and space wasting it would not scale either and waste i/o like nothing ... 14:39 < rxr> rsync needs to be fixed ... 14:39 * mnemoc wonders if the split can be done virtually using cpio and stuff 14:39 < rxr> also a quickfix would be scp 14:40 < rxr> ... 14:40 < rxr> still faster than dog slow rsync and splitting ... 14:40 < mnemoc> can rsync be fixed or it's a problem with the algorithm? 14:41 < rxr> those mails show up on the rsync list every now and then without too much technical discussion 14:41 < rxr> it might be as simple as tune some hash or window size ... 14:41 < rxr> I know more after I reproduce here nad profile ... 14:42 < mnemoc> if it were a simple issue, like tunning some hash or window size people would answer :) 14:43 < rxr> rsync does not like the most frequently used list 14:43 < mnemoc> people hides when they don't know what to ask :p 14:43 < rxr> more likely missed by the real core people 14:43 < rxr> and -ENOCARE 14:43 < mnemoc> uhm, yes 14:45 < rxr> I found it quite amazing that my favourite file transfer tool of the centure does not scale into the XX GB region ... 14:45 < rxr> I have expected more from rsync 14:46 < mnemoc> me too 14:47 < rxr> load average: 1.75, 1.63, 1.50 14:47 < rxr> Cpu(s): 59.0% us, 24.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 15.7% wa, 0.7% hi, 0.0% si 14:47 < rxr> 3910 root 18 0 12980 11m 620 R 59.7 2.2 5:33.33 rsync 14:47 < rxr> 3911 root 18 0 2572 892 276 S 21.0 0.2 2:04.19 rsync 14:47 < mnemoc> both sides explote or just sender? 14:47 < rxr> sending side slows down 14:48 < CIA-9> rene * r14690 /trunk/package/base/binutils/binutils.conf: 14:48 < CIA-9> * prettified binutils.conf hook to build in a objdir so it does not 14:48 < CIA-9> promote to other objdir packages ... 14:49 < rxr> ok - I grab lunch now, only got a croissant so far today .. 14:53 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p83.129.168.134.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 14:54 < mnemoc> wb sepp_ 14:59 < mnemoc> mtr_: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/zlgwD595.html <--- your patch on my 2.1, after reverting jsaw workaround on fl_wrapper.c.sh 14:59 < rxr> mnemoc: you rebuild the whole toolchain or from scratch ? 15:00 < mnemoc> just gcc 15:00 < mnemoc> but i can do what what want :) 15:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: what what what ? :) 15:03 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Cleanup -build build/fatsedu-2.1-stable-x86-pentium2-mnemosyne/ 15:03 < mnemoc> removing build/fatsedu-2.1-stable-x86-pentium2-mnemosyne ... 15:03 < mnemoc> morfoh: does phpagi work on lighttpd? 15:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: dunno ... but it would be nice to know 15:05 < mnemoc> http://www.schulenburg-edv.de/tutorial/heidi/heididebian.htm 15:06 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.157.99.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: did you ever tested lighttpd with php ? 15:07 < rxr> sent 1784706 bytes received 892437 bytes 868.22 bytes/sec 15:07 < rxr> total size is 49765200096 speedup is 18588.92 15:07 < rxr> real 51m23.321s 15:07 < rxr> user 11m4.142s 15:07 < rxr> sys 5m52.178s 15:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess if php is working on it ... phpagi should work as well 15:08 < morfoh> but guessing != knowing 15:09 < mnemoc> i run php on lighttpd on a vserver 15:09 < mnemoc> rxr: real is almost 10xsys o.o 15:09 < mtr_> mnemoc: oh - I feared that there was a reason for this syslimits.h hack :( 15:09 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 15:10 < rxr> mtr: let's see if we get regressions on trunk 15:10 < rxr> mnemoc: just don't add this change to 2.1 ... 15:10 < morfoh> rxr: 2.1 branch isn't building here without it 15:11 < morfoh> strange thing that is 15:11 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll merge your message to fl_wrapper's hack 15:11 < mnemoc> i don't understand what triggered that regression 15:11 < rxr> so - oprofile running 15:11 < rxr> let's see what numbers it will reviel when I'm back from lunch 15:12 < rxr> ouhm 15:13 * rxr better rebuildign rsync with debug symbols before I leave ... 15:13 < mnemoc> rxr,jsaw: bincimap is changing to mailman so you have to subscribe the one one 15:13 * rxr not on bincimap list 15:13 < rxr> I only subsribe to select ones, not all I use ... 15:13 < rxr> would be too much then ... 15:14 < rxr> and I already have a cronjob that deletes older than 3m mails form linux-kernel, kde, and so on ... 15:14 < rxr> that many mails are no fun ... 15:15 < mnemoc> lkml is a bit too much for me 15:15 < mnemoc> and i guess kde would also blow my mail server 15:20 < rxr> so - hungry rxr gone 15:21 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178171243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 15:21 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - DIE LIBTOOL ETAL DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 15:21 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 7 23:05:57 2006] 15:21 [Users #t2] 15:21 [@ChanServ] [ demian] [ misl ] [ nzg ] [ valentin] 15:21 [ axion ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ zod ] 15:21 [ Baldzius] [ karasz] [ morfoh] [ rxr_ ] [ _Ragnar_] 15:21 [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp_] 15:21 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 15:21 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 15:21 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 15:22 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178175017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:22 < demian> hi 15:22 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 15:22 < mnemoc> moin karasz 15:22 < karasz> hi demian 15:23 < morfoh> wb karasz 15:23 < morfoh> hi demian 15:23 < karasz> hello morfoh 15:31 < demian> cksum-test (raw): download/mirror/h/hddtemp-2005-05-29.db 15:31 < demian> Cksum ERROR: download/mirror/h/hddtemp-2005-05-29.db.cksum-err (3369582836) 15:32 < mnemoc> what mirror? 15:32 < demian> http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~t2/source/2.1 15:36 < mnemoc> demian: try axion.yi.org 15:36 < mnemoc> demian: or probably -mirror auto 15:36 < mnemoc> mine is 3646662829 15:37 < misl> Does anyone know how CVTranslations is used? 15:37 < misl> misc/share/CVTranslations 15:38 < misl> I want to add apache download locations 15:39 < misl> Ahh, I should have used DownloadTranslations 15:40 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14691 /trunk/package/gnome14/gtk-engines10/gtk-engines10.desc: * LIBTOOL-QUIRK #12 15:40 < mnemoc> misl: CVTranslations is used by the spider 15:40 < mnemoc> misl: it's just a sed file 15:40 < misl> So when I add something it should be in both 15:41 < misl> I already added something to CVTrans... but download didn't work 15:41 < misl> Now tryin the other one. 15:41 < mnemoc> DownloadTranslations is used by Download :) 15:41 < mnemoc> CVTranslations is used by CheckVersion 15:42 < mnemoc> i.e. CheckVersion should use prdownload.sourceforge.net and Download $mirror.dl.sourceforge.net 15:42 < mnemoc> e.g.* 15:43 < misl> I am adding : s,^http://dl.apache.org/,http://www.eu.apache.org/, 15:43 < CIA-9> amery * r14692 /trunk/package/base/hddtemp/hddtemp.desc: * updated hddtemp/hddtemp.db (2005-09-22 -> 2006-01-05) 15:44 < misl> :) works 15:44 < mnemoc> misl: DownloadTranslations rules :) 15:44 < rxr_> re 15:44 < mnemoc> rxr_: nexus is missing hddtemp-2005-05-29.db 15:44 < rxr_> ... 15:45 < mnemoc> rxr_: axion's mirror should have it, if you want to fetch from there 15:46 < rxr_> samples % image name symbol name 15:46 < rxr_> 4606491 44.0504 rsync mdfour64 15:46 < rxr_> 2740833 26.2097 rsync get_checksum1 15:46 < rxr_> 2052305 19.6255 rsync copy64 15:46 < rxr_> 363434 3.4754 rsync mdfour_update 15:46 < rxr_> so far 15:47 * mnemoc needs to learn to use gprof 15:50 < rxr_> this is oprofile 15:50 * mnemoc needs to learn to use oprofile 16:06 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14693 /trunk/package/mail/maildrop/maildrop.desc: * maildrop needs FPIC-QUIRK 16:13 < rxr_> jsaw: did you saw karasz post about s.th. needing LIBTOOL or FPIC ? 16:15 < rxr_> hm - can't find it in the log 16:20 < karasz> re 16:21 < karasz> rxr_, it was liblockfile which is neede to be FPIC for libetpan on x86-64 16:21 < karasz> mnemoc, 16:22 < mnemoc> karasz: 16:23 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp 16:23 < karasz> mnemoc, i need a little help 16:23 < karasz> could you take a look at http://karasz.pastebin.ca/36354 ? 16:23 < sepp> moin 16:23 < karasz> moin sepp 16:23 < sepp> hi karasz 16:24 < jsaw> rxr_: no, sorry, I was not paying attention... 16:24 < mnemoc> karasz: does that help you? 16:24 < karasz> yes 16:24 < mnemoc> karasz: ./configure, not configure 16:25 < karasz> but i get an error on automated build 16:25 < karasz> http://karasz.pastebin.ca/36355 16:25 < mnemoc> to apply with patch -p1 16:25 < karasz> ahm i will edit the patch 16:25 < mnemoc> yes, prefix the file with ./ 16:25 < karasz> oki doki 16:25 < mnemoc> +++ and --- 16:26 < karasz> ofcourse 16:26 < jsaw> gotta run home, cu later 16:26 < karasz> cu 16:28 < mnemoc> cu dr.j 16:32 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14694 /trunk/package/gnome14/libghttp10/libghttp10.desc: * LIBTOOL-QUIRK #13 16:34 < morfoh> bye bye ... have to go 16:35 < mnemoc> bye morfoh 16:35 < mnemoc> take care 16:37 < rxr_> re 16:37 < mnemoc> wb rxr_ 16:38 < morfoh> bye mnemoc ;) 16:38 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEF5DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 16:39 < rxr_> jsaw: 16:21 < karasz> rxr_, it was liblockfile which is neede to be FPIC for libetpan 16:39 < rxr_> on x86-64 16:40 < rxr_> samples % image name symbol name 16:40 < rxr_> 9947363 48.8254 rsync mdfour64 16:40 < rxr_> 4597470 22.5661 rsync copy64 16:40 < rxr_> 4206409 20.6466 rsync get_checksum1 16:40 < rxr_> 774069 3.7994 rsync mdfour_update 16:42 < mnemoc> less get_checksum1 and more copy64 16:43 < rxr_> but it is not as slow on my machine as on the customers site ... 16:44 < mnemoc> poor customers don't have your monsters 16:45 < rxr_> well, it was one 2GHz AMD chip whatsoever and a P4 based Archivista Box 16:46 < rxr_> depending whether real 2GHz or in the area or faster than my athlon ... 16:46 < karasz> mnemoc, ccd2iso packaged :D 16:46 < mnemoc> karasz: :D 16:46 < rxr_> i have run it on one box ssh localhost, doubt that makes a difference 16:46 < mnemoc> karasz: next we would need .desktop files for them :p 16:47 < misl> karasz = iso master? 16:47 < rxr_> though now testing rsync as setup there, and pulling the data on the the dual-core monster ... 16:47 < rxr_> misl: now IRC @work or holidaying @home ? 16:47 < rxr_> 1751056384 3% 11.15MB/s 1:10:05 16:47 < rxr_> I need giga ethernet here ... 16:48 < rxr_> the dual-core mac even has 2 ports of those ... 16:48 < misl> rxr_: sore back, sick at home :( 16:48 < rxr_> misl: autsch 16:48 < karasz> time for an apple 16:48 < rxr_> misl: all the best then 16:48 < misl> rxr_: thanks 16:50 < rxr_> 3542384640 7% 11.15MB/s 1:07:29 16:51 < rxr_> hm 16:51 < rxr_> sshd is spending quie some time on the ppc 16:51 < rxr_> guess it could use some more ppc assembly ... 16:54 < rxr_> AfterStep 2.2.0 (Stable) 16:55 < sepp> 01:02 < CIA-9> aldas * r14677 /trunk/package/x11/afterstep/ (afterstep.conf afterstep.desc): * updated afterstep (2.1.2 -> 2.2.0) 16:55 < sepp> :D 16:57 < rxr_> ah 16:57 < rxr_> t2 is faster than freshmeat... 16:58 < Baldzius> :) 17:01 < rxr_> samples % symbol name 17:01 < rxr_> 539525 62.6235 mdfour64 17:01 < rxr_> 239545 27.8044 copy64 17:01 < rxr_> 40747 4.7296 mdfour_update 17:01 < rxr_> 12662 1.4697 writefd_unbuffered 17:01 < rxr_> 9917 1.1511 sum_update 17:01 < rxr_> this is when rsync just pushes a non-existing file over the wir 17:01 < rxr_> e 17:03 < CIA-9> msluis * r14695 /trunk/package/java/commons-httpclient/commons-httpclient.desc: * updated commons-httpclient (2.0.2 -> 3.0) 17:04 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFE58E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:08 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178139087.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:08 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - DIE LIBTOOL ETAL DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 17:08 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 7 23:05:57 2006] 17:08 [Users #t2] 17:08 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_ ] [ zod ] 17:08 [ axion ] [ demian] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ _Ragnar_] 17:08 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 17:08 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 17:08 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 17:09 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 26 secs 17:13 < CIA-9> aldas * r14696 /trunk/package/graphic/cinepaint/cinepaint.desc: * updated cinepaint (0.20-1 -> 0.20-2) 17:16 < karasz> mnemoc, there is a minuscule problem with kdebase on stable 17:16 < karasz> hi minto 17:16 * mnemoc hearing 17:16 < karasz> minot /me looks around, no master here :) 17:16 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178171243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 17:16 < mnemoc> one just run away 17:17 < karasz> kdebase does not make menu entries for utilities lile kate or kcontrol... 17:17 < mnemoc> i have never used kde :\ 17:17 < karasz> also menuedit does not work on the K menu just on submenues 17:18 < karasz> i know that mnemoc 17:18 < karasz> but you are stable maintainer... 17:18 < karasz> i dunno whom else to say it... 17:19 < karasz> i tried to make a kappfinder but that didn't resolved things 17:19 < karasz> i had to add manualy kate and it was not an easy stuff... 17:22 < karasz> mnemoc karasz: next we would need .desktop files for them :p 17:22 < rxr> 24708022272 49% 10.99MB/s 0:37:06 17:22 < karasz> ^^ that was a joke wasn't it? 17:24 < rxr> where was a joke ? 17:24 < karasz> mnemoc karasz: next we would need .desktop files for them :p 17:24 < mnemoc> :) 17:40 < karasz> gui for scp? 17:42 < karasz> :D 17:43 < karasz> fish +konqueror 17:43 < _Ragnar_> hi 17:43 < karasz> hello _Ragnar_ 17:44 < _Ragnar_> hi karasz 17:48 < rxr> yeah - fish:// rocks ... 17:49 < rxr> 43448532992 87% 11.11MB/s 0:09:15 17:49 < rxr> how I like GBs ... 17:51 < karasz> although secpanel seems promising... 17:52 < rxr> extern void *compile_type_assert[sizeof(__builtin_infl ()) == sizeof(DFtype) ? 1 17:52 < rxr> : -1]; 17:52 < rxr> `- training google - does nto cause a hit 17:53 < rxr> not 17:53 < rxr> hm 17:53 < rxr> I wonder wether it is a ccache issue 17:54 < mnemoc> loosing trust on ccache? 17:54 < rxr> GCC_WRAPPER_OTHER= 17:54 < rxr> made it go away ... 17:55 * rxr started Build-Target with rm -rf build/ccache-powerpc64-1/gcc/ 17:56 < CIA-9> aldas * r14697 /trunk/package/multimedia/qdvdauthor/ (qdvdauthor.conf qdvdauthor.desc stdlib.patch): 17:56 < CIA-9> * updated qdvdauthor (0.0.10 -> 0.1.0) 17:56 < CIA-9> * removed stdlib.patch - obsolete 17:57 < rxr> 48858562560 98% 8.04MB/s 0:01:50 17:57 < rxr> 2588554 62.6745 mdfour64 17:57 < rxr> 1145283 27.7298 copy64 17:57 < rxr> 194580 4.7112 mdfour_update 17:57 < rxr> 61296 1.4841 writefd_unbuffered 17:57 < rxr> 47943 1.1608 sum_update 17:57 < rxr> that is rsync above 1% functions sending a file without a version on the other side 17:58 < rxr> sent 42 bytes received 49771275057 bytes 11320658.50 bytes/sec 17:58 < rxr> total size is 49765200096 speedup is 1.00 17:58 < rxr> real 73m15.590s 17:58 < rxr> user 29m31.428s 17:58 < rxr> sys 10m59.736s 17:59 < mnemoc> o.o 17:59 < rxr> now with the copy available ... 18:01 < rxr> not --inplace 18:09 < karasz> rxr where can i set the default profile in konqueror? 18:09 < karasz> i would like to set the default ciew profile to MC 18:10 < rxr> depens where you start it 18:10 < rxr> you can change this for every menu entry / icon 18:10 < rxr> click on edit and edit or change the --profile 18:11 < CIA-9> aldas * r14698 /trunk/package/kde/kbarcode/kbarcode.desc: * updated kbarcode (1.9.9 -> 1.9.10) 18:11 < rxr> konqueror --profiles 18:11 < rxr> konqueror --profile midnightcommander 18:12 < rxr> if you want to have another look for the filemanager s.th. profile you need to save a profile as such ... 18:13 < karasz> oki 18:13 < karasz> in the mean time i found http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/56/Konqueror_3.4_Tricks.pdf 18:14 < rxr> heh 18:14 < rxr> btw. -3.3 degree C here ... 18:16 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178160112.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 18:16 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - DIE LIBTOOL ETAL DIE | 2.1.1 TAGGED and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. 18:16 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 7 23:05:57 2006] 18:16 [Users #t2] 18:16 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ karasz] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_ ] [ zod ] 18:16 [ axion ] [ demian] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ _Ragnar_] 18:16 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 18:16 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 18:16 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 18:16 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 18:16 < rxr_> hehe: -y, --fuzzy find similar file for basis if no dest file 18:17 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 34 secs 18:17 < mnemoc> o_O 18:21 < CIA-9> aldas * r14699 /trunk/package/network/cfengine/ (cfengine.conf cfengine.desc): * updated cfengine (2.1.16 -> 2.1.18) 18:24 < CIA-9> aldas * r14700 /trunk/package/network/csync2/csync2.desc: * updated csync2 (1.28 -> 1.29) 18:31 < jsaw> re 18:31 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178139087.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:31 < mnemoc> wb dr.j 18:32 < jsaw> hi wiz mnemoc 18:32 < rxr_> dr.j: 1-gcc on ppc64 only build without ccache ... :-/ 18:32 < jsaw> hmmm 18:32 < jsaw> build fine here for x86-64 18:32 < rxr_> 81788928 0% 1.02MB/s 13:19:19 18:33 < rxr_> jsaw: with ccache _ 18:33 < rxr_> ? even 18:33 < rxr_> 22952 root 25 0 12988 11m 624 R 96.0 2.2 1:34.66 rsync 18:33 < jsaw> export SDECFG_PKG_CCACHE_USEIT='1' 18:33 < mnemoc> jsaw: wiz :) 18:33 < jsaw> :) 18:34 < rxr_> 22952 root 25 0 12988 11m 624 R 96.3 2.2 2:20.33 rsync 18:34 < rxr_> 179929088 0% 1.02MB/s 13:18:04 18:34 < rxr_> now - that is indeed slow ... 18:34 < jsaw> mnemoc: how do you usually install a vserver, mine -i -R ... ? 18:34 < jsaw> mnemoc: and how select what you need? 18:34 < mnemoc> inside a for 18:35 < mnemoc> i have builds designed for vservers 18:35 < mnemoc> i.e. i don't waste time building linux26 18:35 < jsaw> aha 18:35 < rxr_> samples % symbol name 18:35 < rxr_> 3134293 87.1899 match_sums 18:35 < rxr_> 214995 5.9807 map_ptr 18:35 < rxr_> 154898 4.3090 mdfour64 18:35 < rxr_> 73285 2.0386 copy64 18:35 < mnemoc> the magic of mnemosyne modularity :) 18:35 < mnemoc> rxr_: o_O 18:35 < rxr_> ok - now there is the culprit I would say 18:37 < rxr_> samples % symbol name 18:37 < rxr_> 4502222 87.1607 match_sums 18:37 < rxr_> 308381 5.9701 map_ptr 18:37 < rxr_> 224179 4.3400 mdfour64 18:37 < rxr_> 105963 2.0514 copy64 18:37 < rxr_> eatinc cycles like crazzy 18:37 < rxr_> 370966528 0% 1.04MB/s 13:01:00 18:37 < rxr_> enough to saturate this one: 18:37 < rxr_> model name : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2500+ 18:45 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:47 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has joined #T2 18:47 < karasz> re 18:53 < jsaw> rxr_: is it possible to have a 32bit only chroot environment, while host is 64bit? 18:54 < jsaw> 2121 builds total, 858 completed fine, 0 with errors. (with about 29 disabled packages due to errors) 18:54 < jsaw> (generic x86-64 athlon64) 18:54 < rxr_> of course 18:54 < rxr_> they are individual binaries this works out just fine 18:55 < jsaw> great 18:55 < rxr_> the only thing is IRRC when you C-z stop a process your chroot is signalled and not the other in-chroot process 18:55 < rxr_> at least that is what I experience here on sparc64 and x86-64 18:56 < rxr_> guess it is due to 32bit vs. 64 bit process interaction and that they are not compatible ... 18:56 < jsaw> that reminds me of screen, one day I should hack screen to pass SIGWINCH down to the shell... 18:56 < rxr_> but I have not cared to look into the details and it dies not interest me too much 18:57 < rxr_> -B $(( 10*1024*1024 )) to rsync helps 18:57 < rxr_> 1835008000 3% 20.27MB/s 0:38:47 18:57 < jsaw> :) 18:58 < jsaw> mnemoc: how do you edit your LDAP? 18:58 < mnemoc> pla 18:58 < jsaw> I mean, some interface or cli? 18:59 < mnemoc> phpldapadmin 18:59 < jsaw> ic 18:59 < mnemoc> or lam for simpler stuff 18:59 < mnemoc> also web, but that use 'profiles' and objectClass related forms 18:59 < mnemoc> i have to code a lam module for qmail-ldap 19:03 < CIA-9> aldas * r14701 /trunk/package/x11/xterm/xterm.desc: * updated xterm (207 -> 208) 19:11 < CIA-9> aldas * r14702 /trunk/package/x11/xdaliclock/ (xdaliclock.conf xdaliclock.desc): * updated xdaliclock (2.20 -> 2.23) 19:24 < jsaw> somebody remembers what has to be done with this: 19:24 < jsaw> Found shared files with other packages 19:25 < jsaw> usr/lib64/perl5/5.8.7/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/perllocal.pod: perl perl-gettext 19:25 < jsaw> ? 19:25 < mnemoc> first time i see it 19:25 < jsaw> O.O 19:26 < jsaw> touch ${archlib}/perllocal.pod 19:26 < jsaw> in perl.conf 19:26 < mnemoc> :D 19:26 < mnemoc> svn blame ? 19:27 < jsaw> 9272 rene 19:27 < mnemoc> *g* 19:27 < jsaw> rxr_: knock knock 19:30 < rxr_> tock 19:30 * rxr_ was phoning 19:31 < karasz> mnemoc, i am givin up for the moment 19:31 < karasz> i mean thet kde issue 19:31 < karasz> most certanly it is some path related error, i just can't find out which since it gives me no error 19:31 < rxr_> jsaw: there is a perllocalhack=1 or so variable that when set does flistdel the file 19:31 < rxr_> no idea what perl is doing with the file 19:31 * rxr_ not in perl 19:31 < karasz> btw anyone using kde on T2? 19:32 < karasz> rxr maybe? 19:32 < rxr_> clifford introduced the perlocalhack=1 flistdel enabler aroudn 1.7 times 19:32 < rxr_> karasz: ack 19:32 < karasz> rxr can you verify some thing? 19:32 < karasz> right click on the K menu 19:32 < karasz> and choose Menu Editor 19:33 < jsaw> rxr_: no perllocalhack to be found 19:33 < karasz> by the K menu i understand the K logo 19:33 < rxr_> --fuzz _ 19:33 < rxr_> ? even 19:33 < karasz> rxr tell me if anything happens 19:34 < rxr_> ah 19:34 < rxr_> source $base/*/perl/perl/perllocal_hack.sh 19:34 < jsaw> yep, found it, thanks 19:34 < rxr_> this is not new style but there since dark ages 19:35 < mnemoc> rxr_: if you want ${archlib}/perllocal.pod earlier why not just moving perl-gettext earlier ? 19:35 < CIA-9> aldas * r14703 /trunk/package/x11/xlockmore/ (no-.plan.patch xlockmore.conf xlockmore.desc): * updated xlockmore (5.20.1 -> 5.21) 19:35 < jsaw> perl-gettext has to be after perl itself... 19:36 < mnemoc> perl _needs_ ${archlib}/perllocal.pod ? 19:36 < jsaw> perllocal.pod is only "Plain Old Documentation" describing what packages are installed 19:36 < jsaw> so, it's not really that much needed 19:37 < jsaw> it is shown when you type "perldoc perllocal" 19:54 < rxr_> 11723079680 23% 18.12MB/s 0:34:31 19:55 < mnemoc> .oO( is that good or bad? )o 19:56 < rxr_> good 19:56 < rxr_> 18.xMB/s is good 19:56 < rxr_> with rsync defaults it is 1.xMB/s ... 19:56 < rxr_> and takes 13 hours or so ... 19:57 < mnemoc> :D 20:03 < rxr_> ok, for missing blocksÖ 20:03 < rxr_> : 20:03 < rxr_> even 20:03 < rxr_> 16450977792 32% 5.57MB/s 1:38:30 20:04 < mnemoc> :) 20:04 < mnemoc> >> 1.x 20:05 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14704 /trunk/package/perl/perl-gettext/perl-gettext.desc: * fix perllocal.pod sharing 20:05 < CIA-9> jsaw * r14705 /trunk/package/perl/perl-libxml/perl-libxml.desc: * fix perlocal.pod sharing 20:14 < jsaw> okay, so now a bit kernel hacking... 20:15 < rxr_> oh ,-) what ? 20:15 < jsaw> I don't want to load a custom DSDT file due to a wrong namespace, 20:15 < jsaw> just let it accept a \0 in it by replacing it with underscore 20:16 < jsaw> stupid board manufacturers... 20:21 < rxr_> (gdb) display c 20:21 < rxr_> 1: c = 20:21 < rxr_> (gdb) display l 20:21 < rxr_> 2: l = 20:21 < rxr_> (gdb) display cnt 20:21 < rxr_> No symbol "cnt" in current context. 20:21 < rxr_> heh 20:21 -!- You're now known as rxr 20:22 < rxr> and this is already -O0 ... 20:22 < rxr> this compiler is too smart for me ... 20:24 < jsaw> volatile for debugging? 20:27 < rxr> "passt schon" 20:27 < jsaw> hehe 20:27 < rxr> i see enough values thereafter ... 20:44 < karasz> ok, time to sleep now 20:44 < mnemoc> [17:45:27] ok, time to sleep now 20:44 < mnemoc> :) 20:44 < karasz> btw mnemoc i guess i passed another day today, at least 8.00 for me 20:44 < karasz> mnemoc, you are 5 hours behind 20:45 < karasz> and what if it is 17:45:27 i need my beauty sleep :P 20:45 < mnemoc> that will be 7 in agust 20:45 < mnemoc> :) 20:45 < mnemoc> your beauty 20:45 < karasz> so cu tomorrow 20:46 < mnemoc> cu karasz 20:46 < karasz> yes mnemoc i am smart and beautifull 20:46 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 20:46 < karasz> .oO 20:46 < karasz> and humble too 20:46 < mnemoc> :) 20:46 < mnemoc> as smart and as beautiful as humble 20:47 < karasz> o_O 20:47 < karasz> oki cu guys 20:48 < rxr> jsaw: mail for you on the list ... 20:48 < rxr> jsaw: about your friend libtool ... 20:48 < jsaw> still no mail setup here... 20:50 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:51 < mnemoc> jsaw: mutt 20:51 < mnemoc> jsaw: nailx 20:51 < CIA-9> amery * r14706 /branches/2.1/package/network/samba/samba.init: * merged 14535 from trunk: fixed samba.init's smb.conf detection, and changed to produce a sad face 20:51 < rxr> I get an error when compiling libsdl (same for libsdl) -- see error message 20:51 < rxr> below. Setting [F] LIBTOOL-QUIRK does not fix the problem. Linking against 20:51 < rxr> the built lib results in an error. Anyone with any Idea? 20:51 < rxr> cheers, 20:51 < rxr> Lars 20:52 < rxr> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-libsdl_mixer.out 20:52 < rxr> !> dependency_libs=' 20:52 < rxr> -L/usr/lib /usr/lib/libvorbisfile.la /usr/lib/libvorbis.la /usr/lib/libogg.la /usr/lib/libsmpeg.la 20:52 < rxr> -lstdc++ 20:52 < rxr> -lSDL /usr/lib/libSDL.la /usr/lib/gcc/i686-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2/libstdc++.la 20:52 < rxr> -L/TOOLCHAIN/src.gcc.system.20051103.214832.4302.localhost/gcc-4.0.2/objdir/i686-t2-linux-gnu/libstdc++-v3/src 20:52 < rxr> -L/TOOLCHAIN/src.gcc.system.20051103.214832.4302.localhost/gcc-4.0.2/objdir/i686-t2-linux-gnu/libstdc++-v3/src/.libs 20:52 < rxr> -L/TOOLCHAIN/src.gcc.system.20051103.214832.4302.localhost/gcc-4.0.2/objdir/gcc 20:52 < rxr> -L/usr/i686-t2-linux-gnu/bin -L/usr/i686-t2-linux-gnu/lib 20:52 < rxr> -L/usr/lib/gcc/i686-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2 20:52 < rxr> -L/usr/lib/gcc/i686-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../i686-t2-linux-gnu/lib 20:52 < rxr> -L/usr/lib/gcc/i686-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../.. -lc -lgcc_s -L/usr/X11R6/lib 20:52 < rxr> -lX11 -lXext -lpthread /usr/lib/libmikmod.la -ldl -lm' contains build system 20:52 < rxr> paths! 20:52 < rxr> !> The package should possibly flagged with "LIBTOOL-QUIRK" 20:52 < mnemoc> :) 20:53 < jsaw> rxr: that's an old libstdc++.la 20:53 < jsaw> rxr: possibly this is fixed by recompiling gcc 20:54 < jsaw> rxr: if not, it is more work... 20:55 < rxr> mail sent 20:55 < rxr> according to our cheif libtool expert Dr. Juergen G. Sawinski, this is due to an old libstdc++ 20:55 < rxr> and solved by rebuilding gcc with T2 trunk:HEAD or by manually removing the junk from 20:55 < rxr> the /usr/lib/libstdc++.la et.al. files. 20:56 < jsaw> yep 20:57 < jsaw> (however, the "expert" is sth. I would not sign) 20:57 < mnemoc> :D 20:57 < mnemoc> i guess you know libtool better than it's authors :) 20:58 < jsaw> tsts 20:58 * jsaw hopes not but sometimes fears that 20:59 < mnemoc> :) 21:03 < rxr> why are those hard core c freak code projects always that unreadable ? 21:04 < mnemoc> because cool people codes unreadable 21:05 < rxr> blength = 0; 21:05 < rxr> do { 21:05 < rxr> blength |= c; 21:05 < rxr> if (len < ( (int64)blength * blength) ) 21:05 < rxr> blength &= ~c; 21:05 < rxr> c >>= 1; 21:05 < rxr> } while (c >= 8); /* round to multiple of 8 */ 21:06 < mnemoc> ehm 21:07 < mnemoc> OT: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/xSDND094.html <--- mtr 'fix' doesn't 'fix' anything on 2.1 21:08 < mnemoc> ^---- that was a fresh build 21:08 < rxr> with or without the patch? 21:09 < rxr> did you got that before 21:09 < mnemoc> with 21:09 < mnemoc> nope 21:09 < rxr> why do you try using the patch then ? 21:09 < mnemoc> morfoh said with that patch from mtr, jsaw's hack on fl_wrapper wasn't needed 21:09 < rxr> how long do you need to understand the code block above ? 21:10 < mnemoc> around 20 seconds 21:10 < rxr> > 21:10 < rxr> ? 21:11 < mnemoc> 20 seconds to read it :p 21:11 < rxr> to understand ? 21:11 < mnemoc> haven't yet 21:12 < mnemoc> i can't imagine what 'c' could be 21:14 < rxr> for (c = 1, l = len, cnt = 0; l >>= 2; c <<= 1, cnt++) {} 21:14 < rxr> "generator.c" 1320 lines, 35055 characters 21:14 < mnemoc> ? 21:15 < mnemoc> they do the same??? o_O 21:15 * mnemoc is too old to think 21:16 < rxr> first they determine c and then they determine blength 21:16 < rxr> mnemoc: /me has no fun on this chunk either 21:16 < rxr> I might commit a patch removing it entirely ... 21:17 < mnemoc> they have very twisted minds 21:18 < rxr> definetly 21:19 < rxr> too much SMB reverse eng. 21:19 < mnemoc> samba? 21:19 < mnemoc> i thought that was from glibc or gcc 21:24 < CIA-9> aldas * r14707 /trunk/package/base/numactl/ (. numactl.desc): 21:24 < CIA-9> * added numactl (0.9.1) - A numactl implements simple NUMA policy 21:24 < CIA-9> support. 21:27 < rxr> mnemoc: it was from rsync 21:29 < rxr> mnemoc: shoudl I commit a blocksize selection patch that does select 6MB blocksize for a 50GB file intead of 129544 bytes ? 21:30 < mnemoc> i think yes 21:30 < mnemoc> but /me wonders about poor machines 21:30 < CIA-9> aldas * r14708 /trunk/package/games/lbreakout2/ (4 files): * updated lbreakout2 (2.5.2 -> 2.6beta-5) 21:31 < rxr> hm - I think i still need to tune it, 1976 byte blocks vs. 65536 byte blocks with the new one ... 21:31 < rxr> for a 600MB .iso 21:31 < rxr> guess we want to keep smaller in that case ... 21:32 < mnemoc> can be a % ? 21:32 < rxr> it was not linear before 21:32 < mnemoc> but it was a 'safe value' 21:34 < rxr> save value ? 21:34 < rxr> no - it was this ugly piece of code that is voodoo 21:34 < mnemoc> :D 21:34 < mnemoc> that is blength and c ?? 21:35 < rxr> blength is the block lenght, yes 21:35 < rxr> computed this nice way 21:36 < mnemoc> amazing 21:36 < rxr> in what way / 21:37 < mnemoc> it's amazing someone invent something that complex to calculate a blocksize 21:38 < rxr> * The checksum size is determined according to: 21:38 < rxr> * blocksum_bits = BLOCKSUM_BIAS + 2*log2(file_len) - log2(block_len) 21:38 < rxr> might be, migth not be 21:38 < rxr> the code is crufty ... 21:38 < rxr> scary at best 21:39 < mnemoc> i would simply choose the max( k, size/10240 ) 21:39 < mnemoc> or something like that 21:39 < rxr> well, something non-linear is definetly to consider 21:39 < rxr> but not this ugly loopery ... 21:40 < rxr> oen bit here, one bit there ... looks more like a pseudo random generator ... 21:40 < mnemoc> ack 21:52 < rxr> blength = len / 128000; /* const. no. of chunks */ 21:53 < rxr> abd then min / max .... 21:53 < rxr> generator.c | 23 ++++++----------------- 21:54 < rxr> hm 21:54 < rxr> there is one more design bug 21:55 < rxr> it takes the receiving file as blength source 21:55 < rxr> when there is a 50G file and a 1k file around ... 21:55 < rxr> it will use the min. buf size 21:55 < demian> bye 21:55 < rxr> like 700 bytes or what it was ... 21:55 < rxr> cu demian 21:57 < mnemoc> uhm 21:57 < mnemoc> cu demian 21:58 < mnemoc> karasz: you missed checksum on ccd2iso 22:13 < Baldzius> heh, pygtk got splited into pygtk and pygobject 22:20 < mnemoc> o.o 22:21 < mnemoc> tricks for duplicating a package: 22:21 < mnemoc> cd package/*/source 22:21 < mnemoc> svn mv source.desc target.desc 22:21 < mnemoc> svn mv source.conf target.conf 22:21 < mnemoc> svn mv source.cache target.cache 22:21 < mnemoc> cd .. 22:22 < mnemoc> svn cp source target 22:22 < mnemoc> svn revert -R source 22:22 < mnemoc> rm source/target.* 22:22 -!- YeT2 [n=chmo@i538785F8.versanet.de] has joined #t2 22:23 < YeT2> hi 22:23 < sepp> hmm Download from cvs loops with `sleep 3` :/ 22:25 < sepp> scripts/Download line 674 22:27 < mnemoc> ? 22:27 < sepp> hi YeT2 :) 22:27 < mnemoc> sepp: what download location line are you using? 22:28 < Baldzius> mnemoc: i did my way , looks nice , till now fails only one package - straw 22:28 < sepp> i just wanted to try last night e17 and it loops on that line 22:28 < CIA-9> amery * r14709 /branches/2.1/misc/tools-source/fl_wrapper.c.sh: * merged 14686 from trunk: changed fl_wrapper.c.sh to give a verbose warning if the PATH_MAX workaround is used 22:28 < mnemoc> Baldzius: doing what i told you, you preserve history 22:29 < Baldzius> hm 22:29 < Baldzius> 'k ctrl+c :) 22:30 < sepp> [D] X e-2006-01-09.tar.bz2 cvs://:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/enlightenment e17/apps/e -D 2006-01-09 22:32 < mnemoc> sepp: that should be ok 22:32 < mnemoc> sepp: the loop waits until $cmdline ends 22:33 < rxr> I might not patch rsync 22:33 < rxr> since it only considers the receiving side file and I can not get the other value nearby easily patching has no value for me 22:33 < sepp> yes, i used sed to replace the date - thats all, but it does not finish 22:33 < rxr> I think I'll just force a hint with --bloksize=5000000 22:34 < mnemoc> ack 22:34 < sepp> anyway, i am way too tired now - good night * ;) 22:34 < mnemoc> sepp: is the cvs process running? 22:35 < sepp> no 22:36 < sepp> no error msg in .cvs_error :( 22:36 < rxr> http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/ 22:36 < mnemoc> fuser .cvs_output ? 22:36 < sepp> nothing 22:37 < sepp> just ".cvs_output:" 22:37 < mnemoc> echo $? 22:37 < sepp> strange 22:37 < rxr> sepp: broken fuser ? 22:37 < rxr> is it t2 head ? 22:37 < sepp> its still running so no $? 22:37 < sepp> rxr: yes head 22:38 < sepp> mnemoc: i mean Download still looping `sleep 3` 22:39 < mnemoc> 671 while fuser .cvs_output &> /dev/null ; do 22:39 < mnemoc> 672 echo -ne `nice du -sh 2> /dev/null | \ 22:39 < mnemoc> 673 cut -f1` 'downloaded from archive so far...\r' 22:39 < mnemoc> 674 sleep 3 22:39 < mnemoc> 675 done 22:39 < mnemoc> it will end when fuser say so 22:39 < mnemoc> so it's fuser problem and not cvs 22:39 < sepp> uhm 22:43 < sepp> ok, i asked lsof - fuser is broken :/ 22:45 < sepp> weird 22:47 < mnemoc> sepp: ask fuser the pid 22:49 < sepp> ./scripts/Download 22:49 < sepp> why is it Download and not cvs? 22:50 < sepp> .oO i guess i miss something/are toooo sleepy :( 22:50 < mnemoc> it's a > 22:51 < mnemoc> 666 echo "$cmdline" 22:51 < mnemoc> 667 { 22:51 < mnemoc> 668 $cmdline || touch .cvs_error 22:51 < mnemoc> 669 } &> .cvs_output & 22:51 < mnemoc> .cvs_output is closed when $cmdline ends 22:54 < sepp> uhm i'll take a llok tomorrow - my head already dropped several time onto the keyboard - good night * 22:54 < Baldzius> gn8 sepp 22:57 < Baldzius> configure: error: cannot test gtk [no DISPLAY] 22:57 < Baldzius> g* nice 23:05 < Baldzius> mnemoc: i just don't understand why i need to preserve the history for new package? 23:05 < mnemoc> Baldzius: because it's not a new package, it's a split 23:06 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.2.0-alpha-powerpc64-G5-desktop: 23:06 < rxr> [5] base/linux26 [5] base/linux26mm 23:06 < rxr> [5] base/linux24 23:06 < rxr> 992 builds total, 147 completed fine, 3 with errors. 23:06 < Baldzius> they removed gobject bindings 23:06 < Baldzius> that's it 23:06 < Baldzius> i can mention that in commit 23:06 < Baldzius> s 23:07 < Baldzius> but if you say so ... you are the boss :) 23:08 < rxr> hm 23:09 < rxr> should I sell the megabook and grab a new MacBook Pro ? 23:10 < Baldzius> :) 23:14 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.103.90] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:15 < YeT2> ? in 5-glibc config.h:3:3: error: #error "glibc cannot be compiled without optimization" ? 23:15 < mnemoc> YeT2: don't build generic, select something.... i386, pentium, .... 23:15 < mnemoc> i'll delete taht f* generic 23:16 < rxr> YeT2: oehm 23:16 < rxr> that is not generic 23:16 < rxr> that is rather -O0 23:16 < rxr> YeT2: what did you select in the Config ? 23:16 < YeT2> ? its generic with pentium M 23:16 < rxr> nothing else ? 23:16 < mnemoc> rxr: those apple books are gordius 23:17 < YeT2> seccond 23:17 < rxr> rodiwhat ? 23:17 < rxr> gordi even 23:17 < rxr> The dictionary does not contain any entries for gordius 23:17 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.101.234] has joined #t2 23:17 < rxr> mnemoc: the new one has a intel cpu ... 23:17 < mnemoc> whm, wonderful, amzing, ... 23:17 < mnemoc> i don't know how the word is spell :( 23:17 < YeT2> export SDECFG_ARCH='x86' 23:17 < YeT2> export SDECFG_X86_OPT='pentium-m' 23:17 < YeT2> export SDECFG_CROSSBUILD='0' 23:17 < YeT2> export SDECFG_TARGET='generic' 23:17 < YeT2> export SDECFG_PKGSEL_TPL='minimal-desktop' 23:17 < mnemoc> looks good 23:18 < rxr> and OPT ? 23:18 < rxr> and DEBUG ? 23:18 < YeT2> export SDECFG_DEBUG='0' 23:19 < YeT2> export SDECFG_CONFIGURE_OPTS='' 23:19 < YeT2> export SDECFG_OPT='speed' 23:19 < rxr> hm - looks good 23:19 < rxr> glibc should have no reason to complain 23:20 < YeT2> jepp ... 0-glibc.log 1-glibc.log already OK 23:20 < YeT2> and other 470 package builds in different stages 23:20 < mnemoc> uhm 23:21 < mnemoc> what if you rebuild 5-glibc? 23:21 < mnemoc> same error? (it may be demonic posetion) 23:22 < YeT2> well ... i should mention that i had to deselct mktemp for stage 1 ! ... did well in 3 and 5 ... 23:22 < YeT2> is that a problem for glibc ? 23:23 < mnemoc> uhm 23:23 < rxr> YeT2: ah - some error not copying some file ? 23:23 < mnemoc> mktemp is an important package, and the will produce troubles since stage 2 23:24 < CIA-9> rene * r14710 /trunk/package/base/automake/automake.desc: 23:24 < CIA-9> * build automake in stage 0, files needed for stage 1 AUTOMAKE-QUIRK 23:24 < CIA-9> packages, such as mktemp 23:24 < YeT2> ooopps ... the i have to bort the run, to select mktemp for 1 again ... AND EXACTLY THIS WAS THE PROB ... with automake ! 23:25 < rxr> 23:15 < rxr> I wonder what you would comment on the Mac Book Pro *g* 23:26 < rxr> `- no answer ... 23:27 < CIA-9> aldas * r14711 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/ (config.hlp config.in scripts_dvb.sh udev.conf udev.desc): * updated udev (079 -> 080) 23:29 < rxr> http://dev.gentoo.org/~wolf31o2/ 23:29 < rxr> `- aua 23:30 < mnemoc> YeT2: never ignore an error on stages {0,1,2} 23:30 * mnemoc moving home 23:32 < rxr> heh 23:32 < rxr> downlaoded the gentoo catalyst 23:32 < YeT2> rxr: more aua http://dev.gentoo.org/~wolf31o2/images/screenshots/vertigo-20041204.png 23:32 < rxr> good that every time I look into gentoo stuff I see even more ugly fluff ... 23:33 < rxr> the iso creator is soo stupid they have 6 lines of cryptic cut'n paste case'ed liek this: 23:33 < rxr> case ${clst_livecd_cdfstype} in 23:33 < rxr> zisofs) 23:33 < rxr> # ugly code 23:33 < rxr> ;; 23:33 < rxr> *) 23:33 < rxr> # the same ugly code without -z 23:33 < rxr> wonderful 23:37 < YeT2> mnemoc: except mktemp in stage1 (now to be build in 0 as well :) ) 23:37 < YeT2> mnemoc: only 5-ghostscript.err 5-glibc.err 5-kdelibs.err 5-lesstif.err 23:37 < YeT2> ... so far :) 23:37 < rxr> heh 23:38 < rxr> the damn code block even contains a copy in a echo "..." status line ... 23:38 < rxr> echo "mkisofs -J -r -l -z -chrp-boot -netatalk -hfs -probe \ 23:38 < rxr> -map ${clst_target_path}/boot/map.hfs -part -no-desktop \ 23:38 < rxr> -hfs-volid \"${clst_iso_volume_id}\" -hfs-bless \ 23:38 < rxr> ${clst_target_path}/boot -V \"${clst_iso_volume_id}\" -o \ 23:38 < rxr> ${1} ${clst_target_path}" 23:38 < rxr> mkisofs -J -r -l -z -chrp-boot -netatalk -hfs -probe -map \ 23:38 < rxr> ${clst_target_path}/boot/map.hfs -part -no-desktop \ 23:38 < rxr> -hfs-volid "${clst_iso_volume_id}" -hfs-bless \ 23:38 < rxr> ${clst_target_path}/boot -V "${clst_iso_volume_id}" -o \ 23:38 < rxr> ${1} ${clst_target_path} || die "Cannot make ISO image" 23:38 < rxr> and the same again without -z 23:39 < rxr> that is code quality, ha - how I love that ... 23:39 < rxr> good that I do not have to use this, just search what differs from our clean code (tm) to get ppc64 boot the CDs ... 23:39 < Baldzius> :) 23:46 < YeT2> rxr: i'm really impressed by the toolchain (scripts) ... and the update awareness and reentrance capabilities :) !!!! 23:52 < rxr> ,-) 23:58 < axion> does anyone know a php function to return the MySQL version number? --- Log closed Wed Jan 11 00:00:53 2006