T2 IRC Log: 2006-01-15
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--- Log opened Sun Jan 15 00:00:18 2006
00:21 -!- Baldzius_ is now known as Baldzius
00:38 < mnemoc> re
00:45 < Baldzius> wb mnemoc
00:45 < Baldzius> do you have a min?
00:47 < mnemoc> 12
00:47 < Baldzius> :)
00:47 < Baldzius> what do you think about adding trunk's package list to distrowatch/t2 ?
00:47 < Baldzius> is it hard?
00:48 < Baldzius> i asked rene but hm .. he didn't answer
00:48 < mnemoc> that is done by distrowatch
00:48 < mnemoc> when we have the first rc of t2 2.2, they will add a column for it
00:49 < Baldzius> i ask because every source distro i know has it ... lunar call it moonbase rocklinux - current and so on
00:50 < mnemoc> ask them how to feed the info
00:50 < Baldzius> whom?
00:51 < Baldzius> lunar && rocklinux? :)
00:51 < Baldzius> sourcemage has grimoire
00:51 < mnemoc> distrowatch
00:51 < Baldzius> gentoo - unstable
00:52 < mnemoc> they may want periodic snapshots
00:58 < Baldzius> hm
00:58 < Baldzius> and how distrowatch knows about what package versions the release has?
00:58 < Baldzius> _file_ ?
00:59 < mnemoc> we CC them the announce mail
01:01 < mnemoc> ask them :)
01:01 < mnemoc> we would like to feed 2.1-stable and 2.2-trunk versions :)
01:02 < mnemoc> brb
01:03 < Baldzius> iirc gentoo stable/unstable are fed by _file_ located on ftp
01:03 < mnemoc> that's easy
01:03 < Baldzius> automatically generated each day
01:03 < mnemoc> sample?
01:03 < Baldzius> u ask me i have it?
01:05 < Baldzius> that was long time ago and i remember there was a simple list of packages "_package_ _version_"
01:06 < Baldzius> but if rocklinux has it rene should know about that, maybe he isn't interested ...
01:07 < Baldzius> .o0 ( my thoughts ) :)
01:11 < Baldzius> oops rocklinux has it named "snapshot"
01:11 < Baldzius> not current
01:22 < Baldzius> 'k ... /me in bed ... gn8 all :)
01:35 < mnemoc> re
01:35 < mnemoc> rene is just busy
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07:32 < rxr> re
07:32 < rxr> moin all
07:33 < rxr> Baldzius: mnemoc: I have this txt file rock compatible since the beginning
07:33 < rxr> they just have not yet used it
07:34 < rxr> I asked them a year ago though
07:45 < CIA-8> msluis * r14822 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-150/ibm-jdk-150.desc: * Updated URL for ibm-jdk-150
07:45 < CIA-8> msluis * r14823 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-150/ibm-jre-150.desc: * Updated URL for ibm-jre-150
07:46 < rxr> moin minto
07:55 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/
07:55 < rxr> ^- 2.1.1(.1) news
08:04 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/index.txt
08:05 < rxr> our package export, trunk only right now
08:33 < rxr> symlink sory posted
08:33 * rxr coffe
08:33 < rxr> e
08:35 < rxr> bah - -6.x°C no wonder it is cold
08:36 < rxr> °C
08:36 < rxr> hm - I hope you get the degree sign when it does not show up here ...
08:40 < CIA-8> rene * r14824 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in:
08:40 < CIA-8> * simplified linux-conf.in: use sed -i and avoid unnecessary newline
08:40 < CIA-8> quoting
08:40 < CIA-8> * abort if the version can not be extracted (the case for latest
08:40 < CIA-8> -mm kernels)
09:31 < CIA-8> jsaw * r14825 /trunk/package/scientific/root/ (root.conf root.desc):
09:31 < CIA-8> * update root (5.04.00 -> 5.08.00)
09:31 < CIA-8> * re-enabled xrootd (untested)
09:31 < CIA-8> * added x86-64 configuration (others to be done!)
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09:58 < CIA-8> sebastian * r14826 /trunk/package/audio/eq-xmms/ (eq-xmms.desc slider.patch): * updated eq-xmms (0.6 -> 0.7)
09:58 < LMJ> brb
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10:04 < LMJ> hello back
10:13 < rxr> hi LMJ
10:13 < LMJ> morning rxr
10:13 < LMJ> how are you ?
10:13 < rxr> ouhm
10:14 < rxr> guess I get some angry customers on monday since the os x driver release will not be ready ...
10:14 < rxr> aside from that, and that I had to notice the bakery is not open on sundays at 7 o'clock quite fine
10:14 < rxr> one is opening at 8 and the other at 9 ...
10:15 < rxr> ouhm
10:15 < valentin> moin
10:15 < rxr> and now my subnotebook turned off, better should have plugged in the power cord
10:15 < valentin> rxr: i cannot reproduce that close - open bug
10:15 < valentin> though i had a similar crash once
10:15 < valentin> after doing more complex stuff
10:16 < rxr> well, maybe my use case was more complex then and I oversimplified it to open scan close open ...
10:17 < valentin> i tried, but it must be more complex than preview - change settings/profiles - scan - close - open
10:17 < valentin> but once the driver crashed after open when i tried to set the scan mode
10:17 < valentin> whatever
10:20 < rxr> what about the preview crash at 180 dpi preview mode?
10:21 < valentin> you told me about 175. 175 did not crash, and 176 too. i can try 180
10:21 < rxr> yes of course the one in the flie
10:22 < rxr> are you sure you scanned the preview at 175 dpi ?
10:22 < valentin> yes
10:22 < valentin> it took twice the time than normal
10:22 < valentin> so i am quite sure
10:22 < rxr> hm
10:23 < valentin> if you can produce that crash in your office, i'll come around monday evening
10:23 < rxr> you have not yer removed the preview coloring with auto-selection test code ß
10:23 < rxr> ? even
10:24 < valentin> i am on it
10:24 < valentin> however, if you want to release within the next 5 minutes, i can commit an intermediate version without selection
10:25 < rxr> no
10:25 < rxr> I want some more working version tomorrow
10:25 < rxr> could you save the no profile case values as well?
10:26 < rxr> people want that ...
10:26 < rxr> that is let the driver use the last values when they boot their box another day ...
10:26 < valentin> rxr: so i just that 'no profile' button ??
10:27 < valentin> ... remove....
10:27 < rxr> no, just also save the "no profile" profile into the file ...
10:27 < valentin> ok, it's just removing an if profile != 0 switch
10:27 < rxr> so they have a scratch area among the profiles ..
10:27 < rxr> yep
10:28 < rxr> btw. on the long term the profiles would be handy to be renameable ...
10:29 < valentin> yes, but this sucks in OSX interface ... i'll take a look how to do so with the popupbutton
10:29 < rxr> and I need to talk to avision to get the ocr engine license for os x - people ask for ocr'ed pdf these days ...
10:29 < rxr> they already licence one for their windows a-on ...
10:29 < rxr> add on ...
10:29 < rxr> valentin: some applicatoins allow renming via pressing on the button
10:29 < rxr> valentin: e.g. as interface builder
10:30 < rxr> but renaming is not needed till monday bug fixing is more important ...
10:30 < rxr> though with renaming it would look more polished
10:36 < rxr> hm, didn't we once had a default gamma of 2.2 ?
10:42 < valentin> rxr: we removed it half a year ago, because it looked quite uncolorful with most of the scanners
10:42 < valentin> it was far tooo whitisch
10:42 < valentin> but every scanner behaves different
10:42 < rxr> for all recent scanners it is 2.2 and that is what avision.c initilizes the gamma table with ...
10:43 < rxr> however I could tag the 1.0 vs. 2.2 in the avision.c device list
10:43 < valentin> i had one that looked far tooo milky
10:43 < rxr> but the mac driver would not change to gues it aside interpreting the prefilled gamma table ...
10:43 < rxr> yes, the old b0rked HP74xx ...
10:43 < valentin> i remember
10:43 < rxr> I mostly care about new and Avision devices ...
10:44 < rxr> valentin: guess guessing from prefilled gamma table if I mark in avision.c is not such a nice option, is it ?
10:44 < rxr> if ( gamma_table[sizeof(gamma_table)/2] != 127 /* or so */)
10:45 < rxr> gamma=2.2
10:45 < rxr> else
10:45 < valentin> no
10:45 < rxr> gamma=1.0;
10:45 < rxr> fi
10:45 < rxr> err
10:45 < rxr> }
10:45 < rxr> too much bash
10:45 < valentin> why not just adding a constant offset to the gamma slider value ?
10:45 < rxr> and one missing semicolon ...
10:45 < rxr> you mean automatically inside avision.c ?
10:45 < rxr> btw. gamma is not linear ...
10:45 < valentin> no
10:46 < valentin> rxr: gamma is not a single value
10:46 < valentin> and the gamma table is not gamma only but brightness and contrast too
10:46 < valentin> is there any way the backend can pass an information double value to the frontend ?
10:47 < rxr> yet another option ?
10:47 < rxr> a SANE_AVISOIN_ENHANCED #ifdef option ?
10:47 < owl> moin
10:48 < valentin> moin owl
10:49 < valentin> yes, i just need a simple value to scale / add to the gui gamma slider value
10:49 < valentin> transparent of course
10:50 < rxr> hm - not today
10:51 < rxr> but changing the value to 2.2 already would be good
11:01 < CIA-8> rene * r14827 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf: * simplified mkinitrd conditional
11:03 < rxr> .oO
11:03 < rxr> f*ck
11:03 < rxr> corrupted my working copy linux-conf.in ...
11:03 < rxr> damned
11:05 < CIA-8> jsaw * r14828 /trunk/package/games/clanlib/ (5 files):
11:05 < CIA-8> * LIBTOOL-QUIRK candidate
11:05 < CIA-8> * copyright update
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11:11 < CIA-8> jsaw * r14829 /trunk/package/mail/fetchmail/fetchmail.desc: * flagged AUTOMAKE-QUIRK
11:13 < nzg> moin
11:14 < rxr> moin nzg
11:33 < CIA-8> aldas * r14830 /trunk/package/network/lighttpd/ (lighttpd.conf lighttpd.desc): * updated lighttpd (1.4.8 -> 1.4.9)
11:33 < Baldzius> good morning :)
11:39 < rxr> moin Baldzius
11:40 < Baldzius> hi rxr
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12:14 < rxr_> ouhm
12:14 < rxr_> this AP is no fun at all
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12:56 < LMJ> new kernel is out ;)
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13:22 < martin_tfh> hello :)
13:22 < martin_tfh> rxr_: You are online?
14:02 < rxr_> yes
14:02 < rxr_> hi martin_tfh
14:03 < rxr_> martin_tfh: something urgent fh related? or why do you ask from the tfh?
14:04 -!- You're now known as rxr
14:31 < rxr> uncached reiser3 svn st on my laptop:
14:31 < rxr> real 2m31.815s
14:31 < rxr> user 0m0.984s
14:31 < rxr> sys 0m1.176s
14:31 < rxr> cached:
14:31 < rxr> real 0m22.986s
14:31 < rxr> user 0m0.888s
14:31 < rxr> sys 0m0.532s
14:32 < rxr> halfly cached reiser4 svn st on the same laptop:
14:32 < rxr> real 0m3.594s
14:32 < rxr> user 0m0.976s
14:32 < rxr> sys 0m0.800s
14:32 < rxr> cached:
14:32 < rxr> real 0m3.275s
14:32 < rxr> user 0m0.900s
14:32 < rxr> sys 0m0.568s
14:33 * rxr testbuilding linux26mm on reiser4 4 thy fun of it ..
14:33 < Baldzius> yeah , reiser4 is fast, that's why i moved my working tree on reiser4 partiton :)
14:33 < Baldzius> svn up is done in seconds
14:34 < Baldzius> ext3 just stinks :)
14:34 < rxr> i did not use ext* for serious work since half a decade now ...
14:34 < rxr> reiser3 exclusively ...
14:35 < rxr> Baldzius: any reiser4 incident so far ?
14:36 < Baldzius> rxr: 1, had two lib dirs under same /
14:36 < Baldzius> on ref build
14:36 < martin_tfh> rxr: oh no. fh is closed. and a'm not creative enough to find a good nickname
14:37 < martin_tfh> rxr: i have a question about dvb-t firmware driver. do you have some minutes for a privat chat?
14:38 < rxr> ouhm
14:38 < rxr> a bit busy, but sure ...
14:39 < rxr> martin_tfh: you know that you need to be registered these days for private messages in IRC here ?
14:39 < martin_tfh> yes ... i see it. ups
14:40 < martin_tfh> I will writ ea short mail ;)
14:40 < rxr> or phone ...
14:40 < rxr> you also can type here ...
14:40 < martin_tfh> number? the old one?
14:41 < rxr> 255...
14:41 < rxr> my phone mubers have not changed since 2 years now ...
14:41 < rxr> and will not ...
14:41 < rxr> though a dedicated company no. will appear sooner than later ...
14:45 < martin_tfh> rxr: okay, i will phone you in some minutes ...
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15:01 < morfoh> hi * :)
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15:04 < rxr_> damn AP software
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15:05 < Baldzius> hi morfoh
15:05 < morfoh> hi Baldzius :)
15:06 < morfoh> rxr: build or config problem ?
15:07 < morfoh> rxr: or do you mean "your" original Linksys firmware
15:13 < CIA-8> aldas * r14832 /trunk/package/develop/libgdiplus/libgdiplus.desc: * updated libgdiplus (1.1.10 -> 1.1.13)
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15:19 < Baldzius> jsaw around?
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15:30 < mipe> mnemoc: in what state is mnemosyne in trunk?
15:31 < sparc-kly[U5]> broken
15:32 < morfoh> sparc-kly[U5]: why broken ?
15:32 < sparc-kly[U5]> is a joke . i dont have idea :)
15:34 < morfoh> sparc-kly[U5]: bad boy ;)
15:36 < morfoh> mipe: I think, you've to do some manual work. savest way is to use it with 2.1 atm. I guess
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16:21 < rxr> morfoh: original firmware is a p**** of s**t
16:21 < rxr> morfoh: watch my random reconnects and get a feeling ...
16:23 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... it's really annoying :/
16:23 < rxr> yeah, guess how it "feels" on my end
16:24 < rxr> if my neighbour would not be using it as well I would already have started tinkering T2 onto it ...
16:24 < rxr> not 3 2 1 my - ebay commercial, but 3 2 1, t2 on the AP ...
16:25 < morfoh> rxr: :)
16:26 < morfoh> rxr: regarding a mipsel cross-build I experienced more problems on trunk than on 2.1
16:28 < rxr> hm
16:28 < morfoh> rxr: i.e. new openssl-0.9.8 in trunk doesn't support mipsel and gcc-4.0.2 seems to have problems too ...
16:28 < rxr> hm hm
16:28 * rxr is uni mode ..
16:28 < rxr> can you come back in some more days ?
16:28 < rxr> or do the uni work for me ?
16:29 < morfoh> rxr: of course :)
16:29 * rxr prefers the 2nd choice ...
16:29 < rxr> how is your uni stuf going actually ?
16:29 < morfoh> rxr: quite ok ... can't compmlain
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16:32 * morfoh needs sth. to eat ... switching into cooking mode ... bbl ;)
16:33 * rxr rebooting a printk instrumented firmware loading kernel while doing the uni and other washing work ...
16:33 < rxr> bbl
16:33 < morfoh> cu :)
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16:48 < CIA-8> rene * r14833 /trunk/package/base/linux26mm/ (linux26mm.conf linux26mm.desc): * updated linux26mm (2.6.15-mm1 -> 2.6.15-mm4)
16:49 < rxr> re
16:50 < rxr> reiser4 is so damn fast I hope I do not trigger bugs in the next days ...
16:50 < rxr> if not it likely quickly becomes my new standard FS ..
16:55 < Baldzius> ^^ -- i was thinking about that
16:59 < CIA-8> mtr * r14834 /trunk/package/multimedia/vdr/ (25 files):
16:59 < CIA-8> * updated vdr (1.3.37 -> 1.3.39)
16:59 < CIA-8> * updated plugins: remote, dvd, mp3/mplayer, image, dxr3, epgsearch
16:59 < CIA-8> * added plugin: cdda
16:59 < CIA-8> * fixed some download urls, updated copyrights
17:00 < LMJ> helloou
17:01 < Baldzius> hi LMJ
17:01 < LMJ> what's Bal
17:01 < LMJ> Baldzius
17:01 < LMJ> with the Tab, it's better ;)
17:02 < Baldzius> :)
17:03 < CIA-8> mtr * r14835 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/jack-fix.patch: * fixed copyright note for recently added jack patch
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17:05 < CIA-8> mtr * r14836 /trunk/package/mail/nullmailer/nullmailer.desc: * updated nullmailer (1.01 -> 1.02)
17:05 < CIA-8> mtr * r14837 /trunk/package/gnome2/gcalctool/gcalctool.desc: * updated gcalctool (5.7.11 -> 5.7.23)
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17:30 < misl> hi folks :)
17:32 < misl> Error logs from ref64-2.1-stable-x86-64-generic:
17:32 < misl> [1] base/linux24 [1] shells/pdksh
17:32 < misl> [3] base/gettext [5] base/linux24
17:32 < misl> [5] games/bsd-games [5] security/opensc
17:32 < misl> [5] graphic/transfig [5] network/ettercap
17:32 < misl> [5] network/chrony [5] x11/ddcxinfo
17:32 < misl> [5] www/w3m [5] contrib/directfb
17:32 < misl> 1646 builds total, 485 completed fine, 12 with errors.
17:44 < rxr> hey misl
17:45 < rxr> finally, with a printk instrumented firmware loader in the kernel I found what weng booom on loading ipw2200 firmware on my subnotebook ...
17:45 < rxr> hotplug++ comaintainer jsaw around?
17:45 < _Ragnar_> what's a weng booom?
17:46 < rxr> hotplug++ messed it up ...
17:46 < rxr> the new kernel generate a remove even when the firmware file is loaded when the pseudo entry is removed in /sys
17:47 < rxr> I did not expected it and tried to load the firmware on either event source ...
17:47 < rxr> of course this messed up the 2nd and 3rd file with interleaved writes ...
17:47 < rxr> could have found out from user-land
17:47 < rxr> but I did not expect to look in that area ...
17:48 < _Ragnar_> O_O
17:51 < rxr> you name it
17:51 < rxr> lived with broken w-lan for nearly a week already ...
17:51 < rxr> and formerly it did not work always ...
17:52 < rxr> but I will not bore you with more details ...
17:52 < rxr> how is live in the US ?
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18:09 < CIA-8> rene * r14838 /trunk/package/base/hotplug++/hotplug++.desc: * updated hotplug++ (0.0.3 -> 0.0.4) - fixes firmware loading corruption
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18:13 < rxr__> valentin: the SuperH people are active enough to have implemented "This adds kexec() support for SH." - executing, aka. booting, a new kernel from within a running one ...
18:18 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178176063.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
18:19 < rxr__> so - off to susan soon I think
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18:24 < karasz> moin all
18:26 < misl> Error logs from ref64-2.1-stable-x86-64-generic:
18:26 < misl> [1] base/linux24 [1] shells/pdksh
18:26 < misl> [3] base/gettext [5] base/linux24
18:26 < misl> [5] games/bsd-games [5] security/opensc
18:26 < misl> [5] graphic/transfig [5] network/ettercap
18:26 < misl> [5] network/chrony [5] x11/ddcxinfo
18:26 < misl> [5] www/w3m [5] contrib/directfb
18:26 < misl> [5] filesystem/siefs [5] emulators/gens
18:26 < misl> 1646 builds total, 530 completed fine, 14 with errors.
18:26 < misl> hi karasz
18:27 < karasz> hi minto
18:27 < karasz> i just popped in for a moment
18:27 < karasz> i wanted to appologize to you all
18:28 < karasz> i had a moment of untrustines (something like Thomas had once)
18:29 < karasz> and i took some wrong ways...
18:29 < karasz> and i paid the price
18:30 < misl> uhh?
18:31 < karasz> sometimes last thursday i messed up my KDE menues in T2
18:31 < karasz> so instead of takin care of it, after i fiddled with it some 10 minutes i gave up
18:31 < karasz> and i installed a Kanotix
18:32 < misl> ;) So what price did you pay?
18:32 < karasz> everything was beautifull until i tried to install xen
18:32 < karasz> it installed fine but
18:32 < karasz> after the reboot the hell begun
18:33 < karasz> first it did not boot because it canot find the partition to boot
18:33 < misl> Poor you, now you have even more mess
18:33 < karasz> i tried everything, reinstall grub, make the right partition active, the works
18:33 < karasz> nothing helped
18:34 < karasz> now i am home again ;)
18:34 < karasz> T2 2.1 runnin fine
18:34 < karasz> and i learned my lesson
18:34 < karasz> `not everything that is new and shiny worth your money`
18:35 < karasz> everything is clean again :)
18:35 < misl> Use a second system, so you do not mess up your primary system ;-)
18:35 < karasz> brand new partitions only with T2 on them
18:36 < karasz> sadly my second system is a *ows one
18:36 < karasz> and it must remain so
18:36 < karasz> :(
18:38 < karasz> morfoh, are you around?
18:40 < misl> 2.1 ref64
18:40 < misl> 1646 builds total, 541 completed fine, 14 with errors.
18:40 < misl> rest will have to wait till tomorrow :(
18:42 < _Ragnar_> :D
18:42 < rxr__> coon off
18:43 -!- You're now known as rxr
18:43 < rxr> soon
18:43 < karasz> moin rxr
18:44 < rxr> cu
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18:59 < valentin> cu rxr
18:59 < valentin> hi avm
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19:55 < rxr> re
19:55 < rxr> oh, hi netrunner
19:57 < netrunner> hi rxr.
19:57 < netrunner> rxr: this hotplug++ thing, can it be used with hal?
19:58 < karasz> guys i have a prob with kmail
19:58 < karasz> i cannot send mails
19:58 -!- Baldzius_ [n=baldzius@85.206.102.148] has joined #t2
19:59 < karasz> the process for smtp://.....IP..... protocol died unexpectedly
20:02 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20:10 < rxr> netrunner: of course
20:10 < rxr> netrunner: though "we" and I use udev as multiplexer these days ..
20:11 < rxr> hotplug++ detects if called thru udev and does not multiplex the hotplug.d stuff then ...
20:11 < rxr> but hotplug++ stil supports this, already legacy, mode ..
20:11 < netrunner> rxr: I have drawbacks using udevsend in /proc...hotplug. some depending modules are not loaded etc...
20:12 < karasz> rxr can you give me a hand?
20:12 < netrunner> karasz: can you talk with the smtp server by hand?
20:12 < rxr> karasz: ouhm - have to finish university stuff ...
20:12 < rxr> netrunner: well, altough udev stuff just works, you must do something really strange or broken config, /proc/.../hotplug is not used anymore these days
20:13 < netrunner> karasz: find the module responsiple for smtp and see if it has problems, e.g. unresolved deps.
20:13 < rxr> udevd gets events thru the netlink socket ....
20:13 < netrunner> rxr: from kernel?
20:13 < karasz> smtp is fine
20:13 < netrunner> ?
20:13 < rxr> netrunner: yes, netlink is the way and way more efficient ...
20:13 < rxr> well, now I tell you want t2 has all ahead ... wondering when I see patches in submaster ...
20:13 < netrunner> rxr: does this need to be activated? is there a paper about it somewhere?
20:14 < rxr> though just using t2 woudl save you lots of time ...
20:14 < rxr> well - not much paper - jsut some competent people following the development of the open source world ...
20:14 < netrunner> rxr: I don't like the t2 development model
20:14 < rxr> disabling goes thru echo "" > /proc/.../hotplug
20:14 * rxr heh - me falling from the chair laughing ...
20:14 < rxr> have fun then
20:15 * rxr back to paper work ...
20:15 < netrunner> well, you see yourself you often have a broken head ...
20:15 < rxr> netrunner: excuse me ?
20:16 < karasz> 0.0
20:16 < valentin> netrunner: that is why we have development and stable tree
20:16 < karasz> head is supposed to breack now and then
20:16 < karasz> after all if nor iy would be `stable`
20:16 < rxr> netrunner: broken t2 trunk:HEAD ?
20:16 < rxr> barely ...
20:16 < valentin> HEAD may be messed up sometimes, but the more of us use head, the faster stuff is fixed
20:16 < karasz> don't you think?
20:17 < netrunner> valentin: well, stable trees don't get updated often enough :)
20:17 < rxr> hehe - how rock is messed up with each submaster bomb flush .. hitting svn ...
20:17 < netrunner> with rock head, I can be sure it builds and it has all latest stuf in.
20:17 < rxr> netrunner: lol ...
20:17 < valentin> mnemoc makes a good job maintaining 2.1
20:17 < rxr> that is the joke of the year ...
20:17 < netrunner> hey, stop it please, I am not here to discuss dick lengths.
20:17 < rxr> netrunner: on rock even trunk is outdated, btw
20:17 < owl> .oO( you love each other )
20:17 < valentin> rxr, netrunner: i think it does not make much sense to start a flamewar here
20:17 < rxr> netrunner: you came to that conclusion yourself at CCC ...
20:18 < netrunner> rxr: this discussion is useless.
20:18 < rxr> valentin: I just relax ...
20:18 < rxr> in fact I find that quite entertaining ...
20:18 < rxr> good jokes are always welcome to make my evening ..
20:18 < valentin> whoever wants to stick with submaster, go for it.
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20:19 * rxr wonders where mnemoc is hiding ...
20:19 < valentin> rxr: gone voting, i guess
20:19 < rxr> ah - damn guess gone counting voes, right ?
20:19 < rxr> forgot about that duty ...
20:20 < valentin> yep
20:20 < rxr> netrunner: in fact I wonder why rock is not more closely monitoring T2, you could save a lot of work pasting nearly ever T2 revision ...
20:20 < valentin> rxr: you want that ?
20:21 < netrunner> valentin: he can't avoid that :)
20:21 < rxr> it is GPL after all - if they do not mess the t2 copyright line they are fine doing so ...
20:21 < rxr> but I guess they do not want to admit that T2 is more than Intel's tiny leap ahead ...
20:21 < valentin> rxr: i think adding 7000+ patches would kill sm
20:22 < netrunner> rxr: you mean like you, removing all the rock copyright tags?
20:22 < valentin> netrunner: he never did
20:22 < netrunner> valentin: ah, right, I overread it :)
20:22 < valentin> the copyright note of the old stuff is still there (C) by Rocklinux
20:23 < rxr> netrunner: all files originated from ROCK that carried that note still have the Copyright ROCK Linxu project ... jadda jadda line ...
20:23 < rxr> not to forget I was repsonsible for 1/2 of the ROCK code base ...
20:24 < netrunner> rxr: and for splitting the rock community
20:24 < rxr> netrunner: if I would not have done 1.7-2.0 rock would be long dead
20:24 < valentin> netrunner : the rock community is still the old one
20:24 < rxr> clifford alone manged to drive users and developers away for a loooong time
20:24 < valentin> i.e. vienna and ingolstadt
20:25 < rxr> and when dRock merged it was more popular and stable then the never ending and never released 1.6 cycle ...
20:25 < rxr> I can nip on the tea chatting about that kind of history since lived it ...
20:26 < netrunner> valentin: well, I miss contact to the people that now only are at t2.
20:26 < valentin> netrunner: www.frappr.com/t2
20:26 < valentin> besides mnemoc and me, who is there still ?
20:26 < rxr> netrunner: guess if more than I left it had a reason
20:26 < valentin> ah jsaw i forgot
20:27 < rxr> and you should remeber the details as well
20:27 < rxr> though you are free to hang around here as well ...
20:28 -!- Baldzius_ is now known as Baldzius
20:28 < netrunner> valentin: you mean at rock?
20:29 < netrunner> rxr: I did not understand your comment about the congress. ..
20:29 < valentin> netrunner: i think he refers to your bof
20:29 < valentin> "dealing with a massively outdated trunk"
20:30 < Baldzius> ^^ - that's why i've switched to t2
20:31 < rxr> though t2 has more goodies than up-to-dateness ..
20:31 < Baldzius> hi netrunner :)
20:31 < Baldzius> yes , livecd target also
20:31 < netrunner> rxr: it has no package split. or has that changed by now?
20:31 < netrunner> hi Baldzius
20:31 < rxr> netrunner: heh - no #ifdef for us ...
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20:31 < valentin> and concerning HEAD vs. stable, the delay between updates is at most 4 weeks, that is less than some submaster patches take.
20:31 < rxr> netrunner: in package build e.g. for 3rd party kernel modules? has htat changed at rock?
20:31 < netrunner> rxr: so how do you keep out documentation and development stuff from systems that don't need it?
20:32 < rxr> netrunner: you are loosing this
20:32 < valentin> netrunner: we have more fine grained package config mechanisms
20:32 < rxr> netrunner: this is not interesting to handle on a package ganularity
20:32 < netrunner> rxr: I am not fighting, I cannot loose :P
20:32 < rxr> livecd and embedded stuff will just not include it into the image ...
20:32 < rxr> netrunner: but say, do you have sophisticated cross support?
20:32 < rxr> netrunner: C++ cross support ?
20:33 < netrunner> rxr: I don't know, I don't need it.
20:33 < rxr> netrunner: target image processing
20:33 < rxr> netrunner: seperated boot code ?
20:33 < rxr> netrunner: modular X ?
20:33 < rxr> ...
20:33 < rxr> ..
20:33 < rxr> netrunner: ok - I focus on uni work then ...
20:33 < valentin> rxr: our develpment model sucks, so...
20:33 < _Ragnar_> honestly, the package splitting was a reason for me to move away from rock
20:34 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ACK - first thing reverted ... after the fork *g*
20:34 < netrunner> _Ragnar_: well, you don't need to use it :)
20:34 < rxr> netrunner: btw. our mine handles vanilla tar* packages and does not crash that often
20:34 < rxr> netrunner: you might want to pull the patches ...
20:34 < _Ragnar_> theoretically .... in practice it adds unneeded complexity
20:34 < rxr> netrunner: at least the segfault fixes ...
20:34 < rxr> just a thought
20:35 < rxr> netrunner: not to mention that your x86-64 support is lacking ...
20:35 < valentin> me in the background now, i find this flaming here to boring
20:35 < rxr> netrunner: and I do not need to mention ppc64, mips64 among others ...
20:36 < rxr> cu all
20:38 < netrunner> valentin: you could /ignore rxr :)
20:39 < netrunner> valentin: the problem with rxr is, that he always explodes if you touch one of his sensitive topics.
20:40 < valentin> he does a hell of a good work anyway.
20:40 < valentin> and yes, ranting about sm vs. svn is a very sensitive topic - one of those which caused the fork.
20:40 < netrunner> valentin: most geniouses are like that :)
20:41 < valentin> btw: most ppl here prefer open HEAD over sm
20:41 < netrunner> valentin: this character trait is one of the main things that keeps me from switching.
20:41 < valentin> netrunner: fake and clifford are not much better ...
20:42 < valentin> and btw, since the fork rxr is much calmer than ever since rock 2.0
20:43 < _Ragnar_> indeed
20:43 < _Ragnar_> much more productive too =)
20:44 < Baldzius> :))
20:44 < valentin> netrunner: somehow you managed to light his fuse again ;)
20:44 < karasz> ok guys
20:44 < karasz> have to hit tha sack
20:44 < karasz> Baldzius, ;)
20:44 < karasz> valentin
20:44 < valentin> karasz
20:45 < Baldzius> ?
20:46 < karasz> nothing, i was just kinda hello/bye greeting
20:46 < Baldzius> :)
20:46 < karasz> made in the english mode
20:46 < Baldzius> go with peace karasz :)
20:46 < valentin> karasz: i get a similar message with kmail, when i tunnel imap via ssh and the ssh connection dies
20:49 < karasz> valentin, that's not it
20:50 < karasz> it is a folder missundrestanding
20:50 < karasz> i solved it in the mean time
20:50 < valentin> :)
20:50 < karasz> the old `diy` method
20:53 < rxr> 20:40 < netrunner> valentin: most geniouses are like that :)
20:53 < rxr> ?
20:54 < rxr> flamewar where?
20:55 < rxr> just some arguments while nipping on a good tea is quite relaxing ..
20:55 < valentin> nowhere, just a misunderstanding ;)
20:55 < rxr> well /me just not falls into the "submaster geniouses" definition ...
20:56 < valentin> what is a submaster genius ?
20:56 < karasz> back for just 1 question
20:56 < rxr> 20:40 < netrunner> valentin: most geniouses are like that :)
20:56 < karasz> is it normal to have /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 in the same time?
20:56 < rxr> oh
20:56 < rxr> I read liek it ...
20:56 < rxr> heh
20:56 < valentin> rxr: yes, but what is a submaster genius ?
20:56 < karasz> /usr/lib is not symlink to /usr/lib64
20:57 < valentin> is this some kind of sm contributor rating ?
20:57 < rxr> valentin: no - I just misread netunners line in scrollback
20:57 < rxr> karasz: lib sould not be symlinked into lib64
20:57 < rxr> they are seperated intentionally ...
20:58 < karasz> i feared that
20:58 < rxr> ah
20:58 < rxr> yes it is normal on biarch systems to have lib and lib64 ...
20:58 < rxr> that is ppc64, sparc64, x86-64 and so on
20:58 < rxr> not alpha
20:58 < rxr> and only sometimes ia64
20:58 < rxr> karasz: why do you ask ?
20:59 < karasz> i had some problems with kmail
20:59 < rxr> karasz: what t2 version and architecture ?
20:59 < karasz> i almost moved files from lib to lib64
20:59 < karasz> 2.1 stable
20:59 < karasz> x86-64
20:59 < rxr> hm
21:00 < rxr> desktop ?
21:00 < karasz> i managed to move some files from lib to lib64
21:00 < karasz> yes
21:00 < rxr> karasz: I think this i before I fixed KDE for lib64
21:00 < karasz> seems like that resolved my kmail problem because now it is workin...
21:00 < rxr> do you have /opt/kde3/lib ?
21:00 < karasz> yep
21:00 < rxr> is it empty
21:00 < rxr> ?
21:00 < karasz> minute
21:00 < rxr> or was it empty before you moved stuf there ?
21:01 < karasz> so
21:01 < karasz> /opt/kde3/lib was empty
21:01 < rxr> and now ?
21:01 < karasz> i made it to sumplinc /opt/kde3/lib64
21:01 < rxr> ah -ok
21:01 < rxr> symlink is fine
21:01 < karasz> kde won't even start before that
21:01 < rxr> and in fact works around a kde config problem
21:02 < rxr> I fixed this in trunk last week or so
21:02 < karasz> but i was talkin' abt /usr/lib and /usr/lib64
21:02 < rxr> need to merge that and a openssl fix into stable for the last release
21:02 < rxr> karasz: no - leave those as they where ...
21:02 < karasz> ok
21:02 < karasz> btw
21:02 < rxr> for kde without the real fix (which requires rebuildign anyway) just /opt/kde3/ symlink is fine
21:03 < karasz> lzo package seems to be broken..
21:03 < rxr> why ?
21:03 < karasz> i mean it builds fine but pack which depend on it break on build
21:03 < rxr> fails in stage 0 =
21:03 < rxr> hm
21:04 < rxr> worked so far here
21:04 < karasz> last time an Emerge -force lzo (after addin FPIC-QUIRK) solved
21:04 < rxr> well - I have to sleep now - to finish uni stuff in the early early morning
21:04 < karasz> the problem
21:04 < karasz> cu rxr
21:04 < rxr> karasz: ah FPIC-QUIRK that might be
21:04 < rxr> karasz: still needed ?
21:04 < valentin> sleep well rxr
21:04 < karasz> i can fix that for my system but i thought that i should tell someone
21:05 < rxr> valentin: I'll try to have some nice submaster dreams ...
21:05 < rxr> karasz: so FPIC-QUIRK still needed for lzo ?
21:06 < karasz> i will check and give an answer tomorow
21:06 < valentin> rxr stop joking about theese poor people...
21:06 < karasz> but as i remember yes
21:06 < rxr> valentin: you are so right
21:07 < rxr> valentin: I light one of susan's candles for those
21:07 < rxr> karasz: ouhm - editor already open ..
21:08 < rxr> karasz: what failed ? lzop ?
21:08 < karasz> minute
21:08 < karasz> nope
21:08 < karasz> gnutls fails because lzo is not fPIC
21:09 < karasz> /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /usr/lib64/liblzo.a(lzo_init.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
21:09 < karasz> /usr/lib64/liblzo.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
21:09 < rxr> karasz: ok
21:10 < karasz> and while we are on the topic
21:10 < CIA-8> rene * r14839 /trunk/package/archiver/lzo/lzo.desc:
21:10 < CIA-8> Nagy Karoly Gabriel:
21:10 < CIA-8> * marked lzo FPIC-QUIRK, as needed (x86-64)
21:10 < karasz> someone should check mozilla download
21:10 < rxr> karasz: ! I wanted to bed ...
21:10 < rxr> karasz: oum
21:10 < karasz> sorry
21:10 < rxr> tomorrow ...
21:10 < karasz> ;)
21:10 < rxr> heh
21:10 < rxr> n8 all
21:10 < rxr> netrunner: too - have nice dreams ...
21:10 < karasz> sleep well rxr
21:10 < rxr> ... from a better World ...
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21:53 < martin_tfh> oh, gn8 rxr
21:53 < martin_tfh> and gn8 all. i will sleep, too
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23:46 < CIA-8> aldas * r14840 /trunk/package/kde/amarok/amarok.desc: * updated amarok (1.3.7 -> 1.3.8)
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00:21 -!- Baldzius_ is now known as Baldzius
00:38 < mnemoc> re
00:45 < Baldzius> wb mnemoc
00:45 < Baldzius> do you have a min?
00:47 < mnemoc> 12
00:47 < Baldzius> :)
00:47 < Baldzius> what do you think about adding trunk's package list to distrowatch/t2 ?
00:47 < Baldzius> is it hard?
00:48 < Baldzius> i asked rene but hm .. he didn't answer
00:48 < mnemoc> that is done by distrowatch
00:48 < mnemoc> when we have the first rc of t2 2.2, they will add a column for it
00:49 < Baldzius> i ask because every source distro i know has it ... lunar call it moonbase rocklinux - current and so on
00:50 < mnemoc> ask them how to feed the info
00:50 < Baldzius> whom?
00:51 < Baldzius> lunar && rocklinux? :)
00:51 < Baldzius> sourcemage has grimoire
00:51 < mnemoc> distrowatch
00:51 < Baldzius> gentoo - unstable
00:52 < mnemoc> they may want periodic snapshots
00:58 < Baldzius> hm
00:58 < Baldzius> and how distrowatch knows about what package versions the release has?
00:58 < Baldzius> _file_ ?
00:59 < mnemoc> we CC them the announce mail
01:01 < mnemoc> ask them :)
01:01 < mnemoc> we would like to feed 2.1-stable and 2.2-trunk versions :)
01:02 < mnemoc> brb
01:03 < Baldzius> iirc gentoo stable/unstable are fed by _file_ located on ftp
01:03 < mnemoc> that's easy
01:03 < Baldzius> automatically generated each day
01:03 < mnemoc> sample?
01:03 < Baldzius> u ask me i have it?
01:05 < Baldzius> that was long time ago and i remember there was a simple list of packages "_package_ _version_"
01:06 < Baldzius> but if rocklinux has it rene should know about that, maybe he isn't interested ...
01:07 < Baldzius> .o0 ( my thoughts ) :)
01:11 < Baldzius> oops rocklinux has it named "snapshot"
01:11 < Baldzius> not current
01:22 < Baldzius> 'k ... /me in bed ... gn8 all :)
01:35 < mnemoc> re
01:35 < mnemoc> rene is just busy
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07:32 < rxr> re
07:32 < rxr> moin all
07:33 < rxr> Baldzius: mnemoc: I have this txt file rock compatible since the beginning
07:33 < rxr> they just have not yet used it
07:34 < rxr> I asked them a year ago though
07:45 < CIA-8> msluis * r14822 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-150/ibm-jdk-150.desc: * Updated URL for ibm-jdk-150
07:45 < CIA-8> msluis * r14823 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-150/ibm-jre-150.desc: * Updated URL for ibm-jre-150
07:46 < rxr> moin minto
07:55 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/
07:55 < rxr> ^- 2.1.1(.1) news
08:04 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/index.txt
08:05 < rxr> our package export, trunk only right now
08:33 < rxr> symlink sory posted
08:33 * rxr coffe
08:33 < rxr> e
08:35 < rxr> bah - -6.x°C no wonder it is cold
08:36 < rxr> °C
08:36 < rxr> hm - I hope you get the degree sign when it does not show up here ...
08:40 < CIA-8> rene * r14824 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in:
08:40 < CIA-8> * simplified linux-conf.in: use sed -i and avoid unnecessary newline
08:40 < CIA-8> quoting
08:40 < CIA-8> * abort if the version can not be extracted (the case for latest
08:40 < CIA-8> -mm kernels)
09:31 < CIA-8> jsaw * r14825 /trunk/package/scientific/root/ (root.conf root.desc):
09:31 < CIA-8> * update root (5.04.00 -> 5.08.00)
09:31 < CIA-8> * re-enabled xrootd (untested)
09:31 < CIA-8> * added x86-64 configuration (others to be done!)
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09:58 < CIA-8> sebastian * r14826 /trunk/package/audio/eq-xmms/ (eq-xmms.desc slider.patch): * updated eq-xmms (0.6 -> 0.7)
09:58 < LMJ> brb
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10:04 < LMJ> hello back
10:13 < rxr> hi LMJ
10:13 < LMJ> morning rxr
10:13 < LMJ> how are you ?
10:13 < rxr> ouhm
10:14 < rxr> guess I get some angry customers on monday since the os x driver release will not be ready ...
10:14 < rxr> aside from that, and that I had to notice the bakery is not open on sundays at 7 o'clock quite fine
10:14 < rxr> one is opening at 8 and the other at 9 ...
10:15 < rxr> ouhm
10:15 < valentin> moin
10:15 < rxr> and now my subnotebook turned off, better should have plugged in the power cord
10:15 < valentin> rxr: i cannot reproduce that close - open bug
10:15 < valentin> though i had a similar crash once
10:15 < valentin> after doing more complex stuff
10:16 < rxr> well, maybe my use case was more complex then and I oversimplified it to open scan close open ...
10:17 < valentin> i tried, but it must be more complex than preview - change settings/profiles - scan - close - open
10:17 < valentin> but once the driver crashed after open when i tried to set the scan mode
10:17 < valentin> whatever
10:20 < rxr> what about the preview crash at 180 dpi preview mode?
10:21 < valentin> you told me about 175. 175 did not crash, and 176 too. i can try 180
10:21 < rxr> yes of course the one in the flie
10:22 < rxr> are you sure you scanned the preview at 175 dpi ?
10:22 < valentin> yes
10:22 < valentin> it took twice the time than normal
10:22 < valentin> so i am quite sure
10:22 < rxr> hm
10:23 < valentin> if you can produce that crash in your office, i'll come around monday evening
10:23 < rxr> you have not yer removed the preview coloring with auto-selection test code ß
10:23 < rxr> ? even
10:24 < valentin> i am on it
10:24 < valentin> however, if you want to release within the next 5 minutes, i can commit an intermediate version without selection
10:25 < rxr> no
10:25 < rxr> I want some more working version tomorrow
10:25 < rxr> could you save the no profile case values as well?
10:26 < rxr> people want that ...
10:26 < rxr> that is let the driver use the last values when they boot their box another day ...
10:26 < valentin> rxr: so i just that 'no profile' button ??
10:27 < valentin> ... remove....
10:27 < rxr> no, just also save the "no profile" profile into the file ...
10:27 < valentin> ok, it's just removing an if profile != 0 switch
10:27 < rxr> so they have a scratch area among the profiles ..
10:27 < rxr> yep
10:28 < rxr> btw. on the long term the profiles would be handy to be renameable ...
10:29 < valentin> yes, but this sucks in OSX interface ... i'll take a look how to do so with the popupbutton
10:29 < rxr> and I need to talk to avision to get the ocr engine license for os x - people ask for ocr'ed pdf these days ...
10:29 < rxr> they already licence one for their windows a-on ...
10:29 < rxr> add on ...
10:29 < rxr> valentin: some applicatoins allow renming via pressing on the button
10:29 < rxr> valentin: e.g. as interface builder
10:30 < rxr> but renaming is not needed till monday bug fixing is more important ...
10:30 < rxr> though with renaming it would look more polished
10:36 < rxr> hm, didn't we once had a default gamma of 2.2 ?
10:42 < valentin> rxr: we removed it half a year ago, because it looked quite uncolorful with most of the scanners
10:42 < valentin> it was far tooo whitisch
10:42 < valentin> but every scanner behaves different
10:42 < rxr> for all recent scanners it is 2.2 and that is what avision.c initilizes the gamma table with ...
10:43 < rxr> however I could tag the 1.0 vs. 2.2 in the avision.c device list
10:43 < valentin> i had one that looked far tooo milky
10:43 < rxr> but the mac driver would not change to gues it aside interpreting the prefilled gamma table ...
10:43 < rxr> yes, the old b0rked HP74xx ...
10:43 < valentin> i remember
10:43 < rxr> I mostly care about new and Avision devices ...
10:44 < rxr> valentin: guess guessing from prefilled gamma table if I mark in avision.c is not such a nice option, is it ?
10:44 < rxr> if ( gamma_table[sizeof(gamma_table)/2] != 127 /* or so */)
10:45 < rxr> gamma=2.2
10:45 < rxr> else
10:45 < valentin> no
10:45 < rxr> gamma=1.0;
10:45 < rxr> fi
10:45 < rxr> err
10:45 < rxr> }
10:45 < rxr> too much bash
10:45 < valentin> why not just adding a constant offset to the gamma slider value ?
10:45 < rxr> and one missing semicolon ...
10:45 < rxr> you mean automatically inside avision.c ?
10:45 < rxr> btw. gamma is not linear ...
10:45 < valentin> no
10:46 < valentin> rxr: gamma is not a single value
10:46 < valentin> and the gamma table is not gamma only but brightness and contrast too
10:46 < valentin> is there any way the backend can pass an information double value to the frontend ?
10:47 < rxr> yet another option ?
10:47 < rxr> a SANE_AVISOIN_ENHANCED #ifdef option ?
10:47 < owl> moin
10:48 < valentin> moin owl
10:49 < valentin> yes, i just need a simple value to scale / add to the gui gamma slider value
10:49 < valentin> transparent of course
10:50 < rxr> hm - not today
10:51 < rxr> but changing the value to 2.2 already would be good
11:01 < CIA-8> rene * r14827 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf: * simplified mkinitrd conditional
11:03 < rxr> .oO
11:03 < rxr> f*ck
11:03 < rxr> corrupted my working copy linux-conf.in ...
11:03 < rxr> damned
11:05 < CIA-8> jsaw * r14828 /trunk/package/games/clanlib/ (5 files):
11:05 < CIA-8> * LIBTOOL-QUIRK candidate
11:05 < CIA-8> * copyright update
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11:13 < nzg> moin
11:14 < rxr> moin nzg
11:33 < CIA-8> aldas * r14830 /trunk/package/network/lighttpd/ (lighttpd.conf lighttpd.desc): * updated lighttpd (1.4.8 -> 1.4.9)
11:33 < Baldzius> good morning :)
11:39 < rxr> moin Baldzius
11:40 < Baldzius> hi rxr
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12:14 < rxr_> ouhm
12:14 < rxr_> this AP is no fun at all
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12:56 < LMJ> new kernel is out ;)
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13:22 < martin_tfh> hello :)
13:22 < martin_tfh> rxr_: You are online?
14:02 < rxr_> yes
14:02 < rxr_> hi martin_tfh
14:03 < rxr_> martin_tfh: something urgent fh related? or why do you ask from the tfh?
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14:31 < rxr> uncached reiser3 svn st on my laptop:
14:31 < rxr> real 2m31.815s
14:31 < rxr> user 0m0.984s
14:31 < rxr> sys 0m1.176s
14:31 < rxr> cached:
14:31 < rxr> real 0m22.986s
14:31 < rxr> user 0m0.888s
14:31 < rxr> sys 0m0.532s
14:32 < rxr> halfly cached reiser4 svn st on the same laptop:
14:32 < rxr> real 0m3.594s
14:32 < rxr> user 0m0.976s
14:32 < rxr> sys 0m0.800s
14:32 < rxr> cached:
14:32 < rxr> real 0m3.275s
14:32 < rxr> user 0m0.900s
14:32 < rxr> sys 0m0.568s
14:33 * rxr testbuilding linux26mm on reiser4 4 thy fun of it ..
14:33 < Baldzius> yeah , reiser4 is fast, that's why i moved my working tree on reiser4 partiton :)
14:33 < Baldzius> svn up is done in seconds
14:34 < Baldzius> ext3 just stinks :)
14:34 < rxr> i did not use ext* for serious work since half a decade now ...
14:34 < rxr> reiser3 exclusively ...
14:35 < rxr> Baldzius: any reiser4 incident so far ?
14:36 < Baldzius> rxr: 1, had two lib dirs under same /
14:36 < Baldzius> on ref build
14:36 < martin_tfh> rxr: oh no. fh is closed. and a'm not creative enough to find a good nickname
14:37 < martin_tfh> rxr: i have a question about dvb-t firmware driver. do you have some minutes for a privat chat?
14:38 < rxr> ouhm
14:38 < rxr> a bit busy, but sure ...
14:39 < rxr> martin_tfh: you know that you need to be registered these days for private messages in IRC here ?
14:39 < martin_tfh> yes ... i see it. ups
14:40 < martin_tfh> I will writ ea short mail ;)
14:40 < rxr> or phone ...
14:40 < rxr> you also can type here ...
14:40 < martin_tfh> number? the old one?
14:41 < rxr> 255...
14:41 < rxr> my phone mubers have not changed since 2 years now ...
14:41 < rxr> and will not ...
14:41 < rxr> though a dedicated company no. will appear sooner than later ...
14:45 < martin_tfh> rxr: okay, i will phone you in some minutes ...
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15:01 < morfoh> hi * :)
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15:04 < rxr_> damn AP software
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15:05 < Baldzius> hi morfoh
15:05 < morfoh> hi Baldzius :)
15:06 < morfoh> rxr: build or config problem ?
15:07 < morfoh> rxr: or do you mean "your" original Linksys firmware
15:13 < CIA-8> aldas * r14832 /trunk/package/develop/libgdiplus/libgdiplus.desc: * updated libgdiplus (1.1.10 -> 1.1.13)
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15:19 < Baldzius> jsaw around?
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15:30 < mipe> mnemoc: in what state is mnemosyne in trunk?
15:31 < sparc-kly[U5]> broken
15:32 < morfoh> sparc-kly[U5]: why broken ?
15:32 < sparc-kly[U5]> is a joke . i dont have idea :)
15:34 < morfoh> sparc-kly[U5]: bad boy ;)
15:36 < morfoh> mipe: I think, you've to do some manual work. savest way is to use it with 2.1 atm. I guess
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16:21 < rxr> morfoh: original firmware is a p**** of s**t
16:21 < rxr> morfoh: watch my random reconnects and get a feeling ...
16:23 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... it's really annoying :/
16:23 < rxr> yeah, guess how it "feels" on my end
16:24 < rxr> if my neighbour would not be using it as well I would already have started tinkering T2 onto it ...
16:24 < rxr> not 3 2 1 my - ebay commercial, but 3 2 1, t2 on the AP ...
16:25 < morfoh> rxr: :)
16:26 < morfoh> rxr: regarding a mipsel cross-build I experienced more problems on trunk than on 2.1
16:28 < rxr> hm
16:28 < morfoh> rxr: i.e. new openssl-0.9.8 in trunk doesn't support mipsel and gcc-4.0.2 seems to have problems too ...
16:28 < rxr> hm hm
16:28 * rxr is uni mode ..
16:28 < rxr> can you come back in some more days ?
16:28 < rxr> or do the uni work for me ?
16:29 < morfoh> rxr: of course :)
16:29 * rxr prefers the 2nd choice ...
16:29 < rxr> how is your uni stuf going actually ?
16:29 < morfoh> rxr: quite ok ... can't compmlain
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16:32 * morfoh needs sth. to eat ... switching into cooking mode ... bbl ;)
16:33 * rxr rebooting a printk instrumented firmware loading kernel while doing the uni and other washing work ...
16:33 < rxr> bbl
16:33 < morfoh> cu :)
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16:48 < CIA-8> rene * r14833 /trunk/package/base/linux26mm/ (linux26mm.conf linux26mm.desc): * updated linux26mm (2.6.15-mm1 -> 2.6.15-mm4)
16:49 < rxr> re
16:50 < rxr> reiser4 is so damn fast I hope I do not trigger bugs in the next days ...
16:50 < rxr> if not it likely quickly becomes my new standard FS ..
16:55 < Baldzius> ^^ -- i was thinking about that
16:59 < CIA-8> mtr * r14834 /trunk/package/multimedia/vdr/ (25 files):
16:59 < CIA-8> * updated vdr (1.3.37 -> 1.3.39)
16:59 < CIA-8> * updated plugins: remote, dvd, mp3/mplayer, image, dxr3, epgsearch
16:59 < CIA-8> * added plugin: cdda
16:59 < CIA-8> * fixed some download urls, updated copyrights
17:00 < LMJ> helloou
17:01 < Baldzius> hi LMJ
17:01 < LMJ> what's Bal
17:01 < LMJ> Baldzius
17:01 < LMJ> with the Tab, it's better ;)
17:02 < Baldzius> :)
17:03 < CIA-8> mtr * r14835 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/jack-fix.patch: * fixed copyright note for recently added jack patch
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17:05 < CIA-8> mtr * r14836 /trunk/package/mail/nullmailer/nullmailer.desc: * updated nullmailer (1.01 -> 1.02)
17:05 < CIA-8> mtr * r14837 /trunk/package/gnome2/gcalctool/gcalctool.desc: * updated gcalctool (5.7.11 -> 5.7.23)
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17:30 < misl> hi folks :)
17:32 < misl> Error logs from ref64-2.1-stable-x86-64-generic:
17:32 < misl> [1] base/linux24 [1] shells/pdksh
17:32 < misl> [3] base/gettext [5] base/linux24
17:32 < misl> [5] games/bsd-games [5] security/opensc
17:32 < misl> [5] graphic/transfig [5] network/ettercap
17:32 < misl> [5] network/chrony [5] x11/ddcxinfo
17:32 < misl> [5] www/w3m [5] contrib/directfb
17:32 < misl> 1646 builds total, 485 completed fine, 12 with errors.
17:44 < rxr> hey misl
17:45 < rxr> finally, with a printk instrumented firmware loader in the kernel I found what weng booom on loading ipw2200 firmware on my subnotebook ...
17:45 < rxr> hotplug++ comaintainer jsaw around?
17:45 < _Ragnar_> what's a weng booom?
17:46 < rxr> hotplug++ messed it up ...
17:46 < rxr> the new kernel generate a remove even when the firmware file is loaded when the pseudo entry is removed in /sys
17:47 < rxr> I did not expected it and tried to load the firmware on either event source ...
17:47 < rxr> of course this messed up the 2nd and 3rd file with interleaved writes ...
17:47 < rxr> could have found out from user-land
17:47 < rxr> but I did not expect to look in that area ...
17:48 < _Ragnar_> O_O
17:51 < rxr> you name it
17:51 < rxr> lived with broken w-lan for nearly a week already ...
17:51 < rxr> and formerly it did not work always ...
17:52 < rxr> but I will not bore you with more details ...
17:52 < rxr> how is live in the US ?
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18:09 < CIA-8> rene * r14838 /trunk/package/base/hotplug++/hotplug++.desc: * updated hotplug++ (0.0.3 -> 0.0.4) - fixes firmware loading corruption
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18:13 < rxr__> valentin: the SuperH people are active enough to have implemented "This adds kexec() support for SH." - executing, aka. booting, a new kernel from within a running one ...
18:18 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178176063.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
18:19 < rxr__> so - off to susan soon I think
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18:24 < karasz> moin all
18:26 < misl> Error logs from ref64-2.1-stable-x86-64-generic:
18:26 < misl> [1] base/linux24 [1] shells/pdksh
18:26 < misl> [3] base/gettext [5] base/linux24
18:26 < misl> [5] games/bsd-games [5] security/opensc
18:26 < misl> [5] graphic/transfig [5] network/ettercap
18:26 < misl> [5] network/chrony [5] x11/ddcxinfo
18:26 < misl> [5] www/w3m [5] contrib/directfb
18:26 < misl> [5] filesystem/siefs [5] emulators/gens
18:26 < misl> 1646 builds total, 530 completed fine, 14 with errors.
18:26 < misl> hi karasz
18:27 < karasz> hi minto
18:27 < karasz> i just popped in for a moment
18:27 < karasz> i wanted to appologize to you all
18:28 < karasz> i had a moment of untrustines (something like Thomas had once)
18:29 < karasz> and i took some wrong ways...
18:29 < karasz> and i paid the price
18:30 < misl> uhh?
18:31 < karasz> sometimes last thursday i messed up my KDE menues in T2
18:31 < karasz> so instead of takin care of it, after i fiddled with it some 10 minutes i gave up
18:31 < karasz> and i installed a Kanotix
18:32 < misl> ;) So what price did you pay?
18:32 < karasz> everything was beautifull until i tried to install xen
18:32 < karasz> it installed fine but
18:32 < karasz> after the reboot the hell begun
18:33 < karasz> first it did not boot because it canot find the partition to boot
18:33 < misl> Poor you, now you have even more mess
18:33 < karasz> i tried everything, reinstall grub, make the right partition active, the works
18:33 < karasz> nothing helped
18:34 < karasz> now i am home again ;)
18:34 < karasz> T2 2.1 runnin fine
18:34 < karasz> and i learned my lesson
18:34 < karasz> `not everything that is new and shiny worth your money`
18:35 < karasz> everything is clean again :)
18:35 < misl> Use a second system, so you do not mess up your primary system ;-)
18:35 < karasz> brand new partitions only with T2 on them
18:36 < karasz> sadly my second system is a *ows one
18:36 < karasz> and it must remain so
18:36 < karasz> :(
18:38 < karasz> morfoh, are you around?
18:40 < misl> 2.1 ref64
18:40 < misl> 1646 builds total, 541 completed fine, 14 with errors.
18:40 < misl> rest will have to wait till tomorrow :(
18:42 < _Ragnar_> :D
18:42 < rxr__> coon off
18:43 -!- You're now known as rxr
18:43 < rxr> soon
18:43 < karasz> moin rxr
18:44 < rxr> cu
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18:59 < valentin> cu rxr
18:59 < valentin> hi avm
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19:55 < rxr> re
19:55 < rxr> oh, hi netrunner
19:57 < netrunner> hi rxr.
19:57 < netrunner> rxr: this hotplug++ thing, can it be used with hal?
19:58 < karasz> guys i have a prob with kmail
19:58 < karasz> i cannot send mails
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19:59 < karasz> the process for smtp://.....IP..... protocol died unexpectedly
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20:10 < rxr> netrunner: of course
20:10 < rxr> netrunner: though "we" and I use udev as multiplexer these days ..
20:11 < rxr> hotplug++ detects if called thru udev and does not multiplex the hotplug.d stuff then ...
20:11 < rxr> but hotplug++ stil supports this, already legacy, mode ..
20:11 < netrunner> rxr: I have drawbacks using udevsend in /proc...hotplug. some depending modules are not loaded etc...
20:12 < karasz> rxr can you give me a hand?
20:12 < netrunner> karasz: can you talk with the smtp server by hand?
20:12 < rxr> karasz: ouhm - have to finish university stuff ...
20:12 < rxr> netrunner: well, altough udev stuff just works, you must do something really strange or broken config, /proc/.../hotplug is not used anymore these days
20:13 < netrunner> karasz: find the module responsiple for smtp and see if it has problems, e.g. unresolved deps.
20:13 < rxr> udevd gets events thru the netlink socket ....
20:13 < netrunner> rxr: from kernel?
20:13 < karasz> smtp is fine
20:13 < netrunner> ?
20:13 < rxr> netrunner: yes, netlink is the way and way more efficient ...
20:13 < rxr> well, now I tell you want t2 has all ahead ... wondering when I see patches in submaster ...
20:13 < netrunner> rxr: does this need to be activated? is there a paper about it somewhere?
20:14 < rxr> though just using t2 woudl save you lots of time ...
20:14 < rxr> well - not much paper - jsut some competent people following the development of the open source world ...
20:14 < netrunner> rxr: I don't like the t2 development model
20:14 < rxr> disabling goes thru echo "" > /proc/.../hotplug
20:14 * rxr heh - me falling from the chair laughing ...
20:14 < rxr> have fun then
20:15 * rxr back to paper work ...
20:15 < netrunner> well, you see yourself you often have a broken head ...
20:15 < rxr> netrunner: excuse me ?
20:16 < karasz> 0.0
20:16 < valentin> netrunner: that is why we have development and stable tree
20:16 < karasz> head is supposed to breack now and then
20:16 < karasz> after all if nor iy would be `stable`
20:16 < rxr> netrunner: broken t2 trunk:HEAD ?
20:16 < rxr> barely ...
20:16 < valentin> HEAD may be messed up sometimes, but the more of us use head, the faster stuff is fixed
20:16 < karasz> don't you think?
20:17 < netrunner> valentin: well, stable trees don't get updated often enough :)
20:17 < rxr> hehe - how rock is messed up with each submaster bomb flush .. hitting svn ...
20:17 < netrunner> with rock head, I can be sure it builds and it has all latest stuf in.
20:17 < rxr> netrunner: lol ...
20:17 < valentin> mnemoc makes a good job maintaining 2.1
20:17 < rxr> that is the joke of the year ...
20:17 < netrunner> hey, stop it please, I am not here to discuss dick lengths.
20:17 < rxr> netrunner: on rock even trunk is outdated, btw
20:17 < owl> .oO( you love each other )
20:17 < valentin> rxr, netrunner: i think it does not make much sense to start a flamewar here
20:17 < rxr> netrunner: you came to that conclusion yourself at CCC ...
20:18 < netrunner> rxr: this discussion is useless.
20:18 < rxr> valentin: I just relax ...
20:18 < rxr> in fact I find that quite entertaining ...
20:18 < rxr> good jokes are always welcome to make my evening ..
20:18 < valentin> whoever wants to stick with submaster, go for it.
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20:19 * rxr wonders where mnemoc is hiding ...
20:19 < valentin> rxr: gone voting, i guess
20:19 < rxr> ah - damn guess gone counting voes, right ?
20:19 < rxr> forgot about that duty ...
20:20 < valentin> yep
20:20 < rxr> netrunner: in fact I wonder why rock is not more closely monitoring T2, you could save a lot of work pasting nearly ever T2 revision ...
20:20 < valentin> rxr: you want that ?
20:21 < netrunner> valentin: he can't avoid that :)
20:21 < rxr> it is GPL after all - if they do not mess the t2 copyright line they are fine doing so ...
20:21 < rxr> but I guess they do not want to admit that T2 is more than Intel's tiny leap ahead ...
20:21 < valentin> rxr: i think adding 7000+ patches would kill sm
20:22 < netrunner> rxr: you mean like you, removing all the rock copyright tags?
20:22 < valentin> netrunner: he never did
20:22 < netrunner> valentin: ah, right, I overread it :)
20:22 < valentin> the copyright note of the old stuff is still there (C) by Rocklinux
20:23 < rxr> netrunner: all files originated from ROCK that carried that note still have the Copyright ROCK Linxu project ... jadda jadda line ...
20:23 < rxr> not to forget I was repsonsible for 1/2 of the ROCK code base ...
20:24 < netrunner> rxr: and for splitting the rock community
20:24 < rxr> netrunner: if I would not have done 1.7-2.0 rock would be long dead
20:24 < valentin> netrunner : the rock community is still the old one
20:24 < rxr> clifford alone manged to drive users and developers away for a loooong time
20:24 < valentin> i.e. vienna and ingolstadt
20:25 < rxr> and when dRock merged it was more popular and stable then the never ending and never released 1.6 cycle ...
20:25 < rxr> I can nip on the tea chatting about that kind of history since lived it ...
20:26 < netrunner> valentin: well, I miss contact to the people that now only are at t2.
20:26 < valentin> netrunner: www.frappr.com/t2
20:26 < valentin> besides mnemoc and me, who is there still ?
20:26 < rxr> netrunner: guess if more than I left it had a reason
20:26 < valentin> ah jsaw i forgot
20:27 < rxr> and you should remeber the details as well
20:27 < rxr> though you are free to hang around here as well ...
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20:28 < netrunner> valentin: you mean at rock?
20:29 < netrunner> rxr: I did not understand your comment about the congress. ..
20:29 < valentin> netrunner: i think he refers to your bof
20:29 < valentin> "dealing with a massively outdated trunk"
20:30 < Baldzius> ^^ - that's why i've switched to t2
20:31 < rxr> though t2 has more goodies than up-to-dateness ..
20:31 < Baldzius> hi netrunner :)
20:31 < Baldzius> yes , livecd target also
20:31 < netrunner> rxr: it has no package split. or has that changed by now?
20:31 < netrunner> hi Baldzius
20:31 < rxr> netrunner: heh - no #ifdef for us ...
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20:31 < valentin> and concerning HEAD vs. stable, the delay between updates is at most 4 weeks, that is less than some submaster patches take.
20:31 < rxr> netrunner: in package build e.g. for 3rd party kernel modules? has htat changed at rock?
20:31 < netrunner> rxr: so how do you keep out documentation and development stuff from systems that don't need it?
20:32 < rxr> netrunner: you are loosing this
20:32 < valentin> netrunner: we have more fine grained package config mechanisms
20:32 < rxr> netrunner: this is not interesting to handle on a package ganularity
20:32 < netrunner> rxr: I am not fighting, I cannot loose :P
20:32 < rxr> livecd and embedded stuff will just not include it into the image ...
20:32 < rxr> netrunner: but say, do you have sophisticated cross support?
20:32 < rxr> netrunner: C++ cross support ?
20:33 < netrunner> rxr: I don't know, I don't need it.
20:33 < rxr> netrunner: target image processing
20:33 < rxr> netrunner: seperated boot code ?
20:33 < rxr> netrunner: modular X ?
20:33 < rxr> ...
20:33 < rxr> ..
20:33 < rxr> netrunner: ok - I focus on uni work then ...
20:33 < valentin> rxr: our develpment model sucks, so...
20:33 < _Ragnar_> honestly, the package splitting was a reason for me to move away from rock
20:34 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ACK - first thing reverted ... after the fork *g*
20:34 < netrunner> _Ragnar_: well, you don't need to use it :)
20:34 < rxr> netrunner: btw. our mine handles vanilla tar* packages and does not crash that often
20:34 < rxr> netrunner: you might want to pull the patches ...
20:34 < _Ragnar_> theoretically .... in practice it adds unneeded complexity
20:34 < rxr> netrunner: at least the segfault fixes ...
20:34 < rxr> just a thought
20:35 < rxr> netrunner: not to mention that your x86-64 support is lacking ...
20:35 < valentin> me in the background now, i find this flaming here to boring
20:35 < rxr> netrunner: and I do not need to mention ppc64, mips64 among others ...
20:36 < rxr> cu all
20:38 < netrunner> valentin: you could /ignore rxr :)
20:39 < netrunner> valentin: the problem with rxr is, that he always explodes if you touch one of his sensitive topics.
20:40 < valentin> he does a hell of a good work anyway.
20:40 < valentin> and yes, ranting about sm vs. svn is a very sensitive topic - one of those which caused the fork.
20:40 < netrunner> valentin: most geniouses are like that :)
20:41 < valentin> btw: most ppl here prefer open HEAD over sm
20:41 < netrunner> valentin: this character trait is one of the main things that keeps me from switching.
20:41 < valentin> netrunner: fake and clifford are not much better ...
20:42 < valentin> and btw, since the fork rxr is much calmer than ever since rock 2.0
20:43 < _Ragnar_> indeed
20:43 < _Ragnar_> much more productive too =)
20:44 < Baldzius> :))
20:44 < valentin> netrunner: somehow you managed to light his fuse again ;)
20:44 < karasz> ok guys
20:44 < karasz> have to hit tha sack
20:44 < karasz> Baldzius, ;)
20:44 < karasz> valentin
20:44 < valentin> karasz
20:45 < Baldzius> ?
20:46 < karasz> nothing, i was just kinda hello/bye greeting
20:46 < Baldzius> :)
20:46 < karasz> made in the english mode
20:46 < Baldzius> go with peace karasz :)
20:46 < valentin> karasz: i get a similar message with kmail, when i tunnel imap via ssh and the ssh connection dies
20:49 < karasz> valentin, that's not it
20:50 < karasz> it is a folder missundrestanding
20:50 < karasz> i solved it in the mean time
20:50 < valentin> :)
20:50 < karasz> the old `diy` method
20:53 < rxr> 20:40 < netrunner> valentin: most geniouses are like that :)
20:53 < rxr> ?
20:54 < rxr> flamewar where?
20:55 < rxr> just some arguments while nipping on a good tea is quite relaxing ..
20:55 < valentin> nowhere, just a misunderstanding ;)
20:55 < rxr> well /me just not falls into the "submaster geniouses" definition ...
20:56 < valentin> what is a submaster genius ?
20:56 < karasz> back for just 1 question
20:56 < rxr> 20:40 < netrunner> valentin: most geniouses are like that :)
20:56 < karasz> is it normal to have /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 in the same time?
20:56 < rxr> oh
20:56 < rxr> I read liek it ...
20:56 < rxr> heh
20:56 < valentin> rxr: yes, but what is a submaster genius ?
20:56 < karasz> /usr/lib is not symlink to /usr/lib64
20:57 < valentin> is this some kind of sm contributor rating ?
20:57 < rxr> valentin: no - I just misread netunners line in scrollback
20:57 < rxr> karasz: lib sould not be symlinked into lib64
20:57 < rxr> they are seperated intentionally ...
20:58 < karasz> i feared that
20:58 < rxr> ah
20:58 < rxr> yes it is normal on biarch systems to have lib and lib64 ...
20:58 < rxr> that is ppc64, sparc64, x86-64 and so on
20:58 < rxr> not alpha
20:58 < rxr> and only sometimes ia64
20:58 < rxr> karasz: why do you ask ?
20:59 < karasz> i had some problems with kmail
20:59 < rxr> karasz: what t2 version and architecture ?
20:59 < karasz> i almost moved files from lib to lib64
20:59 < karasz> 2.1 stable
20:59 < karasz> x86-64
20:59 < rxr> hm
21:00 < rxr> desktop ?
21:00 < karasz> i managed to move some files from lib to lib64
21:00 < karasz> yes
21:00 < rxr> karasz: I think this i before I fixed KDE for lib64
21:00 < karasz> seems like that resolved my kmail problem because now it is workin...
21:00 < rxr> do you have /opt/kde3/lib ?
21:00 < karasz> yep
21:00 < rxr> is it empty
21:00 < rxr> ?
21:00 < karasz> minute
21:00 < rxr> or was it empty before you moved stuf there ?
21:01 < karasz> so
21:01 < karasz> /opt/kde3/lib was empty
21:01 < rxr> and now ?
21:01 < karasz> i made it to sumplinc /opt/kde3/lib64
21:01 < rxr> ah -ok
21:01 < rxr> symlink is fine
21:01 < karasz> kde won't even start before that
21:01 < rxr> and in fact works around a kde config problem
21:02 < rxr> I fixed this in trunk last week or so
21:02 < karasz> but i was talkin' abt /usr/lib and /usr/lib64
21:02 < rxr> need to merge that and a openssl fix into stable for the last release
21:02 < rxr> karasz: no - leave those as they where ...
21:02 < karasz> ok
21:02 < karasz> btw
21:02 < rxr> for kde without the real fix (which requires rebuildign anyway) just /opt/kde3/ symlink is fine
21:03 < karasz> lzo package seems to be broken..
21:03 < rxr> why ?
21:03 < karasz> i mean it builds fine but pack which depend on it break on build
21:03 < rxr> fails in stage 0 =
21:03 < rxr> hm
21:04 < rxr> worked so far here
21:04 < karasz> last time an Emerge -force lzo (after addin FPIC-QUIRK) solved
21:04 < rxr> well - I have to sleep now - to finish uni stuff in the early early morning
21:04 < karasz> the problem
21:04 < karasz> cu rxr
21:04 < rxr> karasz: ah FPIC-QUIRK that might be
21:04 < rxr> karasz: still needed ?
21:04 < valentin> sleep well rxr
21:04 < karasz> i can fix that for my system but i thought that i should tell someone
21:05 < rxr> valentin: I'll try to have some nice submaster dreams ...
21:05 < rxr> karasz: so FPIC-QUIRK still needed for lzo ?
21:06 < karasz> i will check and give an answer tomorow
21:06 < valentin> rxr stop joking about theese poor people...
21:06 < karasz> but as i remember yes
21:06 < rxr> valentin: you are so right
21:07 < rxr> valentin: I light one of susan's candles for those
21:07 < rxr> karasz: ouhm - editor already open ..
21:08 < rxr> karasz: what failed ? lzop ?
21:08 < karasz> minute
21:08 < karasz> nope
21:08 < karasz> gnutls fails because lzo is not fPIC
21:09 < karasz> /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/3.4.4/../../../../x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /usr/lib64/liblzo.a(lzo_init.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
21:09 < karasz> /usr/lib64/liblzo.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
21:09 < rxr> karasz: ok
21:10 < karasz> and while we are on the topic
21:10 < CIA-8> rene * r14839 /trunk/package/archiver/lzo/lzo.desc:
21:10 < CIA-8> Nagy Karoly Gabriel
21:10 < CIA-8> * marked lzo FPIC-QUIRK, as needed (x86-64)
21:10 < karasz> someone should check mozilla download
21:10 < rxr> karasz: ! I wanted to bed ...
21:10 < rxr> karasz: oum
21:10 < karasz> sorry
21:10 < rxr> tomorrow ...
21:10 < karasz> ;)
21:10 < rxr> heh
21:10 < rxr> n8 all
21:10 < rxr> netrunner: too - have nice dreams ...
21:10 < karasz> sleep well rxr
21:10 < rxr> ... from a better World ...
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21:53 < martin_tfh> oh, gn8 rxr
21:53 < martin_tfh> and gn8 all. i will sleep, too
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23:46 < CIA-8> aldas * r14840 /trunk/package/kde/amarok/amarok.desc: * updated amarok (1.3.7 -> 1.3.8)
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