--- Log opened Sun Feb 05 00:00:28 2006 00:21 < CIA-9> aldas * r15294 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnomebaker/gnomebaker.desc: * updated gnomebaker (0.5.0 -> 0.5.1) 00:22 < CIA-9> aldas * r15295 /trunk/package/network/ipsec-tools/ (ipsec-tools.conf ipsec-tools.desc): * updated ipsec-tools (0.6.4 -> 0.6.5) 00:47 < Baldzius> jsaw: libdvdread breaks gst-plugins, do something :) 00:52 < Baldzius> me in bed, gn8 00:53 < morfoh> gn8 update and gun master Baldzius .... :) 00:53 < morfoh> Baldzius: sleep well ;) 00:54 < Baldzius> thanks morfoh :) 01:10 < LMJ> evening 01:12 < morfoh> bonsoir serwou ;) 01:12 < LMJ> what's up morfoh ;) 01:13 < morfoh> I'm "up" because there is a party going on in the flat beneath :p 01:13 < morfoh> it's that loud, like I'd listening music in my room 01:13 < LMJ> lmao 01:13 < morfoh> but the differenc ei, that I don't listen techno 01:14 < LMJ> i'm back from a concert ; 01:14 < morfoh> oh! what kind of consert ? ;) 01:14 < morfoh> concert 01:15 < morfoh> techno ? :p 01:15 < LMJ> no 01:15 < LMJ> an old school dream ;) 01:15 < LMJ> english pop ;) 01:16 < morfoh> uhhhh! what band ? 01:16 < LMJ> Oasis :-p 01:16 < morfoh> arrrrrgggg :p 01:17 < LMJ> I know ;) 01:17 < LMJ> still under heavy drugs 01:17 < morfoh> LMJ: dunno what they are doing or not ;) 01:18 < morfoh> I'm in no way a pop fan, but I hope you enjoyed the concert :) 01:19 < LMJ> i'm not 01:21 < LMJ> but they are a part of my infancy, and i heard they come to my city, so i grad a ticker 01:21 < morfoh> why ? 01:21 < morfoh> ok ;) 01:23 < LMJ> and you, what kind of techno is it ? tech, hard-tech, trance, goa, jungle, drm-n bass, acid, electronica, hardcore ? ;) 01:26 < morfoh> LMJ: it doesn't matter what style ... atm it's more hardcore ... what matters is, that it is loud :p 01:30 < morfoh> I think the "Unstable Serial Bus" really deserves his name on 2.6.11.12 :( 01:31 < morfoh> even my mouse changing the acceleration speed ... one time it's lightning fast ... the other time dog slow 01:32 < LMJ> hehe 01:32 < LMJ> enjoy 01:32 < morfoh> and I forget to mention the IO errors I get for my external HD :/ 01:32 < morfoh> LMJ: thanks my friend :p 01:35 -!- valentin_ [n=valentin@port-212-202-41-129.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2 01:38 -!- valentin [n=valentin@port-212-202-42-30.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:38 < morfoh> .oO( seems that the rat doesn't like the techno sound too ... guess I have to give him some devotion )o 02:23 -!- valentin [n=valentin@port-212-202-170-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2 02:27 -!- valentin_ [n=valentin@port-212-202-41-129.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:03 -!- sparc-kly [n=G3@64.237.243.63] has joined #t2 03:06 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=G3@64.237.248.61] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:07 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has joined #t2 03:07 < madtux> hi. 03:15 < mnemoc> hi 03:25 < morfoh> madtux: hi pyromaniac 03:26 < madtux> hey there my friends :) 03:27 < morfoh> madtux: how much cost a rica = :p 03:27 * morfoh hides 03:28 -!- valentin_ [n=valentin@port-212-202-170-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2 03:28 < morfoh> madtux: how you doing these days ? ;) 03:29 < morfoh> damn ... now the f* people downstairs starting to sing ... it's even worser than this f* techno music 03:30 -!- valentin [n=valentin@port-212-202-170-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 111 (Connection refused)] 03:32 < morfoh> madness ... they are drunken ... I can hear and smell it :p 03:35 < madtux> there is already alcohol in the air... light up a match and drop it downstairs... 03:36 < madtux> :) 03:36 < morfoh> madtux: that kind of hint I expected from you :p 03:36 < madtux> what are friends for? 03:36 < madtux> :) 03:36 < morfoh> ack :) 03:36 < morfoh> to burn :p 03:37 < morfoh> nah! ... just kidding :) 03:37 < madtux> BURN BURN BURN 03:37 < morfoh> HOLLYWOOD BURN 03:37 < madtux> i promisse the singing will stop 03:37 < morfoh> I believe in your experience :) 03:38 < madtux> yeah... my neightboors have not messed with me for years 03:38 < morfoh> good to know that your "meassures" are quite succesful 03:39 < madtux> :) 03:39 < madtux> do u have any suggestion for a simple and easy blog ? i don't want any heavy fancy php + mysql thing 03:40 < madtux> all i want is to make a page to write stupidities from time to time 03:40 < madtux> pics and articles of my pyro sucesses 03:40 < madtux> to share with friends 03:40 < madtux> :) 03:40 < morfoh> :) 03:41 < madtux> mm... my blog ... perl... 03:41 < morfoh> perhaps you should hackup a small script generating some static html and publish it with gatling ... :) 03:41 < morfoh> using a simple markup language 03:42 < madtux> morfoh, in fact i feel temptated to create tex files for my "articles" and just generate the html with latex2html 03:42 < morfoh> http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/ <-- perhaps ? 03:43 < madtux> checking it out... if i am not happy with anything in the next hour i think i will just write my own thing 03:45 < madtux> mm.... this asciidoc thingy is kind of what i am looking for.. 03:45 < madtux> thanks man :) 03:46 < morfoh> madtux: hehe ... I like it too ;) 03:46 < madtux> i will still write my own thing.. but mean while i will stick to it 03:46 < madtux> do u use it? 03:47 < morfoh> yes ... atm. for internal documentation ... and generating various output formats 03:48 < morfoh> ok ... senores & senoritas ... I think I'll take a short nap ... :) 03:49 < madtux> burn them first 03:49 < madtux> :) 03:49 < madtux> night buddy... i will be up late tonight if u feel like chatting or something 03:50 < morfoh> hmmm ... first I'll try to sleep, if I was not able to sleep within 1h I'll burn them :p 03:50 < morfoh> madtux: cu ... :) 03:52 < morfoh> bye bye ... :) 03:54 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEF420.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 04:47 < mnemoc> gn8 * 07:05 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.18] has joined #t2 07:05 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.94] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 07:07 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 10:04 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178162052.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 10:04 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 10:04 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Jan 14 21:42:03 2006] 10:04 [Users #t2] 10:04 [@ChanServ] [ jsaw ] [ madtux] [ owl ] [ sepp ] [ _Ragnar_] 10:04 [ Baldzius] [ karasz] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] 10:04 [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] [ valentin_] 10:04 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 10:04 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 10:05 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 41 secs 10:14 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:19 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178141134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:50 < rxr_> re 10:51 -!- You're now known as rxr 10:55 < sepp> hi rxr 10:58 < rxr> hi sepp 11:00 < sepp> do you have something like usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so with modular xorg? 11:01 < owl> moin 11:02 < sepp> moin owl 11:02 < rxr> no, not on my laptop 11:02 < rxr> which might not have all input modules installed 11:03 < owl> hi sepp , rxr 11:03 < sepp> looks like i disabled too much xorg noise :) 11:04 < CIA-9> rene * r15296 /trunk/package/python/python/libdir-from-configure.patch: 11:04 < CIA-9> * fixed python to take {bin,lib}dir from configure and thus fixed it 11:04 < CIA-9> for lib64 architectures 11:04 < rxr> hm? 11:05 < sepp> all these really usefull little x apps and drivers i will never use 11:08 < rxr> ah - xedit ... 11:20 < CIA-9> rene * r15297 /trunk/package/base/ (linux26/disable-broken.lst linux26mm/disable-broken.lst): 11:20 < CIA-9> * marked EEPRO driver to be disabled, since obsolete and replaced 11:20 < CIA-9> by the e100 driver, do not have it arround and thus not load it 11:20 < CIA-9> accidently on matching IDs .. 11:26 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AFB005.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 11:43 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AFCEC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:44 < CIA-9> aldas * r15298 /trunk/package/gnome2/bluefish/ (bluefish.conf bluefish.desc shared-mime-files.patch): * updated bluefish (1.0.4 -> 1.0.5) 11:46 < Baldzius> moin 11:48 < rxr> re 11:48 < rxr> moin Baldzius 11:48 < Baldzius> hi rxr 11:49 < rxr> mnemoc: i think your problem is mostl probably due udev 11:49 < rxr> mnemoc: booted your iso in qemu ... 12:00 < rxr> mnemoc: misl: for the new t2 handbook we will most likely need java for the .pdf processing ... 12:13 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEF420.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 12:13 < morfoh> moin 12:24 < Baldzius> hi morfoh 12:32 < rxr> mon morfoh 12:48 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.96.178] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:49 < morfoh> moin Baldzius 12:49 < morfoh> moin rxr 12:50 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.96.201] has joined #t2 13:00 < morfoh> moin Baldzius :) 13:01 < Baldzius> :) 13:32 * morfoh is burning his new mnemosyne CD for the desktop :) 13:34 < morfoh> rxr: btw, did you checked mnemoc's mnemosyne test ISO for 2.2 ? 13:36 * morfoh is rebooting and installing the new system ... bbl ;) 13:36 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEF420.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 14:19 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.133.190.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 14:21 < mnemoc> moin! 14:21 < CIA-9> aldas * r15299 /trunk/package/scientific/octave-forge/octave-forge.desc: * updated octave-forge (2005.06.13 -> 2006.01.28) 14:22 < mnemoc> rxr: did stage2 load for you? (it didn't for morfoh) 14:22 < CIA-9> aldas * r15300 /trunk/package/scientific/graphviz/graphviz.desc: * updated graphviz (2.6 -> 2.8) 14:22 < Baldzius> moin mnemoc 14:23 < mnemoc> moin Baldzius 14:23 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - no /dev/cdrom 14:23 < rxr> mnemoc: did you have a /dev/cdrom ? 14:23 < rxr> it must be a problem with the recent udev ... 14:24 < rxr> mnemoc: what was your stage2 problem ? 14:24 < mnemoc> morfoh is out :) 14:24 < mnemoc> i didn't have /dev/tty either 14:25 < rxr> let me restart qemu 14:27 < rxr> hm - dev/tty is here in qemu 14:27 < mnemoc> kiss screamed about that here 14:27 < rxr> hm 14:28 < rxr> at what point_ 14:28 < rxr> ? 14:28 < rxr> just 6: debug kiss shell ? 14:28 < mnemoc> yes 14:28 < mnemoc> it greet me with that scream :) 14:29 < rxr> just on debug shell? or already earlier ? 14:30 < mnemoc> just on debug shell 14:30 < rxr> ah there 14:30 < rxr> yes, that is harmless 14:30 < mnemoc> earlier i get an 'automatic' [0] with no device found; no device detected 14:30 < mnemoc> and manual [0] gives the same 14:31 < rxr> mnemoc: yes, no cdrom links aroun 14:31 < rxr> d 14:31 < rxr> due udev whatever 14:31 < rxr> ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom 14:31 < rxr> cures it for a test 14:32 * mnemoc miss devfs :( 14:32 < rxr> mnemoc: before other people bumped udev versions claimed to be tested udev worked for me .. 14:32 < rxr> mnemoc: with a devfs kernel you could also miss nodes or get strange ones but then you had to start debugging in the kernel 14:32 < rxr> in fact I have two mainboards where devfs causes very strage ide nodes ... 14:33 < mnemoc> :) 14:33 < rxr> like skipping host1 resulting in host0 host2 and the other one was even strange random swappong of primary vs. secondary or so ... 14:33 < rxr> notheless - I'll take a look what is up with that udev 14:34 < mnemoc> thanks 14:34 < rxr> any other problem when you symlink and thus get into the shell after stage2 loading ? 14:36 < mnemoc> let me test 14:38 < mnemoc> can udev make less overpopulated /dev-s ? 14:40 < rxr> sure 14:40 < rxr> just supply the rules for it 14:40 < rxr> I'm also happy to change the default rules to be less populated by default 14:40 < rxr> e.g. more devfs 14:41 < rxr> what udev did you exactly built into the iso ?= 14:41 < mnemoc> 083 14:44 < mnemoc> "unable to load NLS charset iso8859-1" <--- before loading 2nd_stage 14:44 < mnemoc> and during 14:45 < rxr> hm 14:46 < mnemoc> .oO( from mount -t $joliet? )o 14:46 < rxr> udev 083 does not even build here 14:46 < mnemoc> o_O 14:47 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.133.190.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 14:47 < mnemoc> moving pty and tty deeper in /dev would clean it a lot 14:47 < sepp> re 14:47 < mnemoc> wb sepp 14:48 < sepp> hi mnemoc :) 14:48 < CIA-9> aldas * r15301 /trunk/package/network/socat/socat.desc: * updated socat (1.4.3.0 -> 1.4.3.1) 14:48 < rxr> what? 14:49 < rxr> on ppc64 this udev builds and on x86-64 not? 14:52 < CIA-9> sebastian * r15302 /trunk/package/x11/linuxwacom/ (linuxwacom.conf linuxwacom.desc xorg-7.patch): 14:52 < CIA-9> * updated linuxwacom (0.7.0 -> 0.7.2) 14:52 < CIA-9> * build the wacom xinput driver - modular xorg no longer has a own driver 14:52 < mnemoc> [ ] udev-083.tar.bz2 26-Jan-2006 20:00 191K 14:52 < mnemoc> [ ] udev-084.tar.bz2 30-Jan-2006 04:13 186K 14:52 < mnemoc> .oO 14:54 < rxr> I think that is the version with udevstart removed 14:55 < rxr> please do your heart a favour and stay away from udev hackery ... 14:56 < Baldzius> :) 14:57 < mnemoc> :) 14:57 < mnemoc> i'll follow your advice 14:58 * sepp repaired damn power supply with a hammer :) 14:58 < mnemoc> o_O 14:59 < sepp> now it no longer fails 15:00 < mnemoc> female power supplies 15:00 < sepp> power supply is female? 15:01 < mnemoc> yours 15:01 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.96.201] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:01 < sepp> no, after contact with a hammer its really dead and replaced 15:02 < mnemoc> but, yes... in spanish they are 'she' :) 15:02 < mnemoc> hehe 15:02 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=G3@64.237.253.75] has joined #t2 15:06 < rxr> hm - parallel issue ? 15:07 < mnemoc> udev? 15:08 < rxr> hm - or ccache? 15:09 < rxr> at least restarting te build manaully helped ... 15:09 -!- sparc-kly [n=G3@64.237.243.63] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:12 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFD171.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 15:13 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.98.10] has joined #t2 15:15 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.133.190.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:15 < rxr> huh!" 15:15 < rxr> now it built 15:15 < rxr> damned buildsystem junk some people solder together 15:16 < rxr> mnemoc: I can reproduce missing /dev/cdrom on my laptop 15:16 < rxr> we should start creating really sane rules and setup a regression testsuite for udev on the way 15:16 < rxr> and if the udev people continue to piss on the world^W^W^Wannoy us udev++ is faster there than they can speak out "udev junk" 15:18 < mnemoc> ack 15:22 < nzg> moin 15:26 < rxr> hm 15:26 < rxr> udevtest claims it would create a symlink for hdc -> cdrom 15:26 < rxr> and why the hell doesn't the udev working horse does this 15:26 < rxr> my - doomed C rap code ... 15:33 < mnemoc> :) 15:41 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=G3@64.237.253.75] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:48 < rxr> so 15:48 * rxr back doing some archiv. work ... 15:49 < rxr> mnemoc: I continue to investigate the udev regression thereager 15:49 < rxr> thereafter 15:49 < rxr> you should have a fix in trunk when you come back from the party 15:49 < mnemoc> thanks :) 15:50 < rxr> thanks for testing trunk -,) 15:50 < mnemoc> np :) 15:50 < rxr> valentin_: btw. comments to gsmp -> exact-sound rename 15:50 < rxr> ? 16:35 < mnemoc> woh! terry mackintosh returned to RL 16:53 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFD171.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:21 < rxr> the islander? 17:21 < rxr> maybe he has more fun with t2 ? 17:30 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEDCE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 17:30 < morfoh> re hi :\ 17:30 < LMJ> hello morfoh 17:30 < morfoh> hi LMJ 17:30 < LMJ> s'up dude ? 17:32 < morfoh> LMJ: dude ... at least my PC is up and running again ... I was fighting with the board 17:32 < LMJ> what happend ? 17:32 < morfoh> I installed a new mnemosyne 17:32 < morfoh> but that was not the problem 17:33 < morfoh> too much cards in the f* PC 17:34 < morfoh> and even my rock solid 3Com 905 NIC wasn't functioning ... 17:36 < morfoh> normally my plan was to "fight" with my Dual-Xeon machine today ... but now I'm "hanging" on the f* old athlon 17:37 < CIA-9> rene * r15303 /trunk/package/x86/dmidecode/ (. dmidecode.cache dmidecode.desc): * added dmidecode (2.8) - Reports BIOS information according to the SMBIOS/DMI standard 17:37 < LMJ> Dual-Xeon :-/ 17:38 < morfoh> LMJ: why :\ ? 17:38 < LMJ> you just bough them ? 17:38 < CIA-9> rene * r15304 /trunk/misc/archive/iso2stick.sh: * added proof of concept ISO 2 USB stick converter 17:39 < morfoh> nah! It's an "old" machine 17:39 < LMJ> ha 17:46 < morfoh> .oO( damn ... why is the external HD that slow again ? )o 17:46 < LMJ> .oO( damn ... why stoped work correctly ? )Oo 17:46 < LMJ> FUCK 17:48 < morfoh> I think I've to reboot again :( 17:48 < morfoh> bbl ... :( 17:48 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEDCE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #t2 [] 17:49 < CIA-9> rene * r15305 /trunk/package/base/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * fixed a typo in the usb*xchange code 18:21 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEFE08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 18:21 < morfoh> rehi 18:23 < morfoh> rxr: btw, do you have an old "tonband geraet" ? 18:25 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEFE08.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:32 < rxr> re 18:32 < rxr> morfoh: a normal tape analog tape, yes - and at my father a refox 19" or so tape as well ... 18:36 < rxr> revox even 18:46 < rxr> http://www.reeltoreel.de/worldwide/B77.htm 18:46 < rxr> ^- something like that 19:09 < rxr> jsaw: are you around for some udev discussion 19:09 < rxr> jsaw: I find the disks by id and path and so on extremely annoying 19:09 < rxr> /dev/'disk/by-id/ata-HL-DT-ST_DVD-RW_GCA-4080N_K5B0BD14735 19:09 < rxr> /dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:14.1-ide-1:0 19:09 < rxr> pure crap 19:09 < rxr> jsaw: I would remove those 19:10 < rxr> as I woudl the various cdrw recorder whatsoever duplicants 19:10 < rxr> this udev noisy is barely useful ... 19:10 * rxr back to dinner 19:10 < rxr> would be nice if you could drop a note about those ... 19:13 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:13 < misl> hi folks 19:28 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEFE86.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 19:28 < morfoh> rehi :/ 19:36 < misl> hi morfoh 19:37 < misl> morfoh: again pretty close timing. only 15 minutes difference in joining :) 19:39 < morfoh> hi misl ;) 19:48 < morfoh> does somebody has a msdos boot floppy image ? 19:49 < LMJ> morfoh : google for it 19:49 < LMJ> you will find some 19:50 < morfoh> LMJ: thanks ... but I found one already ;) 20:27 * morfoh flashing the bios ... bbl ... 20:27 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEFE86.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 20:38 < CIA-9> aldas * r15306 /trunk/package/mail/dbmail/dbmail.desc: * updated dbmail (2.0.7 -> 2.0.8) 20:45 -!- sparc-kly [n=G3@64.237.253.75] has joined #t2 20:53 < jsaw> rxr: we have to do a lot to clean up udev rules (by path-id etc included). I think the first step should be to tear it into pieces. 20:53 < jsaw> rxr: there are way too many (and on our system unneeded) backwards compat stuff in the readhat rules 20:54 < jsaw> hehe 20:54 < jsaw> redhat* 20:56 < rxr> re 20:58 < jsaw> rxr: is it correct that the boot image does not have grep? 20:58 < rxr> hm 20:59 < jsaw> rxr: (there's a grep for http/ftp installation 20:59 < jsaw> only 20:59 < rxr> yes 20:59 < rxr> hm 20:59 < rxr> then I forgot to add it 20:59 < jsaw> o.O 20:59 < jsaw> ah, ok 20:59 < rxr> but the grep could be replaced with sed anyway 20:59 < rxr> sed -n //p ... 21:00 < jsaw> I wanted to use it for "grep /sys/*/*/removable 21:00 < jsaw> " 21:00 < jsaw> grep 1 * 21:00 < rxr> I used a bash loop in the new archivista code 21:00 < rxr> + for x in /sys/block/*/removable ; do 21:00 < rxr> + [ `cat $x` = 1 ] || continue 21:01 < jsaw> rxr: could you please check some bootdisk and verify if you have /dev/{cdrom,floppy} links? 21:01 < jsaw> ah, ok 21:01 < jsaw> nice 21:01 < rxr> jsaw: last week I had 21:01 < rxr> with mnemoc I do not have 21:01 < rxr> because of latest udev buggyness 21:01 < jsaw> actually I thought, there 21:01 < rxr> udevtest for /block/hdc tells me it would create the symlink 21:01 < rxr> but neither udevstart nor udevd does create it ... 21:01 < jsaw> yes 21:01 < jsaw> right 21:02 < jsaw> that's what I observed but was not sure 21:02 < rxr> udevtest /block/hdc 21:02 < rxr> create_node: creating symlink '/dev/cdrom' to 'hdc' 21:02 < rxr> create_node: creating symlink '/dev/dvd' to 'hdc' 21:02 < jsaw> but that needs the rules 21:02 < jsaw> we don't have 'em on install disk, or? 21:02 < rxr> # rm -rd /dev/cd* 21:03 < rxr> # udevstart 21:03 < rxr> # l /dev/cd* 21:03 < rxr> ls: /dev/cd*: No such file or directory 21:03 < rxr> # echo 1 > /sys/block/hdc/uevent 21:03 < rxr> # l /dev/cd* 21:03 < rxr> ls: /dev/cd*: No such file or directory 21:03 < rxr> how broken is that 21:03 < rxr> crap ever changing C code ... 21:03 < jsaw> do you have my new rules??? 21:04 < jsaw> rxr: it's mostly redhat rules brokenness 21:04 < rxr> I reemerged today for testing 21:04 < jsaw> and cdrom_id ? 21:04 < rxr> hm ? 21:04 < jsaw> what does /sbin/cdrom_id /dev/hdc tell you? 21:04 < rxr> # /sbin/cdrom_id /dev/hdc 21:04 < rxr> ID_CDROM=1 21:04 < rxr> ID_CDROM_CD_R=1 21:04 < rxr> ID_CDROM_CD_RW=1 21:04 < rxr> ID_CDROM_DVD=1 21:04 < rxr> ID_CDROM_DVD_R=1 21:04 < rxr> ID_CDROM_MRW=1 21:04 < rxr> ID_CDROM_MRW_W=1 21:04 < rxr> ID_CDROM_RAM=1 21:05 < rxr> btw. I find this extremely awkward 21:05 < jsaw> hmmm. 21:05 < rxr> I neither want this complexity and I rather doubt it is of any use 21:05 < jsaw> ? 21:05 < rxr> I want a u/dev(++) create plain normal nodes not do articifican inteligence crap 21:05 < jsaw> with this, the rules are four line 21:05 < rxr> hal can give /media/ mountpoints meaningful names 21:06 < jsaw> ??? 21:06 < rxr> but totally messed up /dev if of no use for anyone 21:06 < jsaw> only dvd,cdrom link should be created 21:06 < rxr> jsaw: four line? 21:06 < jsaw> I commented cdrw etc out 21:06 < rxr> all nodes get kernel names and cdroms enumerated to /dev/cdrom%e 21:06 < rxr> thats all 21:06 < jsaw> KERNEL=="hd[a-z]", BUS=="ide", IMPORT{program}="/sbin/cdrom_id --export $tempnode" 21:06 < jsaw> KERNEL=="sr[0-9]", BUS=="scsi", IMPORT{program}="/sbin/cdrom_id --export $tempnode" 21:06 < jsaw> ENV{ID_CDROM}=="1", SYMLINK+="cdrom%e" 21:06 < jsaw> ENV{ID_CDROM_DVD}=="1", SYMLINK+="dvd%e" 21:06 < rxr> I know 21:06 < rxr> this sucks 21:07 < rxr> majorly 21:07 < jsaw> why? 21:07 < rxr> who need such names? and what for? 21:07 < jsaw> oh, you mean, you don't want the cdrom,dvd links at all? 21:07 < rxr> it just results in everyone hunting their devices nodes 21:07 < rxr> cdrom and dvd - but not the reminder 21:07 < jsaw> what reminder? 21:08 < rxr> cdrw cdrecorder dvdrw whatsoever ... 21:08 < jsaw> isn't done... o.O 21:08 < jsaw> we don't have them... O.O ???? 21:08 < rxr> O.O ? 21:08 < jsaw> I don't understand the point... 21:09 < jsaw> we only cread cdrom and dvd links with the 4 lines above 21:09 < jsaw> create* 21:09 < rxr> the point is all the floating udev rules in the internet suck - because they create a overly shuffled and messed up /dev 21:09 < jsaw> oh, that you mean 21:09 < rxr> and the recent by id stuff .. 21:09 < jsaw> yep, that's why I say we should split the rules... 21:09 < jsaw> then we can more easily find (simpler) solutions 21:09 < rxr> in disk I have a whole mess 21:10 < rxr> and I'm also unsure if /lib/udev is nice 21:10 < rxr> just annoying complexity to carry to initrds and such 21:10 < jsaw> actually we do not need /lib/udev 21:10 < rxr> or sbin 21:10 < rxr> sbin/cdrom_id 21:11 < jsaw> then tell me how you want to create a _simple_ rule, that also does the dvd link 21:11 < rxr> in fact I do not care a bit over the dvd link 21:12 < jsaw> don't get me wrong, cdrom_id can be done in a few lines of shell code! So we will definitely replace it! 21:12 < jsaw> rxr: I do 21:12 < rxr> maybe just use the helper for the dvd link - but create the cdrom with classic ways not requiring an external too 21:12 < rxr> l 21:12 < jsaw> I don't want to modify the configs of some applications on every installation 21:12 < rxr> jsaw: well, ok the dvd with external tool is ok - it is not needed for booting 21:13 < rxr> l /dev/ 21:13 < rxr> Display all 601 possibilities? (y or n) 21:13 < jsaw> l /dev |grep -v tty | grep -v pty|wc -l 21:13 < jsaw> 78 21:15 < rxr> hm - damn 21:15 < rxr> I wanted to paste a devfs comparision 21:15 < rxr> but gsmp has compat enabled for all 21:15 < rxr> l /dev/ 21:15 < rxr> Display all 1190 possibilities? (y or n) 21:15 < rxr> ah here we go: 21:16 < rxr> too few, bash completion displays them all: 21:16 < rxr> # l /dev/ | wc -l 21:16 < rxr> 57 21:16 < rxr> ^- _that was neat_ ,-)! 21:16 < jsaw> yeah 21:17 < jsaw> why don't we go with debians devfs naming rules? 21:17 < rxr> they use external tools? 21:17 < jsaw> lemma check 21:17 < rxr> well, let's not try to mimic devfs totally 21:17 < rxr> e.g. the /dev/sd /dev/hd and so on a too much linux standard 21:17 < rxr> they should be there 21:17 < rxr> but the rest most probably not 21:18 < jsaw> yes, they use external tools 21:18 < rxr> yes, disqualified 21:18 < rxr> but we do not need external tools 21:19 < rxr> e.g. I do not want /dev/ide and /dev/scsi back 21:19 < rxr> they are too non-standard 21:19 < rxr> just not the terminals and other insane stuff out of the root should be fine 21:19 < rxr> and less external tools as possible 21:19 < rxr> so far I see the need for the /dev/dvd tool and my dvb remaning script 21:20 < rxr> jsaw: I can safely remove the persistent by-name fluff from the buttom of our config ? 21:20 < jsaw> (not mine, redhat) 21:20 < jsaw> yes 21:20 < jsaw> even by-* 21:21 < rxr> jsaw: do you have a locally modified config ? 21:21 < jsaw> yep 21:22 < jsaw> but only slightly different from t2's 21:22 < rxr> hm 21:22 < rxr> do we need this modprobe $modalias ? 21:23 < jsaw> not sure 21:23 < jsaw> actually I think hotplug should handle it 21:23 < rxr> ..oO 21:23 < rxr> we have two hotplug++ rules 21:23 < jsaw> yep 21:24 < CIA-9> rene * r15307 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/50-udev.rules: 21:24 < CIA-9> * removed persistent naming junk from the redhat based udev rules we use 21:24 < CIA-9> and a second hotplug++ rule 21:28 < jsaw> the "sr[0-9]" to "scd[0-9]" naming convention is also a bit strange 21:28 < rxr> ack 21:28 < rxr> it is redhat compat junk 21:28 < rxr> let me tweak it 21:28 < jsaw> :) 21:29 < rxr> huh! 21:29 < rxr> there is KERNEL= 21:29 < jsaw> ? 21:29 < rxr> that will not work with latest udev, will it ? 21:29 < jsaw> line? 21:29 < rxr> dr 21:29 < rxr> err 21:29 < rxr> sr 21:29 < rxr> scd 21:29 < rxr> sg 21:30 < jsaw> ohoh 21:30 < jsaw> see also first line! 21:30 < jsaw> msr 21:30 < jsaw> cpu 21:31 < jsaw> I don't have these lines anymore locally, but those I stated -^ 21:31 < jsaw> only those* 21:31 < rxr> # rename sr* to scd* 21:31 < rxr> my oh my ... 21:33 < CIA-9> rene * r15308 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/50-udev.rules: 21:33 < CIA-9> * fixed some = vs == in the udev rules, removed some legacy redhat 21:33 < CIA-9> junk on the way 21:34 < rxr> jsaw: we could patch at least our kernel to export the cdrom media types to sysfs 21:34 < rxr> thus we would not need external tools at all 21:34 < CIA-9> jsaw * r15309 /trunk/package/develop/librep/ (4 files): 21:34 < CIA-9> * fix building of librep (64-bit) 21:34 < CIA-9> * copyright updates 21:36 < jsaw> rxr: isn't it contained in /proc/ide/hdc/identify ? 21:37 < rxr> no idea 21:37 < rxr> but proc is not sysfs anyway 21:39 < jsaw> I prefer this small helper tool... 21:39 < jsaw> over patching the kernel 21:43 < rxr> why do we have /dev/pts* 21:43 < rxr> they should be in /dev/pts ... 21:43 < rxr> pty even 21:48 < rxr> my - the rules are ugly 21:48 * rxr going to bed 21:48 < rxr> mnemoc: your cdrom issue is nto yet solved in hear 21:48 < rxr> head 21:48 < jsaw> rxr: /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info <-- here's the info 21:48 < rxr> n8 all 21:48 < jsaw> gnight rxr 21:48 < rxr> jsaw: oh - what a useless format 21:49 < rxr> should be per device attributed in sysfs ... 21:49 < rxr> n8 anyway 21:49 < rxr> need to get up early 21:49 < rxr> and susan is waiting .. 21:49 < jsaw> cu 21:55 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEFE86.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 21:55 < morfoh> rehi :) 21:55 < jsaw> hi morfoh 21:55 < morfoh> hi jsaw 21:58 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:14 < jsaw> have to leave too, cu 22:15 < morfoh> cu jsaw --- Log closed Mon Feb 06 00:00:34 2006