T2 IRC Log: 2006-02-18
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--- Log opened Sat Feb 18 00:00:48 2006
01:23 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15538 /trunk/package/develop/expect/expect.desc: * fix tcl detection for libdir != */lib
01:37 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15539 /trunk/package/base/automake/automake.postinstall:
01:37 < CIA-18> * create dirlist for aclocal (list of directories where aclocal
01:37 < CIA-18> files are found)
01:39 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200-70-161-51.mrse.com.ar] has joined #t2
01:39 < keinek> hi
01:39 < jsaw> oh, somebody else awake :)
01:39 < jsaw> hi keinek
01:40 < keinek> hi jsaw
01:40 < keinek> here in argentina is 22:42 pm :P
01:40 < jsaw> de, 2:40
01:40 < jsaw> (am)
01:41 < keinek> :)
01:41 < keinek> same world, different time.
01:41 < keinek> :)
01:43 < jsaw> same world, different locales :p
01:44 < jsaw> what's going on in argentina?
01:49 < keinek> i finish my dinner
01:49 < keinek> and...
01:49 < keinek> today i back from the club.
01:50 < keinek> i swing
01:50 < keinek> i like the sport in the water.
01:50 < keinek> sorry for my english.
01:50 < jsaw> dinner? and hanging around on #t2... you must be single
01:50 < keinek> :)
01:50 < keinek> yes i am alone.
01:50 < keinek> :D
01:52 < jsaw> don't excuse your english, reserve that for somebody you're talking to who's mother language _is_ english
01:52 < jsaw> ;)
01:52 < jsaw> (well I'm not single, but still, hanging around on #t2 at this time... everybody's asleep)
01:53 < jsaw> :|
01:53 < keinek> i see perhaps xmame have new version :P
01:54 < keinek> i must send new patch :D
01:54 < keinek> i like emulators
01:54 < jsaw> so, you are a water rat?
01:54 < jsaw> keinek: hehe
01:54 < keinek> :)
01:55 < jsaw> swimming pool or sea?
01:55 < keinek> for now pool
01:55 < keinek> :)
01:55 < jsaw> .oO(I miss the north sea once in a while)
01:55 < keinek> is more safe
01:56 < jsaw> oh, yeah, right. I remember the jellyfish in the north sea, not really dangerous, but still not nice
01:57 < keinek> in the pool you have the corner :)
01:57 < jsaw> hmmm
01:57 < jsaw> sounds like you already made good friends with 'em
01:58 < keinek> what is 'em?
01:58 < jsaw> them, the corners
01:58 < keinek> i need the dictionary :P
01:59 < jsaw> I don't think, that's in a dictionary...
01:59 < jsaw> read some rap texts...
01:59 < keinek> :)
02:00 < keinek> jsaw this month
02:00 < keinek> the magazine linux+
02:00 < keinek> publish a note about t2
02:00 < keinek> write by me
02:00 < keinek> :)
02:00 < jsaw> *great*
02:00 < keinek> i have two pictures in my foro
02:00 < keinek> with the magazine.
02:01 < keinek> mnemoc got the version in polish
02:01 < keinek> :P
02:01 < jsaw> "foro" ?
02:01 < jsaw> :P
02:01 < keinek> sorry
02:01 < keinek> forum
02:01 < keinek> :P
02:01 < keinek> http://red-handed.gsol.ws/foros/viewtopic.php?t=28
02:01 < keinek> look
02:01 < jsaw> :)
02:02 < keinek> the text say
02:02 < keinek> I am in my house in this hot summer
02:03 < keinek> i am happy with the magazine
02:03 < jsaw> the first sentence I understood
02:03 < keinek> something like that
02:03 < keinek> :)
02:03 < keinek> yes?
02:03 < keinek> :)
02:03 < keinek> you speak spanish?
02:03 < keinek> a bit?
02:04 < jsaw> no. I just remember a few words from long long long time ago when I had a spanish girl friend.
02:04 < keinek> where is she from?
02:04 < keinek> spain?
02:04 < jsaw> the rest is guessing (english, some french I used to know...)
02:04 < jsaw> Madrid
02:05 < keinek> ok, spain.
02:05 < keinek> and she was pretty?
02:05 < jsaw> yep
02:06 < keinek> i need some woman.
02:06 < keinek> :P
02:06 < keinek> mnemoc have two little sisters, you know?
02:07 < keinek> but just 14 years old.
02:07 < jsaw> no, I didn't
02:07 < keinek> With Madtux i was tell mnemoc.
02:07 < keinek> that
02:07 < keinek> i will go together to chile.
02:07 < keinek> :)
02:08 < keinek> in two years
02:08 < keinek> :D
02:08 < jsaw> hurry up before he starts liking germany (which I honestly do not believe in the long run)
02:08 < keinek> yes, next month mnemoc go to germany...
02:09 * jsaw would love to see Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, etc. etc. etc.
02:10 < keinek> jsaw when we have a new stable version of t2?
02:10 < keinek> i use the 2.1.1.1
02:10 < keinek> but i was try thje 2.2 but fail in the stage 1, in gcc or glibc :(
02:10 < keinek> too unstable.
02:11 < keinek> 2.1.1.1 work fine
02:11 < keinek> :)
02:11 < jsaw> I think we will need another 2-4month. The whole 64bit thing stops the fast progress a bit.
02:11 < jsaw> keinek: what failed?
02:11 < keinek> gcc
02:11 < keinek> or glibc
02:12 < keinek> in stage 1
02:12 < jsaw> do you remember why?
02:12 < keinek> no, i just a tester.
02:12 < keinek> :)
02:12 < keinek> but i try crossbuild.
02:12 < keinek> but the same thing
02:12 < keinek> meaby i need to install a pre compiler 2.2 version.
02:12 < jsaw> hmm
02:12 < keinek> i use a 2.1 version of t2 for build the new.
02:13 < keinek> gcc is olders than 2.2 version.
02:13 < jsaw> that shouldn't fail that ugly.
02:13 < keinek> i better use the 2.1.1.1 :P
02:13 < keinek> but i have not the live cd
02:13 < keinek> :(
02:13 < keinek> i never work that.
02:14 < jsaw> if you find some time to pinpoint the problem, that would be great
02:14 < keinek> ok
02:14 < keinek> next 28 of feb
02:14 < keinek> my work finish.
02:14 < keinek> and i will looking for new job.
02:15 < keinek> i will have some much time to test that :)
02:15 < jsaw> hmmm
02:15 < jsaw> I have to look for a new job in 2 years. And I really don't know what to do.
02:15 < keinek> you dont have a job?
02:16 < keinek> or you job finish in 2 years?
02:16 < jsaw> Stay in science (then I have to convince my family to go abroad for some time) or find a job in a company...
02:16 < jsaw> I finish in 2 years
02:16 < keinek> why 2 years?
02:16 < keinek> is writing like this?
02:16 < keinek> a contract?
02:17 < jsaw> maximum possible time to stay at this place. That's the way it works in the scientific community... it's called "on the tramps", when done, I could come back
02:17 < keinek> ok.
02:18 < keinek> but you know, new things come
02:18 < keinek> the destiny
02:18 < keinek> but i wanna know where i am in next two years :)
02:19 < jsaw> well, yes, you are right (though, I'd call it 'guidance')
02:20 < jsaw> brb, cig break
02:20 < keinek> :)
02:23 < jsaw> re
02:28 < jsaw> I should go and find some sleep, 1st birthday of my second daughter tomorrow...
02:29 < jsaw> parents-in-law snoring in the living room...
02:30 < jsaw> gotta be up early...
02:30 < jsaw> cu keinek
02:30 < keinek> cu jsaw
02:30 < keinek> :)
02:30 < keinek> i go to sleep
02:30 < keinek> too
02:30 < keinek> :)
02:30 < jsaw> :)
02:30 < jsaw> g'night, sleep well
02:30 < keinek> have pretty dreams
02:30 < keinek> :)
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02:46 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15540 /trunk/package/develop/itcl/itcl.desc: * discover tclConfig.sh for libdir != */lib
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02:49 < mnemoc> i wont have DSL until for at least a week at office :\
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04:09 < mnemoc> gn8
04:09 < mnemoc> cu.... tomorrow night :-\
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08:18 < valentin> moin
09:03 < karasz> moin all
09:10 < rxr_> re
09:10 < rxr_> moin valentin
09:10 < rxr_> valentin: thanks for the mail - though not that interste because the difficult boot stuff can not be done remotely that comfortable
09:10 < rxr_> valentin: and we have some powers around, that is e.g. my dual-core G5 ,-)
09:10 -!- You're now known as rxr
09:10 < rxr> valentin: gcc-4.0 is really sucking in auto-vectorization
09:11 < rxr> valentin: yesterday afternoon I tried very hard hanging around in starbucks caffe to get a loop of optimize2bw vectorized
09:11 < rxr> valentin: and the lazzy gcc does not want to - first thing is it does not seem to support vectorizing "nested" loops
09:11 < rxr> and with most algorithms you pretty soon get nested loops
09:12 < rxr> and even if moved out into a inlined function, just to make gcc vectorize it as it no longer is a classic nested loop, it does not recognize it as vectorizeable and if moved into int main()'s top it does just spits out float, double or int would be unsupported types :-(((
09:13 < rxr> maybe I try gcc-4.1 today ...
09:16 < LMJ> moin moin
09:16 < karasz> moin rxr, LMJ
09:23 < rxr> yeah - moin all
10:19 < valentin> moin rxr
10:20 < valentin> rxr: hm, i thought gcc folks are competent
10:21 < valentin> bbl
10:23 < valentin> rxr: maybe you can write that ibm guy to install t2 instead of debian on theese boxes, so the rockers have a good host system for their rock development ;)
10:25 < valentin> so, realy bbl now
10:25 < rxr> valentin: rock would not build with ppc64 host ,-)
10:26 < rxr> valentin: /me working on a xevie application intercepting X key events and potentionally not pass those thru to injct certain key
10:26 < rxr> combinations into database tables - quite fun ,-)
10:38 < rxr> std::string has no pop_back ?!?!
10:38 < rxr> damned C++ standard ...
10:38 < rxr> ... and it's forgotten methods ..
10:39 < valentin> rxr: use substring method
10:39 * valentin wanted to be away now ;)
10:40 < rxr> cool
10:40 < rxr> tr: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::out_of_range'
10:40 < rxr> what(): basic_string::erase
10:40 < rxr> that issue printout is new and helpful ,-
10:40 < rxr> cu valentin
10:40 < valentin> rxr: do you know since when allocated memory under linux gets unmapped after freed ?
10:41 < rxr> you bean not stayed allocated as with brk =
10:41 < rxr> ?
10:41 < rxr> this is since newer glibc's that use mmap for big allocations mmap of /dev/null IIRC
10:41 < rxr> those anonymous maps are then ummapped ...
10:41 < valentin> i.e x=new int[50]; delete[] x; y=x[0]; <= "cannot access memory at location ...."
10:42 < rxr> as opposted to brk
10:42 < valentin> nice
10:42 < valentin> okay, you need more than 50 elements :)
10:42 < rxr> but that depends on the c library, I think only glibc does this
10:42 < rxr> dietlibc included a tricky malloc - maybe it does as well
10:43 < valentin> well, i used glibc, so...
10:43 < valentin> so, cu now :)
10:44 < rxr> cu
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11:28 < CIA-18> rene * r15541 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc:
11:28 < CIA-18> * added av-xevie-sb, a most finished X event intercepter to allow
11:28 < CIA-18> initiating scans from the keyboard's number block (or optionally
11:28 < CIA-18> additional USB number blocks), to the archivista target
11:35 < rxr> Committed revision 463.
11:35 < rxr> ^- our http://www.exactcode.de homepage, if this continues it soon has a higher revision than rock-linux ,-)
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11:41 < CIA-18> rene * r15542 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc:
11:41 < CIA-18> * added KEY defines that are not on the currently deployed
11:41 < CIA-18> archivista X.org 6.8.x to the av-xevie-sb.cc
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12:20 < owl> moin
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12:33 < karasz> moin owl
12:39 < rxr> moin owl and karasz
12:41 < CIA-18> rene * r15543 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel:
12:41 < CIA-18> * disabled perl-latexml for the archivista target temporarily, it is
12:41 < CIA-18> not yet strictly needed and required latex which is not installed
12:41 < CIA-18> completely
12:42 < CIA-18> rene * r15544 /trunk/target/archivista/kernel.conf.sh:
12:42 < CIA-18> * disabled PREEMPTION for the archivista target, it renders user-land
12:42 < CIA-18> USB i/o higly instable and it is required for SANE/Avision (et.al.) device
12:42 < CIA-18> access
12:52 < rxr> hm
12:52 < rxr> no mnemoc here ?
12:54 < rxr> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=2223
12:54 < rxr> ^- should be in 2.1 xorg until we update it to 6.9 ...
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13:29 < CIA-18> rene * r15545 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc:
13:29 < CIA-18> * implemented the usual --script option and thus child execution
13:29 < CIA-18> for the archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc
13:45 < karasz> re
13:45 < karasz> anyone has an ideea abt this: `checking dependency style of gcc... make: *** [Makefile.in] Error 1`
14:44 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15546 /trunk/package/audio/openal/openal.desc: * add "freealut" (OpenAL Utility Toolkit) to openal
14:46 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15547 /trunk/package/gnome2/abiword/abiword.desc:
14:46 < CIA-18> * revert r15521, the reason why abiword fails on 64bit
14:46 < CIA-18> are .la files still containing -L/usr/lib in dependency list
14:48 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15548 /trunk/package/kde/kaffeine/ (kaffeine.conf kaffeine.desc):
14:48 < CIA-18> * hinder kaffeine to rebuild auto-tools
14:48 < CIA-18> (damn KDE automake mods)
15:01 < rxr> hi jsaw
15:01 < jsaw> hi rxr
15:01 < rxr> mr. hiding ,-I
15:01 < jsaw> hehe
15:02 < rxr> good that we have CIA to uncover you ,-)
15:02 < jsaw> :p
15:04 < rxr> jsaw: how are you ?
15:04 < jsaw> fine, thanks. I'm just sending a few patches while the rest of the big family rests, then Charlottes birthday continues...
15:05 < jsaw> and you ?
15:05 < rxr> hacking in Zuerich ,-)
15:05 < rxr> fine as well
15:05 < jsaw> oh, again?
15:05 < rxr> yep
15:05 < rxr> since some days
15:05 < jsaw> nice
15:07 < CIA-18> rene * r15549 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc:
15:07 < CIA-18> * additionally also accept the normal Enter code in the archivista
15:07 < CIA-18> av-xevie-sb.cc, since some keypads in the real-world send it instead
15:07 < CIA-18> the _KP_ code :-(
15:17 < CIA-18> rene * r15550 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc:
15:17 < CIA-18> * and the last feature for av-xevie-sb.cc, clear the buffer if the
15:17 < CIA-18> time difference to the last recorded key is more than 10s
15:19 < CIA-18> rene * r15551 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc: * ouhm - fixed av-xevie-sb.cc to not pass KP deletes thru ,-)
15:28 < CIA-18> rene * r15552 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc: * further fixed av-xevie-sb to update the timestamp when the buffer is reset
15:34 < rxr> ^- howto increate the t2 rev. efficently ,-)
16:06 < CIA-18> rene * r15553 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/.fluxbox/ (menu startup):
16:06 < CIA-18> * added starting of the av-xevie-sb to the archivista fluxbox/startup - if
16:06 < CIA-18> configuredand removed the (AV220) note from the button setup menu entry
16:08 < CIA-18> rene * r15554 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/ (av-button.conf sudoers):
16:08 < CIA-18> * added associated sudo rules for av-xevie-sb as well as enabled the new
16:08 < CIA-18> button functionality by default
16:15 < CIA-18> rene * r15555 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/network.sh:
16:15 < CIA-18> * improved the archivista target network setup to set the choice for DHCP
16:15 < CIA-18> to default to no if DHCP is not yet enabled
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16:20 < keinek> hi
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16:25 < misl> hi folks
16:26 < owl> hi misl
16:40 < rxr> hey missle
16:40 < rxr> greetings from the rainy zuerich ,-)
16:40 < owl> moin rxr
16:43 < misl> hey rxr, in Zurich again? ;-) must a good customer
16:44 < rxr> misl: especially with the ammount of t2 related work ,-)
16:46 < CIA-18> rene * r15556 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (.fluxbox/startup button-setup.sh):
16:46 < CIA-18> * renamed the archivista button setup variable for readability and
16:46 < CIA-18> implemented toggling the state from the usual button-setup script as well
16:46 < CIA-18> as fixed it to properly exit when cancel is clicked
16:46 < CIA-18> rene * r15557 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/av-button.conf: * renamed default av-button.conf option name, likewise
16:55 < CIA-18> rene * r15558 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (update-restore.sh update-store.sh): * implemended archivista update/restore for the new scan-button state
17:02 < CIA-18> rene * r15559 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/button-setup.sh:
17:02 < CIA-18> * fixed archivista/button-setup.sh to immediatly kill potentially
17:02 < CIA-18> running xevie daemons
17:07 < CIA-18> rene * r15560 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel:
17:07 < CIA-18> * enavled 99-final for the archivista target, it will later
17:07 < CIA-18> contain the av-xevie-sb
17:07 < karasz> re
17:07 < karasz> hello Minto, sepp
17:14 < misl> hi karasz
17:19 < owl> moin karasz
17:26 < karasz> hello owl
17:31 < CIA-18> pfister * r15561 /trunk/target/archivista/pkg_99-final.conf: * added compilation of av-xevie-sb to the archivista 99-final
17:35 < rxr> oops - --username would have been my friend ,-)
17:51 < rxr> cu
17:52 < karasz> bye rxr
18:09 < owl> bye rxr
18:10 < CIA-18> rene * r15562 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/button-setup.sh: * immediatly start av-xevie-sb in the archivisat/button-setup.sh
18:22 < keinek> in a minutes i will update de xmame package ;)
18:22 < keinek> the*
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21:01 < valentin> hi
21:05 < karasz> hi valentin
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21:28 < valentin> hi karasz
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23:36 < karasz> re
23:36 < karasz> rxr around?
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01:23 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15538 /trunk/package/develop/expect/expect.desc: * fix tcl detection for libdir != */lib
01:37 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15539 /trunk/package/base/automake/automake.postinstall:
01:37 < CIA-18> * create dirlist for aclocal (list of directories where aclocal
01:37 < CIA-18> files are found)
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01:39 < keinek> hi
01:39 < jsaw> oh, somebody else awake :)
01:39 < jsaw> hi keinek
01:40 < keinek> hi jsaw
01:40 < keinek> here in argentina is 22:42 pm :P
01:40 < jsaw> de, 2:40
01:40 < jsaw> (am)
01:41 < keinek> :)
01:41 < keinek> same world, different time.
01:41 < keinek> :)
01:43 < jsaw> same world, different locales :p
01:44 < jsaw> what's going on in argentina?
01:49 < keinek> i finish my dinner
01:49 < keinek> and...
01:49 < keinek> today i back from the club.
01:50 < keinek> i swing
01:50 < keinek> i like the sport in the water.
01:50 < keinek> sorry for my english.
01:50 < jsaw> dinner? and hanging around on #t2... you must be single
01:50 < keinek> :)
01:50 < keinek> yes i am alone.
01:50 < keinek> :D
01:52 < jsaw> don't excuse your english, reserve that for somebody you're talking to who's mother language _is_ english
01:52 < jsaw> ;)
01:52 < jsaw> (well I'm not single, but still, hanging around on #t2 at this time... everybody's asleep)
01:53 < jsaw> :|
01:53 < keinek> i see perhaps xmame have new version :P
01:54 < keinek> i must send new patch :D
01:54 < keinek> i like emulators
01:54 < jsaw> so, you are a water rat?
01:54 < jsaw> keinek: hehe
01:54 < keinek> :)
01:55 < jsaw> swimming pool or sea?
01:55 < keinek> for now pool
01:55 < keinek> :)
01:55 < jsaw> .oO(I miss the north sea once in a while)
01:55 < keinek> is more safe
01:56 < jsaw> oh, yeah, right. I remember the jellyfish in the north sea, not really dangerous, but still not nice
01:57 < keinek> in the pool you have the corner :)
01:57 < jsaw> hmmm
01:57 < jsaw> sounds like you already made good friends with 'em
01:58 < keinek> what is 'em?
01:58 < jsaw> them, the corners
01:58 < keinek> i need the dictionary :P
01:59 < jsaw> I don't think, that's in a dictionary...
01:59 < jsaw> read some rap texts...
01:59 < keinek> :)
02:00 < keinek> jsaw this month
02:00 < keinek> the magazine linux+
02:00 < keinek> publish a note about t2
02:00 < keinek> write by me
02:00 < keinek> :)
02:00 < jsaw> *great*
02:00 < keinek> i have two pictures in my foro
02:00 < keinek> with the magazine.
02:01 < keinek> mnemoc got the version in polish
02:01 < keinek> :P
02:01 < jsaw> "foro" ?
02:01 < jsaw> :P
02:01 < keinek> sorry
02:01 < keinek> forum
02:01 < keinek> :P
02:01 < keinek> http://red-handed.gsol.ws/foros/viewtopic.php?t=28
02:01 < keinek> look
02:01 < jsaw> :)
02:02 < keinek> the text say
02:02 < keinek> I am in my house in this hot summer
02:03 < keinek> i am happy with the magazine
02:03 < jsaw> the first sentence I understood
02:03 < keinek> something like that
02:03 < keinek> :)
02:03 < keinek> yes?
02:03 < keinek> :)
02:03 < keinek> you speak spanish?
02:03 < keinek> a bit?
02:04 < jsaw> no. I just remember a few words from long long long time ago when I had a spanish girl friend.
02:04 < keinek> where is she from?
02:04 < keinek> spain?
02:04 < jsaw> the rest is guessing (english, some french I used to know...)
02:04 < jsaw> Madrid
02:05 < keinek> ok, spain.
02:05 < keinek> and she was pretty?
02:05 < jsaw> yep
02:06 < keinek> i need some woman.
02:06 < keinek> :P
02:06 < keinek> mnemoc have two little sisters, you know?
02:07 < keinek> but just 14 years old.
02:07 < jsaw> no, I didn't
02:07 < keinek> With Madtux i was tell mnemoc.
02:07 < keinek> that
02:07 < keinek> i will go together to chile.
02:07 < keinek> :)
02:08 < keinek> in two years
02:08 < keinek> :D
02:08 < jsaw> hurry up before he starts liking germany (which I honestly do not believe in the long run)
02:08 < keinek> yes, next month mnemoc go to germany...
02:09 * jsaw would love to see Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, etc. etc. etc.
02:10 < keinek> jsaw when we have a new stable version of t2?
02:10 < keinek> i use the 2.1.1.1
02:10 < keinek> but i was try thje 2.2 but fail in the stage 1, in gcc or glibc :(
02:10 < keinek> too unstable.
02:11 < keinek> 2.1.1.1 work fine
02:11 < keinek> :)
02:11 < jsaw> I think we will need another 2-4month. The whole 64bit thing stops the fast progress a bit.
02:11 < jsaw> keinek: what failed?
02:11 < keinek> gcc
02:11 < keinek> or glibc
02:12 < keinek> in stage 1
02:12 < jsaw> do you remember why?
02:12 < keinek> no, i just a tester.
02:12 < keinek> :)
02:12 < keinek> but i try crossbuild.
02:12 < keinek> but the same thing
02:12 < keinek> meaby i need to install a pre compiler 2.2 version.
02:12 < jsaw> hmm
02:12 < keinek> i use a 2.1 version of t2 for build the new.
02:13 < keinek> gcc is olders than 2.2 version.
02:13 < jsaw> that shouldn't fail that ugly.
02:13 < keinek> i better use the 2.1.1.1 :P
02:13 < keinek> but i have not the live cd
02:13 < keinek> :(
02:13 < keinek> i never work that.
02:14 < jsaw> if you find some time to pinpoint the problem, that would be great
02:14 < keinek> ok
02:14 < keinek> next 28 of feb
02:14 < keinek> my work finish.
02:14 < keinek> and i will looking for new job.
02:15 < keinek> i will have some much time to test that :)
02:15 < jsaw> hmmm
02:15 < jsaw> I have to look for a new job in 2 years. And I really don't know what to do.
02:15 < keinek> you dont have a job?
02:16 < keinek> or you job finish in 2 years?
02:16 < jsaw> Stay in science (then I have to convince my family to go abroad for some time) or find a job in a company...
02:16 < jsaw> I finish in 2 years
02:16 < keinek> why 2 years?
02:16 < keinek> is writing like this?
02:16 < keinek> a contract?
02:17 < jsaw> maximum possible time to stay at this place. That's the way it works in the scientific community... it's called "on the tramps", when done, I could come back
02:17 < keinek> ok.
02:18 < keinek> but you know, new things come
02:18 < keinek> the destiny
02:18 < keinek> but i wanna know where i am in next two years :)
02:19 < jsaw> well, yes, you are right (though, I'd call it 'guidance')
02:20 < jsaw> brb, cig break
02:20 < keinek> :)
02:23 < jsaw> re
02:28 < jsaw> I should go and find some sleep, 1st birthday of my second daughter tomorrow...
02:29 < jsaw> parents-in-law snoring in the living room...
02:30 < jsaw> gotta be up early...
02:30 < jsaw> cu keinek
02:30 < keinek> cu jsaw
02:30 < keinek> :)
02:30 < keinek> i go to sleep
02:30 < keinek> too
02:30 < keinek> :)
02:30 < jsaw> :)
02:30 < jsaw> g'night, sleep well
02:30 < keinek> have pretty dreams
02:30 < keinek> :)
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02:49 < mnemoc> i wont have DSL until for at least a week at office :\
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04:09 < mnemoc> gn8
04:09 < mnemoc> cu.... tomorrow night :-\
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08:18 < valentin> moin
09:03 < karasz> moin all
09:10 < rxr_> re
09:10 < rxr_> moin valentin
09:10 < rxr_> valentin: thanks for the mail - though not that interste because the difficult boot stuff can not be done remotely that comfortable
09:10 < rxr_> valentin: and we have some powers around, that is e.g. my dual-core G5 ,-)
09:10 -!- You're now known as rxr
09:10 < rxr> valentin: gcc-4.0 is really sucking in auto-vectorization
09:11 < rxr> valentin: yesterday afternoon I tried very hard hanging around in starbucks caffe to get a loop of optimize2bw vectorized
09:11 < rxr> valentin: and the lazzy gcc does not want to - first thing is it does not seem to support vectorizing "nested" loops
09:11 < rxr> and with most algorithms you pretty soon get nested loops
09:12 < rxr> and even if moved out into a inlined function, just to make gcc vectorize it as it no longer is a classic nested loop, it does not recognize it as vectorizeable and if moved into int main()'s top it does just spits out float, double or int would be unsupported types :-(((
09:13 < rxr> maybe I try gcc-4.1 today ...
09:16 < LMJ> moin moin
09:16 < karasz> moin rxr, LMJ
09:23 < rxr> yeah - moin all
10:19 < valentin> moin rxr
10:20 < valentin> rxr: hm, i thought gcc folks are competent
10:21 < valentin> bbl
10:23 < valentin> rxr: maybe you can write that ibm guy to install t2 instead of debian on theese boxes, so the rockers have a good host system for their rock development ;)
10:25 < valentin> so, realy bbl now
10:25 < rxr> valentin: rock would not build with ppc64 host ,-)
10:26 < rxr> valentin: /me working on a xevie application intercepting X key events and potentionally not pass those thru to injct certain key
10:26 < rxr> combinations into database tables - quite fun ,-)
10:38 < rxr> std::string has no pop_back ?!?!
10:38 < rxr> damned C++ standard ...
10:38 < rxr> ... and it's forgotten methods ..
10:39 < valentin> rxr: use substring method
10:39 * valentin wanted to be away now ;)
10:40 < rxr> cool
10:40 < rxr> tr: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::out_of_range'
10:40 < rxr> what(): basic_string::erase
10:40 < rxr> that issue printout is new and helpful ,-
10:40 < rxr> cu valentin
10:40 < valentin> rxr: do you know since when allocated memory under linux gets unmapped after freed ?
10:41 < rxr> you bean not stayed allocated as with brk =
10:41 < rxr> ?
10:41 < rxr> this is since newer glibc's that use mmap for big allocations mmap of /dev/null IIRC
10:41 < rxr> those anonymous maps are then ummapped ...
10:41 < valentin> i.e x=new int[50]; delete[] x; y=x[0]; <= "cannot access memory at location ...."
10:42 < rxr> as opposted to brk
10:42 < valentin> nice
10:42 < valentin> okay, you need more than 50 elements :)
10:42 < rxr> but that depends on the c library, I think only glibc does this
10:42 < rxr> dietlibc included a tricky malloc - maybe it does as well
10:43 < valentin> well, i used glibc, so...
10:43 < valentin> so, cu now :)
10:44 < rxr> cu
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11:28 < CIA-18> rene * r15541 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc:
11:28 < CIA-18> * added av-xevie-sb, a most finished X event intercepter to allow
11:28 < CIA-18> initiating scans from the keyboard's number block (or optionally
11:28 < CIA-18> additional USB number blocks), to the archivista target
11:35 < rxr> Committed revision 463.
11:35 < rxr> ^- our http://www.exactcode.de homepage, if this continues it soon has a higher revision than rock-linux ,-)
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11:41 < CIA-18> rene * r15542 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc:
11:41 < CIA-18> * added KEY defines that are not on the currently deployed
11:41 < CIA-18> archivista X.org 6.8.x to the av-xevie-sb.cc
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12:20 < owl> moin
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12:33 < karasz> moin owl
12:39 < rxr> moin owl and karasz
12:41 < CIA-18> rene * r15543 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel:
12:41 < CIA-18> * disabled perl-latexml for the archivista target temporarily, it is
12:41 < CIA-18> not yet strictly needed and required latex which is not installed
12:41 < CIA-18> completely
12:42 < CIA-18> rene * r15544 /trunk/target/archivista/kernel.conf.sh:
12:42 < CIA-18> * disabled PREEMPTION for the archivista target, it renders user-land
12:42 < CIA-18> USB i/o higly instable and it is required for SANE/Avision (et.al.) device
12:42 < CIA-18> access
12:52 < rxr> hm
12:52 < rxr> no mnemoc here ?
12:54 < rxr> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=2223
12:54 < rxr> ^- should be in 2.1 xorg until we update it to 6.9 ...
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13:29 < CIA-18> rene * r15545 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc:
13:29 < CIA-18> * implemented the usual --script option and thus child execution
13:29 < CIA-18> for the archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc
13:45 < karasz> re
13:45 < karasz> anyone has an ideea abt this: `checking dependency style of gcc... make: *** [Makefile.in] Error 1`
14:44 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15546 /trunk/package/audio/openal/openal.desc: * add "freealut" (OpenAL Utility Toolkit) to openal
14:46 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15547 /trunk/package/gnome2/abiword/abiword.desc:
14:46 < CIA-18> * revert r15521, the reason why abiword fails on 64bit
14:46 < CIA-18> are .la files still containing -L/usr/lib in dependency list
14:48 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15548 /trunk/package/kde/kaffeine/ (kaffeine.conf kaffeine.desc):
14:48 < CIA-18> * hinder kaffeine to rebuild auto-tools
14:48 < CIA-18> (damn KDE automake mods)
15:01 < rxr> hi jsaw
15:01 < jsaw> hi rxr
15:01 < rxr> mr. hiding ,-I
15:01 < jsaw> hehe
15:02 < rxr> good that we have CIA to uncover you ,-)
15:02 < jsaw> :p
15:04 < rxr> jsaw: how are you ?
15:04 < jsaw> fine, thanks. I'm just sending a few patches while the rest of the big family rests, then Charlottes birthday continues...
15:05 < jsaw> and you ?
15:05 < rxr> hacking in Zuerich ,-)
15:05 < rxr> fine as well
15:05 < jsaw> oh, again?
15:05 < rxr> yep
15:05 < rxr> since some days
15:05 < jsaw> nice
15:07 < CIA-18> rene * r15549 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc:
15:07 < CIA-18> * additionally also accept the normal Enter code in the archivista
15:07 < CIA-18> av-xevie-sb.cc, since some keypads in the real-world send it instead
15:07 < CIA-18> the _KP_ code :-(
15:17 < CIA-18> rene * r15550 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc:
15:17 < CIA-18> * and the last feature for av-xevie-sb.cc, clear the buffer if the
15:17 < CIA-18> time difference to the last recorded key is more than 10s
15:19 < CIA-18> rene * r15551 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc: * ouhm - fixed av-xevie-sb.cc to not pass KP deletes thru ,-)
15:28 < CIA-18> rene * r15552 /trunk/target/archivista/av-xevie-sb.cc: * further fixed av-xevie-sb to update the timestamp when the buffer is reset
15:34 < rxr> ^- howto increate the t2 rev. efficently ,-)
16:06 < CIA-18> rene * r15553 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/.fluxbox/ (menu startup):
16:06 < CIA-18> * added starting of the av-xevie-sb to the archivista fluxbox/startup - if
16:06 < CIA-18> configuredand removed the (AV220) note from the button setup menu entry
16:08 < CIA-18> rene * r15554 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/ (av-button.conf sudoers):
16:08 < CIA-18> * added associated sudo rules for av-xevie-sb as well as enabled the new
16:08 < CIA-18> button functionality by default
16:15 < CIA-18> rene * r15555 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/network.sh:
16:15 < CIA-18> * improved the archivista target network setup to set the choice for DHCP
16:15 < CIA-18> to default to no if DHCP is not yet enabled
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16:20 < keinek> hi
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16:25 < misl> hi folks
16:26 < owl> hi misl
16:40 < rxr> hey missle
16:40 < rxr> greetings from the rainy zuerich ,-)
16:40 < owl> moin rxr
16:43 < misl> hey rxr, in Zurich again? ;-) must a good customer
16:44 < rxr> misl: especially with the ammount of t2 related work ,-)
16:46 < CIA-18> rene * r15556 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (.fluxbox/startup button-setup.sh):
16:46 < CIA-18> * renamed the archivista button setup variable for readability and
16:46 < CIA-18> implemented toggling the state from the usual button-setup script as well
16:46 < CIA-18> as fixed it to properly exit when cancel is clicked
16:46 < CIA-18> rene * r15557 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/av-button.conf: * renamed default av-button.conf option name, likewise
16:55 < CIA-18> rene * r15558 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (update-restore.sh update-store.sh): * implemended archivista update/restore for the new scan-button state
17:02 < CIA-18> rene * r15559 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/button-setup.sh:
17:02 < CIA-18> * fixed archivista/button-setup.sh to immediatly kill potentially
17:02 < CIA-18> running xevie daemons
17:07 < CIA-18> rene * r15560 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel:
17:07 < CIA-18> * enavled 99-final for the archivista target, it will later
17:07 < CIA-18> contain the av-xevie-sb
17:07 < karasz> re
17:07 < karasz> hello Minto, sepp
17:14 < misl> hi karasz
17:19 < owl> moin karasz
17:26 < karasz> hello owl
17:31 < CIA-18> pfister * r15561 /trunk/target/archivista/pkg_99-final.conf: * added compilation of av-xevie-sb to the archivista 99-final
17:35 < rxr> oops - --username would have been my friend ,-)
17:51 < rxr> cu
17:52 < karasz> bye rxr
18:09 < owl> bye rxr
18:10 < CIA-18> rene * r15562 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/button-setup.sh: * immediatly start av-xevie-sb in the archivisat/button-setup.sh
18:22 < keinek> in a minutes i will update de xmame package ;)
18:22 < keinek> the*
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21:01 < valentin> hi
21:05 < karasz> hi valentin
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21:28 < valentin> hi karasz
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23:36 < karasz> re
23:36 < karasz> rxr around?
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