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08:42 < valentin> moin
08:42 < owl> hi valentin 
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08:47 < morfoh> moin
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11:56 < morfoh> re
11:57 < valentin> lol: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/70754 
11:58 < valentin> ^- ubuntu stores the root passwd in a world-readable PLAINTEXT file :)
11:59 < valentin> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/34606
11:59 < valentin> i would not call that one just a "bug"
12:05 < morfoh> valentin: indeed... this is by far the most user friendly linux... no headaches for getting root access :D
12:06 < valentin> they wanted to create a linux that feels like windows. i think they almost completed that goal
12:07 < morfoh> ack
12:15 < morfoh> the advice to upgrade to the latest development version of the affected packages is quite nice too
12:16 < morfoh> perhaps they should start a new "subproject" called "cowbuntu"
12:17 < morfoh> ok ... enough flaming.
12:19 < valentin> :)
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13:56 < LMJ_at_work> hello guys ;)
14:05 < LMJ_at_work> I'm not sure, but it's "initrd" who load everything after the BIOS and make  ":-)" or ":-(" ?
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14:09 < LMJ2> oups, sorry back ;)
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14:33 < LMJ2> ping rxr_ or sepp jsaw ?
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14:36 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
14:36 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Mar 11 22:55:45 2006]
14:36 [Users #t2]
14:36 [@ChanServ] [ idealm] [ LMJ2  ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly ] [ _Ragnar_] 
14:36 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw  ] [ morfoh] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly_] 
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14:36 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug  8 19:15:33 2004
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14:40 < mtr> moin
14:41 < jsaw> LMJ2: :-) etal is after pivot_root (which means in-system)
14:44 < LMJ2> i don't know etal nor pivot_root, they are managing the whole booting process ?
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14:59 < jsaw> LMJ2: pivot_root is similiar to "chroot", meaning, the boot process is transferred to the host-system after initrd
15:00 < LMJ2> so boot -> grub -> initrd -> pivot_root ?
15:01 < jsaw> "etal" = "et al." = and others
15:02 < jsaw> LMJ2: boot-> grub -> kernel+initrd -> start init process (from initrd) -> (... mount root device ...) -> pivot_root (start init of root device)
15:07 < LMJ2> thanks ;)
15:12 < jsaw> welcome :)
15:28 < LMJ2> gtg ;)
15:28 < LMJ2> see you at home mate
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15:57 < LMJ> moin moin ;)
15:59 < rxr> re
16:02 < rxr> cu later
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18:19 < mnemoc> moin!
18:25 < sepp> moin mnemoc :)
18:29 < mnemoc> hi sepp :)
18:29 < mnemoc> i survived my journey from hannover to berlin :p
18:29 < sepp> survived?
18:30 < morfoh> hi mnemoc ... good to hear that! :)
18:30 < mnemoc> sepp: i didn't die or get lost
18:30 < mnemoc> morfoh: hi :)
18:31 < morfoh> :)
18:32 < sepp> you took a post carriage and feared bandits ?
18:32 < morfoh> sepp: I think he was even the horse :)
18:33 < sepp> hehe
18:34 < sepp> what was supposed to read PCI_SKIP_MODULES in /etc/conf/pci ?
18:34 < mnemoc> o_O
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19:06 < morfoh> holy shit ... jsaw you were _absolutely_ right. packaging lua 3rd. party stuff is a pain :/
19:08 < mnemoc> what has to be done?
19:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: the makefiles and configs are mostly crap
19:10 < mnemoc> :(
19:10 < morfoh> I disabled the gcc config and injected the needed stuff via makeopt and so on
19:11 < morfoh> but I guess if I cleanup my test package it will be looking nicer
19:14 < morfoh> and it looks much more sane and afiacs it's now linked properly
19:14 < morfoh> at least nearly :|
19:15 < mnemoc> have anyone seen axion reciently?
19:16 < morfoh> nope
19:17 < mnemoc> i fear we lost our 'american' mirror :(
19:17 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_ will have to provide one
19:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack ... I heard sth. like that :)
19:22 < _Ragnar_> O_O
19:24 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: did your heard the same?
19:24 < _Ragnar_> I only know it's down
19:26 < mnemoc> i mean about _Ragnar_'s new mirror
19:28 < _Ragnar_> uhm :p I don't have that kinda bandwidth
19:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: have you seen my query ?
19:30 < mnemoc> morfoh: i guess i would have seen it if you identify yourself to god nickserv
19:30 < morfoh> yeah ... I wasn't
19:30 < mnemoc> :)
19:31 < mnemoc> get keepnick.pl
19:32  * mnemoc wonders about packaging http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/en/instructions/
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19:38 < jsaw> sepp: PCI_SKIP_MODULES used to be read by rockplug
19:40 < mnemoc> PCI_SKIP_MODULES works perfectly on t2 2.1
19:40 < mnemoc> but the ISA stuff is borked on stone
19:40 < sepp> thanks - is there a skip feature for trunk?
19:41 < mnemoc> hotplug++ ...
19:44 < sepp> is this a yes or a no? :)
19:45 < jsaw> sepp: not in that way. I tried the documented "blacklist" in modprobe.conf, but something didn't work out
19:45 < jsaw> alias module-name off
19:46 < jsaw> works, but, modprobe complains about not being able to find the module "off"
19:46 < mnemoc> jsaw: did you see my messages yesterday night?
19:47 < jsaw> mnemoc: yes  :)
19:47 < jsaw> bias (bringing daughter to bed)
19:48 < mnemoc> :)
20:12 < jsaw> re
20:12 < jsaw> mnemoc: what's AJAX?
20:13 < jsaw> ah, wikipedia...
20:17 < mnemoc> javascript to get XML from teh server an render the content dinamicly without actually refreshing the page
20:18 < jsaw> xavante?
20:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: I fixed luaexpat :)
20:20 < morfoh> fucking sh*t it wasn't 5.1 aware
20:20 < jsaw> morfoh: please check that it links dynamically to expat
20:21 < morfoh> jsaw: it is ;)
20:21 < morfoh> jsaw: I had to inject -lexpat
20:21 < jsaw> ah right, that was it
20:22 < jsaw> (long time ago I tested it, and, obviously didn't understand the simple solution...)
20:22 < morfoh> jsaw: I'll cleanup my package and commit the tiny beast
20:22 < morfoh> my little test prog works so far
20:23 < morfoh> this parser can be quite handy :)
20:23 < jsaw> yep, expat is nice
20:23 < mnemoc> with lua we could even use fefe's
20:23 < mnemoc> LUGRA_ItaloRamirez: 's
20:23 < mnemoc> LUGRA_ItaloRamirez: err
20:26 < morfoh> jsaw: but I changed some parts of the lua package too
20:27 < morfoh> I've created a lua.conf.in for $myLIBS $myCFLAGS and some other
20:27 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15799 /trunk/package/base/runit/rockify.patch: * s/X11R6/X11/ in /etc/runit/2
20:28 < jsaw> lua.conf.in?
20:28 < morfoh> perhaps this isn't right, I just wanted to "inherit" some stuff from lua package
20:29 < jsaw> oh, that u mean
20:29 < morfoh> for 3rd. party stuff
20:29 < jsaw> morfoh: better use "lua-conf.in", that's what most other packages use in such a case
20:30 < morfoh> jsaw: ok
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20:53 < CIA-18> chris * r15800 /trunk/package/develop/lua/ (lua-conf.in lua.conf lua.pc): 
20:53 < CIA-18> * removed -llua -lm from lua.pc template
20:53 < CIA-18> * added -llua -lm to $myLIBS
20:53 < CIA-18> * added lua-conf.in for sharing some variables with lua 3rd. party packages
20:53 < CIA-18> * added line to include lua-conf.in and cleaned up the conf file
20:57 < jsaw> morfoh: pkgprefix ver lua
20:57 < jsaw> lua_pkg_ver=$( pkgprefix ver lua )
20:57 < morfoh> jsaw: thanks :)
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21:02 < morfoh> wb mnemoc 
21:02 < mnemoc> uhm
21:02 < mnemoc> my F* shell server has network troubles again
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21:10 < mnemoc> wb sepp
21:15 < mnemoc> damn it's cold
21:15 < jsaw> hehe
21:16 < mnemoc> :)
21:16 < jsaw> mnemoc: now you know what we mean when talking about "cold"
21:16 < mnemoc> *but* it's not yet as cold as been on a cold damn at my former office sit there the whole day
21:17 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15801 /trunk/package/lua/lua-pcre/ (lrexlib-conf.in string.lua): 
21:17 < CIA-18> * move "string.lua" out of lrexlib-conf.in into its own file
21:17 < CIA-18>  and use a sed to build it for lua-pcre and lua-rx
21:17 < jsaw> *g*
21:21 < CIA-18> chris * r15802 /trunk/package/develop/lua/lua-conf.in: * fixed lua-conf.in to use pkgprefix to get the lua version
21:21 < morfoh> *g*
21:27 < CIA-18> chris * r15803 /trunk/package/lua/luaexpat/ (6 files): * added luaexpat (1.0.1)
21:27 < morfoh> jsaw: ^ for that small lib 
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21:28 < morfoh> 5 files for getting one .so 
21:30 < morfoh> jsaw: http://www.keplerproject.org/luaexpat/examples.html <-- examples are working
22:17 < jsaw> re
22:17 < morfoh> wb jsaw 
22:17 < jsaw> morfoh: hmm, probably it wouldn't have been a problem to make one patch, but whatever
22:21 < morfoh> jsaw: I like to split the patches
22:21 < jsaw> ic
22:21 < jsaw> morfoh: do you really need the no-config.patch ?
22:21 < morfoh> yes
22:22 < jsaw> == 03/13/06 23:23:41 =[9]=> Aborted building package luaexpat.
22:22 < jsaw> hmmm
22:22 < morfoh> uhm ?
22:22 < jsaw> fPIC missing
22:22 < jsaw> (on x86-64)
22:22 < morfoh> ic 
22:22 < morfoh> add it :p
22:23 < morfoh> jsaw: do you have much against the no-config-patch ?
22:24 < morfoh> I think this way we're a bit more flexible
22:24 < morfoh> than using sed
22:24 < jsaw> yes: with the makefile.patch, config is not touched
22:25 < morfoh> ah! ok ..
22:25 < morfoh> remove it
22:25 < jsaw> at it :)
22:25 < morfoh> :)
22:28 < mnemoc> jsaw: what do you think about branching the trunk to add a the bootstraping layer on our tools? :)
22:28 < mnemoc> .oO( on your spare time of course )o
22:28 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15804 /trunk/package/lua/luaexpat/ (luaexpat.conf no-config.patch): 
22:28 < CIA-18> * no-config.patch not needed as config file not touched due to the
22:28 < CIA-18>  makefile.patch
22:28 < CIA-18> * fPIC is needed
22:29 < jsaw> mnemoc: see comment on bug #101 (iirc)
22:30 < mnemoc> bug #101??? wtf is that?
22:30 < jsaw> http://trac.t2-project.org/ticket/101
22:30 < morfoh> 2.2.0-alpha-x86-athlon-mnemosyne:
22:30 < morfoh> [5] xorg/xf86-video-i810
22:30 < mnemoc> *g*
22:30 < morfoh> 624 builds total, 369 completed fine, 1 with errors.
22:30 < morfoh> oops
22:30 < morfoh> ;)
22:31 < jsaw> mnemoc: just yesterday...
22:31 < mnemoc> jsaw: -nobashmod ?
22:31 < jsaw> -nobashmod ???
22:31 < mnemoc> let me read it :(
22:33 < mnemoc> i though i have fixed the bug which makes ./scripts/Create-PkgList returns nothing
22:33 < jsaw> mnemoc: btw, there are some 2.1-rc1 entries in track
22:33 < mnemoc> yes, i just noticed
22:33 < jsaw> mnemoc: maybe they can be cleaned...?
22:33 < mnemoc> not sure
22:34 < mnemoc> after i remove this ugly KDE (installing the ayayel i'm building) i'll get deeper on that
22:34 < jsaw> ayayel  *grin*
22:34 < mnemoc> :)
22:35 < jsaw> sounds like some tarzan cry
22:35 < mnemoc> -> Preparing build in src.gettext.ayayel.20060313.233049.19776.haudraufinix
22:35 < mnemoc> *LOL*
22:36 < jsaw> rofl
22:37 < morfoh> :D
22:37 < mnemoc> it's officialy ayayel :)
22:38 < morfoh> :)
22:38 < morfoh> jsaw: I'll package the other stuff from kepplerproject the same way
22:39 < jsaw> anybody around that wants to fix docbook-tools ?
22:39 < mnemoc> it's not that easy
22:39 < mnemoc> it doesn't like openjade
22:39 < morfoh> jsaw: doc* is for dr.'s only :)
22:39 < mnemoc> yeah!
22:39 < jsaw> nono
22:40 < morfoh> :)
22:40 < jsaw> the problem is, we're missing quite some dtd,dsssl,xml,etc. packages
22:40 < morfoh> ack
22:41 < jsaw> the openjade versus jade usage is a simple patch
22:41 < mnemoc> see, your are the only one capable of understanding it's problems
22:41 < morfoh> :)
22:41 < mnemoc> Dr. J
22:42 < jsaw> :p
22:42 < morfoh> sounds like a rapper :)
22:43 < mnemoc> that was the initial idea
22:44 < morfoh> who the f* is Dr.Dre :)
22:44 < mnemoc> Dr. Foh
22:44 < CIA-18> jsaw * r15805 /trunk/package/textproc/docbook-tools/compile-fix.patch: 
22:44 < CIA-18> * first step on fixing docbook-tools: patch to use "openjade"
22:44 < CIA-18>  (not the "jade") command
22:44 < CIA-18> STILL MISSING: a few dependencies (DTDs and such)
22:44 < morfoh> Dr. Foo
22:44 -!- jsaw is now known as Dr_G
22:45 < Dr_G> :p
22:45 < mnemoc> :D
22:45 < morfoh> YO! G!
22:45 < Dr_G> lol
22:47 < valentin> since when ?
22:48 < valentin> gn8
22:48 < morfoh> gn8 valentin 
22:49 < mnemoc> :D
22:49 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin
22:51 < Dr_G> gn8 valentin 
23:01 < rxr> re
23:01 < mnemoc> wb rxr
23:01 < rxr> re
23:01 < mnemoc> wb rxr
23:02 < Dr_G> hi rxr 
23:02 < Dr_G> hi rxr 
23:03 < rxr> hi jsaw and mnemoc
23:05 < mnemoc> how were the meetings?
23:05 < rxr> the apple person let me wait till 18 o'lc
23:06 < rxr> clock and was not that much intresting - to name it politely
23:06 < mnemoc> very kind o_O
23:06 < rxr> I
23:06 < mnemoc> :(
23:06 < rxr> 'll be on cebit tomorow again and go to berlin in the afternoon
23:06 < rxr> susan will come to the office around 13 o'clock
23:06 < mnemoc> ok
23:07 < rxr> maybe you take a deep look into lua to evaulate if it is of interest ... ?
23:08 < mnemoc> Dr_G and morfoh are quite horny with it :)
23:09 < Dr_G> o.O
23:09 < mnemoc> but i feel we should keep config and .conf file like they are and problably compiling them into LUA during Build-Tools... or somehting like that
23:10 < mnemoc> imo the tools may change, but not the package format
23:10 < Dr_G> O.O
23:11 < mnemoc> Dr_G: suggestions to not ugly-fy .desc, .conf, ... files?
23:11 < mnemoc> i guess they could easily be converted into LUA using lex
23:12 < mnemoc> imo their simplicity is one of our strength
23:14 < mnemoc> Dr_G: ?
23:14 < Dr_G> I'd rather use a different shell and patch it for our purposes
23:14 < Dr_G> than translating them jit into lua
23:15 < mnemoc> t2sh?
23:15 < Dr_G> We don't want to end up fixing the shell scripts to match the to-lua lexer...
23:15 < Dr_G> yep, rather t2sh
23:16 < mnemoc> luash :p
23:17 < mnemoc> .oO
23:18 < rxr> n8 all
23:18 < Dr_G> o.O
23:18 < mnemoc> n8 rxr :)
23:19 < Dr_G> gn8 rxr
23:19 < mnemoc> Dr_G: what do you really suggest?
23:19 < Dr_G> somehow, rxr always disappears when we talk about changing the build-system...
23:20 < mnemoc> i'm getting used to that
23:21 < Dr_G> What I suggest:
23:22 < Dr_G> 1. decide what language we will use in the future
23:22 < Dr_G> 1. decide what language we will use in the future
23:22 < Dr_G> 1. decide what language we will use in the future
23:22 < Dr_G> eh, I meant:
23:22 < Dr_G> 1. decide what language we will use in the future
23:22 < Dr_G> 2. decide what language we will use in the future
23:22 < Dr_G> 3. decide what language we will use in the future
23:22 < Dr_G> then
23:23 < Dr_G> 4. think about if we can/should keep the format
23:23 < Dr_G> backward compat is definitely not on my agenda (i should add)
23:24 < mnemoc> i'm not thinking is backward compatibility, just that LUA readability is worse than bourne sh
23:24 < mnemoc> and also worse than .desc [FOO] format
23:25 < Dr_G> depends how you organize it
23:25 < Dr_G> a .desc format in lua could look like this:
23:25 < Dr_G> desc {
23:25 < Dr_G> title = "Some title",
23:25 < Dr_G> long = [[ Some long multi-line description ]],
23:25 < Dr_G> }
23:26 < mnemoc> you have at least two more lines than with [FOO]
23:27 < Dr_G> you argument was readability, not file-length :p
23:27 < mnemoc> :)
23:27 < mnemoc> and your argument against a .desc reader function on LUA (returning the table) ?
23:32 < Dr_G> nothing against it, only how it could look like
23:32 < Dr_G> wow
23:32 < Dr_G> gnash plays my father-in-law's company flash intro
23:33 < mnemoc> the function itself or it's usage?
23:34 < Dr_G> pro: changing .desc to lua syntax makes it easy (and fast) to read
23:34 < mnemoc> sure?
23:34 < mnemoc> and migration costs?
23:35 < Dr_G> that's on the con list
23:35 < Dr_G> the .desc files would be *very* easy to reformat.
23:35 < Dr_G> the problem are the .conf files, .in etal and so on
23:35 < mnemoc> 1) why could a simple reader be slower than '
23:36 < mnemoc> loading' a .lua?
23:36 < mnemoc> 2) what about [D] readability?
23:36 < Dr_G> desc {
23:36 < Dr_G> download = {
23:37 < Dr_G>    checksum = "234092830498203948",
23:37 < Dr_G>     file = "...",
23:37 < Dr_G>    url = "..."
23:37 < Dr_G> etc. etc. etc
23:37 < mnemoc> and you think that's cleaner?
23:37 < mnemoc> imagine openoffice .desc.lua file
23:38 < morfoh> hmmm ... I like .desc
23:38 < Dr_G> or alternatively 
23:38 < Dr_G> download = {
23:38 < Dr_G>   { "1108370264", "ooa680-m1-system.tar.bz2", "..." },
23:38 < Dr_G>    { ... },
23:38 < Dr_G> }
23:39 < mnemoc> and again, why is that better than a reader for the simple^3 format we use now?
23:39  * morfoh is becoming sick ...  uhhhhh ... 
23:39 < Dr_G> morfoh: ?
23:39 < mnemoc> morfoh: of use?
23:39 < mnemoc> us?
23:40 < morfoh> Dr_G: sorry ... no the last "alternativ"
23:40 < morfoh> :)
23:40 < mnemoc> :)
23:40 < morfoh> I enjoy your chat :)
23:40 < Dr_G> why not? what's different to the [D] tag?
23:40 < morfoh> and btw luafilesystem is working :)
23:41 < morfoh> Dr_G: it looks much more cleaner
23:41 < Dr_G> ???
23:41 < Dr_G> how that?
23:41 < morfoh> the current .desc format
23:41 < mnemoc> ack @ morfoh
23:41 < Dr_G> come on, you are joking
23:41 < morfoh> no
23:41 < morfoh> :)
23:42 < morfoh> really ... it must be _human_ readable :)
23:42 < Dr_G> ???
23:42 < Dr_G> harhar
23:42 < morfoh> :)
23:42 < Dr_G> it's not human readable at al
23:42 < Dr_G> all*
23:42 < mnemoc> Dr_G: ask your wife
23:42 < Dr_G> [D] 2099042282 libwpd-0.8.3.tar.gz http://ooo.ximian.com/packages/libwpd/
23:42 < Dr_G> ^^^ ask some non-T2 dev what that means
23:43 < mnemoc> ask a non programer what yours means
23:43 -!- laj [n=laj@0x503e3922.hsnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #t2
23:43 < mnemoc> hi laj
23:43 < Dr_G> I didn't raise the argument mine is human readable
23:43 < laj> hi
23:43 < morfoh> Dr_G: me neither
23:43 < Dr_G> hi laj 
23:43 < mnemoc> [THING] value       clean
23:44 < morfoh> hi laj 
23:44 < Dr_G> 00:45 < morfoh> really ... it must be _human_ readable :)
23:44 < Dr_G> bias
23:44 < morfoh> Dr_G: comon ... normally you're the one you reads carefully :)
23:44 < morfoh> s/you/who/
23:45 < morfoh> I just said the old format is more readable and that the new one _must_ be human readable :)
23:45 < morfoh> or am I  wrong ? :)
23:45 < mnemoc> and i think we should not change .desc format
23:46 < morfoh> ack .. not for that type of alternative
23:46 < mnemoc> and that a .desc reader function is *cheaper* that loading a .lua
23:46 < morfoh> Dr_G: have you done tests ?
23:48 < Dr_G> re
23:48 < Dr_G> yep
23:49 < Dr_G> it's also less memory hungry
23:49 < Dr_G> (strings in lua are fixed)
23:49 < Dr_G> (so, no garbage collector interaction)
23:50 < Dr_G> just a note:
23:50 < mnemoc> LUA .desc reader coded in C wouldn'T have troubles with thatr
23:50 < Dr_G> desc { ... } is effectively a function call, where {} is a table
23:50 < Dr_G> please not C
23:50 < Dr_G> just think about foo-% packages
23:51 < mnemoc> can't a reader do the same?
23:51 < Dr_G> of course it can, but imo more error prone
23:51 < mnemoc> *cheaper* ?
23:52 < Dr_G> ?
23:52 < mnemoc> where?
23:52 < mnemoc> Dr_G: a plain reader is faster than a jit compiler
23:53 < mnemoc> i see it simple enough to be free of weak points
23:55 < Dr_G> even our preload wrapper was simple enough to carry scary C-coding errors (and maybe is still?)
23:56 < mnemoc> a [FIELD] value readers is far more simple and harmless than our preload wrapper
23:56 < Dr_G> but that aside, whatever .desc format we have, the much more interesting question is what we will do with the .conf files
23:57 < mnemoc> i would first port the helpers to lua binaries, on $PATH
23:57 < mnemoc> and then see what left
23:57 < Dr_G> the helpers?
23:58 < mnemoc> and if it's possible make t2sh using the helpers as 'built-in'
23:58 < mnemoc> var_append, hook_add
23:58 < CIA-18> ragnar * r15806 /trunk/package/graphic/pspresent/ (pspresent.conf pspresent.desc): * pspresent: update to 1.3 and fix makefile for lib64 and X11 instead X11R6
23:58 < Dr_G> how that? These cannot be external.
23:58 < mnemoc> why not? ,-)
23:59 < Dr_G> unless you want to have even more environment variables
23:59 < Dr_G> how can you make var_append an external program?
23:59 < mnemoc> var_append is just a list handler
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