--- Log opened Tue Mar 14 00:00:11 2006 --- Day changed Tue Mar 14 2006 00:00 < Dr_G> but it needs access to the variable content 00:00 < mnemoc> see what we do with that 00:00 < Dr_G> if var_append is external, you effectively have to write confopt="$(var_append confopt ' ' "...")" 00:00 < mnemoc> we just define the list, and then dump it somewhere with certain delimiter 00:01 < Dr_G> but it accesses the variable through its name 00:01 < mnemoc> confopt could perfectly be kept on a file until we decide to use that list as arguments 00:01 < mnemoc> for and execution 00:02 < mnemoc> we don't alter /forgeign/ variables 00:02 < mnemoc> just our own 00:02 < Dr_G> var_append CFLAGS 00:02 < mnemoc> where? 00:03 < Dr_G> modutils 00:03 < Dr_G> pam 00:03 < Dr_G> clearsilver 00:03 < Dr_G> pwlib 00:03 < Dr_G> luaexpat 00:03 < Dr_G> gkrellm 00:03 < Dr_G> apapche 00:03 < mnemoc> just those? 00:03 < Dr_G> and a few more 00:04 < mnemoc> in the case we can't do that using the cwrappers, the t2sh's var_append built in function could handle it :) 00:04 < Dr_G> grep "var_append LD" package/*/*/*.conf | wc -l -> 17 00:04 < Dr_G> another set... 00:05 < mnemoc> var_append() { 00:06 < mnemoc> $1=$( binary_var_append $1 $2 $3 ) 00:06 < Dr_G> if we use t2sh, there's no need for lua 00:06 < mnemoc> } 00:07 < mnemoc> well.... my first proposal was to compile simple sh code into LUA 00:07 < Dr_G> why is it such a problem to do a clean fresh design? 00:07 < Dr_G> we know the algorithms 00:07 < mnemoc> ok for .conf..... but for .desc i don't like your proposal 00:07 < Dr_G> do we really have to fear a change of structure? 00:08 < mnemoc> i fear to loose our stronger point, cleanness 00:10 < CIA-18> chris * r15807 /trunk/package/lua/luafilesystem/ (. luafilesystem.conf luafilesystem.desc no-compat-5.1.patch): * added luafilesystem (1.1) 00:10 < mnemoc> i have no problem changing internal tools 00:10 < Dr_G> well, cleaner than the others, yes. But *cleanness*? 00:10 < mnemoc> :) 00:11 < Dr_G> look, we cannot even simply add .desc's in other languages. 00:11 < Dr_G> changing the init system is still a problem 00:11 < mnemoc> [T.de] 00:11 < Dr_G> no flavour settings (like "use A4 paper format by default") 00:11 < mnemoc> ? 00:12 < mnemoc> chaingint the init system is another very different story 00:12 < Dr_G> no 00:12 < Dr_G> it's part of the build-system 00:12 < mnemoc> of course 00:12 < morfoh> gettext should be able to extract msg strings from current desc but it's more easy with Dr_G's proposal 00:13 < Dr_G> O.O 00:13 < Dr_G> .oO(have I done a proposal yet???) 00:13 < Dr_G> .oO(damn, my brain is leaking data) 00:13 < Dr_G> :) 00:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: the difference between both is you how the table reachs the memory 00:13 < morfoh> Dr_G: at least with your described "alternatives" in mind 00:14 < Dr_G> morfoh: oh, that u mean 00:15 < mnemoc> i just say that chaning .desc files doesn't pay 00:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'd also stick with the current format 00:16 < Dr_G> the point about changing the .desc file is to have the scripting power for free 00:16 < Dr_G> especially when foo-% will come 00:16 < morfoh> Dr_G: I know ... it even seems to be attractive to me 00:17 < mnemoc> not for free, migration cost is high, you loose readability and the cost of making a new package gets higher 00:17 < Dr_G> I hate to download ibm-java2-jre-50-linux-i386.tgz, when I only want to build x86_64, is another example 00:18 < mnemoc> Dr_G: me too, and we have a design-solution using .desc files on the mailing list 00:18 < Dr_G> date? 00:18 < mnemoc> should every single package pay an speed up for a few foo-% ? 00:19 < Dr_G> mnemoc: just remind me about the proposal 00:19 < mnemoc> $pkg-$token.desc 00:19 < Dr_G> ah, that. 00:19 < Dr_G> right 00:19 < mnemoc> that way simple package don't ever notice the change 00:20 < Dr_G> but wasn't this solution born out of the problem not to be able to use simple conditions, or arrays? 00:20 < mnemoc> not for me 00:20 < mnemoc> using conditionals as rock does has never been an alternative for me 00:21 < mnemoc> becase in my use case you can get almost infinite combinations 00:22 < mnemoc> a simple example can be: linux, cryptofoobar, vserver, reiserfs4, linux-mm convinations 00:23 < mnemoc> the 'conditions' get out of control 00:23 < Dr_G> what's so different then with $pkg-$token.desc? 00:24 < mnemoc> the .desc file which match is used, and also the extensions are tested to match 00:24 < mnemoc> if it match, i'm happy 00:24 < mnemoc> so they get *merged* instead of branched 00:25 < Dr_G> I still don't get the difference. "match" or "condition", what's the difference? 00:26 < Dr_G> it's only different the way it is implemented 00:26 < mnemoc> one is hardcoded the other is dynamic 00:26 < Dr_G> o.O 00:26 < Dr_G> which one is dynamic? 00:27 < mnemoc> [WHEN] |2\.6 00:27 < mnemoc> [WHEN] mm 00:28 < mnemoc> there is a whole thread about 00:28 < mnemoc> but using this pathetic webmail i can't find it 00:28 < mnemoc> and i wont configure kmail 00:29 < Dr_G> The only thing I say, is, this is not different to conditions. Only that the condition in that case is a token match on a file name. 00:29 < mnemoc> no filename 00:29 < Dr_G> ??? 00:29 < mnemoc> regexp on .desc 00:29 < Dr_G> $pkg-$token.desc 00:29 < Dr_G> ??? 00:29 < mnemoc> $token is used to tell the extenders what branch of the package is been used 00:30 < Dr_G> yes. that's equal to a condition. 00:31 < Dr_G> then comes the regexp on .desc 00:31 < Dr_G> another condition 00:31 < mnemoc> of course everything is true or false 00:32 < mnemoc> but and #IF it's to late go to sleep 00:32 < mnemoc> #else 00:32 < mnemoc> keep coding 00:32 < mnemoc> #endif 00:32 < mnemoc> is less flexible 00:32 < Dr_G> to stay in my alternative: 00:32 < Dr_G> download[$token] = { ... } 00:33 < Dr_G> (just a note, I prefer the split file approach too) 00:33 < mnemoc> linux-2.6-mm-vserver-rsbac-crypto-ska-reiserfs4 .... what's the token? 00:34 < mnemoc> :) 00:34 < Dr_G> that would have be my question for you. 00:34 < Dr_G> been* 00:34 < mnemoc> linux-mm.desc 00:35 < mnemoc> the others token don't match any $pkg-$token.desc 00:35 < mnemoc> so they becase just 'reference' tokens, instructions given by pkgsel 00:35 < mnemoc> on the other side of the world, vserver see it's enabler token on the list 00:36 < Dr_G> so, the condition is: if % contains "mm" then ... 00:36 < mnemoc> yes, but generated 00:36 < Dr_G> o.O 00:37 < Dr_G> linux-mm.desc is not dynamic, it's a generated (by human) file... o.O 00:37 < Dr_G> (i don't get it) 00:37 < mnemoc> linux-mm.desc:[WHEN] mm|braindamage 00:38 < mnemoc> linux-26.desc:[WHEN] |2\.6|2\.6\.95\.15 00:40 < mnemoc> by 'generated' i mean the regexps are just data on which you loop and the logic is on a different place 00:41 < mnemoc> not inside the files 00:41 < mnemoc> like on our .conf and gentoo's ebuilds 00:43 < Dr_G> okay, so it's identical to conditions (nested of course) 00:43 < mnemoc> of course any decition is true or false 00:43 < mnemoc> but the different is where the logic relay 00:43 < mnemoc> difference 00:44 < Dr_G> that's what I said (eh, well intended to say) some 10min before 00:45 < Dr_G> ok. 00:45 < Dr_G> so we effectively have a tree structure here. 00:45 < mnemoc> ack 00:45 < mnemoc> *but* not static 00:45 < Dr_G> no, my question is: is it really more eval to represent such a tree inside a single file? 00:45 < Dr_G> now* 00:45 < mnemoc> next step xml?? 00:46 < mnemoc> 1) keep simple packages simple 00:47 < mnemoc> 2) keep complex packages easy to read by a normal human 00:48 < mnemoc> 3) treat complex packages on a flexible and scalable way without breaking 1 or 2 00:48 < mnemoc> 4) allow flexible extention decitions 00:48 < mnemoc> 5) be able to give arguments using package name 00:49 < mnemoc> example for 5, cross compilers.... you don't want to make a 'branch' of gcc for each possible compiler 00:50 < mnemoc> example for 4) have a kernel with rsbac and one without rsbac 00:53 < Dr_G> tree-like, with lua, it could look like this: 00:53 < Dr_G> (only download tag for now) 00:54 < Dr_G> 1. simple package: 00:54 < Dr_G> download = { ... } 00:54 < Dr_G> 2. single token package: 00:54 < Dr_G> download["token1"] = { ... }, 00:54 < Dr_G> download["token2"] = { ... }, 00:54 < Dr_G> 3. token + when: 00:54 < Dr_G> download["token2"] = { 00:55 < Dr_G> when["mm|whatever"] = { ... }, 00:55 < Dr_G> when["2[.]6|..."] = { ... }, 00:55 < Dr_G> etc. etc. 00:55 < Dr_G> that's what I basically meant with tree-like 00:56 < mnemoc> is that readable? 00:57 < Dr_G> imo as much as if put into multiple files 00:57 < mnemoc> i find is discusting 00:58 < mnemoc> ibmjre-i386.desc:[A] x86 00:59 < mnemoc> ibmjre-i386.desc:[D] 0 ibm-java2-jre-50-linux-i386.tgz manual://.... 00:59 < mnemoc> ibmjre.desc:[V] ... 01:00 < mnemoc> ibmjre-amd64.desc[A] x86-64 01:00 < mnemoc> ibmjre-amd64.desc:[D] 0 ibm-java2-jre-50-linux-amd64.tgz manual://.... 01:00 < mnemoc> is cleaner 01:00 < mnemoc> imo 01:00 < Dr_G> arch["x86"] { download = {} }, arch["x86-64"] = { download = {...} } 01:01 < Dr_G> eh, 01:01 < Dr_G> arch["x86"] { download = {} }, arch["x86-64"] { download = {...} } 01:02 < mnemoc> and the benefit? 01:02 < mnemoc> you can't say that is more readable than mine 01:03 < mnemoc> anyway.... it's damn late 01:03 < Dr_G> i do, simply because it is in _one_ file 01:03 < mnemoc> so? 01:03 < mnemoc> it's amazingly complex 01:03 < Dr_G> easier to edit and review when changing version 01:03 < Dr_G> what? complex? 01:03 < Dr_G> sorry. 01:03 < Dr_G> no. 01:03 < mnemoc> for an experienced developer 01:04 < mnemoc> a person doesn't need to be a developer to do a package 01:04 < mnemoc> on t2 01:04 < Dr_G> you really think editing multiple files is easier for a none-dev? 01:04 < mnemoc> a none-developer wont ever know about branches 01:04 < mnemoc> and the file stay as simple as today 01:05 < mnemoc> and grouping by { ... } is something only developers understand 01:05 < Dr_G> it's definitely easier to remember "title" then [I] 01:05 < mnemoc> [TITLE] is currently supported 01:05 < Dr_G> I know. still nobody uses it. 01:05 < mnemoc> and anyway it's easier to explain on documentation 01:05 < Dr_G> Why? 01:05 < mnemoc> to save keypress 01:06 < Dr_G> most ppl use misc/archive/newpackage.sh 01:06 < mnemoc> sorry, most people don'T use newpackage 01:06 < Dr_G> or they copy another .desc 01:06 < mnemoc> if you take a look on the headers of the new packages sent to the list, they are copies of other packagfes 01:06 < Dr_G> which supports my argument 01:06 < mnemoc> and tehy can do that becase the format is simple enough for them 01:06 < mnemoc> nope 01:07 < mnemoc> a non developer can change a .desc 01:07 < _Ragnar_> why not just [[ $arch == x86 ]] do [D] ..... 01:07 < mnemoc> a non developer will get completly puzzled with the { ... } 01:07 < Dr_G> that's not true. 01:07 < mnemoc> ask your wife to decrypt your sample 01:07 < Dr_G> I myself was extremely puzzled about the [$tag] format 01:08 < mnemoc> at least mine wont understand it 01:08 < mnemoc> i noticed 01:08 < Dr_G> check it. 01:08 < Dr_G> present here both formats 01:08 < mnemoc> which both formats? 01:08 < _Ragnar_> the { } would make the general case much more unreadable 01:08 < mnemoc> .oO( it's late and i have to sleep )o 01:09 < Dr_G> okay. 01:09 < mnemoc> pff 01:09 < mnemoc> any extra character makes reading harder 01:09 < mnemoc> and typos easier 01:09 < CIA-18> chris * r15808 /trunk/package/lua/cgilua/ (. cgilua.conf cgilua.desc): * added cgilua (5.0) 01:09 < mnemoc> thanks morfoh 01:09 < morfoh> :) 01:09 < mnemoc> any comma makes typos even more easy 01:10 < _Ragnar_> don't really like more then one file either tho 01:10 < Dr_G> yep, same applies to multiple files 01:11 < mnemoc> nope, becase there will be no data duplication and each file has a clear meaning 01:12 < Dr_G> 02:02 < mnemoc> ibmjre-i386.desc:[D] 0 ibm-java2-jre-50-linux-i386.tgz 01:12 < _Ragnar_> there will be lots of duplication if you have to tweak a bit for each arch (like a binary filename) 01:12 < Dr_G> 02:03 < mnemoc> ibmjre-amd64.desc:[D] 0 ibm-java2-jre-50-linux-amd64.tgz 01:13 < mnemoc> whre is the duplication? 01:13 < mnemoc> i386 has a download 01:13 < mnemoc> amd64 has a different one 01:14 < Dr_G> exactly. two different files, but the contents have to be adapted ($version) in both files. 01:14 < _Ragnar_> exactly 01:14 < mnemoc> ibmjre-amd64.desc only contains what only applies to amd64 token 01:14 < Dr_G> they _have to be_ duplicated 01:14 < Dr_G> and the duplication is a point of failure 01:14 < _Ragnar_> yea 01:14 < _Ragnar_> in general I'd not look for any furter desc files on an update 01:15 < mnemoc> i don'tz buy your duplication... Update.sh can easily update both 01:15 < _Ragnar_> how does it solve an AI-problem? 01:15 < mnemoc> where is the AI problem? 01:15 < _Ragnar_> [D] 0 ibm-java2-jre-50-linux-amd64.tgz 01:16 < _Ragnar_> no version number? 01:16 < _Ragnar_> is it 2? 01:16 < _Ragnar_> is it 50? 01:16 < _Ragnar_> is it 64? 01:16 < mnemoc> we use what [V] say 01:17 < _Ragnar_> we're looking for a newer version, so no [V] 01:17 < mnemoc> both 01:17 < mnemoc> we change the value of the old [V] with the new version 01:19 < _Ragnar_> so currently there's V 1.2 for amd64, 1.7 for x86, 1.8 for i386 .... 01:19 < _Ragnar_> (possibly) 01:20 < _Ragnar_> so you have to duplicate [V] 01:20 < mnemoc> not duplicated becvause in that smaple you have different values 01:20 < _Ragnar_> huh? 01:21 < mnemoc> and in that sample it's cleaner to have it splited and not muple [V]s on the same file 01:21 < mnemoc> something is duplicated if it's the same on two places 01:22 < _Ragnar_> something is also duplicated if I have to fix things in multiple places 01:25 < mnemoc> mulple [V]s on the same file cause confusion 01:25 < _Ragnar_> why? 01:25 < mnemoc> ok, i want to have 6 different versions of my kernel 01:26 < mnemoc> where is it easier to do changes, on a file which state clearly it's reason for existing 01:27 < _Ragnar_> how'd you name those? 01:27 < mnemoc> linux-2.6.14.desc .... which is what my foobar extender needs 01:27 < mnemoc> which is just an svn cp of anotrher 01:28 < mnemoc> or ever better 01:28 < mnemoc> linux-rtai.desc 01:28 < mnemoc> which has the version rtai needs 01:28 < mnemoc> a simple 'branch' 01:29 < _Ragnar_> ugh 01:29 < _Ragnar_> so you have 10 packages rolled into one? o_o 01:29 < _Ragnar_> how do you select which you want? 01:30 < mnemoc> foo-% 01:30 < mnemoc> X linux-rtai-reiserfs4 01:30 < mnemoc> X linux-reiserfs4 01:30 < _Ragnar_> what will it do for X linux ? 01:30 < sparc-kly> mnemoc: i buy 80gb hard disk you planned continue sparc64 port? 01:31 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: yes, but not soon 01:31 < _Ragnar_> and will it also duplicate the conf files? 01:31 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_:nope, .conf will be just one 01:31 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: and you have some 'flags' and 'arguments 01:31 < mnemoc> ' available 01:32 < mnemoc> which your .conf can decide to consider 01:32 < mnemoc> X linux is the default case of linux package, which match the null regexp 01:32 < sparc-kly> mnemoc : ok 01:33 < mnemoc> for example |2\.6 <--- null or 2.6 01:33 < mnemoc> but only .desc files with a valid [A] should be consider 01:33 < mnemoc> ed 01:33 < mnemoc> so, in ibmjre case both take the null regexp 01:33 < _Ragnar_> huh? 01:34 < mnemoc> just talking about the algorithm :p 01:34 < mnemoc> i shall go to sleep 01:34 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc> but only .desc files with a valid [A] should be consider [A] say which architectur does it support 01:34 < sparc-kly> what time is in there mnemoc? 01:35 < _Ragnar_> your linux-rtai-reiserfs4,linux-reiserfs4,linux-rtai suggest you want forks even for the same arch 01:35 < mnemoc> a .desc with [A] x86 (will be/is) only used of arch=x86 01:35 < mnemoc> not on linux case 01:35 < mnemoc> i don 01:36 < mnemoc> err 01:36 * mnemoc tired 01:36 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: 2:40 01:36 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: and i have to wake up at 6:30 01:36 < _Ragnar_> ok lets continue this tomorrow :) 01:36 < sparc-kly> :S 01:36 < sparc-kly> go to sleep good nights 01:36 < mnemoc> :) 01:36 < _Ragnar_> nini :) 01:37 < mnemoc> gn8 sparc-kly, _Ragnar_, and even Dr_G ,-) 01:37 < Dr_G> gn8 mnemoc 01:38 < Dr_G> I'll leave too, have to think about it.... 01:38 < Dr_G> btw. some time ago (~4years) I almost changed the nick to 01:38 -!- Dr_G is now known as Daddy_G 01:38 < mnemoc> oh 01:39 < Daddy_G> (you know, everybody overhere calls me George...) 01:39 -!- Daddy_G is now known as jsaw 01:39 < mnemoc> :) 01:39 < mnemoc> even your parents? ,-)= 01:39 < mnemoc> even your parents? ,-) 01:39 < jsaw> well, can happen too 01:39 < mnemoc> *g* 01:39 < jsaw> but the german version 01:39 < mnemoc> ok, good night :) 01:40 < jsaw> g'night 01:40 < jsaw> cu all tomorrow 01:42 < mnemoc> cu 01:42 < mnemoc> bye bye 01:42 -!- mnemoc [n=kvirc@e178170068.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 02:18 -!- laj [n=laj@0x503e3922.hsnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 02:20 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.247.78] has joined #t2 02:37 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.51] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:15 -!- Baldzius_ [n=baldzius@85.206.96.189] has joined #t2 04:18 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.96.234] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:24 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@pD9E11FBF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 05:33 -!- mtr [n=Michael@pD9E11A19.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:17 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEEA2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:59 -!- mnemoc [n=kvirc@e178170068.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 06:59 < mnemoc> moin 07:03 -!- mnemoc_ [n=amery@user4-2.tutopia-dialup.ifxnw.cl] has joined #t2 07:04 -!- mnemoc [n=kvirc@e178170068.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 07:05 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 07:10 < valentin> moin 07:10 < mnemoc> moin valentin 07:11 < valentin> can i commit a new package without a .cache file ? 07:11 < mnemoc> yes 07:11 < mnemoc> noone will kill you for that 07:11 < valentin> since emerging works so far 07:12 < mnemoc> but if you already emerged it, it wont be hard to add a .cache :) 07:12 < mnemoc> brb 07:14 < valentin> cu later 07:17 < CIA-18> valentin * r15809 /trunk/package/kde/kopete/ (. kopete.desc): * added kopete (v0.12-beta) 07:17 < valentin> added the messenger tool i dislike most :) 07:17 < valentin> ok, there is some gnome stuff that is worse... 07:18 < valentin> so, have to look after janna now. 07:36 < mnemoc> re 08:01 < mnemoc> bbl 08:50 < rxr> hi 08:50 < rxr> (from cebit) 11:14 -!- Baldzius_ [n=baldzius@85.206.96.189] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:26 -!- sparc-kly_ is now known as sparc-kly 11:34 -!- karasz [n=lion@203.156.190.4] has joined #T2 11:37 -!- karasz [n=lion@203.156.190.4] has quit [Client Quit] 12:27 < owl> moin 12:46 -!- idealm_ [n=ideal@222.67.239.207] has joined #t2 12:46 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEFD47.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 12:47 < morfoh> hi 13:30 < mnemoc> rehi! 13:36 < morfoh> wb mnemoc 13:36 < mnemoc> hi morfoh 13:36 < mnemoc> i got my work permission :) 13:36 < morfoh> hi compaņero :) 13:36 < morfoh> :) 13:36 < mnemoc> but i was about 50 minutes looking for the place on the wrong rathaus :( 13:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: you mean, you taxpaying permission 13:37 < mnemoc> three things 13:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: you were alone ? 13:37 < mnemoc> yep 13:37 < morfoh> how did you communicated in the rathaus ? 13:37 < mnemoc> 1) residence registration, 2) taxcrap and permission to work 13:38 < mnemoc> 3) permission to work 13:38 < mnemoc> morfoh: english, german, dictionary, signs and smiles :) 13:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: I forgot to take in account, that there are might people out there, that find you charming :) 13:40 < mnemoc> :) 13:40 < mnemoc> i even bought food and coffe at the fair in front of the rathous thing 13:41 < morfoh> rathaus schoeneberg ? 13:41 < mnemoc> yep 13:42 < mnemoc> and i was asked for my ticket three! times this morning 13:42 < morfoh> knowing the place quite well, it's 5min. from my old office 13:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah. the headhunters seem to need some more "points" at the end of the quarter 13:44 < mnemoc> morfoh: on the second time i was 5 minutes before expiring :) 13:45 < morfoh> :) 13:45 < mnemoc> do i have 120 minutes before entering the last train or before leaving it? 13:46 < morfoh> hmmm... good question 13:47 < morfoh> but I'd suggest ... leaving 13:47 < mnemoc> safer :) 14:03 < owl> .oO( dammit... why am i reading 'saeufer' O_O ) 14:03 < owl> hi mnemoc , morfoh ;) 14:04 * mnemoc looking at leo 14:05 < mnemoc> oh 14:09 < morfoh> hi owl 14:10 * owl ripping customer's head off :) 14:11 < owl> .oO( "work for bandwith" - might i should not wear this t-shirt while visiting her. dammit. i even don't own this t-shirt *sigh* ) 14:12 < mnemoc> :) 14:12 < owl> that is _not_ funny, mnemoc :) 14:12 < mnemoc> go and get one 14:12 < owl> t-shirt or customer's head? 14:12 < mnemoc> t-shirt :) 14:13 < owl> *g* why? 14:13 < mnemoc> not have something to not wear when you go to see that customer 14:14 < owl> hmpf. well. i have no other customers... cuz htis "customer" is a """friend""" 14:14 < mnemoc> morfoh: steurklasse 'eins' is good or bad? 14:14 < morfoh> bad 14:15 < mnemoc> :( 14:15 < morfoh> didn't they ask for your family ? 14:15 < owl> .oO( to be exact 'steuerklasse 1' means 'work hard, feed germany' ) 14:15 < mnemoc> she wrote their info on the computer 14:15 < mnemoc> damn it 14:16 < mnemoc> maybe i can'T have a better klasse been non-germna 14:16 < owl> full ack. normally yhou sould be able to have another steuerklasse... 14:16 < morfoh> I doubt that it depends on the nationality 14:17 < mnemoc> so, will you call and ask? 14:17 < mnemoc> :D 14:20 < owl> morfoh and beancounters? will that be good for mnemoc 's sake? hrm. 14:20 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.246.109] has joined #t2 14:22 < mnemoc> :( 14:23 < owl> hihi :) 14:29 < CIA-18> amery * r15810 /branches/2.1-test/package/network/samba/samba.desc: * merged 15764 from trunk: updated samba (3.0.21b -> 3.0.21c) 14:31 < CIA-18> chris * r15811 /trunk/package/develop/lua/lua-conf.in: * added install_lua_module and install_lua_doc, simple generic functions to install lua modules and related docs to the right place 14:32 -!- idealm_ [n=ideal@222.67.239.207] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:33 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.67.239.207] has joined #t2 14:37 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178131162.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 14:37 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 14:37 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Mar 11 22:55:45 2006] 14:37 [Users #t2] 14:37 [@ChanServ] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly ] [ _Ragnar_] 14:37 [ CIA-18 ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly_] 14:37 [ idealm ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sepp_] [ valentin ] 14:37 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 14:37 -!- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp 14:37 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 14:37 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.247.78] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:38 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 41 secs 14:42 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178170068.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:42 -!- You're now known as rxr 14:43 < CIA-18> chris * r15812 /trunk/package/lua/luasocket/ (. config-no-compat-5.1.patch luasocket.conf luasocket.desc): * added luasocket (2.0) 14:43 < morfoh> hi rxr 14:47 < rxr> hi 14:50 < CIA-18> amery * r15813 /trunk/package/network/keepalived/keepalived.desc: * updated keepalived (1.1.11 -> 1.1.12) 14:51 < mnemoc> hi rxr 14:56 < owl> hi rxr 15:03 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.67.239.207] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:44 -!- sparc-kly__ [n=mubex@adsl-72-50-96-61.prtc.net] has joined #t2 15:48 < CIA-18> amery * r15814 /branches/mnemoc/: * removed mnemoc's empty branch 15:58 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178160237.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 15:58 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 15:58 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Mar 11 22:55:45 2006] 15:58 [Users #t2] 15:58 [@ChanServ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr_] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly__] 15:58 [ CIA-18 ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sepp_ ] [ valentin ] 15:58 [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly_] [ _Ragnar_ ] 15:58 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 15:58 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 15:58 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 15:59 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 42 secs 16:05 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.246.109] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:14 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178131162.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:24 < LMJ> moin 16:24 < morfoh> hi LMJ 16:24 < LMJ> how are you morfoh ? 16:25 < morfoh> LMJ: thanks ... quite well. and you ? 16:26 < LMJ> fine, thanks, back from work 16:32 < CIA-18> chris * r15815 /trunk/package/develop/lua/lua-conf.in: 16:32 < CIA-18> * changed function names (install_lua_module -> install_lua_module_src and install_lua_doc -> install_lua_module_doc 16:32 < CIA-18> * added check for a "doc" directory within modules src before trying to copy the docs 16:32 < CIA-18> * added function install_lua_modules which simply calls install_lua_module_src and install_lua_module_doc functions 16:34 < CIA-18> chris * r15816 /trunk/package/lua/luasocket/luasocket.conf: * changed called function in postmake hook from install_lua_doc -> install_lua_module_doc to reflect recent changes in lua-conf.in (r15815) 16:39 < CIA-18> chris * r15817 /trunk/package/lua/venv/ (. venv.conf venv.desc): * added venv (1.1) 16:44 < CIA-18> chris * r15818 /trunk/package/lua/copas/ (. copas.conf copas.desc): * added copas (1.0) 16:46 < CIA-18> chris * r15819 /trunk/package/security/libvserver/libvserver.desc: * updated libvserver (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2) 17:00 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178186078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:00 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 17:00 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Mar 11 22:55:45 2006] 17:00 [Users #t2] 17:00 [@ChanServ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr_] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin] 17:00 [ CIA-18 ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sepp_ ] [ _Ragnar_] 17:00 [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly__] 17:00 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 17:00 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 17:00 -!- [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 17:01 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 36 secs 17:07 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178160237.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:15 < CIA-18> rene * r15820 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: 17:15 < CIA-18> * added scribus and xkill to the desktop target and fixed a typo on 17:15 < CIA-18> docbook-tools 17:16 < CIA-18> pfister * r15821 /trunk/target/archivista/download.txt: 17:16 < CIA-18> * updated the archivista avision driver overwrite to the latest SVN code 17:16 < CIA-18> with the vast performance enhancements 17:20 < rxr> ouhm 19:00 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:00 < misl> hi folks :) 20:43 < valentin> re 20:56 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.69.3 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 21:08 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p83.129.176.66.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 21:29 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.141.198.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:57 < morfoh> rehi 23:19 < mnemoc> hi :) 23:20 < morfoh> wb mnemoc :) 23:21 < morfoh> it took quite long :p 23:21 < mnemoc> i forgot to say goodbye to Mr. Gentoo 23:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: :) 23:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: ah! don't worry ... I'll greet him tomorrow :) 23:22 < mnemoc> :) 23:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, any ideas what else I can do other than setting CFLAGS, LDFLAGS or LD_RUN_PATH that ld will find -lldap ? 23:23 < mnemoc> injecting -I and -L doesn't work? 23:23 < morfoh> no 23:23 < mnemoc> uhm 23:23 < morfoh> lualdap module :( 23:23 < mnemoc> ./debug.sh 23:25 < morfoh> libldap-2.3.so.0 => /opt/openldap/lib/libldap-2.3.so.0 (0xb7f7d000) :) 23:25 < mnemoc> o_O 23:26 < mnemoc> so, what was it? 23:26 < morfoh> it builds now 23:27 < morfoh> LDFLAGS doesn't matter, have to inject -L by CFLAGS :/ 23:27 < mnemoc> why not gcc wrapper? 23:28 < morfoh> how should I do this ? 23:28 < morfoh> GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND or how was it called ? 23:28 < mnemoc> grep GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND -r package 23:28 < morfoh> okok :) 23:29 < mnemoc> CFLAGS and LDFLAGS and... are to weak 23:29 < mnemoc> too* 23:29 < morfoh> so you'd prefer to use GCC_WRAPPER_* 23:29 < mnemoc> yes 23:41 < morfoh> works even 23:49 < CIA-18> chris * r15822 /trunk/package/lua/lualdap/ (. config-no-compat-5.1.patch lualdap.conf lualdap.desc): * added lualdap (1.0) 23:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: where was this lua ajax stuff ? 23:52 < morfoh> http://www.keplerproject.org/xavante/sajax.html --- Log closed Wed Mar 15 00:00:23 2006