--- Log opened Sat Apr 29 00:00:10 2006 00:00 < Baldzius> hi sepp :) 00:21 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.67.232.135] has joined #t2 00:43 < morfoh> Baldzius: hey farm boy :) 00:44 < morfoh> sepp: turn on your machine again ... I'd like to see the t2-brown-coal-release :) 01:05 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.67.232.135] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:09 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.90] has joined #t2 01:26 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.134.84.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 01:36 < morfoh> gn8 folks :) 01:36 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.145.34.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:57 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEEF2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:48 -!- madtux [i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:31 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.90] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:32 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.90] has joined #t2 07:13 -!- laj [n=laj@0x503e3922.hsnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #t2 07:48 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 07:49 < misl> hi folks :) 08:06 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.90] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:12 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:53 -!- sparc-kly__ [n=mubex@64.237.254.152] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:53 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.252.130] has joined #t2 09:08 -!- veki [n=vedran@gw.gnucentar.org.yu] has joined #t2 09:11 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.90] has joined #t2 09:39 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178182126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 09:39 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 09:39 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Mar 11 22:55:45 2006] 09:39 [Users #t2] 09:39 [@ChanServ] [ idealm] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_ ] [ tdi ] [ _Ragnar_] 09:39 [ Baldzius] [ laj ] [ mtr_ ] [ sepp_ ] [ valentin] 09:39 [ CIA-7 ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly_] [ veki ] 09:39 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 09:39 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 09:39 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 09:39 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 16 secs 09:55 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178161096.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:08 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.134.84.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:19 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.90] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:01 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.67.232.135] has joined #t2 11:31 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEEF2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 11:31 < morfoh> moin 11:32 < veki> moin 11:32 < morfoh> hi veki 11:33 < veki> morfoh: I am writing article about role of NGOs in economic growth by using free software and open hardware. If you liek I can mentione some of your efforts too 11:34 < mnemoc> veki: hi, in what language? :) 11:34 < morfoh> veki: but t2 is no NGO 11:36 < veki> in egnlish, 11:37 < veki> it i snot necessary that it is legal entity, it may be civic intiative as it is t2 11:42 < veki> I will give you copy for reading of course, the most probably tonight 11:43 < veki> so you can comment 11:43 < veki> and please feel free to do so 11:49 * mnemoc wants it too :p 11:51 < veki> ok, good, my E-mail is: vedran.vucic@gmail.com so just send me your test mail so I can reply on it tonight and attach article to it. 11:59 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 12:00 < veki> guys, I have to go now, but I will be back tonight 12:00 < veki> cu :-) 12:01 -!- veki [n=vedran@gw.gnucentar.org.yu] has left #t2 [] 12:04 < Baldzius> good morning 12:05 < CIA-7> aldas * r17275 /trunk/package/gnome2/gok/gok.desc: * updated gok (1.0.7 -> 1.0.8) 12:06 < CIA-7> aldas * r17276 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdm/gdm.desc: * updated gdm (2.14.3 -> 2.14.4) 12:06 < mnemoc> go aldas go 12:06 < Baldzius> :) 12:08 < CIA-7> aldas * r17277 /trunk/package/python/sip/sip.desc: * updated sip (4.4.2 -> 4.4.3) 12:11 < morfoh> hi Baldzius :) 12:11 < Baldzius> moin morfoh :) 12:11 < morfoh> :) 12:47 < misl> hi folks :) 12:51 < morfoh> oh! look ... who is showing up. seems that the playground isn't interesting anymore :) 12:51 < morfoh> hi misl :) 12:51 < mnemoc> *G* 12:51 -!- You're now known as rxr 12:51 < misl> hi morfoh, mnemoc :) 12:51 < rxr> moin misl 12:51 < rxr> hi all 12:51 < misl> hi rxr :) 12:51 < morfoh> hi rxr 12:54 < mnemoc> hi misl, rxr 13:10 < CIA-7> aldas * r17278 /trunk/package/database/mysql/mysql.desc: * updated mysql (5.0.20a -> 5.0.21) 13:23 < rxr> Baldzius: do you update the indivicual xorg releases? 13:23 < rxr> Baldzius: I hope not, since I'm mostly done with them ,-) 13:26 < Baldzius> rxr: no, i 'm not :) 13:26 < Baldzius> rxr: don't forget fontconfig :) 13:41 < morfoh> rxr: what is status of updating qt to 4.1.x ? have you run tests yet ? 14:10 < rxr> there is no such option as updating 14:10 < rxr> adding a second package if someone wants it 14:11 < rxr> but 99% of the software will need qt3 for at least the next year++ 14:11 < morfoh> rxr: ic 14:12 < rxr> kde 4 will be out around xmas this year or later ... 14:12 < morfoh> rxr: I've seen the roadmap of kde4 and they plan a first technical preview in october 14:13 < morfoh> rxr: but I agree with you in better adding a qt4 package 14:44 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:07 < CIA-7> rene * r17279 /trunk/package/xorg/fixesproto/fixesproto.desc: * updated fixesproto (3.0.2 -> 4.0) 15:07 < CIA-7> rene * r17280 /trunk/package/xorg/fontconfig/fontconfig.desc: * updated fontconfig (2.3.94 -> 2.3.95) 15:07 < CIA-7> rene * r17281 /trunk/package/xorg/fstobdf/fstobdf.desc: * updated fstobdf (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2) 15:07 < CIA-7> 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/trunk/package/xorg/xset/xset.desc: * updated xset (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2) 15:12 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.134.84.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 15:13 < sepp> hello 15:14 < morfoh> hi "brown coal" sepp :) 15:14 < sepp> hehe, hi morfoh 15:15 < morfoh> sepp: can you publish your t2-brown-coal-release.jpg again ? :) 15:15 < morfoh> I'd like to see it :) 15:15 < sepp> lol - i see you are very gdr nostalgic 15:16 < morfoh> sepp: no ... I just would like to see it because I was coming home to late :) 15:17 < sepp> http://213.54.134.84/t2-brown-coal-release.jpg - lol 15:17 < morfoh> :D 15:18 < mnemoc> oh 15:18 < sepp> rotfl 15:18 < mnemoc> how long can the brown coal be heating? 15:19 < sepp> no clue 15:26 -!- mtr [n=Michael@pD9E1347D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 15:26 < mnemoc> wb mtr 15:26 < morfoh> wb mtr :) 15:27 < morfoh> mtr: how is your _huge_ family going ? :) 15:42 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@pD9E12246.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:43 [Users #t2] 15:43 [@ChanServ] [ idealm] [ misl ] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly_] [ _Ragnar_] 15:43 [ Baldzius] [ laj ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ tdi ] 15:43 [ CIA-7 ] [ LMJ ] [ morfoh] [ sepp] [ valentin ] 15:43 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 16:19 < mnemoc> fall over him 16:20 < morfoh> oh :) 17:42 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200.70.160.150] has joined #t2 18:24 -!- keinek [n=keinek@200.70.160.150] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:33 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:54 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.67.232.135] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:06 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:15 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.69.3 [Firefox 1.5.0.2/2006030804]"] 19:34 -!- morfoh_ [n=morfoh@p54BEF651.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 19:35 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEEF2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:35 -!- morfoh_ is now known as morfoh 19:36 < tdi> re 19:36 < tdi> 17:24 < mnemoc> how long can the brown coal be heating? 19:36 < tdi> lol 19:36 < morfoh> tdi: wb tdi :) 20:41 -!- veki [n=vedran@gw.gnucentar.org.yu] has joined #t2 20:42 < tdi> brown coal 20:43 < mnemoc> o_O 20:43 < mnemoc> wb veki 20:44 < veki> hi 20:44 < veki> I am finishing article I told you about. I need 30 minutes or so to finish it and I will come back 20:45 < mnemoc> :) 20:45 < veki> :-) 20:45 < veki> I will send you copy of it for comments 20:46 < mnemoc> thanks ::) 20:47 < tdi> what am i paying for 20:47 < veki> ok ;) 20:47 < tdi> canal+ what a shit 20:47 < tdi> only crappy stupid films 20:49 < CIA-7> sebastian * r17319 /trunk/package/graphic/aqsis/: * removed aqsis package 20:50 < mnemoc> oh 20:52 < sepp> broken beyond repair and authors do everything to refuse fixes, help, bugreports ... 20:52 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.252.130] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:53 < sepp> and it was my package 20:53 < mnemoc> ok ok :( 20:53 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@64.237.253.137] has joined #t2 20:53 < tdi> do you have mpich package ? 20:53 < tdi> and pvm package in t2 ? 20:55 < tdi> morfoh: if t2 is ddk not a regular distro how do you use it 20:56 < sepp> ddk? 20:56 < tdi> distro develp. kit 20:57 < mnemoc> there is a quick start at the web site 20:57 < tdi> i assume u use it @home 20:57 < tdi> i am jus asking if u use it 20:57 < tdi> is it usable as a regular distro 20:57 < tdi> like debian or other gentoos or sth 20:58 < sepp> yes - but its not like debian so you do not get 9dvd's with binaries 20:58 < tdi> yes i know 20:59 < tdi> is it usable ? 20:59 < tdi> i expect binary answer 20:59 < sepp> true 20:59 < mnemoc> yes 20:59 < tdi> cool 21:00 < tdi> so if i install package that is not in the t2 distro 21:00 < tdi> i have to make it install its configuration files to /etc/conf? 21:00 < mnemoc> o_O 21:01 < tdi> A full build of the desktop target takes about three days on a 3 Ghz Athlon 64. 21:01 < tdi> not possible 21:02 < sepp> that means to compile a desktop target that includes kde/gnome 21:03 < tdi> yes 21:03 < tdi> not possible 21:03 < tdi> it takes less time 21:03 < sepp> does it really takes 3 days? 21:03 < tdi> 3ghz it takes max 12h 21:04 < sepp> i am sure it takes >12h :) 21:05 < sepp> but maybe 3 days for desktop target on a x86-64 is a bit too long 21:05 < tdi> yes it is 21:05 < mnemoc> but 2 day is ok i think 21:05 < tdi> kde gentoo system on my 1.86 machine took 6j 21:05 < tdi> 6h 21:07 < tdi> so when i build t2 21:07 < tdi> i have to write my own package management ? 21:07 < tdi> to have pkg dependencies and so on 21:10 < tdi> ./scripts/Create-ISO my_own_t2 bootdisc system 21:10 < tdi> i like that 21:12 < sepp> if you use trunk you do not need a extra bootdisk target 21:14 < tdi> so how do you all use t2 as distro ? 21:14 < tdi> just like that ? 21:16 < mnemoc> i don't use t2 as distro, i use azazel as desktop, sedu, lamassu, sheba, menrva, entvoice, ... as servers ... all t2-powered. 21:17 < tdi> yes that is what i meant 21:17 < tdi> but u use t2 as your system 21:19 < mnemoc> my system use a distribution created and maintained using t2 :) 21:21 < mnemoc> t2 is a tool 21:21 < mnemoc> and a framework 21:23 < tdi> so it your own private distribution yes? 21:24 < mnemoc> not really private, there are 7 machines running the same build... and one with some extra things running on my desktop 21:25 < tdi> what i mean : self made 21:25 < mnemoc> t2-powered :) 21:25 < mnemoc> but yes, i defined it 21:26 < tdi> pity i have no time to write my own packaging system 21:26 < tdi> but if i had i would wrie it in perl 21:31 < sepp> i like it because it is not hard to make your own "system" with exactly the packages you want/need - and not something with gnome/kde/whatever that you will never use 21:31 < tdi> ahh i understand 21:32 < tdi> so i have to think _before_ i make my own specific installation 21:32 < tdi> i define, build and install on a machine it fit logically to 21:32 < tdi> to which i defined _it_ to work on ? 21:34 < mnemoc> ack 21:34 < tdi> so i am begiining to undestand 21:35 < mnemoc> you have to live t2 to understand it :) 21:35 < tdi> it is static apporach 21:35 < mnemoc> o_O 21:35 < tdi> staically buit 21:35 < tdi> built 22:21 < morfoh> tdi :D 23:53 -!- veki [n=vedran@gw.gnucentar.org.yu] has left #t2 [] --- Log closed Sun Apr 30 00:00:17 2006