--- Log opened Sat May 06 00:00:54 2006
00:15 < karasz> morfoh: still around?
00:28 < morfoh> (mnemoc) he is sleeping
00:30 < karasz> wondering if you know about cinepaint...
00:30 < morfoh> know about, yes. know it, no.
00:31 < karasz> the specs are lookin good...
00:31 < karasz> i guess i'll try it out once i will run a monkey ;)
00:31 < morfoh> (mnemoc) ask sepp :)
00:31 < morfoh> :)
00:34 < karasz> right now i have nothing to ask, it just looks like an old gimp pumped with steroids
00:37 < karasz> well, i guess that's it for now, my sleeping cycle is overdue.....
00:37 < karasz> cu all later
00:40 < morfoh> gn8 karasz 
01:08 < mnemoc> F* initrd! F* F* F*
01:08 < mnemoc> i'll better go to sleep :\
01:08 < mnemoc> gn8 t2
01:08 < mnemoc> #t2
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08:50 < CIA-7> rene * r17376 /trunk/package/network/apache/apache.init: 
08:50 < CIA-7> * improved apache.init to wait until the httpd is really up and running
08:50 < CIA-7>  or down, otherwise scripting is a major pain
08:56 < CIA-7> rene * r17377 /trunk/package/contrib/fusionsound/fusionsound.desc: * polished fusionsound.desc
09:04 < CIA-7> rene * r17378 /trunk/package/base/lsof/lsof.desc: * updated lsof (4.76 -> 4.77)
09:07 < CIA-7> rene * r17379 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (2.30 -> 2.31)
09:07 < CIA-7> rene * r17380 /trunk/package/mail/exim/exim.desc: * updated exim (4.61 -> 4.62)
09:08 < CIA-7> rene * r17381 /trunk/package/develop/git/git.desc: * updated git (1.3.0 -> 1.3.2)
09:09 < CIA-7> rene * r17382 /trunk/package/develop/uncrustify/uncrustify.desc: * updated uncrustify (0.0.16 -> 0.0.17)
09:09 < CIA-7> susan * r17383 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdm/gdm.desc: * updated gdm (2.14.4 -> 2.14.5)
09:10 < CIA-7> rene * r17384 /trunk/package/www/dillo/dillo.desc: * updated dillo (0.8.5 -> 0.8.6)
09:15 < mnemoc> rxr: hi, any success on the gtk issue?
09:16 < rxr> nope, because I have not work on that issue full-time
09:17 < CIA-7> susan * r17385 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-system-monitor/gnome-system-monitor.desc: * updated gnome-system-monitor (2.14.1 -> 2.14.2)
09:19 < rxr> mnemoc: and on your sid e?
09:21 < mnemoc> rxr: nothing
09:22 < rxr> nothing done or nothing found ?
09:22 < mnemoc> in my particular side, nothing done
09:23 < mnemoc> in fact i returned to 2.1 on my desktop
09:25 < rxr> I did some testing and bugged the xorg people
09:25 < rxr> nothing yet
09:25 < rxr> but if there is no definet idea from them I'll start rebuilding the former packages until it works again ...
09:31 < mnemoc> that's what morfoh was doing
09:31 < rxr> any, result any ?
09:32 < rxr> and, ...
09:33 < rxr> mnemoc: did you test this gtk thing on x86 or a 64bit arch?
09:36 < CIA-7> susan * r17386 /trunk/package/gnome2/gst-plugins-good/gst-plugins-good.desc: * updated gst-plugins-good (0.10.2 -> 0.10.3)
09:38 < mnemoc> rxr: x86
09:39 < mtr> moin
09:39 < mnemoc> rxr: he discarded pango and the ati driver, but i don't know what else
09:39 < mnemoc> moin mtr 
09:40 < mtr> hi mnemoc
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09:48 [Users #t2]
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09:58 < mnemoc> mtr: you could send the patch to the list and if noone screams, commit :)
09:58 < CIA-7> mtr * r17387 /trunk/package/contrib/directfb/ (directfb.conf directfb.desc): * updated directfb (0.9.24 -> 0.9.25.1)
09:58 < CIA-7> mtr * r17390 /trunk/package/e17/entrance/ (entrance.conf entrance.postinstall): 
09:58 < CIA-7> * fixed entranced configuration: xorg binary is in X11R7
09:58 < CIA-7> * fixed postinstall: config file format has changed: edb_db is substituted by ecore_config
10:00 < CIA-7> mtr * r17391 /trunk/package/perl/perl-digest-hmacmd5/ (. perl-digest-hmacmd5.cache perl-digest-hmacmd5.desc): * added perl-digest-hmacmd5 (1.01) - A perl module for HMAC MD5
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10:01 < morfoh> hi
10:02 < rxr> mtr: when you are at this, better change X11R6 to just X11, so we do not have to patch it for X11R8 in 10 years ,-)
10:02 < rxr> (and it works on all systems including older ones ,-)
10:02 < morfoh> .oO( I thought I had commited that change ... sorry )o
10:03 < morfoh> rxr: did you found sth. regarding the X problem ?
10:06 < rxr> yes
10:06 < morfoh> rxr: shouldN't we revert to a known working version of xorg stuff ?
10:06 < rxr> *xfixes 4.0
10:06 < morfoh> uh
10:06 < rxr> morfoh: of course we should have a working x
10:06 < rxr> however we had to find the real cause first
10:11 < morfoh> rxr: does it mean that the problem is within xfixes and reverting the thing waa successful solving the problem temporary ? 
10:11 < rxr> yes
10:11 < rxr> but please do not do so on trunk
10:12 < rxr> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6786
10:13 < morfoh> rxr: yep .... I'll not revert anything ;)
10:13 < morfoh> thanks 
10:13 < morfoh> for the link :)
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10:27 < LMJ> moin moin
10:28 < morfoh> moin moin LMJ :)
10:31 < LMJ> i'm doing a little script who manage a couple of files, but it also have to modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf (add or remove a line), how can i deal with that since my user is not root ? sudo seems the way to go, but it forces to have installed, another solution ?
10:37 < rxr> not really
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10:37 < rxr> when you woudl write a binary you could set uid root it
10:37 < rxr> but you can not for this for scripts
10:38 < rxr> a wrapper binary would do, but then you are near sudo as well
11:00 < CIA-7> rene * r17392 /trunk/architecture/powerpc/config.in: * removed duplicate G5 optimization entry in the powerpc config options
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13:55 < misl> hi folks :)
13:56 < tdi> moin
14:18 < morfoh> hey misl ... how are you ? long time not seen!  :)
14:18 < morfoh> hi tdi 
14:19 < misl> hi morfoh 
14:19 < misl> been busy and sick, sick being busy and busy being sick :)
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14:26 < tdi> morfoh: ping
14:26 < tdi> morfoh: please send me info about you 
14:26 < tdi> I am a blablabla...
14:26 < tdi> i do blablabla
14:26 < tdi> etc
14:27 < karasz> moin
14:27 < karasz> 'Well kiddo, back hoem you were a big fish in a small pond, but out here is the ocean, and it looks to me that you are drawning...'
14:28 < morfoh> hi tavarish karasz 
14:28 < karasz> hello kommrad morfoh
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15:05 < rxr> sepp: it was you with the RGBA image, nope ?
15:17 < sepp> yup
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15:28 < rxr> sepp: I have checkboard support now
15:28 < rxr> do you have time to test?
15:28 < rxr> (otherwise I'll just release to the wild ,-)
15:29 < sepp> sure - i can test it
15:29 < rxr> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/exact-image/trunk exact-image-trunk
15:29 < rxr> --typos
15:29 < sepp> hehe 
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15:36 < rxr> oh
15:36 < rxr> contains a typo for intel and co
15:36 < rxr> svn up  ,-)
15:36 < sepp> typo 
15:36 < rxr> (me using the ppcc64 too much these days ,-)
15:37 < sepp> i see checker pattern :)
15:38 < rxr> so all fine now ?
15:38 < sepp> yup 
15:39 < sepp> checked a few images with alpha channel 
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15:42 < sepp> well, no checker on jpeg
15:43 < sepp> lol - sorry, that one had really some black there
15:44 < rxr> can jpeg store an alpha channel?
15:45 < sepp> no thats why there was none 
15:45 < sepp> hehe
15:45 < rxr> hm, magick convert does not preserve an alpha channel for jpeg either
15:45 < rxr> ok, I release then - if you have not a showstopper at hand
15:46 < sepp> no :)
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15:48 < rxr> sepp: the next exact-image major version (0.1.0) will have support for decompress on access, allowing specialized functions to work on compressed data
15:49 < sepp> just forgot to type the leading 'e' to open a really fat tif - without that its is no fun
15:49 < rxr> that is -density nxm will not recompress jpeg files and --rotate {90,180,270} will be lossless on jpeg
15:49 < rxr> and that will make econvert stand way over convert even in the 0.1 version range ,-)
15:50 < sepp> 1s with edisplay - 11s with display for the same file
15:50 < sepp> :)
15:52 < rxr> yep, despite blit-ing the image completely into a evas image object ,-)
15:52 < rxr> the checkboard background implementation is nice, a 2x2 pixel image scaled and repeated over the area via evas itself
15:58 < CIA-7> rene * r17393 /trunk/package/graphic/exact-image/ (exact-image.desc rgba-hotfix.patch): * updated exact-image (0.0.9 -> 0.0.10)
16:05 < _Ragnar_> did you do the right checksum?:)
16:13 < tdi> morfoh: full plan , page updated - piwo.informatyka.org
16:14  * michal` gets ticket trains
16:14 < michal`> or even train's tickets ;p
16:17 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ?
16:19 < _Ragnar_> for exactimage ;)
16:23 < rxr> I think so
16:23 < rxr> do you get another ?
16:24 < _Ragnar_> ok works ;)
16:31 < mnemoc> tdi: the 'plan' looks *very* ugly, tray to remove the line breaks and align justify
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16:35 < mnemoc> rxr: FYI there is a bug on grub's "Boot Drive" detection. i'm bootding from (hd0) with kernel files at (hd1,0) but it is offering "Boot Drive" (hd0,16)
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17:30 < rxr> 2.1 trunk or both?
17:30 < rxr> maybe you can track it down?
17:31 < mnemoc> rxr: trunk.... it's a remote machine, i can't play much
17:31 < mnemoc> rxr: but it'S probably on both
17:33 < rxr> is hd0,16 a typo ?
17:37 < morfoh> rxr: it's not a typo ... this funny thing was "detected"
17:37 < morfoh> neverthenless it wasn't existing
17:38 < rxr> why should it have been exiting ?
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17:54 < morfoh> wb dsoul :)
17:54 < tdi> moin dsoul 
17:55 < mnemoc> dsoul! great to see you around again :)
17:55 < dsoul> hi :>
17:58 < dsoul> irssi config "repaired" :]
17:58 < dsoul> { name = "#t2"; chatnet = "freenode"; autojoin = "Yes"; },
17:59 < mnemoc> isn't it there by default?
17:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: o_O
17:59 < morfoh> -_-
17:59 < mnemoc> :)
18:00 < dsoul> there was but commented :/
18:00 < mnemoc> :(
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18:27 < misl> :)
18:28 < morfoh> misl: boy what are doing here ? :)
18:28 < morfoh> misl: wb :)
18:29 < mnemoc> finally! the remote updated of this opteron from debian 32 to T2/Sheba 64 finished :)
18:30  * mnemoc wants to continue on another opteron
18:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: well ... congratulations :p
18:31 < mnemoc> thanks :)
18:56 < misl> hi morfoh, mnemoc
18:56 < misl> morfoh: sorry I' m lost
18:56 < misl> I'll be leaving again in a  few minutes :)
18:56 < morfoh> misl: oh! why that ?
18:57 < morfoh> misl: 2.6.16.11-dist #1 SMP Sat May 6 11:41:30 CEST 2006 x86_64 unknown unknown GNU/Linux <-- opteron ;)
18:58 < misl> morfoh: whose opteron?
18:59 < mnemoc> yours is the next
18:59 < morfoh> misl: remote machine
18:59 < morfoh> misl: 2.2 + vserver
18:59 < misl> morfoh: remote where?
19:00 < misl> hmm, interesting
19:00 < morfoh> misl: you're not at work atm :p
19:00 < mnemoc> misl: do you want the iso?
19:00 < morfoh> misl: the image is on noisy
19:00 < misl> mnemoc: it's all yours from about 7:30 till 19:30 :)
19:00 < mnemoc> misl: i can't just remove everything on that machine
19:01 < mnemoc> misl: i would prefer you destroying it :)
19:01 < misl> mnemoc: the only thing on there is t2 :)
19:01 < mnemoc> :)
19:02 < mnemoc> i need your help to do it anyway
19:02 < morfoh> misl: anyway ... you have to take a hand on it :)
19:02 < mnemoc> in the case of the other remote machien i had two disks to play
19:02 < mnemoc> it's much easier if you burn the iso and install
19:03 < misl> ack, Maybe I'll give it a try next weekend. If time allows :(
19:03 < misl> Tomorrow I am off to my parents
19:03 < mnemoc> (
19:03 < mnemoc> :(
19:04 < misl> btw, vserveris nice but how about Xen?
19:06 < mnemoc> it's also on the todo, but XEN is not yet integrated on t2
19:15 < mnemoc> misl: imo it's very important to get a real x86-64 enviroment and well structured machine on noisy asap
19:16 < mnemoc> misl: and something to contain the noise :p
19:22 < rxr> mnemoc: what would a real x86-64 environment bring ?
19:26 < mnemoc> rxr: the 64 bits libraries localed where T2 expect to find them at stage 0 and 1 for example
19:29 < mnemoc> T2 is far more mature now on the 64 bits field than when you installed noisy the first time
19:30 < rxr> noisy has 32bit user-land there should be nothing that interferes with whatever due to library positions or so
19:31 < mnemoc> so the problem is deeper than what i thought, because the more complex builds i have tried on noisy fail very early
19:31 < mnemoc> and i was hoping it was the 32 bits user-land
19:31 < tdi> does t2 support 135bit ?
19:32 < rxr> 135 ?
19:33 < rxr> well, t2 supports what gcc and the related OS kernels are able to generate code for / run on ...
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20:23 < rxr> for anyone interested, with some proof of concept quality of code econvert can no rewrite original DCT coefficients of jpeg files when just the resolution meta data is tweaked
20:23 < rxr> later more and so on ...
20:23 < rxr> cu then
20:26 < rxr> oh and btw http://maps.google.com/?om=1&spn=0.005371,0.009892&ll=38.871013,-77.055858&t=k
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20:28 [Users #t2]
20:28 [@ChanServ] [ karasz] [ michal`] [ morfoh] [ rxr_] [ valentin] 
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21:59 < karasz> re
22:06 < mnemoc> wb karasz 
22:06 < karasz> thx mnemoc 
22:06 < karasz> how are things rolling?
22:07 < mnemoc> except my crashing open office everything good, and you?
22:07 < karasz> ooo allways crush, for one reason or the other...
22:08 < mnemoc> i have been unable to finish a presentation i'm doing :\
22:08 < karasz> i renounced ooo some time ago, Abi and GNumeric seem to hold their horses better
22:08 < mnemoc> i guess i'll jump back to latex
22:08 < mnemoc> but for presentations there is nothing on gtk
22:09 < karasz> at least not that i know of...
22:14 < morfoh> moin tavarish karasz :)
22:14 < morfoh> karasz: tavarish ... how was the nap ? 
22:14  * morfoh hides
22:14 < mnemoc> *G*
22:17 < karasz> mnemoc: MagicPoint eventualy?
22:17 < karasz> morfoh: i don't know anything about your nap....
22:18 < karasz> gor magicpoint http://member.wide.ad.jp/wg/mgp/
22:18 < karasz> latex preprocessor fot magicpoint http://cens.ioc.ee/projects/mgppp/
22:19 < morfoh> karasz: don't sleep ... package it :p
22:19  * morfoh hides again 
22:20 < karasz> morfoh: right away, I am just not sure in wich folder should i put sources... C:\ or D:\
22:20  * karasz wonders if a vb6 compiler is ok to compile latest kernel....
22:20 < morfoh> hmmmm ... good question ... :)
22:21 < morfoh> tavarish ... checkout and test :p
22:22 < karasz> immediately...
22:22 < morfoh> karasz: you should take the oportunity to implement Windooze@T2 :)
22:23  * morfoh hides
22:23 < mnemoc> karasz: i'll try with magicpoint :)
22:24 < karasz> and btw kommrad, don't hide so often, 'cause one day you won't find yourself when you will need to...
22:24 < morfoh> o_O
22:24 < karasz> mnemoc: suposedly it requires just X to run, although i never tried it.
22:33 < mnemoc> i guess i'll return to beamer
22:36 < karasz> magicpoint is no use?
22:37 < tdi> no
22:37 < mnemoc> it looks to much like latex, and in that case i prefer to use the one i already knwo
22:39 < mnemoc> tdi: what do you sue?
22:39 < mnemoc> use
22:39 < karasz> err, use...
22:39 < mnemoc> http://me.in-berlin.de/~miwie/presentations/presentations.html
22:40 < mnemoc> karasz: :)
22:40 < tdi> mnemoc: where ?
22:41 < tdi> i would give mu hand for a good class for latex 
22:41 < tdi> to make a proesentations
22:41 < tdi> i used f*********
22:41 < tdi> OO
22:41 < tdi> shit
22:41 < karasz> does anybody noticed that tdi spell shit right no matter what?
22:41 < karasz> :D
22:42 < mnemoc> :)
22:42 < tdi> sorry 
22:42 < mnemoc> tdi: take a look at beamer
22:45 < tdi> beamer is a biaaatch
22:45 < mnemoc> o_O
22:47 < tdi> cool i mean
22:47 < tdi> but made some slides so this time ill stict to oo impress evil thing
22:50 < mnemoc> i was using impress, but currently it doesn't like me
22:51 < mnemoc> and i have been unable to set a background image on impress :)
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22:52 < tdi> i use white bg :)
22:52 < tdi> like here tdi.kill-9.pl/kk.pdf
22:52 < tdi> i like this raw style
22:55 < mnemoc> :)
23:03 < tdi> i am going to bed
23:03 < tdi> bye all
23:05 < mnemoc> gn8 tdi 
23:06 < karasz> gn8 tdi
23:13 < karasz> gn8 karasz
23:13 < karasz> ;)
23:13 < karasz> cu guys...
23:17 < mnemoc> cu karasz 
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23:36 < morfoh> short re hi
23:38 < mnemoc> wb morfoh!
23:38 < morfoh> thx mnemoc 
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