T2 IRC Log: 2006-05-26
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--- Log opened Fri May 26 00:00:58 2006
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06:22 < morfoh> moin
06:26 < Lucifer_arma> morning
06:27 < morfoh> morning Lucifer_arma
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06:38 < Lucifer_arma> I'd really like a progress indicator for this thing. "55% complete" would be nice. :) Even if it was just based on number of packages built.
06:49 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg foo <-- will show you information about total builts, how many completed fine or with errors
06:49 < CIA-2> rene * r17627 /tags/2.2.0-rc/: * tagged 2.2.0-rc
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06:56 < rxr> pff, M$ wants to ship a jpeg/jpeg2000 competting image format:
06:56 < rxr> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/25/windows_media_photo/
06:57 < CIA-2> rene * r17628 /tags/2.2.0-rc/scripts/parse-config: * set tag version to 2.2.0-rc
06:58 < CIA-2> rene * r17629 /tags/2.2.0-rc/target/ (. archivista/): * removed archivisat and mnemosyne from the 2.2.0-rc tag
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07:50 < morfoh> wb tdi
07:50 < morfoh> rxr: what is the reason for removing mnemosyne from the rc ?
08:00 < Lucifer_arma> morfoh: will it tell me how many are left to build?
08:00 < Lucifer_arma> is this more of Microsoft wants to own my stuff?
08:03 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: what are you talking about ? ^
08:04 < tdi> ye
08:04 < tdi> i also do not understand :)
08:05 < morfoh> tdi: moin :)
08:06 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: did I ever talked about microsoft the last days ?
08:06 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: mnemosyne is a t2 target, which is quite nice
08:07 < tdi> moin
08:09 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: i.e. instead of hardwired package selections you're selecting functional modules ... it extends T2's Config Menu to select them
08:12 < rxr> morfoh: I asked about this on the list and mnemoc acked it
08:13 < rxr> a week ago
08:13 < rxr> > Btw. I would rather see mnemosyne and archivista not in the relase tarball and
08:13 < rxr> > suggest we remove the 1st's external and the 2nd into a own repository.
08:13 < rxr> go for it.
08:13 < rxr> where the "go for it." was from Alejandro Mery
08:14 < Lucifer_arma> [02:04 am] pff, M$ wants to ship a jpeg/jpeg2000 competting image format:
08:14 < Lucifer_arma> [02:04 am] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/25/windows_media_photo/
08:14 < rxr> which was on the "18.05.2006 13:15"
08:20 < morfoh> rxr: but I guess the "go for it" was more due to reasons of resignations from mnemoc's site regarding the current situation ... but yes, if he decided to accept the removal I've to accept it
08:22 < rxr> i only suggested this due to size reasons, otherwise the argument of t2 is slick and fits on a disc gets void and people start to say t2 is as bloated as e.g. gentoo
08:23 < rxr> but if mnemoc would have said it is so great and it must be in the tarball, fine as well or someone like you could have said for over a week it is my favourite let's incldue it - but noone hasn't
08:27 < morfoh> rxr: ic ... 4.9M is an incredible amount of space ... and yes, it's really great and if you consider that it can be used as base for other targets inheriting the modules from it the amazingly size of 4.9M is ok for me
08:28 * morfoh is off to the lab now ... cu later
08:28 < Lucifer_arma> I love it when I take my daughter out for a drive, and she sits quietly while we go to the store and then come home,
08:28 < Lucifer_arma> and then as soon as we walk in the door she starts yelling at me for nto taking her to McDonald's
08:28 < Lucifer_arma> I love it, I tell you.
08:30 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: good appetite at McD :)
08:30 < morfoh> bbl
08:30 < Lucifer_arma> have fun
08:30 < morfoh> thx ;)
08:35 < Lucifer_arma> oh cool, it does tell me how many builds total
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08:54 < karasz> moin moin
08:59 < Lucifer_arma> morning
09:00 < karasz> hi Lucifer_arma ;)
09:00 < karasz> how is your build going?
09:00 < Lucifer_arma> 71%
09:00 < Lucifer_arma> it's building boost right now
09:33 < rxr> mnemoc: can you explain r16616 to me ?
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09:37 < Luke-Jr> how does T2 cross-compile kdelibs? I can't seem to find the build process in the source...
09:38 < karasz> well, Luke-Jr it is there
09:38 < Luke-Jr> karasz: any idea where to look?
09:39 < karasz> i would advise the kde subdir
09:39 < rxr> Luke-Jr: we do not cross compile kdelibs right now
09:39 < karasz> in the packages directory
09:40 < karasz> huh?
09:40 < Luke-Jr> rxr: aww
09:40 < karasz> cros-compile?
09:40 < rxr> Luke-Jr: why do you look at cross compiling kdelibs ?
09:40 < karasz> sorry, i missed the cross word.
09:40 < Luke-Jr> rxr: target platform isn't build platform
09:41 < Luke-Jr> none of my systems run the same platform =p
09:42 < Luke-Jr> 1 x86_32, 1 x86_64, 1 ppc_32, and one arm_32
09:42 < rxr> Luke-Jr: on what cross compile combination do you look at ?
09:42 < Luke-Jr> ARM is my target
09:42 < rxr> hm
09:42 < rxr> pda ?
09:42 < Luke-Jr> handheld
09:42 < rxr> ic, and you need kdelibs ? ,-)
09:42 < Luke-Jr> yes
09:42 < Luke-Jr> GPE and Opie suck
09:42 < Luke-Jr> =p
09:42 < Luke-Jr> they're designed for PDAs
09:43 < rxr> hehe, nice comment
09:43 < rxr> well, on my other box I have some more bits that allow cross building x.org and more
09:43 < rxr> but it will not yet build kdelibs due to qt and kde helper stuff needed on the way
09:44 < Luke-Jr> well, I use OpenEmbedded to build the OS for it... was actually looking to steal cross-compile KDE stuff =p
09:44 < rxr> Luke-Jr: would you like to improve those areas and fix thos to build native helpers for the cross build case ?
09:44 < rxr> well, OpenEmbedded ....
09:44 < Luke-Jr> OE cross-compiles Qt fine, but I've never succeeded in cross-compiling kdelibs
09:44 < Luke-Jr> I think at least partially due to OE's automake hacks
09:45 < rxr> do you feel comfortable working with OpenEmbedde ?
09:45 < Luke-Jr> somewhat
09:45 < Luke-Jr> I don't mess with it too often
09:45 < Luke-Jr> and when I do, it's fairly limited scope
09:46 < Luke-Jr> (BTW: biggest problem w/ Opie/GPE is lack of good browsers =p)
09:46 * Lucifer_arma 's pda doesn't do internet
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09:47 < Lucifer_arma> it's a worthless hunk of junk
09:47 < rxr> Luke-Jr: would you be interesting in messing with cross builds on t2 ? I would hand you the x.org cross patches in that case
09:47 < Luke-Jr> PDAs aren't designed for internet
09:47 < Lucifer_arma> does t2 build for a palm with the 33mhz dragonball?
09:47 < rxr> but qt definetly needs work
09:47 < rxr> and for the gnome side pango failed on cross builds due to libtool problems
09:47 < rxr> (libtool normally works on cross builds in t2 - but pango's libtool copy is just f*cked up ...)
09:48 < Luke-Jr> rxr: lack the time and disk space for both OE and t2 :(
09:48 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: at least no prebuild target
09:48 < rxr> Luke-Jr: :-(
09:48 < rxr> Luke-Jr: hope you hang around here anyway - maybe we can exchange some interesting details in the future
09:48 < Luke-Jr> maybe
09:49 < Luke-Jr> does t2 have automake hacks for cross-compiling?
09:49 < rxr> it has ,-)
09:49 < Luke-Jr> developed independently or forked/shared with OE?
09:49 < rxr> and a lot of libtool autofixup (also needed for lib64 and the like on normal builds)
09:49 < Luke-Jr> screw lib64 *stabs Gentoo for that*
09:49 < rxr> Luke-Jr: independantly because we exist way longer (rock history is back to 1998)
09:50 < rxr> in fact OE would never have to be started if those folks would have done research what already exists in that area ...
09:50 < Luke-Jr> so maybe there's a chance it would be less problematic with KDE
09:50 < rxr> Luke-Jr: that is not a Gentoo invetion and very much needed if you want to run 32bit apps on the same system
09:50 < Luke-Jr> I know it's not
09:50 < Luke-Jr> but Gentoo at least had it right for a while
09:50 < Luke-Jr> who needs 32-bit
09:51 < rxr> Luke-Jr: well - I also do not "need" it - but running wine or open office from time to time is at least useful
09:51 < Lucifer_arma> I put two of my celerons together and hit them with a hammer to see if a 64-bit celeron would come out of it
09:51 < Luke-Jr> rxr: no need for wine or OO.o =p
09:51 < Luke-Jr> KOffice works fine for the rare times I need it
09:51 < Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: !!!
09:52 < Lucifer_arma> ? that the same koffice I use? The one where KWord gets dog-ass slow when you have more than 1000 words in it?
09:52 < Luke-Jr> Why use KWord?
09:52 < Luke-Jr> I don't see how it has a use =p
09:52 < Luke-Jr> KWrite+Konqueror is great there
09:53 < Lucifer_arma> sure, if your target is the web
09:53 < Luke-Jr> for any target
09:53 < Lucifer_arma> but you know, for some reason my teachers don't take html documents for papers
09:53 < Luke-Jr> I wrote all my essays and such in XHTML
09:53 < Luke-Jr> no?
09:53 < Luke-Jr> that's dumb
09:53 < Luke-Jr> so print em a PDF
09:54 < Lucifer_arma> well, they want title sheet and stuff, and one of the jerks this past semester specified font face, size, margins, everything.
09:54 < Lucifer_arma> made me feel like I was back in high school
09:54 < Luke-Jr> so?
09:54 < Luke-Jr>
09:54 < Luke-Jr> tata
09:54 < Luke-Jr> tada*
09:55 < Luke-Jr> body { margin: 0.5in; }
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10:33 < Lucifer_arma> how easy is it to setup t2 for distributed build?
10:45 * karasz is not quite detached but almost
10:46 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: like distcc ?
10:46 < Lucifer_arma> yes
10:47 < Lucifer_arma> my other computer's only half the speed, but over the entire build time it could shave a couple of hours easily
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10:51 < mnemoc> rxr: what of r16616 needs an explaination?
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11:37 < rxr> that aside it does not build for me anymore you have a pkginstalled mysql inside a pkginstalled mysql block ?
11:38 < rxr> look at the resulting file and count the many pkginstalled mysql and pkgprefix mysql that accumulate there
11:39 < rxr> the build error was related to mysqli IIRC but I do not expect to hunt that - I only wonder about the many pkginstalled and pkgprefixes
11:41 < mnemoc> the nested pkginstalled id the resoult of a borked merge
11:41 < mnemoc> mysqli built last week for me
11:42 < rxr> well, I can hunt why it failed myself, just the reduncancy removed would be fine right now
11:42 < mnemoc> please do so if you are on htat
11:45 < rxr> well mysqli does not build here, maybe you can remove the superflous pkginstalled / pkgprefix -t lines e.g. over the weekend and I track what php does not like here thereafter?
11:45 < rxr> e.g. I have no way to verify right now your mysqli support is still there when I alter it
11:45 < mnemoc> i doubt i have time for that during this weekend, but i can try
11:46 < rxr> but take you time, e.g. weekend, that is not high priority, I only stumbled across it when php broke and I build it locally without those lines already
11:59 < rxr> well, I have about one or two packages to add the next days, the question is do we branch now or let those non core script changes into 2.2.0 as well
11:59 < rxr> ideas anyone ?
12:01 < mnemoc> i think branching for stabilization is a good idea
12:06 < Lucifer_arma> if I hit ^C while it's building a package I don't care about, will it still build a working CD?
12:07 < mnemoc> the package will be resumed on the next Build-Target
12:08 < Lucifer_arma> but will it finish building the cd this time?
12:10 < rxr> when you hit C-c in a stage 5 build it will not be rebuild by default and not be on the CD
12:11 < rxr> you will get a remark at the end of Build-Target that the binary package for the package is not available and that it is skipped
12:18 < Lucifer_arma> hmm, it's on kdebase now, not a package I'd want to stop. I'll keep that in mind next time I see gnome/*
12:48 < rxr> desktop does not build much gnome
12:48 < rxr> only the minimal base needed for other nice programs
12:48 < rxr> better not kill the few basic gnome packages desktop builds
12:48 < rxr> so /me off - cu then
12:51 < karasz> ccu rxr
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13:02 < CIA-2> amery * r17630 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnome/ (libgnome.conf libgnome.desc): * improved libgnome package to disable esound support if it's not installed
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13:55 < CIA-2> amery * r17631 /trunk/package/network/tunctl/ (. tunctl.conf tunctl.desc): * added tunctl (1.4) - Utility to create and manage persistent TUN/TAP interfaces
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14:52 < morfoh> re hi
14:52 < morfoh> ;)
14:55 < mnemoc> wb morfoh
14:55 < morfoh> thx mnemoc :)
14:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: how is it ?
14:56 < mnemoc> ok, and you?
15:00 < morfoh> yeah .. quite fine ... have to tell you some news later.
15:00 < mnemoc> good or bad?
15:00 < morfoh> good
15:00 < mnemoc> :)
15:00 < mnemoc> i like good news
15:00 < morfoh> :p
15:02 < Lucifer_arma> what is cc1plus?
15:02 < Lucifer_arma> and why is it eating all my memory?
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15:03 < morfoh> ^ oh! that seemed that it was even screwing poor lucifers box
15:03 < mnemoc> *g*
15:03 < morfoh> :)
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15:05 < morfoh> wb Lucifer_arma :)
15:06 < Lucifer_arma> re
15:07 < Lucifer_arma> apparently konversation and firefox both don't like running for a couple of days non-stop
15:07 < Lucifer_arma> shutting both down fixed my memory problem. Swapping like crazy. :(
15:50 < CIA-2> amery * r17632 /trunk/package/security/rsbac/rsbac.desc: * updated rsbac (1.2.5 -> 1.2.6)
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16:34 < misl> Hi folks
16:39 < mnemoc> hi misl
16:50 < morfoh> hi misl :)
16:51 < mnemoc> wb morfoh
16:56 < karasz> hello kommrad, hi misl
17:00 < morfoh> hi tavarish ...
17:00 < morfoh> brb
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17:37 < morfoh> bbl folks ;)
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17:46 < karasz> bbl
18:36 < Lucifer_arma> what's the significance of the pkgsel directory under the target?
18:38 < mnemoc> you can use thre pkgsel syntax to define the target's package selection
18:38 < mnemoc> it's one of the available options
18:38 < mnemoc> ah, directory
18:38 < Lucifer_arma> so all files under it get built?
18:39 < mnemoc> that is handled by target's config.in, not T2
18:39 < Lucifer_arma> I'm looking at the mnemosyne target
18:39 < mnemoc> mnemosyne has a very different semantic
18:39 < mnemoc> it has modules and you get those modules as 'options' on Config
18:40 < mnemoc> if pkgsel is a file, it's handled by Config itself as the package selection of the target
18:40 < Lucifer_arma> aha, I see the perl script in mnemosyne that handles it
18:40 < mnemoc> yep, *very* ugly perl script
18:40 < mnemoc> feel free to clean it
18:41 < Lucifer_arma> so if I just want to customize package selection for the target without anything crazy (big daddy don't do perl, sorry), you know, just a flat "these are what you get" list
18:41 < Lucifer_arma> I'd do it in a pkgsel file?
18:41 < mnemoc> yes
18:41 < Lucifer_arma> and anything more complex I'd have to provide a handler
18:41 < mnemoc> nope, you can use pkgsel.sed for a sed 'program' to apply to the packages file
18:42 < Lucifer_arma> so the generic target has the pkgsel directory and then some .in files under it
18:42 < mnemoc> gethe generic target doesn'T have anything, takes just the default rules defined on tha package database
18:42 < Lucifer_arma> I see. in config.in for generic there's a line that gives the sed invocation
18:43 < mnemoc> config.in i a file used inside Config script to perform actions and show widgets
18:43 < mnemoc> it's is to apply (optionaly) a 'template'
18:44 < Lucifer_arma> I want to start with just a package list in a target. I want to use a target because I know that eventually I'm going to want some hard-core customizations
18:44 < mnemoc> which arehandled particulary by gerneic target to change package selection
18:44 < Lucifer_arma> but I just want to start with a package list and let t2 fill in everything else
18:45 < Lucifer_arma> and my package list is heavily customized. :) a template isn't going to work.
18:45 < mnemoc> you need a config.in, at least with a #Description: line
18:45 < mnemoc> for normal in target package selection you can use a pkgsel file, or .sed or .awk or .in
18:46 < Lucifer_arma> so pkgsel.in ?
18:46 < mnemoc> or, the old style, doing nasty things from within config.in
18:46 < mnemoc> that'S a shell script
18:46 < mnemoc> sourced to let you do nasty things :)
18:46 < Lucifer_arma> this is the syntax I'd like to use :) :
18:47 < Lucifer_arma> X 00-dirtree
18:47 < Lucifer_arma> X cpio
18:47 < Lucifer_arma> from generic
18:47 < mnemoc> so pkgsel
18:47 < Lucifer_arma> so is it pkgsel.in, or make a directory called pkgsel and then put some .in files under it?
18:47 < mnemoc> no no
18:47 < Lucifer_arma> or does it matter either way?
18:47 < mnemoc> pkgsel *file* instead your target dir
18:48 < Lucifer_arma> no extension, just "pkgsel"?
18:48 < mnemoc> to use a folder isnide you have to add extra magic
18:48 < mnemoc> just "pkgsel"
18:48 < Lucifer_arma> aha, ok.
18:48 < mnemoc> like on the configs
18:48 < mnemoc> a trick to disable everything at the begining is adding 'O *' on the first line
18:49 < mnemoc> so you make it positive instead of negative
18:49 < mnemoc> (adding packages instead of removing them)
18:49 < Lucifer_arma> that sounds like a neat trick
18:49 < Lucifer_arma> so after I've done this, it'll build me an installation iso image still, right? (working off a trunk checkout that's a day old)
18:50 < Lucifer_arma> of course I run Config and select "installation iso". but not like rock where you have to build a bootdisk target and then do Create-ISO
18:51 < mnemoc> if, on config, you selected 'installer' output, you will get an isntaller
18:51 < mnemoc> on T2 2.1 you also have to make a bootdisk
18:51 < mnemoc> but that's deprecated on 2.2/trunk
18:53 < Lucifer_arma> right, I'm on 2.2/trunk
18:53 < Lucifer_arma> never did like using stale "stable" releases :)
18:56 < mnemoc> :)
19:18 < Lucifer_arma> what's the syntax for package rules in Config?
19:19 < Lucifer_arma> I'm trying to remove the linux26mm package that won't build here for some reason :(
19:19 < mnemoc> O to disable
19:19 < mnemoc> and - to eliminate
19:19 < Lucifer_arma> so 0 linux26mm ?
19:19 < mnemoc> O not zero
19:19 < Lucifer_arma> I tried that and it told me invalid syntax
19:19 < Lucifer_arma> wait, that's an O
19:20 < mnemoc> yes, O
19:20 < mnemoc> big o
19:20 < Lucifer_arma> aha, it took that. :) heh, thanks
19:20 < mnemoc> you are welcome :)
19:21 < Lucifer_arma> so to use distcc, is it really as easy as just having a distcc running on anothe rmachine and enabling it in Config? or is that the cluster/node thing?
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20:03 < sepp> hello :)
20:04 < mnemoc> wb sepp
20:04 < sepp> hi mnemoc
20:48 < _Ragnar_> does koffice compile for anyone here since the update?
20:49 < mnemoc> == 20:31:57 =[5]=> Building kde/koffice [1.5.1 2.2-trunk].
20:49 < mnemoc> 2h ago
20:49 < mnemoc> not finished yet
20:51 < _Ragnar_> fails for me due to a missing sqliteconnection.Tpod
20:51 < _Ragnar_> -d
20:51 < mnemoc> how late?
20:52 < _Ragnar_> in kexi/kexidb/drivers/sqlite2/
20:52 < _Ragnar_> pretty far I think
20:53 < mnemoc> :(
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21:00 < mnemoc> wb master veki
21:01 < veki> o, hi :-)
21:01 < veki> "brother from belgrade" as african guys said ;)
21:01 < mnemoc> hehe
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21:55 < karasz> cu guys
21:57 < mnemoc> cu karasz
21:59 < veki> cu
22:00 < mnemoc> .oO( is veki also leaving? )o
22:01 < veki> just saying cu to karasz ;)
22:01 < mnemoc> :)
22:01 < veki> I am listening mmusic loud an workin, quite impossible to be sleepy
22:01 < veki> :-)
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22:59 < morfoh> hi folks :)
22:59 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: how about koffice?
22:59 < mnemoc> still building
23:00 < _Ragnar_> oh ok
23:00 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: *FAT* K* stuff :p
23:00 < _Ragnar_> ?
23:00 < mnemoc> make[4]: Entering directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.koffice.karasz.20060526.203152.29873.builder64/koffice-1.5.1/filters
23:00 < mnemoc> /kword/libexport'
23:01 < morfoh> karasz: hell .. .what kind of thing you let mnemoc do ?
23:02 < morfoh> karasz: missusing my monkey ? tavarish :)
23:02 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
23:03 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: with monkey I don't mean mnemoc of course .... yeah he is looking like one but ... :)
23:03 < mnemoc> O_O
23:03 * morfoh hides and searches a beer :)
23:03 * _Ragnar_ giggles
23:03 < mnemoc> i'll better go to sleep :(
23:03 < _Ragnar_> nini mnemoc :)
23:03 < _Ragnar_> rest well
23:03 < mnemoc> gn8 _Ragnar_ ,-)
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23:48 < veki> cu
23:48 < veki> gn8
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23:57 < morfoh> gn8 folks ... beer is finished and me too :p
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06:22 < morfoh> moin
06:26 < Lucifer_arma> morning
06:27 < morfoh> morning Lucifer_arma
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06:38 < Lucifer_arma> I'd really like a progress indicator for this thing. "55% complete" would be nice. :) Even if it was just based on number of packages built.
06:49 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg foo <-- will show you information about total builts, how many completed fine or with errors
06:49 < CIA-2> rene * r17627 /tags/2.2.0-rc/: * tagged 2.2.0-rc
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06:56 < rxr> pff, M$ wants to ship a jpeg/jpeg2000 competting image format:
06:56 < rxr> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/25/windows_media_photo/
06:57 < CIA-2> rene * r17628 /tags/2.2.0-rc/scripts/parse-config: * set tag version to 2.2.0-rc
06:58 < CIA-2> rene * r17629 /tags/2.2.0-rc/target/ (. archivista/): * removed archivisat and mnemosyne from the 2.2.0-rc tag
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07:50 < morfoh> wb tdi
07:50 < morfoh> rxr: what is the reason for removing mnemosyne from the rc ?
08:00 < Lucifer_arma> morfoh: will it tell me how many are left to build?
08:00 < Lucifer_arma> is this more of Microsoft wants to own my stuff?
08:03 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: what are you talking about ? ^
08:04 < tdi> ye
08:04 < tdi> i also do not understand :)
08:05 < morfoh> tdi: moin :)
08:06 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: did I ever talked about microsoft the last days ?
08:06 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: mnemosyne is a t2 target, which is quite nice
08:07 < tdi> moin
08:09 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: i.e. instead of hardwired package selections you're selecting functional modules ... it extends T2's Config Menu to select them
08:12 < rxr> morfoh: I asked about this on the list and mnemoc acked it
08:13 < rxr> a week ago
08:13 < rxr> > Btw. I would rather see mnemosyne and archivista not in the relase tarball and
08:13 < rxr> > suggest we remove the 1st's external and the 2nd into a own repository.
08:13 < rxr> go for it.
08:13 < rxr> where the "go for it." was from Alejandro Mery
08:14 < Lucifer_arma> [02:04 am]
08:14 < Lucifer_arma> [02:04 am]
08:14 < rxr> which was on the "18.05.2006 13:15"
08:20 < morfoh> rxr: but I guess the "go for it" was more due to reasons of resignations from mnemoc's site regarding the current situation ... but yes, if he decided to accept the removal I've to accept it
08:22 < rxr> i only suggested this due to size reasons, otherwise the argument of t2 is slick and fits on a disc gets void and people start to say t2 is as bloated as e.g. gentoo
08:23 < rxr> but if mnemoc would have said it is so great and it must be in the tarball, fine as well or someone like you could have said for over a week it is my favourite let's incldue it - but noone hasn't
08:27 < morfoh> rxr: ic ... 4.9M is an incredible amount of space ... and yes, it's really great and if you consider that it can be used as base for other targets inheriting the modules from it the amazingly size of 4.9M is ok for me
08:28 * morfoh is off to the lab now ... cu later
08:28 < Lucifer_arma> I love it when I take my daughter out for a drive, and she sits quietly while we go to the store and then come home,
08:28 < Lucifer_arma> and then as soon as we walk in the door she starts yelling at me for nto taking her to McDonald's
08:28 < Lucifer_arma> I love it, I tell you.
08:30 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: good appetite at McD :)
08:30 < morfoh> bbl
08:30 < Lucifer_arma> have fun
08:30 < morfoh> thx ;)
08:35 < Lucifer_arma> oh cool, it does tell me how many builds total
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08:54 < karasz> moin moin
08:59 < Lucifer_arma> morning
09:00 < karasz> hi Lucifer_arma ;)
09:00 < karasz> how is your build going?
09:00 < Lucifer_arma> 71%
09:00 < Lucifer_arma> it's building boost right now
09:33 < rxr> mnemoc: can you explain r16616 to me ?
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09:37 < Luke-Jr> how does T2 cross-compile kdelibs? I can't seem to find the build process in the source...
09:38 < karasz> well, Luke-Jr it is there
09:38 < Luke-Jr> karasz: any idea where to look?
09:39 < karasz> i would advise the kde subdir
09:39 < rxr> Luke-Jr: we do not cross compile kdelibs right now
09:39 < karasz> in the packages directory
09:40 < karasz> huh?
09:40 < Luke-Jr> rxr: aww
09:40 < karasz> cros-compile?
09:40 < rxr> Luke-Jr: why do you look at cross compiling kdelibs ?
09:40 < karasz> sorry, i missed the cross word.
09:40 < Luke-Jr> rxr: target platform isn't build platform
09:41 < Luke-Jr> none of my systems run the same platform =p
09:42 < Luke-Jr> 1 x86_32, 1 x86_64, 1 ppc_32, and one arm_32
09:42 < rxr> Luke-Jr: on what cross compile combination do you look at ?
09:42 < Luke-Jr> ARM is my target
09:42 < rxr> hm
09:42 < rxr> pda ?
09:42 < Luke-Jr> handheld
09:42 < rxr> ic, and you need kdelibs ? ,-)
09:42 < Luke-Jr> yes
09:42 < Luke-Jr> GPE and Opie suck
09:42 < Luke-Jr> =p
09:42 < Luke-Jr> they're designed for PDAs
09:43 < rxr> hehe, nice comment
09:43 < rxr> well, on my other box I have some more bits that allow cross building x.org and more
09:43 < rxr> but it will not yet build kdelibs due to qt and kde helper stuff needed on the way
09:44 < Luke-Jr> well, I use OpenEmbedded to build the OS for it... was actually looking to steal cross-compile KDE stuff =p
09:44 < rxr> Luke-Jr: would you like to improve those areas and fix thos to build native helpers for the cross build case ?
09:44 < rxr> well, OpenEmbedded ....
09:44 < Luke-Jr> OE cross-compiles Qt fine, but I've never succeeded in cross-compiling kdelibs
09:44 < Luke-Jr> I think at least partially due to OE's automake hacks
09:45 < rxr> do you feel comfortable working with OpenEmbedde ?
09:45 < Luke-Jr> somewhat
09:45 < Luke-Jr> I don't mess with it too often
09:45 < Luke-Jr> and when I do, it's fairly limited scope
09:46 < Luke-Jr> (BTW: biggest problem w/ Opie/GPE is lack of good browsers =p)
09:46 * Lucifer_arma 's pda doesn't do internet
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09:47 < Lucifer_arma> it's a worthless hunk of junk
09:47 < rxr> Luke-Jr: would you be interesting in messing with cross builds on t2 ? I would hand you the x.org cross patches in that case
09:47 < Luke-Jr> PDAs aren't designed for internet
09:47 < Lucifer_arma> does t2 build for a palm with the 33mhz dragonball?
09:47 < rxr> but qt definetly needs work
09:47 < rxr> and for the gnome side pango failed on cross builds due to libtool problems
09:47 < rxr> (libtool normally works on cross builds in t2 - but pango's libtool copy is just f*cked up ...)
09:48 < Luke-Jr> rxr: lack the time and disk space for both OE and t2 :(
09:48 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: at least no prebuild target
09:48 < rxr> Luke-Jr: :-(
09:48 < rxr> Luke-Jr: hope you hang around here anyway - maybe we can exchange some interesting details in the future
09:48 < Luke-Jr> maybe
09:49 < Luke-Jr> does t2 have automake hacks for cross-compiling?
09:49 < rxr> it has ,-)
09:49 < Luke-Jr> developed independently or forked/shared with OE?
09:49 < rxr> and a lot of libtool autofixup (also needed for lib64 and the like on normal builds)
09:49 < Luke-Jr> screw lib64 *stabs Gentoo for that*
09:49 < rxr> Luke-Jr: independantly because we exist way longer (rock history is back to 1998)
09:50 < rxr> in fact OE would never have to be started if those folks would have done research what already exists in that area ...
09:50 < Luke-Jr> so maybe there's a chance it would be less problematic with KDE
09:50 < rxr> Luke-Jr: that is not a Gentoo invetion and very much needed if you want to run 32bit apps on the same system
09:50 < Luke-Jr> I know it's not
09:50 < Luke-Jr> but Gentoo at least had it right for a while
09:50 < Luke-Jr> who needs 32-bit
09:51 < rxr> Luke-Jr: well - I also do not "need" it - but running wine or open office from time to time is at least useful
09:51 < Lucifer_arma> I put two of my celerons together and hit them with a hammer to see if a 64-bit celeron would come out of it
09:51 < Luke-Jr> rxr: no need for wine or OO.o =p
09:51 < Luke-Jr> KOffice works fine for the rare times I need it
09:51 < Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: !!!
09:52 < Lucifer_arma> ? that the same koffice I use? The one where KWord gets dog-ass slow when you have more than 1000 words in it?
09:52 < Luke-Jr> Why use KWord?
09:52 < Luke-Jr> I don't see how it has a use =p
09:52 < Luke-Jr> KWrite+Konqueror is great there
09:53 < Lucifer_arma> sure, if your target is the web
09:53 < Luke-Jr> for any target
09:53 < Lucifer_arma> but you know, for some reason my teachers don't take html documents for papers
09:53 < Luke-Jr> I wrote all my essays and such in XHTML
09:53 < Luke-Jr> no?
09:53 < Luke-Jr> that's dumb
09:53 < Luke-Jr> so print em a PDF
09:54 < Lucifer_arma> well, they want title sheet and stuff, and one of the jerks this past semester specified font face, size, margins, everything.
09:54 < Lucifer_arma> made me feel like I was back in high school
09:54 < Luke-Jr> so?
09:54 < Luke-Jr>
09:54 < Luke-Jr> tata
09:54 < Luke-Jr> tada*
09:55 < Luke-Jr> body { margin: 0.5in; }
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10:33 < Lucifer_arma> how easy is it to setup t2 for distributed build?
10:45 * karasz is not quite detached but almost
10:46 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: like distcc ?
10:46 < Lucifer_arma> yes
10:47 < Lucifer_arma> my other computer's only half the speed, but over the entire build time it could shave a couple of hours easily
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10:51 < mnemoc> rxr: what of r16616 needs an explaination?
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11:37 < rxr> that aside it does not build for me anymore you have a pkginstalled mysql inside a pkginstalled mysql block ?
11:38 < rxr> look at the resulting file and count the many pkginstalled mysql and pkgprefix mysql that accumulate there
11:39 < rxr> the build error was related to mysqli IIRC but I do not expect to hunt that - I only wonder about the many pkginstalled and pkgprefixes
11:41 < mnemoc> the nested pkginstalled id the resoult of a borked merge
11:41 < mnemoc> mysqli built last week for me
11:42 < rxr> well, I can hunt why it failed myself, just the reduncancy removed would be fine right now
11:42 < mnemoc> please do so if you are on htat
11:45 < rxr> well mysqli does not build here, maybe you can remove the superflous pkginstalled / pkgprefix -t lines e.g. over the weekend and I track what php does not like here thereafter?
11:45 < rxr> e.g. I have no way to verify right now your mysqli support is still there when I alter it
11:45 < mnemoc> i doubt i have time for that during this weekend, but i can try
11:46 < rxr> but take you time, e.g. weekend, that is not high priority, I only stumbled across it when php broke and I build it locally without those lines already
11:59 < rxr> well, I have about one or two packages to add the next days, the question is do we branch now or let those non core script changes into 2.2.0 as well
11:59 < rxr> ideas anyone ?
12:01 < mnemoc> i think branching for stabilization is a good idea
12:06 < Lucifer_arma> if I hit ^C while it's building a package I don't care about, will it still build a working CD?
12:07 < mnemoc> the package will be resumed on the next Build-Target
12:08 < Lucifer_arma> but will it finish building the cd this time?
12:10 < rxr> when you hit C-c in a stage 5 build it will not be rebuild by default and not be on the CD
12:11 < rxr> you will get a remark at the end of Build-Target that the binary package for the package is not available and that it is skipped
12:18 < Lucifer_arma> hmm, it's on kdebase now, not a package I'd want to stop. I'll keep that in mind next time I see gnome/*
12:48 < rxr> desktop does not build much gnome
12:48 < rxr> only the minimal base needed for other nice programs
12:48 < rxr> better not kill the few basic gnome packages desktop builds
12:48 < rxr> so /me off - cu then
12:51 < karasz> ccu rxr
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14:52 < morfoh> re hi
14:52 < morfoh> ;)
14:55 < mnemoc> wb morfoh
14:55 < morfoh> thx mnemoc :)
14:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: how is it ?
14:56 < mnemoc> ok, and you?
15:00 < morfoh> yeah .. quite fine ... have to tell you some news later.
15:00 < mnemoc> good or bad?
15:00 < morfoh> good
15:00 < mnemoc> :)
15:00 < mnemoc> i like good news
15:00 < morfoh> :p
15:02 < Lucifer_arma> what is cc1plus?
15:02 < Lucifer_arma> and why is it eating all my memory?
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15:03 < morfoh> ^ oh! that seemed that it was even screwing poor lucifers box
15:03 < mnemoc> *g*
15:03 < morfoh> :)
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15:05 < morfoh> wb Lucifer_arma :)
15:06 < Lucifer_arma> re
15:07 < Lucifer_arma> apparently konversation and firefox both don't like running for a couple of days non-stop
15:07 < Lucifer_arma> shutting both down fixed my memory problem. Swapping like crazy. :(
15:50 < CIA-2> amery * r17632 /trunk/package/security/rsbac/rsbac.desc: * updated rsbac (1.2.5 -> 1.2.6)
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16:34 < misl> Hi folks
16:39 < mnemoc> hi misl
16:50 < morfoh> hi misl :)
16:51 < mnemoc> wb morfoh
16:56 < karasz> hello kommrad, hi misl
17:00 < morfoh> hi tavarish ...
17:00 < morfoh> brb
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17:37 < morfoh> bbl folks ;)
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17:46 < karasz> bbl
18:36 < Lucifer_arma> what's the significance of the pkgsel directory under the target?
18:38 < mnemoc> you can use thre pkgsel syntax to define the target's package selection
18:38 < mnemoc> it's one of the available options
18:38 < mnemoc> ah, directory
18:38 < Lucifer_arma> so all files under it get built?
18:39 < mnemoc> that is handled by target's config.in, not T2
18:39 < Lucifer_arma> I'm looking at the mnemosyne target
18:39 < mnemoc> mnemosyne has a very different semantic
18:39 < mnemoc> it has modules and you get those modules as 'options' on Config
18:40 < mnemoc> if pkgsel is a file, it's handled by Config itself as the package selection of the target
18:40 < Lucifer_arma> aha, I see the perl script in mnemosyne that handles it
18:40 < mnemoc> yep, *very* ugly perl script
18:40 < mnemoc> feel free to clean it
18:41 < Lucifer_arma> so if I just want to customize package selection for the target without anything crazy (big daddy don't do perl, sorry), you know, just a flat "these are what you get" list
18:41 < Lucifer_arma> I'd do it in a pkgsel file?
18:41 < mnemoc> yes
18:41 < Lucifer_arma> and anything more complex I'd have to provide a handler
18:41 < mnemoc> nope, you can use pkgsel.sed for a sed 'program' to apply to the packages file
18:42 < Lucifer_arma> so the generic target has the pkgsel directory and then some .in files under it
18:42 < mnemoc> gethe generic target doesn'T have anything, takes just the default rules defined on tha package database
18:42 < Lucifer_arma> I see. in config.in for generic there's a line that gives the sed invocation
18:43 < mnemoc> config.in i a file used inside Config script to perform actions and show widgets
18:43 < mnemoc> it's is to apply (optionaly) a 'template'
18:44 < Lucifer_arma> I want to start with just a package list in a target. I want to use a target because I know that eventually I'm going to want some hard-core customizations
18:44 < mnemoc> which arehandled particulary by gerneic target to change package selection
18:44 < Lucifer_arma> but I just want to start with a package list and let t2 fill in everything else
18:45 < Lucifer_arma> and my package list is heavily customized. :) a template isn't going to work.
18:45 < mnemoc> you need a config.in, at least with a #Description: line
18:45 < mnemoc> for normal in target package selection you can use a pkgsel file, or .sed or .awk or .in
18:46 < Lucifer_arma> so pkgsel.in ?
18:46 < mnemoc> or, the old style, doing nasty things from within config.in
18:46 < mnemoc> that'S a shell script
18:46 < mnemoc> sourced to let you do nasty things :)
18:46 < Lucifer_arma> this is the syntax I'd like to use :) :
18:47 < Lucifer_arma> X 00-dirtree
18:47 < Lucifer_arma> X cpio
18:47 < Lucifer_arma> from generic
18:47 < mnemoc> so pkgsel
18:47 < Lucifer_arma> so is it pkgsel.in, or make a directory called pkgsel and then put some .in files under it?
18:47 < mnemoc> no no
18:47 < Lucifer_arma> or does it matter either way?
18:47 < mnemoc> pkgsel *file* instead your target dir
18:48 < Lucifer_arma> no extension, just "pkgsel"?
18:48 < mnemoc> to use a folder isnide you have to add extra magic
18:48 < mnemoc> just "pkgsel"
18:48 < Lucifer_arma> aha, ok.
18:48 < mnemoc> like on the configs
18:48 < mnemoc> a trick to disable everything at the begining is adding 'O *' on the first line
18:49 < mnemoc> so you make it positive instead of negative
18:49 < mnemoc> (adding packages instead of removing them)
18:49 < Lucifer_arma> that sounds like a neat trick
18:49 < Lucifer_arma> so after I've done this, it'll build me an installation iso image still, right? (working off a trunk checkout that's a day old)
18:50 < Lucifer_arma> of course I run Config and select "installation iso". but not like rock where you have to build a bootdisk target and then do Create-ISO
18:51 < mnemoc> if, on config, you selected 'installer' output, you will get an isntaller
18:51 < mnemoc> on T2 2.1 you also have to make a bootdisk
18:51 < mnemoc> but that's deprecated on 2.2/trunk
18:53 < Lucifer_arma> right, I'm on 2.2/trunk
18:53 < Lucifer_arma> never did like using stale "stable" releases :)
18:56 < mnemoc> :)
19:18 < Lucifer_arma> what's the syntax for package rules in Config?
19:19 < Lucifer_arma> I'm trying to remove the linux26mm package that won't build here for some reason :(
19:19 < mnemoc> O to disable
19:19 < mnemoc> and - to eliminate
19:19 < Lucifer_arma> so 0 linux26mm ?
19:19 < mnemoc> O not zero
19:19 < Lucifer_arma> I tried that and it told me invalid syntax
19:19 < Lucifer_arma> wait, that's an O
19:20 < mnemoc> yes, O
19:20 < mnemoc> big o
19:20 < Lucifer_arma> aha, it took that. :) heh, thanks
19:20 < mnemoc> you are welcome :)
19:21 < Lucifer_arma> so to use distcc, is it really as easy as just having a distcc running on anothe rmachine and enabling it in Config? or is that the cluster/node thing?
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20:03 < sepp> hello :)
20:04 < mnemoc> wb sepp
20:04 < sepp> hi mnemoc
20:48 < _Ragnar_> does koffice compile for anyone here since the update?
20:49 < mnemoc> == 20:31:57 =[5]=> Building kde/koffice [1.5.1 2.2-trunk].
20:49 < mnemoc> 2h ago
20:49 < mnemoc> not finished yet
20:51 < _Ragnar_> fails for me due to a missing sqliteconnection.Tpod
20:51 < _Ragnar_> -d
20:51 < mnemoc> how late?
20:52 < _Ragnar_> in kexi/kexidb/drivers/sqlite2/
20:52 < _Ragnar_> pretty far I think
20:53 < mnemoc> :(
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21:00 < mnemoc> wb master veki
21:01 < veki> o, hi :-)
21:01 < veki> "brother from belgrade" as african guys said ;)
21:01 < mnemoc> hehe
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21:55 < karasz> cu guys
21:57 < mnemoc> cu karasz
21:59 < veki> cu
22:00 < mnemoc> .oO( is veki also leaving? )o
22:01 < veki> just saying cu to karasz ;)
22:01 < mnemoc> :)
22:01 < veki> I am listening mmusic loud an workin, quite impossible to be sleepy
22:01 < veki> :-)
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22:59 < morfoh> hi folks :)
22:59 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: how about koffice?
22:59 < mnemoc> still building
23:00 < _Ragnar_> oh ok
23:00 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: *FAT* K* stuff :p
23:00 < _Ragnar_> ?
23:00 < mnemoc> make[4]: Entering directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.koffice.karasz.20060526.203152.29873.builder64/koffice-1.5.1/filters
23:00 < mnemoc> /kword/libexport'
23:01 < morfoh> karasz: hell .. .what kind of thing you let mnemoc do ?
23:02 < morfoh> karasz: missusing my monkey ? tavarish :)
23:02 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
23:03 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: with monkey I don't mean mnemoc of course .... yeah he is looking like one but ... :)
23:03 < mnemoc> O_O
23:03 * morfoh hides and searches a beer :)
23:03 * _Ragnar_ giggles
23:03 < mnemoc> i'll better go to sleep :(
23:03 < _Ragnar_> nini mnemoc :)
23:03 < _Ragnar_> rest well
23:03 < mnemoc> gn8 _Ragnar_ ,-)
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23:48 < veki> cu
23:48 < veki> gn8
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23:57 < morfoh> gn8 folks ... beer is finished and me too :p
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