T2 IRC Log: 2006-06-02
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--- Log opened Fri Jun 02 00:00:41 2006
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09:11 < rxr> moin fellows
09:20 < mtr> moin rxr
09:21 < rxr> hi mtr
09:35 < Baldzius> hi rxr mtr
09:37 < rxr> moin Baldzius
09:42 < CIA-3> aldas * r17764 /trunk/package/gnome2/file-roller/file-roller.desc: * updated file-roller (2.14.2 -> 2.14.3)
09:46 < CIA-3> aldas * r17765 /trunk/package/www/seamonkey/seamonkey.desc:
09:46 < CIA-3> * updated seamonkey (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
09:46 < CIA-3> * changed prio ( 154.800 -> 153.00 ) before devhelp
09:48 < CIA-3> aldas * r17766 /trunk/package/mail/thunderbird/thunderbird.desc: * updated thunderbird (1.5.0.2 -> 1.5.0.4)
09:54 < mtr> hi Baldzius
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10:31 < CIA-3> rene * r17767 /tags/2.2.0-rc/package/x86/grub/mactel.patch:
10:31 < CIA-3> * merged r17750 and r17753 from trunk to tags/2.2.0-rc: grub fixes
10:31 < CIA-3> for Intel Macintosh's (A20 gate handling)
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11:30 < rxr> mnemoc: T2DOWNOPT should have been name SDEDOWNOPT ...
11:30 < mnemoc> uhm... ack
11:33 < mnemoc> but i prefer to go in $HOME/.sde direction for that kind of things
11:34 < rxr> well, where $HOME means root for now - which is a bit imperfect, but sure
11:45 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/2.2.html
14:02 < mtr> ^-- #5, i guess "now relying" should read "not relying"
16:39 < rxr> mtr: thanks - fixed
16:39 < rxr> mnemoc: what reason has your .md5 file you write during Create-ISO now when the file contains the iso/ prefix?
16:40 < mnemoc> iirc it was cut
16:41 < mnemoc> uhm, that'S abug
16:41 < rxr> hm ic
16:41 < mnemoc> the */ has to be cuted out
16:41 < rxr> I'll take a look
16:41 < mnemoc> thanks
16:42 < rxr> when we create such a file I would rather md5sum on-the-fly when the file is written out using | tee - since now it is damn slower since the files are re-read
16:42 < rxr> since this all is i/o bound md5sum on-the-fly should bring the original speed back
16:42 < mnemoc> i have not feel the diference but the change makes sense
16:44 < rxr> well - at the end the files are re-read
16:44 < rxr> that should take some time
16:44 < rxr> well, even on my SATA ppc64 it does ,-)
16:44 < mnemoc> :)
16:45 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/t2/stable/2.2.0-rc/
16:45 < rxr> partly rebuild (x86 and x86-64) after I installed them
16:46 < rxr> hope they are only better not worther than what I tested
16:46 < rxr> e.g. x86 includes the final grub fix, when I tested I was not allowed to hit a key in grub on a Macbook in order to not freeze it
16:46 < rxr> and x86-64 just for the sake of it, likewise
16:47 < rxr> in /theory/ they should still be fine
16:47 < rxr> we'll hear soon
16:47 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/2.2.html
16:48 < rxr> ^- anything important missing ?
17:21 < CIA-3> chris * r17768 /trunk/package/develop/memprof/ (. memprof.desc): * added memprof (0.5.9) - A Tool for memory profiling and leak detection.
17:23 < _Ragnar_> rxr: you broke madwifi :)
17:33 < rxr> _Ragnar_: builds and works fine on a Apple Macbook ,-)
17:33 < rxr> _Ragnar_: what is the error you get ?
17:34 < _Ragnar_> depmod being called
17:34 < rxr> autsch
17:34 < _Ragnar_> and it picking up the running system kernel version instead of the chroot one
17:35 < rxr> missed that most probably due to static depmod
17:35 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ok I'll rebuild another kernel and fix - thanks for the note
17:35 < _Ragnar_> ok thx :)
17:46 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.2.0-rc TAGGED | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
17:46 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue May 30 22:57:23 2006]
17:47 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.2.0-rc RELEASED | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
18:10 < _Ragnar_> what should I be using for java these days? gcc, sun, or blackdown?
18:11 < mnemoc> i prefer kaffe
18:11 < rxr> kaffe doesnot work on nearly all !x86 platforms
18:12 < mnemoc> and what do you suggest?
18:13 < rxr> depends - if x86 is enough kaffe is fine
18:13 < rxr> in general I prefer gcj since it is quite complete as well these days and works on nearly all gcc platforms
18:13 < _Ragnar_> does it work on x86_64?
18:14 < rxr> _Ragnar_: kaffe people claim that some releases and CVS (or so) HEAD works on x86-64
18:14 < rxr> gcj does
18:16 < _Ragnar_> ok thanks :)
18:17 < _Ragnar_> oh should we try to auto-adjust the .la files for changed locations of gcc-version dependent libs? o_o
18:18 < mnemoc> we are trying to do so
18:18 < mnemoc> or not?
18:18 < rxr> someone told me they remove the .la files after installation and that would be better to do ,-)
18:18 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
18:18 < rxr> mnemoc: I guess _Ragnar_ means after a new gcc version is out - e.g. 4.1.0 -> 4.1.1
18:18 < _Ragnar_> yepp
18:18 < mnemoc> rxr: ah, ok
18:19 < rxr> I would remove absolute prefixes in the la files - so that they never have a absolute gcc path in them
18:19 < rxr> e.g. gcc or so can not just blindly touch all .la files
18:19 < rxr> at least not without tricking the flist wrappery to slap gcc heavily
18:19 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
18:19 < rxr> so - me away
18:19 < _Ragnar_> cya thanks
18:19 < rxr> _Ragnar_: not for that
18:20 < rxr> and I review madwifi
18:20 < rxr> and md5sum
18:29 < CIA-3> chris * r17769 /trunk/package/develop/libtasn1/libtasn1.desc: * updated libtasn1 (0.2.18 -> 0.3.4)
18:30 < CIA-3> chris * r17770 /trunk/package/security/gnutls/gnutls.desc: * updated gnutls (1.2.10 -> 1.2.11)
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18:37 < trb7> hi
18:37 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: btw, did you solved the koffice issue ?
18:38 < morfoh> hi trb7
18:38 < trb7> hi morfoh
18:38 < mnemoc> wb trb7
18:38 < _Ragnar_> morfoh: no >.<
18:38 < trb7> hi mnemoc, Ragnar
18:38 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: hmmmm ... :(
18:39 < morfoh> do we have any functioning "office suite" on 2.2 ?
18:40 < _Ragnar_> uuuhm
18:40 < mnemoc> gnome-office builds on trunk
18:40 < mnemoc> i have not tested it on runtime
18:40 < CIA-3> chris * r17771 /trunk/package/network/nessus/nessus.desc: * updated nessus (2.2.4 -> 2.2.7)
18:44 < CIA-3> chris * r17772 /trunk/package/python/psyco/ (. psyco.cache psyco.desc): * added psyco (1.5.1) - The Python specializing compiler.
18:45 < CIA-3> chris * r17773 /trunk/package/python/pycrypto/ (. pycrypto.cache pycrypto.desc): * added pycrypto (2.0.1) - A cryptographic toolkit for Python.
18:46 < CIA-3> chris * r17774 /trunk/package/python/pydns/ (. pydns.cache pydns.desc): * added pydns (2.3.0) - A DNS module for Python.
18:48 < trb7> hmm, anyone has 1m to answer a quick question?
18:48 < trb7> i've been having problems with e-modules (e17) in x86-64
18:48 < morfoh> trb7: what kind of problem ?
18:48 < trb7> the modules are placed in /opt/e17/lib/modules/whatever...
18:49 < trb7> regardless of what you pass as libdir
18:49 < trb7> i tried creating a conf
18:49 < trb7> with this
18:49 < trb7> hook_add preconf 3 'find -name configure.in -exec sed -i -e "s,/lib/enlightenment,/lib64/enlightenment,g" {} \;'
18:49 < trb7> so this would go before the autogen.sh
18:50 < trb7> (btw, just for a test, we would do a check for x86_64 before applying this finally)
18:50 < trb7> i ran the sed expression in the extracted tarball, and it works
18:50 < CIA-3> chris * r17775 /trunk/package/python/pyweblib/ (. pyweblib.cache pyweblib.desc): * added pyweblib (1.3.4) - A web programming framework for Python.
18:51 < trb7> the log shows that is executed before the autogen, but still, the log also shows that the actual configuration still insists in using /opt/e17/lib
18:51 < trb7> so i'm doing something wrong there
18:51 < trb7> another thing, by using ${libdir} in the sed expression
18:51 < trb7> it could be architecture independent, but ${libdir} = lib (should be lib64)
18:52 < trb7> so in the end, all modules are placed in /opt/e17/lib, and only 1 library, is placed in /opt/e17/lib64
18:52 < trb7> am i missing something in that .conf line?
19:08 < CIA-3> amery * r17776 /trunk/package/develop/memprof/memprof.cache: * added cache file for memprof
19:09 < mnemoc> trb7: try hooking a function and make the sed call inside it
19:09 < CIA-3> chris * r17777 /trunk/package/develop/libnotify/ (. libnotify.cache libnotify.desc): * added libnotify (0.4.0) - A Notifications Library.
19:14 < trb7> ok
19:14 < trb7> i'm going to try it after dinner
19:15 < trb7> brb ;)
19:17 < morfoh> trb7: good apetite :)
19:25 < CIA-3> chris * r17778 /trunk/package/perl/gtk2-perl/ (. gtk2-perl.cache gtk2-perl.desc): * added gtk2-perl (2.14.1) - Perl bindings for GTK+ 2.x.
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19:34 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Fri Jun 2 17:55:27 2006]
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19:37 < karasz> it seems that ones longest journey is the one towards himself.
19:37 < karasz> screen nicklist
19:37 < mnemoc> wb karasz !!
19:37 < morfoh> wb tavarish karasz :)
19:37 < karasz> hello all.
19:39 < CIA-3> chris * r17779 /trunk/package/develop/libtextcat/libtextcat.conf: * fixed libtextcat to copy its header file to $includedir
19:41 < CIA-3> chris * r17780 /trunk/package/develop/libtextcat/libtextcat.cache: * added missing .cache file for libtextcat package
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19:45 < CIA-3> chris * r17781 /trunk/package/perl/perl-glib/perl-glib.desc: * updated perl-glib (1.100 -> 1.120)
19:48 < CIA-3> chris * r17782 /trunk/package/perl/perl-extutils-depends/perl-extutils-depends.desc: * removed trailing space of the [V] tag
19:49 < CIA-3> chris * r17783 /trunk/package/perl/perl-extutils-pkgconfig/perl-extutils-pkgconfig.desc: * removed trailing space of the [V] tag
19:57 < LMJ> hello the chan
19:57 < LMJ> hello rxr_
19:57 < LMJ> great news abour t2 2.2
19:57 < CIA-3> chris * r17784 /trunk/package/python/python-ldap/python-ldap.conf: * fixed python-ldap by removing hardcoded sasl from setup.cfg if cyrus-sasl2 isn't installed, moved the premake hook to preconf
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20:46 < acehunky> hey mnemoc
20:46 < acehunky> there ?
21:23 < trb7> back
21:23 < trb7> hmm, e-modules it's almost done
21:23 < trb7> only 1 renegade module insists in lib/
21:24 < mnemoc> :D
21:29 < morfoh> trb7: hopefully it isn't that ugly :)
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21:41 < trb7> lol
21:41 < trb7> well, it works already
21:42 < mnemoc> what was the problem on your initial hack?
21:42 < trb7> the .desc file
21:42 < mnemoc> ?
21:42 < trb7> it was using e17-conf.in
21:42 < mnemoc> all e17 files must use e17-conf.in
21:42 < trb7> well, e17-conf.in had the autogen.sh
21:43 < trb7> i created a conf, and added an architecture check, then the expression replacement
21:43 < trb7> then the prefix (/opt/e17/) then autogen=1
21:43 < trb7> well, it's a test
21:43 < trb7> at least it works, so now we can deal with the "beauty pass"
21:43 < trb7> ;)
21:43 < mnemoc> try to move that hack into the generic toy ,-)
21:44 < trb7> e17-conf.in ?
21:44 < mnemoc> morfoh doens't know about beatuy ,-)
21:44 < trb7> well, i do some really ugly things sometimes too, i have to confess
21:44 < trb7> eheheheheh
21:44 < trb7> but i'll get there, eventually
21:45 < mnemoc> :)
21:45 < trb7> one thing, if all e17 packages use e17-conf.in
21:45 < trb7> that hook won't be ran by all packages referencing e17-conf.in ?
21:45 < trb7> or i can apply it conditionally, to a specific package?
21:46 < mnemoc> uhm, is this bug only affecting emodules?
21:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: you're blaming me ? ... f* asshole
21:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: no pan cakes
21:46 < mnemoc> :\
21:46 < morfoh> :)
21:46 < trb7> 1m, yes, so far
21:46 < trb7> 1m
21:47 < trb7> so far yes, but i'm going to continue building, e17 apps, etc...
21:47 < morfoh> trb7: btw, the 17 needs some more polishing
21:47 < trb7> to make sure everything's ok
21:47 < morfoh> e17
21:47 < trb7> well, i knew t2 2.2 was development work... ;)
21:47 < mnemoc> i'm waiting for e18 before playing with that sh*t
21:48 < morfoh> I've some major changes on my local disc here ;)
21:48 < morfoh> trb7: look at this mnemoc b*tch :)
21:48 < trb7> but if everything's ok, at least, it'll be one less problem ;)
21:48 < trb7> *problem less
21:49 < trb7> ok, going to check e17-conf.in and see how i can move this into e17-conf.in
21:49 < trb7> my concern is that the expression replacement occurs in everything, which actually wouldn't be so bad
21:50 < trb7> ok, going to see how i can clean this
21:50 < mnemoc> a suggestion, please first grep for offending files
21:50 < mnemoc> then echo_warn, and then fix
21:51 < sepp_> i have a locally updated e17 here - they make nice looking software but the amount of changes is insane
21:51 < morfoh> sepp_: ack
21:54 < trb7> offending files?
21:54 < trb7> well, e-modules
21:54 < trb7> all of them
21:54 < trb7> all the configure.in and configure.ac
21:54 < trb7> :)
21:55 < mnemoc> list them all ,-) as with do on the other hacks
21:56 < mnemoc> that way we *know* which packages' developers need to be spanked
21:57 < trb7> ok :)
21:57 * morfoh likes to spank stable tree maintainers :p
21:57 < trb7> the big problem with this was the e17 ignored what you passed as libdir or datadir
21:57 < trb7> well, e-modules, i guess e17 developers weren't thinking about x86-64
21:58 < trb7> ok, 1m, going to finish this
21:58 < morfoh> :)
21:59 < sepp_> 64 is the number of changes in e17 in a week that breaks everything from ground up :p
21:59 < morfoh> sepp_: what do you think ? when do we want to update e17 ? :)
21:59 < morfoh> :p
22:00 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
22:00 < morfoh> :)
22:00 < sepp_> never - latest in t2 cvs snapshot works fine
22:01 < morfoh> sepp_: hmmm ... but that means no fun :/ ... boring you are :p
22:01 * morfoh hides
22:01 < sepp_> maybe in 3 years we can update to a pre-alpha :)
22:02 < morfoh> sepp_: oh ... didn't know that you're a big optimist :p
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22:06 < morfoh> sepp: the most funny things are the "shelves" within the updated e17 ... right ? :p
22:06 < morfoh> I hate that shit
22:06 < sepp> well, in 3 years they will have developed and thrown away 20 media players 12 rss clients 56 filemanagers and what not
22:08 < morfoh> sepp: start to write your own ;)
22:09 < sepp> :)
22:09 < morfoh> BCP -> The BrownCoalPlayer :)
22:09 < sepp> old iBar was nice - i tested new e17 05-28 on my laptop, that is very strange
22:10 < morfoh> ack
22:10 < sepp> the shelf ...
22:10 < morfoh> and the funny thing is that this f* shelf hardwires stuff like the pager
22:11 < morfoh> add a second and you have two pager
22:12 < sepp> don't worry - 2 months and there will be a new shelf
22:12 < morfoh> :)
22:14 < morfoh> sepp: for me they don't have to invent a new one ... they should just remove the current :p
22:14 < sepp> anyway, i still like e17 - i run my laptop mostly @ 400mhz and it is nice and fast
22:14 < morfoh> :)
22:14 < morfoh> sepp: the wm is fast and it has low latency :)
22:15 < morfoh> same here on my borked box :)
22:19 < sepp> only thing missing is equeror
22:20 < morfoh> sepp: start to write it :)
22:20 < morfoh> sepp: ewl is quite nice :)
22:25 < sepp> (:
22:26 < sepp> i looked at efl before ...
22:32 < sepp> not as insane as gtk
22:42 < morfoh> sepp: I'm not a GUI programming expert, but playing with ewl was quite straight forward
22:43 < morfoh> sepp: the handbooks are quite out of date but observing existing code helped out :)
22:43 < sepp> i mean there is no thing like: gtk_ohh_my_gosh_i_really_like_silly_function_names_with_a_gazillon_underscores_in_the_name_like_gtk_gwidget_g_color_bar( 8 gARGUMENTs ... )
22:43 < morfoh> :D
22:44 < mnemoc> gn8 *
22:45 < morfoh> sepp: so when we can expect equeror ? :)
22:45 < morfoh> gn8 mnemoc :)
22:45 < sepp> hmmm in 3 years
22:45 < trb7> good night mnemoc
22:45 < sepp> night mnemoc
22:45 < trb7> i'll mail this to the mailing list
22:46 < trb7> ok, building the e17-conf.in approach
22:46 < trb7> ;)
22:47 < morfoh> trb7: :)
22:47 < karasz> gn8 mnemoc
22:48 < morfoh> sepp: what fm do you like ?
22:48 < sepp> mc
22:48 < morfoh> mc sepp :)
22:49 < morfoh> and mc karasz :)
22:49 < sepp> the small version in t2 is a bit buggy :/
22:49 < karasz> hm?
22:50 < morfoh> sepp: what means buggy ?
22:50 < sepp> morfoh: often hangs (at least twice a week)
22:51 < karasz> it never happened to me...
22:51 < sepp> but i was not able to reproduce it so far
22:52 < karasz> but then again, i do not use it but just for browsing, moving renaming and setting permissions
22:52 < karasz> no ftp links or network links
22:53 < sepp> it is the only file manager i ever got used to
22:55 < sepp> but 4.1.40-pre9 is a bit buggy
22:58 < sepp> worker would be ok, but i am too lazy to configure it 24h
22:58 < trb7> ok, it worked
22:59 < sepp> :)
22:59 < trb7> i'm proud, i managed to resist the temptation of flooding e17's mailing list with hate mail
22:59 < trb7> :)
22:59 < trb7> going to send to the t2 ml, 1m
22:59 < karasz> hi trb7 ;)
22:59 < trb7> needs some cleaning, but it's a starting point
22:59 < trb7> hi karasz :)
22:59 < morfoh> trb7: :)
22:59 < karasz> good to see you again :D
23:00 < trb7> everything's perfect in x86-64, except xmame
23:00 < trb7> but other than that, everything's fine
23:00 < trb7> :)
23:11 < trb7> ok, mail sent
23:11 < trb7> mail/patch
23:22 < sepp> hearing FCC song :)
23:24 < trb7> lol
23:24 < sepp> http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3
23:24 < trb7> i have it, it's a classic
23:24 < trb7> btw, where's that shower song?
23:25 < morfoh> sepp: :)
23:59 < trb7> good night everyone
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09:11 < rxr> moin fellows
09:20 < mtr> moin rxr
09:21 < rxr> hi mtr
09:35 < Baldzius> hi rxr mtr
09:37 < rxr> moin Baldzius
09:42 < CIA-3> aldas * r17764 /trunk/package/gnome2/file-roller/file-roller.desc: * updated file-roller (2.14.2 -> 2.14.3)
09:46 < CIA-3> aldas * r17765 /trunk/package/www/seamonkey/seamonkey.desc:
09:46 < CIA-3> * updated seamonkey (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
09:46 < CIA-3> * changed prio ( 154.800 -> 153.00 ) before devhelp
09:48 < CIA-3> aldas * r17766 /trunk/package/mail/thunderbird/thunderbird.desc: * updated thunderbird (1.5.0.2 -> 1.5.0.4)
09:54 < mtr> hi Baldzius
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10:31 < CIA-3> rene * r17767 /tags/2.2.0-rc/package/x86/grub/mactel.patch:
10:31 < CIA-3> * merged r17750 and r17753 from trunk to tags/2.2.0-rc: grub fixes
10:31 < CIA-3> for Intel Macintosh's (A20 gate handling)
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11:30 < rxr> mnemoc: T2DOWNOPT should have been name SDEDOWNOPT ...
11:30 < mnemoc> uhm... ack
11:33 < mnemoc> but i prefer to go in $HOME/.sde direction for that kind of things
11:34 < rxr> well, where $HOME means root for now - which is a bit imperfect, but sure
11:45 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/2.2.html
14:02 < mtr> ^-- #5, i guess "now relying" should read "not relying"
16:39 < rxr> mtr: thanks - fixed
16:39 < rxr> mnemoc: what reason has your .md5 file you write during Create-ISO now when the file contains the iso/ prefix?
16:40 < mnemoc> iirc it was cut
16:41 < mnemoc> uhm, that'S abug
16:41 < rxr> hm ic
16:41 < mnemoc> the */ has to be cuted out
16:41 < rxr> I'll take a look
16:41 < mnemoc> thanks
16:42 < rxr> when we create such a file I would rather md5sum on-the-fly when the file is written out using | tee - since now it is damn slower since the files are re-read
16:42 < rxr> since this all is i/o bound md5sum on-the-fly should bring the original speed back
16:42 < mnemoc> i have not feel the diference but the change makes sense
16:44 < rxr> well - at the end the files are re-read
16:44 < rxr> that should take some time
16:44 < rxr> well, even on my SATA ppc64 it does ,-)
16:44 < mnemoc> :)
16:45 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/t2/stable/2.2.0-rc/
16:45 < rxr> partly rebuild (x86 and x86-64) after I installed them
16:46 < rxr> hope they are only better not worther than what I tested
16:46 < rxr> e.g. x86 includes the final grub fix, when I tested I was not allowed to hit a key in grub on a Macbook in order to not freeze it
16:46 < rxr> and x86-64 just for the sake of it, likewise
16:47 < rxr> in /theory/ they should still be fine
16:47 < rxr> we'll hear soon
16:47 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/2.2.html
16:48 < rxr> ^- anything important missing ?
17:21 < CIA-3> chris * r17768 /trunk/package/develop/memprof/ (. memprof.desc): * added memprof (0.5.9) - A Tool for memory profiling and leak detection.
17:23 < _Ragnar_> rxr: you broke madwifi :)
17:33 < rxr> _Ragnar_: builds and works fine on a Apple Macbook ,-)
17:33 < rxr> _Ragnar_: what is the error you get ?
17:34 < _Ragnar_> depmod being called
17:34 < rxr> autsch
17:34 < _Ragnar_> and it picking up the running system kernel version instead of the chroot one
17:35 < rxr> missed that most probably due to static depmod
17:35 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ok I'll rebuild another kernel and fix - thanks for the note
17:35 < _Ragnar_> ok thx :)
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17:47 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.2.0-rc RELEASED | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
18:10 < _Ragnar_> what should I be using for java these days? gcc, sun, or blackdown?
18:11 < mnemoc> i prefer kaffe
18:11 < rxr> kaffe doesnot work on nearly all !x86 platforms
18:12 < mnemoc> and what do you suggest?
18:13 < rxr> depends - if x86 is enough kaffe is fine
18:13 < rxr> in general I prefer gcj since it is quite complete as well these days and works on nearly all gcc platforms
18:13 < _Ragnar_> does it work on x86_64?
18:14 < rxr> _Ragnar_: kaffe people claim that some releases and CVS (or so) HEAD works on x86-64
18:14 < rxr> gcj does
18:16 < _Ragnar_> ok thanks :)
18:17 < _Ragnar_> oh should we try to auto-adjust the .la files for changed locations of gcc-version dependent libs? o_o
18:18 < mnemoc> we are trying to do so
18:18 < mnemoc> or not?
18:18 < rxr> someone told me they remove the .la files after installation and that would be better to do ,-)
18:18 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
18:18 < rxr> mnemoc: I guess _Ragnar_ means after a new gcc version is out - e.g. 4.1.0 -> 4.1.1
18:18 < _Ragnar_> yepp
18:18 < mnemoc> rxr: ah, ok
18:19 < rxr> I would remove absolute prefixes in the la files - so that they never have a absolute gcc path in them
18:19 < rxr> e.g. gcc or so can not just blindly touch all .la files
18:19 < rxr> at least not without tricking the flist wrappery to slap gcc heavily
18:19 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
18:19 < rxr> so - me away
18:19 < _Ragnar_> cya thanks
18:19 < rxr> _Ragnar_: not for that
18:20 < rxr> and I review madwifi
18:20 < rxr> and md5sum
18:29 < CIA-3> chris * r17769 /trunk/package/develop/libtasn1/libtasn1.desc: * updated libtasn1 (0.2.18 -> 0.3.4)
18:30 < CIA-3> chris * r17770 /trunk/package/security/gnutls/gnutls.desc: * updated gnutls (1.2.10 -> 1.2.11)
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18:37 < trb7> hi
18:37 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: btw, did you solved the koffice issue ?
18:38 < morfoh> hi trb7
18:38 < trb7> hi morfoh
18:38 < mnemoc> wb trb7
18:38 < _Ragnar_> morfoh: no >.<
18:38 < trb7> hi mnemoc, Ragnar
18:38 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: hmmmm ... :(
18:39 < morfoh> do we have any functioning "office suite" on 2.2 ?
18:40 < _Ragnar_> uuuhm
18:40 < mnemoc> gnome-office builds on trunk
18:40 < mnemoc> i have not tested it on runtime
18:40 < CIA-3> chris * r17771 /trunk/package/network/nessus/nessus.desc: * updated nessus (2.2.4 -> 2.2.7)
18:44 < CIA-3> chris * r17772 /trunk/package/python/psyco/ (. psyco.cache psyco.desc): * added psyco (1.5.1) - The Python specializing compiler.
18:45 < CIA-3> chris * r17773 /trunk/package/python/pycrypto/ (. pycrypto.cache pycrypto.desc): * added pycrypto (2.0.1) - A cryptographic toolkit for Python.
18:46 < CIA-3> chris * r17774 /trunk/package/python/pydns/ (. pydns.cache pydns.desc): * added pydns (2.3.0) - A DNS module for Python.
18:48 < trb7> hmm, anyone has 1m to answer a quick question?
18:48 < trb7> i've been having problems with e-modules (e17) in x86-64
18:48 < morfoh> trb7: what kind of problem ?
18:48 < trb7> the modules are placed in /opt/e17/lib/modules/whatever...
18:49 < trb7> regardless of what you pass as libdir
18:49 < trb7> i tried creating a conf
18:49 < trb7> with this
18:49 < trb7> hook_add preconf 3 'find -name configure.in -exec sed -i -e "s,/lib/enlightenment,/lib64/enlightenment,g" {} \;'
18:49 < trb7> so this would go before the autogen.sh
18:50 < trb7> (btw, just for a test, we would do a check for x86_64 before applying this finally)
18:50 < trb7> i ran the sed expression in the extracted tarball, and it works
18:50 < CIA-3> chris * r17775 /trunk/package/python/pyweblib/ (. pyweblib.cache pyweblib.desc): * added pyweblib (1.3.4) - A web programming framework for Python.
18:51 < trb7> the log shows that is executed before the autogen, but still, the log also shows that the actual configuration still insists in using /opt/e17/lib
18:51 < trb7> so i'm doing something wrong there
18:51 < trb7> another thing, by using ${libdir} in the sed expression
18:51 < trb7> it could be architecture independent, but ${libdir} = lib (should be lib64)
18:52 < trb7> so in the end, all modules are placed in /opt/e17/lib, and only 1 library, is placed in /opt/e17/lib64
18:52 < trb7> am i missing something in that .conf line?
19:08 < CIA-3> amery * r17776 /trunk/package/develop/memprof/memprof.cache: * added cache file for memprof
19:09 < mnemoc> trb7: try hooking a function and make the sed call inside it
19:09 < CIA-3> chris * r17777 /trunk/package/develop/libnotify/ (. libnotify.cache libnotify.desc): * added libnotify (0.4.0) - A Notifications Library.
19:14 < trb7> ok
19:14 < trb7> i'm going to try it after dinner
19:15 < trb7> brb ;)
19:17 < morfoh> trb7: good apetite :)
19:25 < CIA-3> chris * r17778 /trunk/package/perl/gtk2-perl/ (. gtk2-perl.cache gtk2-perl.desc): * added gtk2-perl (2.14.1) - Perl bindings for GTK+ 2.x.
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19:37 < karasz> it seems that ones longest journey is the one towards himself.
19:37 < karasz> screen nicklist
19:37 < mnemoc> wb karasz !!
19:37 < morfoh> wb tavarish karasz :)
19:37 < karasz> hello all.
19:39 < CIA-3> chris * r17779 /trunk/package/develop/libtextcat/libtextcat.conf: * fixed libtextcat to copy its header file to $includedir
19:41 < CIA-3> chris * r17780 /trunk/package/develop/libtextcat/libtextcat.cache: * added missing .cache file for libtextcat package
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19:45 < CIA-3> chris * r17781 /trunk/package/perl/perl-glib/perl-glib.desc: * updated perl-glib (1.100 -> 1.120)
19:48 < CIA-3> chris * r17782 /trunk/package/perl/perl-extutils-depends/perl-extutils-depends.desc: * removed trailing space of the [V] tag
19:49 < CIA-3> chris * r17783 /trunk/package/perl/perl-extutils-pkgconfig/perl-extutils-pkgconfig.desc: * removed trailing space of the [V] tag
19:57 < LMJ> hello the chan
19:57 < LMJ> hello rxr_
19:57 < LMJ> great news abour t2 2.2
19:57 < CIA-3> chris * r17784 /trunk/package/python/python-ldap/python-ldap.conf: * fixed python-ldap by removing hardcoded sasl from setup.cfg if cyrus-sasl2 isn't installed, moved the premake hook to preconf
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20:46 < acehunky> hey mnemoc
20:46 < acehunky> there ?
21:23 < trb7> back
21:23 < trb7> hmm, e-modules it's almost done
21:23 < trb7> only 1 renegade module insists in lib/
21:24 < mnemoc> :D
21:29 < morfoh> trb7: hopefully it isn't that ugly :)
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21:41 < trb7> lol
21:41 < trb7> well, it works already
21:42 < mnemoc> what was the problem on your initial hack?
21:42 < trb7> the .desc file
21:42 < mnemoc> ?
21:42 < trb7> it was using e17-conf.in
21:42 < mnemoc> all e17 files must use e17-conf.in
21:42 < trb7> well, e17-conf.in had the autogen.sh
21:43 < trb7> i created a conf, and added an architecture check, then the expression replacement
21:43 < trb7> then the prefix (/opt/e17/) then autogen=1
21:43 < trb7> well, it's a test
21:43 < trb7> at least it works, so now we can deal with the "beauty pass"
21:43 < trb7> ;)
21:43 < mnemoc> try to move that hack into the generic toy ,-)
21:44 < trb7> e17-conf.in ?
21:44 < mnemoc> morfoh doens't know about beatuy ,-)
21:44 < trb7> well, i do some really ugly things sometimes too, i have to confess
21:44 < trb7> eheheheheh
21:44 < trb7> but i'll get there, eventually
21:45 < mnemoc> :)
21:45 < trb7> one thing, if all e17 packages use e17-conf.in
21:45 < trb7> that hook won't be ran by all packages referencing e17-conf.in ?
21:45 < trb7> or i can apply it conditionally, to a specific package?
21:46 < mnemoc> uhm, is this bug only affecting emodules?
21:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: you're blaming me ? ... f* asshole
21:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: no pan cakes
21:46 < mnemoc> :\
21:46 < morfoh> :)
21:46 < trb7> 1m, yes, so far
21:46 < trb7> 1m
21:47 < trb7> so far yes, but i'm going to continue building, e17 apps, etc...
21:47 < morfoh> trb7: btw, the 17 needs some more polishing
21:47 < trb7> to make sure everything's ok
21:47 < morfoh> e17
21:47 < trb7> well, i knew t2 2.2 was development work... ;)
21:47 < mnemoc> i'm waiting for e18 before playing with that sh*t
21:48 < morfoh> I've some major changes on my local disc here ;)
21:48 < morfoh> trb7: look at this mnemoc b*tch :)
21:48 < trb7> but if everything's ok, at least, it'll be one less problem ;)
21:48 < trb7> *problem less
21:49 < trb7> ok, going to check e17-conf.in and see how i can move this into e17-conf.in
21:49 < trb7> my concern is that the expression replacement occurs in everything, which actually wouldn't be so bad
21:50 < trb7> ok, going to see how i can clean this
21:50 < mnemoc> a suggestion, please first grep for offending files
21:50 < mnemoc> then echo_warn, and then fix
21:51 < sepp_> i have a locally updated e17 here - they make nice looking software but the amount of changes is insane
21:51 < morfoh> sepp_: ack
21:54 < trb7> offending files?
21:54 < trb7> well, e-modules
21:54 < trb7> all of them
21:54 < trb7> all the configure.in and configure.ac
21:54 < trb7> :)
21:55 < mnemoc> list them all ,-) as with do on the other hacks
21:56 < mnemoc> that way we *know* which packages' developers need to be spanked
21:57 < trb7> ok :)
21:57 * morfoh likes to spank stable tree maintainers :p
21:57 < trb7> the big problem with this was the e17 ignored what you passed as libdir or datadir
21:57 < trb7> well, e-modules, i guess e17 developers weren't thinking about x86-64
21:58 < trb7> ok, 1m, going to finish this
21:58 < morfoh> :)
21:59 < sepp_> 64 is the number of changes in e17 in a week that breaks everything from ground up :p
21:59 < morfoh> sepp_: what do you think ? when do we want to update e17 ? :)
21:59 < morfoh> :p
22:00 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
22:00 < morfoh> :)
22:00 < sepp_> never - latest in t2 cvs snapshot works fine
22:01 < morfoh> sepp_: hmmm ... but that means no fun :/ ... boring you are :p
22:01 * morfoh hides
22:01 < sepp_> maybe in 3 years we can update to a pre-alpha :)
22:02 < morfoh> sepp_: oh ... didn't know that you're a big optimist :p
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22:06 < morfoh> sepp: the most funny things are the "shelves" within the updated e17 ... right ? :p
22:06 < morfoh> I hate that shit
22:06 < sepp> well, in 3 years they will have developed and thrown away 20 media players 12 rss clients 56 filemanagers and what not
22:08 < morfoh> sepp: start to write your own ;)
22:09 < sepp> :)
22:09 < morfoh> BCP -> The BrownCoalPlayer :)
22:09 < sepp> old iBar was nice - i tested new e17 05-28 on my laptop, that is very strange
22:10 < morfoh> ack
22:10 < sepp> the shelf ...
22:10 < morfoh> and the funny thing is that this f* shelf hardwires stuff like the pager
22:11 < morfoh> add a second and you have two pager
22:12 < sepp> don't worry - 2 months and there will be a new shelf
22:12 < morfoh> :)
22:14 < morfoh> sepp: for me they don't have to invent a new one ... they should just remove the current :p
22:14 < sepp> anyway, i still like e17 - i run my laptop mostly @ 400mhz and it is nice and fast
22:14 < morfoh> :)
22:14 < morfoh> sepp: the wm is fast and it has low latency :)
22:15 < morfoh> same here on my borked box :)
22:19 < sepp> only thing missing is equeror
22:20 < morfoh> sepp: start to write it :)
22:20 < morfoh> sepp: ewl is quite nice :)
22:25 < sepp> (:
22:26 < sepp> i looked at efl before ...
22:32 < sepp> not as insane as gtk
22:42 < morfoh> sepp: I'm not a GUI programming expert, but playing with ewl was quite straight forward
22:43 < morfoh> sepp: the handbooks are quite out of date but observing existing code helped out :)
22:43 < sepp> i mean there is no thing like: gtk_ohh_my_gosh_i_really_like_silly_function_names_with_a_gazillon_underscores_in_the_name_like_gtk_gwidget_g_color_bar( 8 gARGUMENTs ... )
22:43 < morfoh> :D
22:44 < mnemoc> gn8 *
22:45 < morfoh> sepp: so when we can expect equeror ? :)
22:45 < morfoh> gn8 mnemoc :)
22:45 < sepp> hmmm in 3 years
22:45 < trb7> good night mnemoc
22:45 < sepp> night mnemoc
22:45 < trb7> i'll mail this to the mailing list
22:46 < trb7> ok, building the e17-conf.in approach
22:46 < trb7> ;)
22:47 < morfoh> trb7: :)
22:47 < karasz> gn8 mnemoc
22:48 < morfoh> sepp: what fm do you like ?
22:48 < sepp> mc
22:48 < morfoh> mc sepp :)
22:49 < morfoh> and mc karasz :)
22:49 < sepp> the small version in t2 is a bit buggy :/
22:49 < karasz> hm?
22:50 < morfoh> sepp: what means buggy ?
22:50 < sepp> morfoh: often hangs (at least twice a week)
22:51 < karasz> it never happened to me...
22:51 < sepp> but i was not able to reproduce it so far
22:52 < karasz> but then again, i do not use it but just for browsing, moving renaming and setting permissions
22:52 < karasz> no ftp links or network links
22:53 < sepp> it is the only file manager i ever got used to
22:55 < sepp> but 4.1.40-pre9 is a bit buggy
22:58 < sepp> worker would be ok, but i am too lazy to configure it 24h
22:58 < trb7> ok, it worked
22:59 < sepp> :)
22:59 < trb7> i'm proud, i managed to resist the temptation of flooding e17's mailing list with hate mail
22:59 < trb7> :)
22:59 < trb7> going to send to the t2 ml, 1m
22:59 < karasz> hi trb7 ;)
22:59 < trb7> needs some cleaning, but it's a starting point
22:59 < trb7> hi karasz :)
22:59 < morfoh> trb7: :)
22:59 < karasz> good to see you again :D
23:00 < trb7> everything's perfect in x86-64, except xmame
23:00 < trb7> but other than that, everything's fine
23:00 < trb7> :)
23:11 < trb7> ok, mail sent
23:11 < trb7> mail/patch
23:22 < sepp> hearing FCC song :)
23:24 < trb7> lol
23:24 < sepp> http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3
23:24 < trb7> i have it, it's a classic
23:24 < trb7> btw, where's that shower song?
23:25 < morfoh> sepp: :)
23:59 < trb7> good night everyone
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