--- Log opened Mon Jun 05 00:00:00 2006
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00:17 < NovenTheHero> hello =)
00:17 < mnemoc> time to sleep, gn8 *
00:22 < LuciEatsPeople> heh
00:22 < LuciEatsPeople> that means I'm cooking dinner and feeding my family :)
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01:03 < karasz> cu guys
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01:39 < keinek> hey my t2 rc 2.2 compilation is in stage 5, i cant believe it, congratulations guys, this is work fine :)
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05:32 < CIA-3> aldas * r17799 /trunk/package/contrib/dfb-extra/ (dfb-extra.conf dfb-extra.desc):
05:32 < CIA-3> * updated dfb-extra (0.9.23 -> 0.9.25)
05:32 < CIA-3> * copyright update
05:33 < CIA-3> aldas * r17800 /trunk/package/contrib/dfb-examples/dfb-examples.desc: * updated dfb-examples (0.9.23 -> 0.9.25)
05:33 < CIA-3> aldas * r17801 /trunk/package/contrib/dfb++/dfb++.desc: * updated dfb++ (0.9.23 -> 0.9.25)
05:42 < CIA-3> aldas * r17802 /trunk/package/scientific/root/root.desc: * updated root (5.08.00 -> 5.11.06)
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05:52 < Lucifer_arma> there's no init on the iso installer image
05:52 < Lucifer_arma> qemu says there isn't anyway, when I try to boot it
05:52 < Lucifer_arma> what package did I forget this time? :(
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07:54 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: no idea - where did you get what exact error ?
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07:54 < Lucifer_arma> qemu, while booting the iso image
07:59 < rxr> hm
07:59 < rxr> what target did you build? generic + selfdefined package selection ?
08:00 < rxr> maybe you miss one of the bits required for the early userspace: udev, pdksh, minised, embutils, dietlibc disktype
08:00 < rxr> IIRC
08:00 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: you should have used something more pre-defined to your first tests, steps ,-))
08:00 < Lucifer_arma> custom target
08:00 < Lucifer_arma> first target I built built fine. :) It was the desktop, awhile back. Now I'm customizing.... ;)
08:02 < Lucifer_arma> those are all in there
08:02 < Lucifer_arma> oh, the exact error was "Kernel panic, no /init found"
08:03 < Lucifer_arma> Failed to execute /init
08:03 < Lucifer_arma> Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel.
08:06 < rxr> guess pdksh is missing
08:07 < Lucifer_arma> hmmm, it's in the pkgsel file
08:08 < Lucifer_arma> it's in build/*/var/adm/packages
08:09 < Lucifer_arma> root@ghostwheel:/home/dave/Projects/t2-trunk/build/carlinux-2.2-trunk-carlinux-x86-i486/var/adm/logs# ls *pdksh*
08:09 < Lucifer_arma> 1-pdksh.log 5-pdksh.log
08:09 < rxr> hm
08:09 < misl> morning all
08:09 < Lucifer_arma> I started with the minimal.in file from the generic target
08:10 < rxr> that is suppost to work
08:10 < rxr> you have dietlibc in your build ?
08:10 < Lucifer_arma> yes
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08:11 < rxr> f# file build/.../bin/pdksh
08:11 < rxr> -f
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08:11 < nick01> hi
08:11 < nick01> anyone around ?
08:12 < nick01> the install is stuck at that type stone stage
08:12 < Lucifer_arma> bin/pdksh: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
08:13 < rxr> it must be statically linked
08:13 < Lucifer_arma> sbin/init is there too
08:14 < rxr> the init is not the one used for the install CD
08:14 < nick01> HELP !!!
08:14 < rxr> nick01: yeah - hi
08:14 < nick01> hi
08:14 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: can you rebuild pdksh: ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg your-config-id -job 5-pdksh
08:14 < nick01> this is the ppc version btw
08:14 < rxr> nick01: ah - nice, where do you need help ?
08:15 < Lucifer_arma> sure, I was firing up Config to see if I set a wrong config item
08:15 < nick01> I just wanna install it
08:15 < nick01> it sais trype stone
08:15 < nick01> I typed stone
08:15 < nick01> I pressed enter
08:15 < nick01> and nothing happens
08:16 < rxr> when you booted the CD, right ?=
08:16 < nick01> yeah
08:16 < rxr> I think one must type "install"
08:16 < rxr> IIRC
08:16 < rxr> does the text list stone ?
08:16 < nick01> it sais type stone
08:16 < nick01> after loading the second stage
08:17 < rxr> yeak - ok stone should work
08:18 < nick01> it doesn't work
08:18 < rxr> do you have the ppc or ppc64 ISO ?
08:18 < nick01> ppc
08:18 < rxr> and what hardware are you on ?
08:18 < nick01> ibook g3 300 mhz
08:18 < nick01> clamshell
08:18 < rxr> hm, that should be all fine
08:18 < Lucifer_arma> file build/*/bin/pdksh
08:18 < Lucifer_arma> build/carlinux-2.2-trunk-carlinux-x86-i486/bin/pdksh: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
08:18 < rxr> when you type stone, is there an error or just nothing as in "hanging"
08:19 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: did you start your own target, or did you alter / add some pkg preselection template ß
08:19 < rxr> ? even
08:19 < Lucifer_arma> I started my own target, taking files from generic to set it up
08:19 < nick01> hanging
08:19 < Lucifer_arma> I took config.in and build.sh from generic and used them unmodified
08:19 < nick01> I typed stone on the next line again
08:19 < nick01> I tried install
08:19 < Lucifer_arma> wait, that's not true, config.in is different
08:19 < nick01> nothingt nada]
08:21 < nick01> well ?
08:21 < nick01> rxr: ?
08:21 < nick01> try text ?
08:22 < rxr> nick01: strange, the ppc isos have been tested to work here
08:22 * rxr can not really imagine what could be wrong
08:22 < Lucifer_arma> -> Preparing configuration to build this package with dietlibc (dynamically).
08:23 * Lucifer_arma thinks he's zeroing in on what's wrong
08:23 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: I bet your config.in differs in a way to not for the early userspace packages to be static
08:23 < nick01> don't feel so bad - suse 10.1 didn't even get detected fc5's installer gave errors and the last ubuntu released now didn't even boot right
08:23 < rxr> nick01: I retest the ISO on a 900Mhz iBook here and come back to you in some minutes, ok ?
08:23 < nick01> firmware error
08:24 < nick01> k
08:24 < rxr> nick01: the framebuffer console looked all right I hope ?
08:24 < nick01> yes
08:25 < Lucifer_arma> in ./scripts/Config, pdksh was marked to link dynamically to dietlibc
08:26 < Lucifer_arma> it wouldn't unmark, so I just disabled it globally
08:26 < Lucifer_arma> -> Preparing configuration to build this package with dietlibc (statically).
08:26 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: so go readd the static marks ;-)
08:27 < rxr> nick01: ok, cd burning - I give you a note in 15 minutes ++
08:27 < nick01> rxr: maybe u should get a clamshell yourself to test on
08:28 < Lucifer_arma> still same error
08:30 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: you know that you need a Build-Target without a -job specification to let it rebuild your image ?
08:30 < rxr> and then a Create-ISO ?
08:31 < Lucifer_arma> umm, not sure, but I just ran it as you're saying and waiting
08:31 < rxr> Build-Target -job ?-some-job
08:31 < rxr> Build-Target
08:31 < nick01> your installer is very slow - it's written in python or what ? :)
08:31 < rxr> ^- will only rebuild the images
08:31 < Lucifer_arma> no, it would blaze if it were written in python.
08:31 < Lucifer_arma> it's all shell scripts....
08:32 < rxr> nick01: it did come up now ?
08:32 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: and the Create-ISO to build the iso images
08:32 < nick01> now it's stuck at if u use a serial terminal
08:32 < rxr> the stuff is actually pretty normal speed
08:32 < rxr> it should start immediatly
08:32 < Lucifer_arma> ok, still same error after doing Build-Target like normal and Create-ISO
08:33 < nick01> it's been like that for a while
08:33 < rxr> nick01: what do you have on the screen now ?
08:33 < Lucifer_arma> yeah, the bottleneck on installers is CDROM/hard drive speed anyway, it's terribly difficult to write an installer that makes it much slower than that already
08:33 < Lucifer_arma> you'd have to be trying to make the installer slow, heh
08:34 < Lucifer_arma> those distributions that claim fast installations just do it by not installing crap nobody ever uses anyway
08:34 < nick01> rxr: that paragraph about serial terminal and serial port
08:34 < rxr> err
08:34 < rxr> you just hit enter there right ?
08:34 < nick01> that's the last thing on the screen
08:34 < Lucifer_arma> rxr: do I need to cleanup first?
08:34 < rxr> Lucifer_arma: nope
08:34 < nick01> no I hit nothing
08:34 < rxr> you need to hit enter on the serial / console questions
08:34 < nick01> should I ?
08:34 < rxr> in order to use the default
08:34 < nick01> k
08:35 < rxr> yes it is written there
08:35 < Lucifer_arma> maybe I've somehow left the 2nd stage out of the installer?
08:35 < rxr> well, ok only what the default is
08:35 < nick01> works now !
08:37 < CIA-3> rene * r17803 /trunk/target/share/install/rootfs/sbin/init:
08:37 < CIA-3> * clarified the 2nd stage console question and list the class, now
08:37 < CIA-3> u/dev name for the serial ports
08:37 < rxr> so now you are in the installer ;-) ?
08:37 < nick01> rxr: should I use a hfs partition 1 mb for /boot ?
08:38 < rxr> nope this 1mb hfs partition is the bootstrap partition for the boot loader
08:38 < rxr> do not use it for anything
08:38 < rxr> yaboot resists on it
08:38 < nick01> I don't mount it ?
08:38 < rxr> nope
08:38 < nick01> k
08:38 < rxr> yaboot (or better ybin) manages it
08:40 < rxr> can you do me a favour, when you switch to another console (the usual option key f2 or so)
08:40 < rxr> and run: parted /dev/sda print
08:40 < rxr> err
08:40 < rxr> and run: parted /dev/hda print
08:40 < nick01> rxr: me ?
08:40 < rxr> does it list a partition with the name "bootstrap" ?
08:40 < rxr> nick01: yep you
08:41 < nick01> it doesn't work
08:41 < nick01> getting to another console
08:42 < rxr> try option-key and right arrow then
08:42 < nick01> worked
08:42 < nick01> it sais nothing but using /dev/hda
08:42 < rxr> then your fn keys only work with the Fn key by default
08:42 < nick01> I know that
08:43 < rxr> is your hda empty ?
08:43 < nick01> I just formatted the root partition
08:43 < rxr> hm, ok - ignore my request, just continue your installation ,-))
08:43 < nick01> oh
08:44 < nick01> I forgot about the print part
08:44 < nick01> next to the hfs it sais untitled
08:44 < nick01> rxr: ?
08:45 < rxr> the 1MB HFS partition is untitled ?
08:45 < nick01> yes
08:46 < nick01> with boot flag
08:46 < nick01> rxr: so I install or not ?
08:47 < rxr> sure go ahead
08:47 < rxr> (but you might need some hints to get yaboot installed then
08:47 < rxr> because currently our yaboot install module looks for this bootsrap label and I feared other distributions might not have set this in the past ...)
08:48 < rxr> maybe install now and we tweak this when you reach installing yaboot
08:49 < nick01> damn
08:49 < nick01> there is only minimal install and full install
08:49 < nick01> I don't think I have space for full install
08:49 < nick01> of 2 cds
08:49 < rxr> no that is the preselection
08:49 < nick01> so ?
08:49 < rxr> you can tune it to your needs
08:49 < nick01> k
08:49 < rxr> select either full or minimal
08:49 < rxr> depending form what you want to start
08:49 < rxr> and then select
08:50 < rxr> alter the the selection
08:50 < rxr> and tweak it according to your needs
08:52 < nick01> do I need the database stuff ?
08:54 < rxr> not that I know off
08:54 < rxr> of
08:54 < rxr> how much HD space do you have ß
08:54 < rxr> ? even
08:54 < rxr> (damned keyboard)
08:55 < nick01> 3 gb
08:55 < nick01> 2.8 actualy I have swap too
08:56 < nick01> rxr: what's openjade ?
09:01 < rxr> docbook stuff IIRC
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09:04 < nick01> what version of enlightenment do u have ?
09:05 < nick01> rxr: ?????
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09:08 < nick01> hi sepp
09:08 < sepp> hello :)
09:08 < nick01> sepp: what version of enlightenment is included ?
09:08 < sepp> e16 and e17 cvs snapshot
09:08 < nick01> both ?
09:09 < nick01> how do I remove e16 ?
09:09 < sepp> ahh you mean in the desktop target, i think there is only e17
09:10 < nick01> enlightenment is listed both under desktop and under window manager
09:10 < nick01> am I to assume that the one under wm is e16 ?
09:12 < sepp> who knows
09:12 < nick01> grrr
09:12 < sepp> :)
09:12 < nick01> 16-0.16.8.1
09:12 < nick01> what's that ?
09:12 < sepp> that is enlightenment16
09:12 < nick01> so I can remove it
09:12 < nick01> tks
09:13 < sepp> btw http://t2-project.org/packages/ ;)
09:14 < sepp> e* is quite fast, even on old machines
09:15 < nick01> it still needs 2.2 gb - and I need at least 700 mb free- what else could I remove ?
09:15 < nick01> I selected gnome without kde
09:15 < sepp> tetex ?
09:15 < nick01> is that big ?
09:16 < sepp> http://t2-project.org/packages/tetex.html says it is 350mb
09:16 < nick01> wow
09:16 < nick01> what's it for ?
09:17 < rxr> this tex text setting system
09:17 < nick01> and in what section is it ?
09:17 < sepp> text processing
09:17 < rxr> with all its modules and so on
09:17 < nick01> I c
09:17 < nick01> yuck
09:19 < nick01> what are xfig and scribus ?
09:19 < nick01> sepp: ?
09:20 < sepp> scribus is a dtp program, but it would be easier if you look at http://t2-project.org/packages/ :)
09:20 < nick01> what's dtp ?
09:20 < sepp> desktop publishing
09:21 < nick01> don't need it
09:21 < nick01> and xfig ?
09:21 < sepp> ugly x11 drawing thingy
09:21 < nick01> graphic
09:21 < nick01> whatever
09:21 < nick01> don't need it either
09:22 < nick01> installing
09:27 < nick01> why is your ffmpeg so old ?
09:29 < rxr> guess some snapshot that has been profen to work
09:29 < rxr> Baldzius: maybe you want to schedule an ffmpeg update ,-)
09:29 < nick01> k
09:32 < nick01> rxr: sepp is there an alternative xvid codec ? cause xvid movies are unplayable on my hardware
09:33 < rxr> I think xvid is already quite an optimized one
09:33 < rxr> but I do not follow all the codecs too closely
09:34 < sepp> you mean a stand-alone dvd player?
09:34 < nick01> lol optimized for a pentium 4 3 ghz maybe
09:34 < nick01> no I mean a codec that plays xvid files
09:35 < sepp> on my really old laptop (celeron 300mhz) mplayer played most files without framedrops
09:36 < nick01> with xvid I get one fram every min and some sound :(
09:36 < nick01> frame
09:36 < nick01> no probs at all with divx
09:41 < nick01> now I get a list of Installing Installing etc and empty lines at the bottom
09:41 < nick01> it doesn't say what it's installing anymore
09:43 < nick01> rxr ? sepp ?
09:44 < nick01> it'sstuck
09:45 < nick01> HELP !!!
09:48 < rxr> re
09:48 < rxr> hm?
09:48 < rxr> empty lines what ?
09:49 < nick01> yeah]
09:50 < nick01> Installing
09:50 < nick01> Installing
09:50 < nick01> Installing
09:50 < nick01> then:
09:50 < nick01> .
09:50 < nick01> .
09:50 < nick01> .
09:50 < nick01> .
09:50 < nick01> .
09:50 < nick01> that's it
09:51 < rxr> hm
09:51 < rxr> normally at some point it asks for the next disk
09:51 < rxr> do you have it still on the screen?
09:51 < rxr> can you make a photo ?
09:52 < nick01> no I had a webcam but I'm returning it for malfunction there's nothing on that screen anyway
09:53 < nick01> lots of Disk #0: Installing
09:55 < nick01> rxr: I pressed a key and now it sais it can't find keynote
09:55 < nick01> Please insert disk #0]
09:56 < nick01> rxr: what does it want ?
09:56 < rxr> well, maybe this is the point there the next disc needs to be inserted
09:56 < rxr> insert #2 and press enter
09:57 < rxr> no idea why you had the screen blank
09:57 < rxr> never experienced this
09:57 < nick01> can u find out o what disk keynote is ?
09:57 < rxr> in which contry are you located ?
09:57 < nick01> Romania
09:57 < rxr> you only have two disks, right?
09:57 < nick01> right
09:57 < rxr> insert the 2nd and press enter
09:57 < rxr> that there is written #0 for the disk number is a bug I have on my todo to fix
09:57 < nick01> hmm ok I'll burn it
09:57 < rxr> no idea how this slipped in
09:58 < rxr> keybote ?
09:58 < rxr> keynote should be disc 1 btw
09:58 < rxr> just checked on my build machine
09:58 < rxr> what happen when you press "enter" ?
10:00 < nick01> it tries again to reqad it- it sais u didn't specify the file system type trying iso 9660
10:00 < nick01> is that ok ?
10:03 < nick01> HELP !!!
10:03 < rxr> hm
10:04 < nick01> well ? please fix it
10:04 < rxr> it might be ok, I do not know every line durring the installation off-hand
10:04 < rxr> does it ask what todo?
10:05 < rxr> Retry Skip Eject ?
10:05 < nick01> yes
10:06 < sepp> io error?
10:06 < nick01> no
10:07 < nick01> it just can't find it
10:07 < nick01> probably cause it's not on the cd
10:08 < nick01> brb I'll grab something to eat
10:08 < rxr> well hit: "s enter"
10:08 < rxr> and see what it does
10:08 < rxr> you do not need keynote most probably
10:08 < rxr> (it is VPN stuff)
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10:28 < nick01> now it can't find kiss
10:28 < nick01> rxr: ?
10:31 < sepp> you can switch console, the cd should be mounted under /mnt/source
10:33 < nick01> the list of packages on the cd stops with kde
10:33 < rxr> kiss should be on disc 1 of the ppc build
10:34 < nick01> it's noty
10:34 < nick01> it's not
10:34 < rxr> ah , ok
10:34 < rxr> then insert cd 2 and continue
10:34 * rxr needs to fix this cd number listed as 0 bug
10:34 * rxr dinner
10:34 < rxr> su
10:35 < nick01> your installer sux :(
10:54 < rxr> I feared you say that ,-)
10:54 < rxr> a new problem or just the lack of smooth usability ?
11:04 < nick01> lol
11:05 < nick01> what console font do I need for romanian ?
11:05 < nick01> rxr: ?
11:06 < rxr> I would select none
11:06 < rxr> do you want to have X or work on the console every day ?
11:08 < nick01> I selected romanian locale so without the right fonts it will look like garbage
11:08 < nick01> lat something I guess
11:11 < rxr> hm - no idea
11:11 < rxr> sadly it is a language I do not know
11:11 < rxr> maybe leave it english and only use romaina in X where this is less of a problem ?
11:11 < nick01> :(
11:12 < rxr> nick01: you are free to become the romainan exper in #t2 ,-)
11:12 < rxr> btw. wasn't there someone out of romaina already here?
11:12 < nick01> yeah
11:12 < nick01> karasz:
11:13 < karasz> moin moin
11:13 < rxr> moin karasz
11:13 < nick01> hey !
11:13 < karasz> hello rxr
11:13 < rxr> karasz: any tips for the romanian locale and font stuff ?
11:13 < karasz> yo nick01
11:13 < nick01> deci care-i fontu ?
11:13 < nick01> yo
11:13 < karasz> nope, never used them
11:14 < nick01> :(
11:14 < karasz> me english type :D
11:14 < rxr> nick01: have you select something already?
11:14 < rxr> I really would vote to complete the install in the default locale
11:14 < karasz> i allways went with none.
11:14 < rxr> get the system running
11:14 < rxr> and then tinker with it
11:14 < rxr> or, what I usually do, leave the console stuff alone and just do my utf-8 in X ...
11:15 < nick01> what about latarcyrheb ? that sounds promising ...
11:17 < karasz> nick01: go with defaults, then once installed you tincker with the system
11:18 < karasz> i remember that once i tinckered with console fonts and got a system which had no fonts at all o-O
11:18 < karasz> luckyly i was able to ssh in and corect the problem...
11:30 < nick01> I went to look at the pci config and pci modules to be loaded cause I don't have pci and now I'm stuck looking at a config file
11:30 < nick01> what is that ?
11:30 < nick01> vim ?
11:31 < rxr> where did you go to?
11:31 < rxr> you do not need to edit module lists
11:31 < rxr> t2 comes with a quite advanced hardware detection
11:31 < rxr> there is nearly nothing to be done manually ...
11:31 < rxr> when the installer got thru the only thing you need to to is setup your bootloader yaboot
11:31 < karasz> yes, it is vim
11:32 < karasz> semicollon +q
11:32 < nick01> yeah have I mentioned your installer sux ? u could have put that in an advanced section or mention how to exit that screen u know :P
11:33 < karasz> it is vim, ussually it gets recognized ;)
11:33 < rxr> t2 has not a long history in desktop distribution - t2 is more about advanced, specialized systems
11:33 < rxr> and yes our installer was worser, got better and needs even more work - we know that
11:34 < rxr> code patches welcome ,-))
11:34 < nick01> hehe
11:35 < nick01> now
11:35 < nick01> yaboot
11:35 < nick01> how do I configure that ?
11:36 < rxr> there is a yaboot entry in the stone menu
11:36 < rxr> _Ragnar_: would you mind if I patch mad-wifi to use ethX not athX which I find quite annoying ?
11:37 < nick01> yes how do I configure it ?
11:37 < nick01> I'm there
11:38 < nick01> bootstrap device /dev/hda
11:38 < nick01> yaboot partition path /usr
11:38 < nick01> bot device /dev/hda3
11:38 < nick01> root device /dev/hda3
11:38 < nick01> macosx partition blank
11:38 < rxr> that you have no osx is correct I assume ?
11:38 < nick01> rxr: well ?
11:39 < nick01> correct
11:39 < rxr> ok
11:39 < rxr> the bootstap device is not correct
11:39 < rxr> I feared that because I recently noticed old installs of other distributiosn leave the boostrap name blank
11:39 < rxr> go to another console
11:40 < rxr> parted /dev/hda
11:40 < nick01> and ?
11:40 < rxr> print
11:40 < rxr> you see one small HFS partition with 1MB or so ?
11:40 < rxr> maybe partition 2
11:40 < nick01> 2 yes
11:40 < rxr> change it's name to bootstrap
11:40 < rxr> name
11:40 < rxr> 2
11:40 < rxr> bootstrap
11:40 < nick01> how ?
11:40 < rxr> quit
11:40 < rxr> I wrote it
11:41 < rxr> first enter "name" enter
11:41 < nick01> u wrote parted ?
11:41 < rxr> then "2" enter
11:41 < rxr> yes
11:41 < rxr> parted /dev/hda
11:41 < rxr> then:
11:41 < rxr> name
11:41 < rxr> 2
11:41 < rxr> bootstrap
11:41 < rxr> end then quit
11:41 < nick01> weait
11:41 < rxr> that should do it
11:41 < nick01> name -command not found
11:43 < rxr> name inside parted of course
11:43 < rxr> parted /dev/hda
11:43 < rxr> and then you parted asks what todo
11:44 < nick01> k
11:44 < nick01> done now what
11:44 < nick01> ?
11:44 < rxr> exit the yaboot module
11:44 < rxr> and return to it
11:44 < rxr> (so it reread the disc)
11:45 < nick01> I selected to recreate yaboot.conf
11:45 < nick01> and it detected correctly botstrap this time
11:46 < rxr> can you retype what it lists now
11:46 < rxr> I think there was a second thing wrong :-(
11:46 < nick01> bootstrap hda2
11:46 < nick01> path /usr
11:47 < nick01> root hda3
11:47 < nick01> boot hda3
11:47 < nick01> ?
11:48 < rxr> I think the yaboot path is not good
11:48 < rxr> let me check
11:48 < nick01> k
11:48 < rxr> "yaboot partition path" really only shows /usr ?
11:49 < nick01> yaboot partition: path . 3:/usr
11:49 < rxr> ah ok
11:49 < nick01> that's it
11:49 < rxr> that should be fine ,-)
11:49 < rxr> the missing partnumber: alert me
11:50 < rxr> so that should be fine
11:50 < rxr> hit install yaboot then
11:50 < nick01> what's dbus for ?
11:51 < rxr> it is what all new projects use for interprocess communication
11:51 < rxr> gnome, kde, ...
11:51 < rxr> mostly for device discovery and realted information interchange
11:51 < rxr> but kde 4 will use it for everything
11:52 < nick01> do I need cron ?
11:52 < rxr> hm
11:52 < rxr> depends
11:52 < rxr> why do you want to skip it? save 1MB harddisc space ?
11:52 < nick01> no skip 1 mb of ram and cpu
11:53 < rxr> cron does not waste much
11:53 < rxr> but yes, for a desktop system you might want to disable it
11:53 < rxr> did you reboot the system now ?
11:53 < nick01> no
11:53 < rxr> ok - well even now stone allows you to enable/disable the runlevel services
11:54 < nick01> macintosh mouse button emulation ?
11:54 < nick01> what's that for ?
11:54 < nick01> emulates right click ?
11:56 < rxr> yes
11:56 < rxr> by default on f11 and f12 IIRC
11:57 < rxr> it does not cost your cpu time or memory
11:57 < nick01> serial pnp at bootup ?
11:57 < nick01> what's thjat ?
11:57 < rxr> it is part of your kernel anyway
11:57 < nick01> k
11:57 < rxr> discover serial plug and play devices
11:57 < rxr> that service is for serial mices only
11:57 < nick01> serial ? I don't have a serial port
11:57 < rxr> and t2 is the only distribution which has that ,-)
11:57 < rxr> you are safe to disable it ,-)
11:57 < rxr> or leave it
11:58 < rxr> it only costs your ms system startup time ,-)
11:58 < nick01> why doesn't anybody else have that ?
11:59 < nick01> pmud- shouldn't that be enabled >? do I have it ?
12:01 < nick01> and alsa ?
12:01 < nick01> alsa is not enabled either
12:03 < nick01> rxr: ?
12:06 < nick01> rxr: looks like yaboot didn't instal
12:06 < nick01> rxr: I still get the fc4 yaboot
12:07 < nick01> HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12:10 < nick01> HELP !!!
12:12 < rxr> re
12:12 < nick01> ?
12:12 < rxr> pmud is old
12:12 < rxr> pbbuttonsd is what is used today
12:12 < rxr> it is on by default
12:12 < nick01> k
12:12 < nick01> k
12:13 < nick01> it won't boot !!!
12:13 < rxr> have you hit the "install yaboot" entry in the yaboot menu ?
12:13 < rxr> you can savely rerun the install
12:13 < nick01> where was that ?
12:13 < rxr> in stone
12:13 < rxr> the setup thing
12:13 < rxr> you can savely rerun the install
12:13 < rxr> it will not install anything but bring you into stone again
12:13 < nick01> I have to reinstall alll the packaghes ?!!!
12:13 < nick01> k
12:13 < rxr> nope you have not
12:13 < rxr> insert the cd
12:13 < rxr> on the prompt run stone
12:13 < rxr> remount your discs
12:14 < rxr> hit install
12:14 < rxr> choose the minimal setup (or so)
12:14 < rxr> and it will only install what is missing, that is nothing when you select minimal (if you had all the minimal packages)
12:14 < rxr> and let you e.g. tweak your yaboot install
12:16 < rxr> I see why the install does not list disc numbers anymore
12:16 < rxr> it has todo with our migration away from .gem to .tar.*, it contains a .gem hardcoding while matching against the cd index file
12:16 < rxr> *sigh*
12:16 * rxr patching
12:18 < nick01> what package manager should I start ?
12:19 < rxr> the recommended one, gasgui it is name
12:19 < rxr> d
12:21 < nick01> looks like I have to burn another cd it can't read this one
12:22 < nick01> what write speed do u think I should use ?
12:22 < nick01> rxr: ?>
12:25 < nick01> forget it I'll use the cd-rw
12:25 < rxr> ,-)
12:26 < nick01> I noticed that cds written at 4x don't even get read while those at 8x have more chances
12:27 < rxr> I have simillar esoteric storries for older Ultra SPARC boxes ...
12:27 < rxr> :-)
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12:37 < rxr> http://www.symlink.ch/articles/06/06/05/0921218.shtml
12:38 < nick01> and the translation ? :P
12:39 < rxr> http://www.linux.org.ru/view-message.jsp?msgid=1433450
12:40 < nick01> hahaha
12:40 < rxr> nick01: mostly: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=14801
12:40 < nick01> how am I supposed to read that ?
12:40 < nick01> russian /
12:40 < nick01> ?
12:41 * rxr neither
12:41 < rxr> just from the webserver log ...
12:42 < nick01> how do I make a minimal install ?
12:43 < nick01> or I just deselect everything
12:43 < nick01> too much work
12:43 < nick01> how do I do it ?
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12:44 < nick01> this will take all day :(
12:44 < nick01> rxr: u there ??
12:45 < karasz> anyone knows why the only download source is gsmp?
12:46 < karasz> all the others give error... o-O
12:46 < nick01> karasz: please telll me how to make a minimal install
12:46 < karasz> what do you mean by minimal?
12:46 < nick01> meaning nothing I installed everything already
12:47 < nick01> I just have to install yaboot
12:47 < karasz> what options do you have in the installer?
12:47 < karasz> when you choose gasgui..?
12:47 < nick01> u mean the other one ?
12:47 < nick01> k
12:47 < nick01> no thats it
12:47 < nick01> gas
12:48 < karasz> the one that is marked `recomended`
12:48 < nick01> yeah
12:48 < nick01> that one I'm in
12:48 < karasz> good, choose it and you will have some options
12:48 < karasz> one is to make a full install
12:48 < karasz> the others are?
12:48 < nick01> no options here
12:49 < nick01> only packges to choose
12:49 < karasz> :(
12:50 < karasz> i clearly remember that it was a 'Install all packages' option
12:50 < nick01> this installer sux
12:50 < nick01> hey
12:50 < karasz> but there were others too iirc somt like Choose what to instal or something...
12:50 < nick01> I used ctrl+c and skipped it
12:51 < nick01> :D
12:54 < nick01> why didn't rxr think of that ?!
12:56 < rxr> karasz: no idea
12:56 < rxr> karasz: the only other box I control is nexus.tfh-berlin.de and I only have a user account there and those freebsd admins continously screw the box up
12:56 < rxr> karasz: for the others mnemoc is to be asked
12:57 < rxr> mnemoc: any idea what is up with those other mirrors ?
12:57 < karasz> ok, i just asked because i thought it is of interest.
12:57 < karasz> i can live with gsmp too.
12:59 < rxr> karasz: yes of course it is
12:59 < rxr> I posted the error stats some days ago already and did not got any details
13:00 < rxr> I have a high bandwidth server in peto in germany that is fully synced
13:00 < rxr> we are enabling it right now
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13:20 < mnemoc> rxr: i haven't had time to re-set up those two yet. only the one have at .de. http://dl.geeks.cl/t2/mirror/$sdever
13:21 < mnemoc> but it probably has a worse performance than gsmp
13:22 < mnemoc> the mirror at usa seems to be gone for ever
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13:30 < seeker> hi there... i'm trying to build t2 for use on very old hardware. unfortunately the build fails with an error of 'autoconf not useable'. i'm building on a debian system using autoconf 2.59.cvs2006.05.13 (not crosscompiling). can someone help me?
13:41 * seeker is wondering if he asked the wrong way
13:43 < misl> seeker: please be patient. Unfortunately I cannot help you on this. But those who can eventually will :-)
13:46 < seeker> misl: :-) ok... i'll be waiting
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14:46 < CIA-3> aldas * r17804 /trunk/package/graphic/lcms/lcms.desc: * updated lcms (1.14 -> 1.15)
14:46 < CIA-3> aldas * r17805 /trunk/package/network/libidn/libidn.desc: * updated libidn (0.6.2 -> 0.6.3)
14:46 < CIA-3> aldas * r17806 /trunk/package/network/nagios/nagios.desc: * updated nagios (2.3.1 -> 2.4)
14:47 < CIA-3> aldas * r17807 /trunk/package/network/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.desc: * updated ndiswrapper (1.16 -> 1.17)
14:47 < CIA-3> aldas * r17808 /trunk/package/develop/subversion/subversion.desc: * updated subversion (1.3.1 -> 1.3.2)
14:48 * Lucifer_arma is away: school
14:54 < CIA-3> msluis * r17809 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-142/java-sun-conf.in:
14:54 < CIA-3> * Extract diff for installing sun jre's and jdk's no longer required.
14:54 < CIA-3> * Extract modifications are done on the fly in java-sun-conf.in
14:59 < CIA-3> msluis * r17810 /trunk/package/java/ (11 files in 6 dirs): * Removed extract diff's (no longer required due to r17809)
15:00 < CIA-3> msluis * r17811 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-142/sun-jre-142.desc: * updated sun-jre-142 (1.4.2_10 -> 1.4.2_12)
15:00 < CIA-3> msluis * r17812 /trunk/package/java/sun-jdk-142/sun-jdk-142.desc: * updated sun-jdk-142 (1.4.2_10 -> 1.4.2_12)
15:00 < CIA-3> msluis * r17813 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-150/sun-jre-150.desc: * updated sun-jre-150 (1.5.0_06 -> 1.5.0_07)
15:01 < CIA-3> msluis * r17814 /trunk/package/java/sun-jdk-150/sun-jdk-150.desc: * updated sun-jdk-150 (1.5.0_06 -> 1.5.0_07)
15:04 < CIA-3> rene * r17815 /trunk/package/archiver/mine/any-archiver.patch:
15:04 < CIA-3> * improved the mine/any-archiver.patch to correctly show the disk
15:04 < CIA-3> numbers for non .gem archives (tested with .tar.bz2)
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15:12 < CIA-3> aldas * r17816 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtklp/gtklp.desc: * updated gtklp (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2)
15:12 < CIA-3> aldas * r17817 /trunk/package/graphic/libpano/libpano.desc: * updated libpano (2.8.1 -> 2.8.3)
15:12 < CIA-3> aldas * r17818 /trunk/package/multimedia/libtheora/libtheora.desc: * updated libtheora (1.0alpha5 -> 1.0alpha6)
15:15 < CIA-3> aldas * r17819 /trunk/package/develop/lua/lua.desc: * moved lua ( 194.800 -> 149.800 ) before lighttpd
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15:20 < nick01> connection problem
15:20 < nick01> u still around ?
15:20 < nick01> rxr: ? karasz |?
15:21 < CIA-3> aldas * r17820 /trunk/package/security/cyrus-sasl2/ (cyrus-sasl2.desc gcc-4.0.patch):
15:21 < CIA-3> * updated cyrus-sasl2 (2.1.21 -> 2.1.22)
15:21 < CIA-3> * removed gcc-4.0.patch - obsolete
15:22 < nick01> rxr: are u there ? I can't start X
15:22 < nick01> rxr: HELP !!!
15:22 < rxr> hi
15:22 < rxr> yeah, hat tea and baby time here ...
15:22 < rxr> have you configured X in some way?
15:22 < nick01> yes
15:22 < nick01> it wants to start kde I have not installed kde
15:22 < rxr> ah
15:23 < rxr> you can either setup this globally in stone
15:23 < rxr> (what to start=
15:23 < rxr> )
15:23 < nick01> where ?
15:23 < rxr> or in your users home .xinitrc
15:23 < rxr> in the x module
15:23 < rxr> there is a default window manager
15:24 < nick01> there is only an option to make something the default wm
15:24 < nick01> but there is only one wm
15:25 < nick01> rxr: ?
15:28 < nick01> rxr: maybe u should port xwmconfig from slackware
15:29 < nick01> rxr: HELP !!!
15:29 < sepp> export WINDOWMANAGER=$yourwm
15:29 < sepp> startx
15:30 < nick01> but that will only work for the current session right ?
15:30 < sepp> yes
15:30 < nick01> :(
15:30 < sepp> there is no entry in stone?
15:31 < sepp> you could add it to ~/.profile
15:31 < nick01> it still wants to start kde :(
15:31 < mnemoc> startkde
15:31 < nick01> I don't have kde
15:31 < mnemoc> what do you want to start?
15:32 < nick01> gnome
15:32 < mnemoc> .initrc ?
15:32 < nick01> why not fix the global xinitrc first ?
15:32 < nick01> it is broken
15:32 < mnemoc> yes, that's an option
15:33 < mnemoc> but at least i don't have time currently, if you can send a patch it would be great
15:34 < nick01> what happened with rxr ?
15:34 < mnemoc> probably busy
15:34 < nick01> anyway for the easy fix what do I put for it to exec to start gnome ?
15:36 < sepp> gnome-session ?
15:37 < nick01> no such executable on my system
15:37 < nick01> only some dirs and pngs
15:37 < sepp> hmm, maybe i am wrong - no gnomes in my computer
15:38 < _Ragnar_> no it is gnome-session
15:38 < mnemoc> wrong PATH ?
15:39 < nick01> what's the path ?
15:39 < nick01> maybe they changed it in 2.14 ?
15:39 < mnemoc> find /opt/gnome*/bin ?
15:39 < nick01> yeah opt/gnome2/bin
15:40 < nick01> so ?
15:41 < sepp> no gnome-session in /opt/gnome2/bin ?
15:41 < nick01> no
15:41 < nick01> just gnome-open and a few others
15:41 < nick01> gnome-about
15:41 < nick01> etc
15:42 < _Ragnar_> and you have installed the package gnome-session?
15:43 < nick01> dunno - I left gnome selected in desktop
15:43 < mnemoc> what do you mean 'left gnome selected' ?
15:44 < mnemoc> i don'T remember any 'option' to enable/disable gnome
15:44 < nick01> there is I left all the gnome packages selected
15:45 < nick01> to be installed
15:45 < nick01> btw there is no gnome-session package on the first cd at least
15:45 < mnemoc> grep 'X.*gnome' /etc/SDE-CONFIG/packages | wc -l
15:46 < nick01> 'X ?
15:46 < _Ragnar_> selected
15:47 < nick01> it returned 44
15:48 < sepp> inludeing gnome-session ?
15:48 < nick01> how shoulD I know
15:48 < nick01> it doesn't say
15:48 < mnemoc> remove the | wc -l
15:49 < nick01> what was that command to make it show one page at the time ?
15:50 < mnemoc> | less
15:50 < nick01> it's not on the4 list
15:51 < nick01> nor is the package on the cd
15:51 < sepp> :(
15:52 < mnemoc> if it's not X on the list, it wasn'T built, and not packaged, and not installed
15:53 < sepp> you can emerge it, but that might be no fun on a slow g3 in case there is even more gnome stuff missing
15:54 < nick01> k then I have to change pcs
15:54 < nick01> brb
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15:55 < nick01> so u people ship incomplete releases ? :(
15:55 < mnemoc> ?
15:55 < nick01> with critical packages missing ?
15:56 < mnemoc> ?
15:56 < sepp> maybe no one wanted to start gnome with the desktop target so far :/
15:57 < mnemoc> the gnome-session package is there, if it's part or not of a config is responsability of the person who did the config
15:58 < nick01> it's not on the damn cd
15:59 < mnemoc> where did you get the cd from?
15:59 < nick01> how do I configure the network so I can emerge it ? looks like gdm is not installed either btw
15:59 < nick01> your webpage one of the german http servers
15:59 < mnemoc> T2 is _not_ a CD, t2 is a framework and set of tools to make distributions
15:59 < nick01> yeah yeah
16:00 < nick01> I just want gnome to work
16:00 < nick01> and X too
16:00 < nick01> and the network
16:00 < sepp> you can setup the network with stone ;)
16:00 < nick01> interface name and profile ?
16:00 < nick01> what do I put there ?
16:01 < nick01> in stone
16:01 < mnemoc> interfce eth0 is enough usualy
16:02 < nick01> set new value for tag dhcp ?
16:02 < mnemoc> dhcp or fixed ip?
16:02 < nick01> dhcp
16:02 < mnemoc> so, type dhcp
16:02 < nick01> k
16:03 < nick01> unknown statement in config file: dhcp
16:03 < nick01> when I try to start it
16:05 < mnemoc> cat /etc/conf/network please
16:05 < nick01> interface interface eth0
16:05 < nick01> dhcp
16:05 < nick01> that's it
16:05 < mnemoc> remove one 'interface'
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16:07 < nick01> same error
16:08 < mnemoc> grep dhcp /etc/SDE-CONFIG/packages
16:09 < nick01> dhcp 3.0.4 ?
16:09 < mnemoc> does it start by X or O ?
16:10 < mnemoc> the first char
16:10 < nick01> X
16:10 < mnemoc> mine -p dhcp ?
16:10 < nick01> NO SUCH FILE OR DIR
16:11 < mnemoc> uhm
16:12 < nick01> what's the name of the pkg ?
16:12 < nick01> I'll install it by hand
16:12 < mnemoc> dhcp
16:13 < nick01> what's the command ?
16:14 < nick01> to install it ?
16:14 < nick01> mnemoc, ?
16:14 < mnemoc> mine -i
16:16 < nick01> k network works now
16:16 < nick01> now how do I install gnome-session and search for missing dependencies ?
16:16 < nick01> mnemoc, ?
16:17 < nick01> sepp, ?
16:17 < nick01> karasz, ?
16:17 < nick01> rxr, ?
16:17 < mnemoc> look at the .cache file
16:18 < nick01> what file ?
16:18 < nick01> where
16:18 < nick01> ?
16:19 < mnemoc> if you have t2-src there, go to /usr/src/t2-src/package/*/gnome-session
16:19 < mnemoc> and look at the .cache file
16:20 < CIA-3> rene * r17821 /trunk/package/graphic/dcraw/dcraw.desc: * updated dcraw (8.18 -> 8.20)
16:22 < nick01> yeah I'm looking at it so what ?
16:22 < nick01> mnemoc, ?
16:23 < nick01> mnemoc, I want it to resolve the dependencies by itself not expect me to go through each one
16:24 < nick01> and how do I install gnome-session ?
16:24 < nick01> mnemoc, ?
16:25 < nick01> HELP !!!
16:28 < mnemoc> it wont 'resolve the dependencies by itself'
16:29 < nick01> some package management system
16:30 < mnemoc> if gnome-session is not on the disc, you will have to build it
16:30 < nick01> how do I install gnome-session ?
16:30 < nick01> HOW ?!
16:31 < sepp> cd /usr/src/t2-src
16:31 < sepp> copy /etc/SDE-CONFIG/ to config/desktop
16:31 < sepp> ./scripts/Config -cfg desktop
16:33 < nick01> config/desktop ? where is that supposed to be ? created / ?
16:33 < sepp> in /usr/src/t2-src
16:34 < nick01> there is no config dir in there
16:34 < sepp> make one :)
16:34 < mnemoc> if you "copy /etc/SDE-CONFIG/ to config/desktop" you will get one
16:36 < CIA-3> aldas * r17822 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed-claws/sylpheed-claws.desc: * updated sylpheed-claws (2.2.0 -> 2.2.1)
16:37 < CIA-3> aldas * r17823 /trunk/package/graphic/xaralx/xaralx.desc: * updated xaralx (0.4r779 -> 0.5r1243)
16:37 < nick01> what is it doing now ?
16:37 < nick01> mnemoc, ?
16:38 < sepp> Config ?
16:39 < nick01> I get it
16:43 < nick01> mnemoc, utilize the powerpc isa ?
16:43 < nick01> or change it to what ?
16:45 < sepp> since it is a powerpc that is ok
16:46 < nick01> install - install cd /disks- does that mean it's only gonna install from cd or disk ? can't it install from ftp ?
16:47 < sepp> are you running it on your apple thingy?
16:49 < nick01> yup
16:49 < sepp> if Config looks ok exit and run
16:49 < sepp> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg desktop -deps=none gnome-session
16:50 < sepp> that will download gnome-session and build it
16:50 < nick01> couldn't u ave made a link to that thing and simplify the process ?
16:50 < nick01> have
16:51 < karasz> cu later guys
16:51 < CIA-3> aldas * r17824 /trunk/package/mail/courier-imap/ (courier-imap.conf courier-imap.desc):
16:51 < CIA-3> * updated courier-imap (4.0.6 -> 4.1.1)
16:51 < CIA-3> * copyright update
16:51 < sepp> cu karasz
16:52 < nick01> bye
16:52 < sepp> what link?
16:53 < nick01> to scripts/emerge-pkg
16:53 < CIA-3> aldas * r17825 /trunk/package/games/clanlib06/directfb-api-change.patch: * added clanlib06/directfb-api-change.patch
16:54 < nick01> why deps=none ?
16:54 < nick01> sepp, ?
16:55 < rxr> well - the default desktop build of t2 misses most gnome packages
16:55 < nick01> :(
16:55 < rxr> maybe beter not add this deps=none in order to get a fullly functional gnome
16:55 < rxr> nick01: not :-(
16:56 < rxr> just: Emerge-Pkg gnome-desktop gnome-session nautilus
16:56 < rxr> or so
16:56 < rxr> gnome-terminal maybe
16:56 < rxr> to get all of gnome:
16:56 < rxr> Emerge-Pkg -repository gnome2
16:56 < sepp> that will take forever on a g3 300 i bet
16:57 < nick01> it sais it can't find default
16:57 < nick01> use Config to create it
16:57 < nick01> but I did that
16:58 < nick01> I think
16:58 < nick01> what do I do ?
16:58 < sepp> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg desktop
16:58 < sepp> if that is the name it has
16:59 < nick01> same error
16:59 < mnemoc> ls config
17:00 < nick01> desktop
17:02 < nick01> maybe I should just give up until u decide to include gnome
17:03 < sepp> that should work
17:03 < mnemoc> the desktop target is not thought to have gnome
17:03 < nick01> gnome was on the list
17:03 < mnemoc> ask rxr, it's his target
17:04 < nick01> right now why isnt Emerge-Pkg working ?
17:05 < mnemoc> please paste the exact text you are typing and the exact output
17:05 < mnemoc> at http://www.rafb.net/paste/
17:05 < nick01> I can't
17:05 < nick01> no X and no browser
17:05 < mnemoc> links?
17:05 < mnemoc> lynx?
17:05 < mnemoc> elinks?
17:06 < nick01> give me a break I don't use that
17:06 < nick01> what about e17 that should be installed ok
17:06 < nick01> how do I get e17 to start ?
17:06 < mnemoc> the desktop target is kde-centric
17:07 < mnemoc> building your own, you get an iso with what you want
17:07 < nick01> any idea how to get X to start with e17 ?
17:08 < sepp> if you install e17 there is a option for entrance in stone
17:08 < rxr> cu
17:08 < sepp> cu rxr
17:09 < nick01> bye
17:09 < nick01> I selected that in stone but it still tried to start kde
17:09 < nick01> :(
17:09 < sepp> or you 'export WINDOWMANAGER=enlightenment'
17:10 < nick01> without $ ?
17:10 < mnemoc> lon perl or php you define the varaibles with $, not in sh
17:10 < sepp> no $
17:10 < nick01> until now u told me to use $ :(
17:11 < mnemoc> $ is used to _read_ variables on sh
17:11 < sepp> sorry
17:12 < mnemoc> sepp: ?
17:12 < sepp> i wanted to say export WINDOWMANAGER='insert the wm of your choice here'
17:12 < sepp> and because i am lazy i wrote a $yourwm there ...
17:12 < nick01> anyway now e17 starts but I get garbage on the screen
17:13 < nick01> I start a menu it looks fine I start another and another but the old ones remain on the screen
17:13 < nick01> looking like crap
17:13 < sepp> o_O
17:14 < nick01> overlapping eachother
17:15 * Lucifer_arma is back.
17:15 < sepp> wb Lucifer_arma
17:15 < Lucifer_arma> ty
17:16 < nick01> so how do I get to work right ?
17:16 < nick01> X
17:16 < nick01> get X to work right
17:18 < sepp> is X misconfigured or e17 not working ?
17:18 < nick01> e17 is working fine
17:18 < nick01> I just can't do much like that
17:19 < mnemoc> run xcfgt2
17:19 < nick01> I tried both xorgconfig and X -configure
17:19 < nick01> same result
17:19 < nick01> what will that do ?
17:19 < sepp> write a xorg.conf for you
17:21 < nick01> same results
17:22 < sepp> hmmm
17:24 < nick01> well ? how do I fix it ?
17:26 < mnemoc> lwhat is the error?
17:26 < sepp> look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
17:28 < nick01> maybe look at the log
17:29 < nick01> where's the xorg log ?
17:29 < mnemoc> var/log/X....
17:30 < nick01> yeah X not x
17:30 < mnemoc> who said x?
17:33 < nick01> me
17:33 < nick01> :)
17:34 < mnemoc> :)
17:34 < nick01> only one error and that one fixed - invalid io allocation itgoit past it
17:35 < nick01> for the framebuffer driver do I put fb ?
17:35 < nick01> mnemoc, ?
17:36 < nick01> it's not fb
17:37 < nick01> what is it ?
17:37 < nick01> fb0 ?
17:37 < mnemoc> fb use a different server
17:37 < nick01> mnemoc, ? sepp ?
17:37 < nick01> soi
17:37 < nick01> so ?
17:37 < sepp> has it no ati ?
17:37 < nick01> it has it but it looks like crap
17:38 < sepp> try vesa
17:38 < nick01> k
17:38 < nick01> module does not exist
17:38 < nick01> vesa
17:39 < nick01> lol
17:39 < sepp> :(
17:40 < sepp> it is package xf86-video-vesa
17:40 < nick01> lol
17:40 < nick01> I bet it's not on the cd
17:40 < nick01> like gnome
17:40 < nick01> haha
17:41 < sepp> sorry, i do not know the desktop target
17:42 < sepp> i thought there is a minimal gnome there
17:42 < nick01> there isn't even gnome-session to start it !
17:43 < sepp> now i know it ;)
17:43 < nick01> yup I was right !!!
17:43 < nick01> vesa is not on the cd !
17:43 < nick01> hahaha
17:43 < Lucifer_arma> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg vesa
17:45 < nick01> error- no configuration "default" found
17:46 < sepp> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg desktop xf86-video-vesa
17:46 < sepp> that should work!
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17:48 < nick01> it sais package not installed- added and then "packages scheduled to build: none"
17:48 < nick01> :(
17:48 < misl> hi folks
17:48 < misl> rxr: baby time?????
17:49 < nick01> your package management system sux
17:50 < sepp> hi misl
17:50 < misl> hi sepp
17:50 < nick01> so any tips how to get X to work ?
17:50 < mnemoc> nick01: if Emerge-Pkg download work, use Download and Build-Pkg
17:51 < mnemoc> doesn'T work i mean
17:51 < nick01> it should work and I'm not gonna use a system without a package management system
17:52 < mnemoc> ok
17:53 < nick01> so u don't know how to fix it ?
17:54 < mnemoc> i don'T know what is failing
17:54 < nick01> it saide what was failing
17:54 < nick01> Config fasiled to make default
17:54 < nick01> error
17:54 < nick01> failed
17:56 < mnemoc> please paste the eorror, because i don't understand what you just said
17:57 < nick01> ERROR: no configuration 'default' found
17:57 < nick01> please create a configuration using /scripts/Config
17:57 < mnemoc> ls config/ ?
17:57 < sepp> because your named it "desktop"
17:58 < sepp> so you have to use "-cfg desktop"
17:58 < nick01> there's a dir named desktop there
17:58 < nick01> I used that
17:59 < nick01> I get that error
17:59 < mnemoc> paste what you wrote
17:59 < nick01> paste what
17:59 < mnemoc> what you wrote
17:59 < nick01> I can't paste
17:59 < nick01> what I wrote where when ?
17:59 < mnemoc> so write literaly
17:59 < nick01> to get the error ?
17:59 < mnemoc> yes
18:01 < nick01> what was that command to emerge all of gnome ?
18:01 < nick01> rxr told me
18:01 < sepp> Emerge -repository gonme
18:01 < nick01> that didn't use desktop
18:01 < nick01> yeah
18:02 < mnemoc> if your config is named desktop you have to use -cfg desktop
18:02 < nick01> ye4ah
18:02 < nick01> with it I get that default not found
18:03 < nick01> Emerge-Pkg -cfg desktop -repository gnome2 ?
18:03 < mnemoc> that's becasue you wrote it wrong
18:03 < sepp> yup
18:03 < sepp> but it will take _long_
18:04 < nick01> it sais packages scheduled to build: none
18:06 < nick01> why ?
18:07 < mnemoc> vi config/desktop/config
18:07 < mnemoc> look for EXPERT and make it 1
18:07 < mnemoc> look for PKGSEL and make it 1
18:07 < mnemoc> then make a file config/desktop/pkgsel
18:08 < mnemoc> pff
18:08 < mnemoc> err
18:08 < mnemoc> ok
18:08 < mnemoc> and inside config/desktop/pkgsel add one line: "X gnome2/*"
18:08 < mnemoc> then execute ./scripts/Config -cfg desktop -oldconfig
18:09 < mnemoc> and finaly try ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg desktop -force -repository gnome2
18:10 < mnemoc> :w
18:10 < mnemoc> err
18:10 < sepp> :q
18:10 < nick01> with "" ?
18:10 < mnemoc> without
18:10 < nick01> k
18:12 < sepp> since when can't you emerge packages not in pkgsel?
18:12 < mnemoc> no idea
18:13 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg is too smart for me
18:20 < nick01> mnemoc, looks like it started to download- any way to make it install vesa too ? cause there really is no point to install gnome if I can't get X to work right
18:20 < mnemoc> and what is error on X?
18:21 < nick01> some IO error that gets corrected and X starts
18:21 < nick01> but it looks like crap
18:21 < mnemoc> define crap
18:21 < mnemoc> an screenshot would be useful
18:22 < nick01> I open a window it opens then I open another but the former remains on the screen so on
18:22 < nick01> I end up with lots of ghosts
18:22 < nick01> and I can't see any of the e17 menus and anything
18:22 < nick01> I only see when I click on the desktop
18:23 < sepp> because they slide around and there is a "ghost menu" ?
18:23 < nick01> no old opened menus remain on screen
18:25 < nick01> with fbvdev it starts but it looks much worse
18:26 < nick01> I think the ati driver in xorg 7 is broken
18:36 < karasz> re
18:44 * Lucifer_arma is away: Gone away for now.
18:45 * Lucifer_arma is back.
18:45 < nick01> hi
18:46 < Lucifer_arma> Hi there
18:46 < nick01> karasz, please fix my X :P
18:47 < karasz> use radeonfb
18:47 < karasz> for me it works.
18:47 < nick01> I don't have a radeon
18:47 < karasz> what ati do you have?
18:47 < nick01> rage mobility I think
18:47 < karasz> ibook?
18:48 < nick01> yeah
18:48 < karasz> framebuffer.
18:48 < nick01> fbdev ?
18:48 < karasz> yup
18:48 < nick01> already tried that
18:48 < nick01> horrible
18:48 < karasz> and?
18:48 < karasz> aaa.
18:48 < nick01> much worse than ati
18:48 < karasz> define horrible.
18:49 < nick01> looked like a 16 colour resolution make that 5 colour or something stretched all over the screen lol
18:50 < karasz> and you tickered with xorg.conf?
18:51 < nick01> doin xorgconfig gain for fbdev- what u think 16 or 24 bit ?
18:51 < karasz> go for 24
18:51 < nick01> k
18:52 < karasz> but i usually edit the conf file.
18:52 < karasz> i never had much luck with the config programs
18:52 < karasz> there is an xorg.conf.template
18:53 < karasz> from that you can start to tickle ;)
18:54 < nick01> I tried 24 bit too on both fbdev and ati no luck
18:54 < nick01> andif u can belive it vesa is not installed :P
18:55 < nick01> it's not on the cd
18:56 < CIA-3> aldas * r17826 /trunk/package/games/bsd-games/ (8 files):
18:56 < CIA-3> * security update: added bsd-games/CVE-2006-1539.patch
18:56 < CIA-3> * copyright update
18:57 < nick01> karasz, I think xorg 7 is broken
18:59 < CIA-3> aldas * r17827 /trunk/package/graphic/libtiff/CVE-2006-2656.patch: * security update: added libtiff/CVE-2006-2656.patch
18:59 < nick01> karasz, please fix my X :P
19:01 < nick01> I may have to resort to debian :|
19:02 < CIA-3> aldas * r17828 /trunk/package/x11/freetype/ (4 files):
19:02 < CIA-3> * security update: added freetype/CVE-2006-1861.patch
19:02 < CIA-3> * copyright update
19:03 < karasz> nick01: nobody can fix your X except you.
19:04 < nick01> how ?
19:05 < CIA-3> aldas * r17829 /trunk/package/security/snort/ (CVE-2006-2769.patch snort.conf snort.desc snort.init):
19:05 < CIA-3> * security update: added snort/CVE-2006-2769.patch
19:05 < CIA-3> * copyright update
19:08 < CIA-3> aldas * r17830 /trunk/package/multimedia/ffmpeg/ (5 files):
19:08 < CIA-3> * security update: added ffmpeg/CVE-2005-4048.patch
19:08 < CIA-3> * copyright update
19:09 < sepp> CVEzius :D
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19:11 < Baldzius> :)
19:11 < CIA-3> aldas * r17831 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/ (12 files):
19:11 < CIA-3> * security update: added mplayer/CVE-2006-0579.patch
19:11 < CIA-3> * copyright update
19:12 < nick01> nobody here can make X work right ? grrr :(
19:12 < _Ragnar_> huh?
19:12 < nick01> ati and fbdev give me trash
19:12 < nick01> garbage I mean
19:13 < nick01> _Ragnar_, will u fix X for me ? :D
19:14 < mnemoc> nick01: nobody can fix your X except you.
19:14 < _Ragnar_> I can only say ati works fine for me
19:14 < nick01> hehe
19:14 < karasz> well yes, all wise karasz ;)
19:14 < nick01> kkk debian it is :(
19:15 < nick01> u don't even have vesa installed
19:15 < mnemoc> i have it, you don't
19:15 < nick01> lol
19:15 < sepp> i have it too
19:15 < nick01> it's not on the cds
19:15 < sepp> :)
19:15 < CIA-3> aldas * r17832 /trunk/package/multimedia/xine-lib/ (4 files):
19:15 < CIA-3> * security update: added CVE-2006-1664.patch &&
19:15 < CIA-3> CVE-2006-2802.patch
19:15 < CIA-3> * copyright update
19:15 < mnemoc> those CDs are samples from one very specific target (distribution)
19:16 < mnemoc> those CDs are not T2
19:16 < nick01> yeah I know T2 exests only in spirit
19:16 < nick01> exists
19:17 < sepp> t2 is a framework to make your own distro and desktop is one example what you can do with it
19:17 < nick01> I dont want a framwork I want a distro
19:17 < _Ragnar_> then you're looking in the wrong place
19:18 < nick01> I want something that I install and boots without problems
19:19 * _Ragnar_ hand nick01 a knoppix cd
19:19 < nick01> lol
19:19 < nick01> knoppix doesn't work on ppc
19:19 < nick01> or I would have used it
19:19 < sepp> make a t2ix :)
19:19 < _Ragnar_> ah good that you mention that you're on ppc .... duuuuh :p
19:20 < mnemoc> nickix
19:20 < Baldzius> :)
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19:22 < nagulator> hello guys
19:22 < nagulator> anyone around?
19:22 < mnemoc> oh! .gr
19:22 < mnemoc> sweet
19:22 < nagulator> hmm so what is the big fuss about that though :P
19:22 < nick01> maybe I should go kill some germans ...
19:23 < mnemoc> yes please
19:23 < nagulator> .gr is not german :)
19:23 < karasz> o-O
19:23 < nick01> lol
19:23 < karasz> guys, guys, guys, keep it friendly...
19:23 < nagulator> so you are the team for t2 I suppose
19:23 < nagulator> I used it back when it was plain olr rocklinux :)
19:23 < nagulator> old*
19:23 < sepp> maybe mnemoc eats ppl and he prefers sweet greeks :P
19:24 < mnemoc> rocklinux still alive ,-)
19:24 < nagulator> lol
19:24 < mnemoc> sepp: :)
19:24 < nagulator> yeah I know
19:24 < nick01> hmm sepp is german- maybe I should start with him
19:24 < nagulator> but I like the t2 incarnation
19:24 < mnemoc> t2 started from RL 2.0
19:24 < mnemoc> :D
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19:25 < nick01> u know in call of duty 2
19:25 < nagulator> i know that
19:25 < nick01> yeah
19:25 < nagulator> so anyone of you of the developer team in here or just users?
19:26 < mnemoc> both
19:26 < karasz> mostly abusers :D
19:26 < nagulator> ok
19:26 < mnemoc> :p
19:26 < nagulator> ha ha
19:26 * karasz hides quick
19:26 < nagulator> I am on fc5 now, but that actually does not mean anything
19:26 < nagulator> I use OSS stuff 99.99%
19:26 < nagulator> would you have any use for a C/C++ programmer?
19:27 < mnemoc> any contributor is welcomed :)
19:27 < mnemoc> even if you program in lisp you are welcomed here :)
19:28 < sepp> but do not thorw with braces
19:28 < mnemoc> *g*
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19:41 < __mnemoc> nagulator: good, rxr_ (our Core Architect) has arrived... you can discuss with him that topic :)
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19:41 < __mnemoc> dah dah
19:41 < nagulator_> where was I please?
19:41 < _Ragnar_> wb
19:41 < nagulator_> thanks
19:41 < __mnemoc> nagulator: good, rxr_ (our Core Architect) has arrived... you can discuss with him that topic :)
19:42 < nagulator_> oh :)
19:42 < nagulator_> anyway as I was saying, i very much enjoy the work being done in pure bash
19:43 < nagulator_> I am working on a C++/bash "build" framework that uses XML for describing packages
19:43 < nagulator_> so you can exchange info between tgz, deb, rpm, without having problems
19:44 < nagulator_> something like a dependency database syncronizer
19:44 < nagulator_> you use XML to store a template ofthe bash commands necessary
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19:45 < nagulator_> those same bash commands templated, can be turned for example into a standalone script, into a spec file or used from dpkg tools :)
19:47 < nagulator_> why not have everything syncronized and use whatever package management or manual installation anytime you wish ;) you would not be locked into a specific set, and you would keep the entire power of the meta - distro (building from source as t2 does)
19:47 < nagulator_> I think it is a interesting challenge
19:47 < nagulator_> not proposing anything of course I am only having a discussion, I like the experiment so far
19:48 < __mnemoc> i like things i can easily read and edit on vi
19:48 < nagulator_> you can easily read and edit xml too
19:48 < misl> nagulator_: Do you know Apache Maven? It's java, but maybe you can pick up some nice ideas there. They have transitive package dependancy.
19:48 < sepp> so you want to build for example t2 packages on debian?
19:48 < sepp> or the other way around
19:49 < nagulator_> well, the idea would be to make a t2 - like add in that would allow t2 to build itself around any package management system :)
19:49 < nagulator_> misl: i have heard of taht looking into it
19:49 < sepp> that will give you a version nightmare
19:49 < nagulator_> __mnemoc: if xml cannot be read from vi, then who compiled that xml is a smuck
19:50 < nagulator_> well not if you refer to a single source for your dependencies
19:50 < nagulator_> you see
19:50 < nagulator_> t2, like any other build system works on a closed set of information
19:50 < nagulator_> no matter how you transform that set
19:50 < rxr_> hm
19:50 < nagulator_> if you stick to its rules
19:50 < rxr_> updating hal to 0.5.7 removed the fstab-sync
19:51 -!- You're now known as rxr
19:51 < nagulator_> you can write down the info anyway you like but you can never alter it
19:51 < nagulator_> if alternative package management systems always refer to the same central dependency resolution database, the only thing that changes is their representation of the data, not the data itself
19:52 < nagulator_> just and idea I am testing for now, it is fun and I like spending my time on it
19:53 < nagulator_> for example, sepp may call himself ____sepp or _sepp____ or ____sepp______
19:53 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:53 < nagulator_> he would not be sepp if he called himself ppes !
19:53 < nagulator_> if he did that he would change his data to a point of no return
19:54 < nagulator_> there you would have a version nightmare
19:54 < nagulator_> you would not know if ppes is a version of sepp or not
19:54 < nagulator_> but if you see only sepp
19:54 < nagulator_> no matter how many _____ you see
19:54 < nagulator_> it is always sepp in the end
19:54 < nagulator_> with a couple of underscores :)
19:55 < nagulator_> hope nobody is offended of course :) I am making an example
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19:56 < nagulator_> hmm bbs, you meditate if you have any time on this, I would love to hear an out-of-the-box opinion :)
19:56 < nagulator_> have to make a call :)
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20:07 < rxr> valentin: can you post a note what hal version you have on the iBook where mounting media "just works?"
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20:35 < valentin> HAL package version: 0.5.7
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21:15 -!- NovenTheHero [n=Noven@cpe-065-191-000-208.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
21:57 -!- nagulator_ [n=nagulato@athedsl-20858.otenet.gr] has quit [Client Quit]
23:20 < mnemoc> gn8 #t2
23:20 < karasz> gn8 mnemoc
23:20 < karasz> gn8 all
23:20 < mnemoc> gn8 karasz
--- Log closed Tue Jun 06 00:00:06 2006