--- Log opened Sat Jul 22 00:00:29 2006
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07:08 < rxr> re
08:06 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18705 /trunk/package/multimedia/mlt++/mlt++.conf: * fixed mlt++ for lib64
08:09 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18706 /trunk/package/base/lm_sensors/lm_sensors.conf: * fixed lm_sensors for lib64
08:13 < sepp_> hello :)
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08:22 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18707 /trunk/package/base/libcap/libcap.conf: * fixed libcap for lib64
08:24 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18708 /trunk/package/network/wireless-tools/wireless-tools.conf: * fixed wireless-tools for lib64
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10:02 < rxr> nice someone does the last remaining libdir ingorants ,-)
10:08 < sepp> hehe
10:09 < sepp> btw any plan for real multilib support (e.g. xorg and friends) ?
10:09 < sepp> t2 could be the 1st system where it really works
10:16 < rxr> yes, see some mail on the t2 list
10:16 < rxr> e.g. on sparc64 I hacked ncurses to build 2 times to get 64 and 32 bit flavours
10:17 < rxr> the same should be possible for all packages
10:17 < rxr> and this controlled generically by some dietlibc enabling a-like list
10:17 < rxr> e.g. mark packages with MULTILIB what are worth having in two flavours
10:17 < rxr> generic a config entry list dynamically as dietlibc does where the associated 32bit / 64bit build can be selected
10:17 < sepp> :)
10:18 < rxr> (and of course enforced by architectures and targets) and then loop over those settings for each package
10:18 < rxr> since I do not really need it right now I'll go implement more important stuff for me
10:18 < rxr> e.g. new installer and packager and faster Config
10:18 < rxr> but patches extremly welcomed
10:19 < rxr> e.g. we could default to mutilib build a reasonable subset of packages
10:19 < sepp> yeah a not so slow Config is much more important imo
10:19 < rxr> those needed for basic X applicatoins and those needed for openoffice
10:19 < rxr> because open office can not be built for 64bit right now
10:19 < rxr> (if it builds once in 100 release versions the load/save format is incompatible and it crahes more often than not)
10:20 < rxr> oh, not to forget wine
10:20 < rxr> so to summerize defaulting the dependencies of wine, and ooo to mutilib would be reasonable
10:22 < sepp> any clue what that evil libtool wants to tell with:
10:22 < sepp> libtool: compile: unable to infer tagged configuration
10:22 < sepp> libtool: compile: specify a tag with `--tag'
10:22 < sepp> ?
10:23 < rxr> nope
10:23 < rxr> which package ?
10:24 < sepp> gtkglextmm, fox and flac
10:24 < sepp> trunk
10:25 < rxr> those once built for me on amd64
10:25 < sepp> hmm, strange
10:25 < rxr> have you tried the LIBTOOL-HACK flags ?
10:25 < rxr> well, maybe the new versions require different hacks ....
10:27 < sepp> will try that
10:28 < rxr> I found as last resort adding LIBTOOL=/usr/bin/libtool usually works ...
10:31 < sepp> ohh, as-needed makes libtool (sometimes) fail
10:32 < CIA-7> rene * r18709 /trunk/architecture/share/kernel-common.conf.m4: 
10:32 < CIA-7> * enable CONFIG_PCCARD in the generically, shared kernen config,
10:32 < CIA-7>  aside useful as it, it fixed the CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA to actually take
10:32 < CIA-7>  effect since it depends on it
10:35 < CIA-7> rene * r18710 /trunk/package/base/linux26/12-conf-hacks.patch: 
10:35 < CIA-7> * sanitized linux26/12-conf-hacks.patch which's quality degraded over
10:35 < CIA-7>  the years it was just quickly ported to new kconf flavours
10:43 < CIA-7> rene * r18711 /trunk/package/multimedia/libcdio/libcdio.desc: * added a more useful Url to libcdio and took over maintenance
10:45 < rxr> sepp: do you have some TODO points in your mind how a "perfect" audio player would look and work like and/or must have / must not have issues ?
10:46 < rxr> if you would have some spare minutes to document your thoughts it would be a welcome input for my reflashed joy coding on "gsmp"
10:46 < sepp> well, the xmms look is ok, even my grandma would understand howto use it
10:47 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/75797
10:47 < rxr> ^- AMD now officially looking to buy ATi
10:50 < sepp> cool, as needed seems to break libtool on all c++ things
10:50 < rxr> ouh
10:53 < sepp> libtool --mode=link g++ -o empty empty.cpp
10:54 < sepp> same error
10:57 < sepp> it can not even handle "int main(){}"
10:57 < rxr> system libtool or some package libtool=
10:57 < rxr> ? even
10:57 < sepp> system libtool
10:57 < rxr> have you tried if the same works on a non-ld-as-needed system ?
10:58 < sepp> outside debug.sh that works
11:03 < sepp> well, at least now i know that i had 12 c++ pkgs using libtool in my target :p
11:06 < rxr> he
11:06 < rxr> h
11:18 < sepp> the e17 music player (eclair) looks pretty nice, but it seems to be a dead project and it has not even an equializer
11:18 < sepp> and now it has not even a file dialog any more
12:33 < rxr> re
13:32 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18712 /trunk/package/audio/hydrogen/ (hydrogen.conf plugins.patch): * fixed hydrogen for lib64
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14:20 < Baldzius> moin
14:37 < sepp> hi Baldzius 
14:37 < Baldzius> hi sepp
14:38 < Baldzius> sepp: can you try 2.2:HEAD desktop target? is it working for you?
14:39 < Baldzius> or trunk
14:39 < Baldzius> it doesn't matter now
14:43 < sepp> complete desktop?
14:43 < Baldzius> i mean can you make a config of desktop target
14:43 < Baldzius> i have problems here on xeon box
14:44 < sepp> will try
14:44 < Baldzius> rxr sais it can be memory, and sysadmin of that box sais it's impossible
14:44 < Baldzius> because it's expensive server and bla bla bla
14:45 < Baldzius> same with archivista
14:45 < Baldzius> others work
14:47 < sepp> computer dies on Config?
14:48 < Baldzius> no, just got 0 packages
14:48 < Baldzius> and errors of malloc and realloc
14:49 < sepp> works here
14:49 < Baldzius> works for me too on my home athlon
14:50 < Baldzius> damn
14:50 < Baldzius> ok thanks sepp :)
14:50 < sepp> maybe there is a little bug flying around in the case
14:51 < Baldzius> :))))))
14:52 < CIA-7> sebastian * r18713 /trunk/package/emulators/xmame/xmame.conf: * fixed xmame for x86-64
14:53 < sepp> ask him to run memtest86
14:54 < Baldzius> yeah or try to change memory lusts
14:54 < Baldzius> i think he have spare 
14:56 < Baldzius> old desktop target worked and completelly compiled
14:56 < Baldzius> except qemu and vnc
14:56 < rxr> re
14:57 < Baldzius> this situation gets on my nerves :/
14:57 < Baldzius> wb rxr
14:57 < sepp> my computer used to crash under high load for >1h
14:57 < rxr> Baldzius: maybe it is just buggy host programs then ...
14:58 < rxr> e.g. sed or awk defect ...
14:58 < Baldzius> rxr: could be, i am running on debian host
14:58 < sepp> :)
14:59 < sepp> still systems around with kernel 1.2 :P
14:59 < Baldzius> t2 kernel refuses to boot, can't load ext3 module
15:00 < Baldzius> looks like it forgets to load jbd first
15:00 < Baldzius> and i give up on it when everything worked for me on debian host
15:00 < Baldzius> until now
15:05 < Baldzius> bbl
15:10 < rxr> Baldzius: hardcode the load of jbd in the initrdinit for a test
15:10 < rxr> but I think it works fine here
15:10 < rxr> /dev/sda1 / ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0
15:11 < rxr> on This Ultra30 sparc it work just fine ,-)
15:12 < rxr> cu later
15:16 < Baldzius> it works for me either, but not for that damn xeon
15:16 < Baldzius> cu
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15:56 < misl> hi folks
16:04 < misl> Where has everyone gone? The list of members has shrunk :(
16:05 < sepp> hi misl 
16:05 < misl> hi sepp :)
16:06 < sepp> already mad because of some little squaller? :)
16:07 < misl> :-) Luckily she is not squalling
16:07 < sepp> hehe
16:07 < misl>  but feeding times are exhausting
16:08 < shevegen> they have gone away to flee from the hotness :-)
16:08 < shevegen> sweating on their hardware, unable to think...
16:09 < misl> seems like it is hot everywhere :(
16:09 < sepp> in my fridge it is cold, too bad that it is so small
16:13 < misl> sepp: maybe you should buy a bigger fridge :)
16:14 < sepp> us style xxxxl monster
16:16 < misl> yess http://www.samsung.com/nl/products/builtin/refrigerators/rse8kpus.asp?page=Specifications
16:28 < sepp> not high enough ;)
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17:46 < rxr> re
17:47 < rxr> you could also check if the light rightly turns out when the door is closed ,-)
17:48 < rxr> and hack it thereafter to stay on ,-)))
18:19 < rxr> hi misl 
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18:25 < rxr> HI ojh 
18:54 < seb> hi
19:03 < rxr> hi seb 
19:05 < seb> hi. after find a couple of other broken packages in trunk. i tried building 2.2 branch with glibc for arm. it work well until 1-glibc failed 
19:06 < seb> i think the problem is that sysdep.h is not fund. but it is at least in the source folder of glibc
19:10 < misl> hi rxr :)
19:11 < misl> Last week I received my latest goody :) the iRex iLiad
19:11 < misl> http://www.irextechnologies.com/
19:11 < rxr> and ?
19:12 < rxr> comments, review ß
19:12 < rxr> ? even
19:14 < misl> Well the screen is very very nice :-)
19:14 < misl> but the general feeling is a bit slow
19:15 < misl> But the biggest problem is that I have not yet been able to hook it up to a wired network :(
19:15 < misl> haven't tried a wireless yet
19:16 < misl> Unfortunately the screen is a bit to small for A4 size pdf, the letter become very small but still readable.
19:17 < misl> In Q4 they will make an SDK available http://developer.irexnet.com/
19:18 < misl> it is based on a 2.4.19 
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19:28  * rxr wonders why companies use that old kernel
19:28 < rxr> my general feeling is that they use those when they have no control about their technology, no inside and rely on external e.g. cpu suppliers
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19:33 < misl_> :)
19:33 < misl_> This time it did hook up by wired network :)
19:39 < rxr> ,-)
19:40 < rxr> bah, whether forcast predict it stays that hot, how annoying
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19:43 < misl_> rxr: has the weather inflluenced your productivity too
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19:46 < rxr> yes, too hot here
19:46 < rxr> though our new office has thick walls and it is not that bad there
19:46 < rxr> but too hot anyway
19:47 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Office2/
19:48 < rxr> misl: we are now even funded by some university / EU funding and that office location is included
19:48 < rxr> picture 2 is the room where we have our "cubical"
19:48 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Office2/IMG_0502.JPG
19:49 < misl> click
19:49 < misl> nice office building you have there ;-) http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Office2/IMG_0503.JPG
19:50 < misl> rxr: seems like exactcode is doing well ;-)
19:50 < misl> Are these empty desks your cubicle?
19:57 < rxr> partially, we moved stuff around and of course carried a lot equipment there
19:57 < rxr> I can make a decent photo the nest days
20:00 < rxr> yes, though I have to hunt some license fees from the OS X driver and also work a lot on that
20:00 < rxr> but yes, this additional funding is very nice ,-))
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20:10 < misl> rxr: bye bye Netherlands http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Netherlands-2005/imgp0439.jpg
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20:19 < sepp> nice, complete netherlands on a single photo :P
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20:26 < misl> sepp: you want the netherlands on one photo http://satfoto.geoserve.nl/natural-nl/natural.gif
20:29 < sepp> :)
20:38 < sepp> google earth looks better
20:46 < rxr_> misl: yeah now with my new website publishing photos is as easy as drag'n drop
20:46 < rxr_> thus most of my last years photos are online since some weeks now ,-)
20:46 < rxr_> cu all and n8
20:46 < misl> rxr: I already had a look at some
20:46 < misl> cu rxr
20:46 < misl> sleep well
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