--- Log opened Tue Oct 10 00:00:42 2006 03:22 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.106.154] has joined #t2 03:53 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.106.154] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:21 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.106.154] has joined #t2 08:21 < rxr> re 08:36 < CIA-9> rene * r20102 /trunk/package/mail/fetchmail/ (configure_heimdal.patch fetchmail.desc heimdal_compile.patch): * updated fetchmail (6.3.4 -> 6.3.5) 08:43 < CIA-9> rene * r20103 /trunk/package/network/whois/whois.desc: * updated whois (4.7.17 -> 4.7.18) 09:32 < rxr> just a tine preannouncement 09:32 < rxr> oh damn? it is half 10 09:32 < rxr> damn have to hurry into uni to sign into some lectures 09:33 < rxr> damn I was just about to finsh some more Config acceleration thru LUA 09:33 < rxr> it will be 2 times as fast then, or better half as slow ... 09:33 < rxr> but I have to hurry into uni now 09:33 < rxr> commit then later from there ... 11:11 -!- Stelz[away] [n=stealth@80.240.210.253] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:16 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@pD9E13250.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 11:24 -!- mtr [n=Michael@pD9E10730.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 11:24 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 11:25 < rxr> re 11:25 < rxr> Google kauft YouTube für 1,65 Milliarden US-Dollar 11:26 < rxr> http://golem.de/0610/48270.html 11:26 -!- Stelz [n=stealth@80.240.210.253] has joined #t2 11:26 < rxr> moin Stelz 11:26 < Stelz> rehi 11:28 * Stelz is back (gone 00:02:40) 11:38 < Stelz> rxr: 11:38 < Stelz> 22:05'57 | Stelz> rxr: what do u think about my idea? 11:38 < Stelz> 22:06'11 | Stelz> we really need this addition for Cleanup right now :) 11:38 < Stelz> 22:06'38 | Stelz> hehe.. and after that.. mine may be removed 11:38 < Stelz> 22:07'05 | Stelz> cause we have installation/removal processes for packages 11:38 < Stelz> :) 11:39 < Stelz> 21:57'53 | Stelz> rxr: it must be just a simple script in Cleanup i think 11:39 < Stelz> 21:58'06 | Stelz> -remove flag 11:39 < Stelz> 21:58'12 | Stelz> and package name after it 11:39 < Stelz> 21:58'40 | Stelz> then it'll remove files, which are defined in /var/adm/flists/$ACKAGE 11:39 < Stelz> 21:58'47 | Stelz> $PACKAGE 11:39 < Stelz> :) 11:39 < rxr> for the mine replacement I already worte that I suggest pkgdel or what it was the BSDs and Slowlaris has 11:39 < rxr> for the build scripts I also agree that hiding it in Create-ErrList as it is curretly sucks very much 11:40 < rxr> maybe we really should move that into the Cleanup script 11:40 < Stelz> yup/ 11:40 < Stelz> so, when mine may be removed? 11:40 < rxr> I can do this after I finished my Config speedup work 11:40 < rxr> Stelz: one year ago :-) 11:40 < Stelz> uhm 11:41 < Stelz> speedup with lua? 11:41 < Stelz> rxr: :) 11:41 < rxr> well - seriously - I hope to remove mine until the final 7.0 release at the end of this year 11:41 < rxr> this really is a bigger work as it means rewriting the whole installer and such 11:41 < rxr> regarding the speedup, yes thru lua 11:41 < Stelz> uhm.. and u already built "our own pkg-sys" 11:41 < Stelz> or not? 11:42 < rxr> some Config parts are in LUA now and commit another rewrite in LUA chunk in some minutes 11:42 < rxr> with that changes from yesterday and today the Config is about twice as fast than before 11:42 < rxr> or half as slow as other would name it 11:42 < Stelz> nice 11:42 < Stelz> what's about pkg-sys? :) 11:42 < rxr> though still to slow - but that can then easily be addressed by removing the next speed hogs in LUA 11:43 < Stelz> my help doesn't needed in this way ?:) 11:43 < rxr> Stelz: sure your help is very much welcome 11:43 < rxr> Stelz: I did not yet understood what you want to change in which way 11:43 < rxr> maybe you can explain it to me once more ? 11:43 < Stelz> 13:30'07 | rxr> for the mine replacement I already worte that I suggest pkgdel or what it was the BSDs and Slowlaris has <- 11:44 < rxr> yep 11:44 < Stelz> no we have pkgadd ( emerge ) and pkgdel 11:44 < Stelz> *now 11:45 < Stelz> rxr: i just want T2 to be not like solaris/bsd 11:45 < rxr> sure - t2 wil stay as it is 11:45 < Stelz> we shold not copy algorithms from this OSes.. 11:45 < rxr> just the mine command needs to go 11:45 < rxr> we copy nothing 11:45 < Stelz> :) 11:45 < rxr> just the name 11:45 < Stelz> grr 11:45 < Stelz> name suxx :) 11:45 < rxr> ouh 11:45 < rxr> what do you suggest? 11:45 < Stelz> look at lunar 11:46 < Stelz> they have lin to install pkg 11:46 < Stelz> lrm to del it 11:46 < Stelz> lvu util to take a lot of info/lists/etc. 11:47 < Stelz> we may have one script-name but with some flags 11:47 < Stelz> like -del/-add/-info/etc. 11:48 < Stelz> they have lget also to DL sources 11:48 < rxr> do you like this lunar "way" ? 11:48 < Stelz> not so much :) 11:49 < Stelz> rxr: i have an idea about it 11:49 < Stelz> to make it better 11:49 < Stelz> we have one-script. 11:49 < Stelz> the name of it == "two" (nice, yeah?) :) 11:49 < Stelz> and flags like -add / -del / -info / -download 11:50 < Stelz> will link to ./scripts/$SCRIPT-NAME 11:50 < Stelz> uhm 11:50 < Stelz> will link to /usr/t2-src/scripts/$SCRIPT-NAME 11:51 < Stelz> "two -add gcc" will do "/usr/t2-src/scripts/Emerge-Pkg gcc" 12:00 < rxr> well there are more use cases 12:00 < rxr> e.g. you leave out what mine is currently used for: installation from CD, LiveCD and network 12:00 < rxr> also the new thing should optionally be graphical to please the normal users and thus widen our user-comunity 12:01 < Stelz> rxr: of course there are more 12:01 < Stelz> rxr: two without flags will open a GUI :) 12:01 < rxr> and last but not least should support update from remote network locations where a T2 builder places updates, security updates and so on binary diffs to update the joe-user machines in the wild 12:02 < Stelz> yeah, of course 12:02 < rxr> do you want to add all this functionality into our scripts/ folder ? 12:02 < Stelz> r u about "two" or not? :) 12:03 < Stelz> or u r about scripts.. that do alots of work :) 12:04 < rxr> you wrote that "two" will use scripts/... to do the work, no ? 12:04 < Stelz> yeah 12:04 < Stelz> so i need to write this "two"? :) 12:06 < Stelz> hehe.. i really want to try :) 12:09 -!- kensai [n=kensai@206.248.98.122] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:21 < rxr> Stelz: yeah sure 12:21 < rxr> I polish our Config and get it to a decent speed and you do some two work - that sounds good 12:33 < Stelz> :)) 12:33 < Stelz> tell me, when u'll finish your Config-optimizations 12:34 < Stelz> rxr: could you recommend me some nice GUI-svn-client? 12:34 < Stelz> used eSVN.. but seems to be it doesnt support svn >= 1.4.0 12:34 < rxr> ouh I use none 12:34 < rxr> there is rapidsvn and kde also has something 12:35 < rxr> ksvn or so 12:35 < Stelz> 'im looking at rapidsvn now 12:35 < rxr> for windows there is a nice explorer plugin, torturesvn or so 12:35 < Stelz> for wind0ze? 12:35 < Stelz> for this shit? :) 12:35 < Stelz> i forget about wind0ze forever since october 2001 12:36 < Stelz> *forgot 13:04 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.106.154] has quit [Connection timed out] 13:32 < rxr> yeah - sure, me too 13:32 < rxr> I just felt like mentioning it ... 13:36 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.67.232.101] has joined #t2 14:01 < CIA-9> susan * r20104 /trunk/package/gnome2/brasero/brasero.desc: * updated brasero (0.4.91 -> 0.4.92) 14:01 < CIA-9> susan * r20105 /trunk/package/gnome2/pygtk/pygtk.desc: * updated pygtk (2.10.1 -> 2.10.3) 14:22 -!- rxr [n=rene@port-212-202-41-169.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2 14:22 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 6.0 Branched! - trunk going for 7.0 | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 14:22 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Fri Jul 28 13:28:35 2006] 14:22 [Users #t2] 14:22 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw] [ mtr] [ sepp ] [ th] 14:22 [ _Ragnar_] [ idealm] [ LMJ ] [ rxr] [ Stelz] 14:22 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal] 14:22 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 14:22 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 1 secs 14:22 -!- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp 14:22 -!- valentin [n=valentin@port-212-202-41-169.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2 15:16 < sepp> hello :) 15:25 < rxr> re 15:25 < rxr> hi sepp 15:26 < sepp> hi rxr 15:31 < CIA-9> rene * r20106 /trunk/scripts/ (config-functions.in config-functions.lua config.in): 15:31 < CIA-9> * reimplemented the former pkgsel code (shell code generating the 15:31 < CIA-9> pattern matching awk script) in LUA, resulting in a vast 15:31 < CIA-9> performance bost and some more feature on-the-way (like 15:31 < CIA-9> consistent support in custom rules and pkgsel files in a 15:31 < CIA-9> combined feature set) 15:32 < sepp> :) 15:34 < rxr> detailed performance numbers on the list in some minutes 15:35 < CIA-9> rene * r20107 /trunk/scripts/Config: * do not print directory information while building the tools 15:35 < CIA-9> rene * r20108 /trunk/misc/luabash/cf/Rules: * do not print directory information in our luabash, likewise 16:10 < CIA-9> rene * r20109 /trunk/scripts/config.in: * fixed custom pkgsel to actually also use the new code 17:59 < LMJ> moin min 18:00 < Stelz> moin moin moin LMJ 18:00 < LMJ> i saw a bunch of discution around LUA, but what is it exactly ? 18:01 < Stelz> LMJ: some lua-additions in to make Config be faster x2 at least 18:02 < LMJ> yes 18:02 < LMJ> but it's a script language ? 18:10 < Stelz> LUA ? 18:10 < Stelz> The Lua (pronounced LOO-ah, or /'lua/ in IPA) programming language is a lightweight, reflective, imperative and procedural language, designed as a scripting language with extensible semantics as a primary goal. 18:10 < Stelz> wikipedia ftw 18:11 < Stelz> but lua-code may be compiled with luac - lua compiler 18:11 < Stelz> Lua is a dynamically typed language intended for use as an extension or scripting language, and is compact enough to fit on a variety of host platforms. 18:28 < Stelz> Lua, as a compiled binary, is very small by code standards. Coupled with its relatively fast speed, and its very lenient license, it has gained a following among game developers for providing a viable scripting interface. 18:28 < Stelz> :) 18:59 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:03 < misl> hi folsk 19:03 < misl> folks 19:03 < Stelz> hello misl :) 20:13 < rxr> re 20:14 < Stelz> rehi rxr ;) 20:14 < rxr> hi misl 20:15 < rxr> hi Stelz 20:15 < misl> hi rxr 20:23 < rxr> how do you do misl ? 20:23 < misl> rxr: fine but tired and bussy 20:23 < misl> how about you 20:23 < misl> ? 20:25 < rxr> busy but very well, thanks 20:39 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png 20:39 < rxr> ^- !!! 20:39 < Stelz> hehe rxr 20:40 < rxr> http://www.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~vrbehr/cups-pdf/download.shtml 20:40 < rxr> ^- we er now linked there as well 20:40 < Stelz> rxr: is there any progs/scripts to make a nice boot screen during the sysboot? 20:41 < rxr> well they more than less suck very much 20:41 < rxr> mostly usplash and splashy 20:41 < rxr> but I can not recommend them 20:41 < Stelz> hm.. any way? :) 20:41 < rxr> I'm working on a "good quality code(tm)" implementation 20:41 < Stelz> hm 20:41 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/escreen/ 20:41 < rxr> but I had no spare time to finish the version public version the last weeks 20:42 < rxr> maybe I can work on that at the 2nd half of this months to get it public 20:43 < Stelz> rxr: niiiiiice! is that boot-screen during the hardware-detection etc? 20:43 < rxr> yes, from the very early kernel boot until login or X 20:43 < Stelz> YEAH!!!! 20:44 < Stelz> :)) 20:44 < Stelz> with the beautiful percentage :) 20:44 < rxr> I reviewed usplash and splashy for a client on an embedded platform 20:44 < rxr> but I had to tell him I can not recommend it - I would solder it together if he wants it anyway but it really is really ugly code that barely works if at all 20:45 < rxr> so he listed and lives without it for some more weeks 20:45 < Stelz> i'll wait for the first escreen version :) 20:45 < rxr> but he might sponsoer portions of my new code if he likes the outcome - but it is not high priority TODO entry right now 20:46 < Stelz> rxr: no kernel patches are needed/no kernel-recompilation? 20:47 < rxr> nope neither 20:47 < rxr> only FB support built in 20:48 < Stelz> hehe, nice 20:48 < rxr> that is the same for usplash and splashy, nor kernel patching for 20:48 < Stelz> i hope some "working version" will go with 7.0 final :) 20:49 < rxr> only for the good old suse or so bootsplash is a kernel 20:49 < Stelz> hehe.. we'll have a lot of news with 7.0.. this bootsplash, our own pkg-sys.. a lot of new packages.. heh nice.. T2 will be the best distro :) 20:49 < Stelz> uhm, err. 20:49 < Stelz> not a distro! ;-) 20:50 < Stelz> uhh.. and i'll try to make T2 the best from the best :) 20:51 < Stelz> *try to help 20:51 < Stelz> :) 20:52 < Stelz> but now i go to bed, and 'll wait when u finish Config-optimization, and then i'll start the work on "two" ;) 20:52 < Stelz> good night 20:52 * Stelz is away: Sleep is good. Zzzzz 20:52 -!- Stelz is now known as Stelz[away] 20:56 -!- kensai [n=kensai@206.248.98.122] has joined #t2 20:56 < CIA-9> rene * r20110 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.10.2 -> 0.9.11) 20:57 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p83.129.205.145.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 20:58 < rxr> moin sepp_ 20:59 < sepp_> huhu rxr :) 21:00 < sepp_> is qsc ok? 21:00 < sepp_> as isp ... 21:00 < rxr> the last 3 years it was superb, recently valentin's home and our office line sucked a bit from time to time 21:01 < rxr> like new tcp/ip connections got lost (only existing ones kept working) 21:01 < rxr> hopefully just a temprorary glitch while upgrading some stuff on their side 21:01 < sepp_> :) 21:02 < rxr> btw. on their SDSL lines .de ping times are of course below 30ms 21:03 < rxr> 64 octets from 193.99.144.80: icmp_seq=0 ttl=246 time=26.4 ms 21:03 < CIA-9> rene * r20111 /trunk/package/gnome2/bluefish/bluefish.desc: * updated bluefish (1.0.5 -> 1.0.6) 21:03 < sepp_> well, i want dsl without phone, i don't use landline i have >2 times a month 21:04 < sepp_> and stupid telekom disconnecting every 24h sucks 21:04 < CIA-9> rene * r20112 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.desc: * updated spamassassin (3.1.5 -> 3.1.7) 21:04 < rxr> sepp_: yep, ack 21:04 < rxr> susan and even have nothing anymore at home 21:04 < rxr> each a O2 cell with homezone covering our office _and_ flat :-) 21:04 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p83.129.192.128.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:05 < rxr> with hanging in the office too much and UMTS @home ... :-) 21:05 < sepp_> hehe 21:05 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp 21:05 < rxr> tough covering both office and home has the bad sideeffect that your business contact can reach you anytime 21:06 < rxr> though maybe that is good for our business - whatever angle you look at that 21:10 < sepp> :) 21:12 < CIA-9> rene * r20113 /trunk/package/network/lighttpd/lighttpd.desc: * updated lighttpd (1.4.12 -> 1.4.13) 21:14 < CIA-9> rene * r20114 /trunk/package/base/gcc/parse-config: * fixed some spacing and unwatned sh-bang in gcc/parse-config while reading over it 21:22 < CIA-9> rene * r20115 /trunk/package/audio/jack/ (4 files): * updated jack (0.101.1 -> 0.102.20) 21:24 < rxr> ok - I go home in some secs 21:28 < rxr> cu 22:06 < CIA-9> mtr * r20116 /trunk/package/multimedia/transcode/fix-autoconf-failure.patch: * fixed transcode autoconf failure, taken from CVS 23:42 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Log closed Wed Oct 11 00:00:44 2006