--- Log opened Wed Oct 11 00:00:44 2006
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08:29 < rxr> moin
08:31 < CIA-9> rene * r20117 /trunk/target/generic/config.in: * migrated the generic target to the new and even simpler to use pkgsel
08:31 < CIA-9> rene * r20118 /trunk/scripts/config-functions.lua: * simplified new file reading loops
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09:05 [Users #t2]
09:05 [@ChanServ] [ idealm] [ LMJ] [ sepp       ] [ valentin] 
09:05 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw  ] [ mtr] [ Stelz[away]] 
09:05 [ CIA-9   ] [ kensai] [ rxr] [ th         ] 
09:05 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
09:11 < CIA-9> rene * r20119 /trunk/package/develop/roundup/roundup.desc: * updated roundup (1.1.2 -> 1.2.1)
09:13 < CIA-9> rene * r20120 /trunk/package/network/xmlrpc-c/xmlrpc-c.desc: * updated xmlrpc-c (1.06.05 -> 1.06.06)
09:23 < CIA-9> rene * r20121 /trunk/package/multimedia/qdvdauthor/qdvdauthor.desc: * updated qdvdauthor (0.1.2 -> 0.1.3)
09:24 < CIA-9> rene * r20122 /trunk/package/network/rtorrent/rtorrent.desc: * updated rtorrent (0.6.2 -> 0.6.3)
09:27 < CIA-9> rene * r20123 /trunk/package/develop/avrdude/avrdude.desc: * updated avrdude (5.0 -> 5.2), 5.1 was skipped due to build errors
10:01 < rxr> re
10:01  * rxr trying to fix this libtool issues once and for all
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11:48 < rxr> oh god: Entwickler und Namenspatron des Linux-Dateisystems ReiserFS verhaftet
11:48 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/79288
12:04 < sepp> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=200131&cid=16386955 :)
12:13 < rxr> not funny at all
12:18 < sepp> hehe
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13:23 < CIA-9> rene * r20124 /trunk/package/network/tcp_wrappers/ (tcp_wrappers.conf weak_symbols.patch): * fixed tcp_wrapper to alway link in weak symbols
13:24 < CIA-9> rene * r20125 /trunk/package/base/quota/quota.desc: * updated quota (3.12 -> 3.14)
13:39 < CIA-9> mtr * r20126 /trunk/package/gnome2/gconf/gconf.desc: * updated gconf (2.14.0 -> 2.16.0)
13:43 < CIA-9> rene * r20127 /trunk/package/www/lynx/ (lynx.conf lynx.desc): * updated lynx (2.8.5 -> 2.8.6), and simplified it's .conf
16:52 < rxr> re
17:05 < rxr> http://golem.de/0610/48311.html
17:25 < valentin> lol
17:25 < valentin> Durch die Umrechnung vom 10er- in das 2er-System schleichen sich oft Fehler ein, die aufwändig korrigiert werden müssen.
17:29 < valentin> well, i guess they mean floating point calculations
18:08 < rxr> re
18:08 < rxr> hi valentin 
18:17 < CIA-9> rene * r20128 /trunk/package/network/libtorrent/libtorrent.desc: * updated libtorrent (0.10.2 -> 0.10.3)
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18:43 < CIA-9> rene * r20129 /trunk/package/multimedia/linphone/linphone.desc: * updated linphone (1.4.1 -> 1.5.0)
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19:14 < rxr> http://cbs5.com/localwire/localfsnews/bcn/2006/09/13/n/HeadlineNews/HOME-SEARCHED/resources_bcn_html
19:25 < rxr> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061011-7956.html
19:41 < CIA-9> rene * r20130 /trunk/ (24 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed)
19:41 < CIA-9> * updated kde (3.5.4 -> 3.5.5), including:
19:41 < CIA-9> * updated kdegames (3.5.4 -> 3.5.5)
19:41 < CIA-9> * updated kdebindings (3.5.4 -> 3.5.5)
19:41 < CIA-9> * updated kde-i18n-es (3.5.4 -> 3.5.5)
19:41 < CIA-9> * updated kde-i18n-it (3.5.4 -> 3.5.5)
19:41 < CIA-9> * updated kdeaddons (3.5.4 -> 3.5.5)
19:45 < CIA-9> ragnar * r20131 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.desc: * dietlibc needs fpic-quirk on x86-64
19:46 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ieeek!
19:46 < rxr> it should not
19:46 < rxr> what did you do? compile it as usual ?
19:46 < _Ragnar_> well dbus fails it not
19:46 < _Ragnar_> yea
19:46 < rxr> you build dbus against dietlibc ?
19:46 < _Ragnar_> eeeh
19:46 < _Ragnar_> udve
19:46 < _Ragnar_> udev*
19:46 < _Ragnar_> not dbus
19:47 < rxr> what is the exact error ?
19:47 < rxr> (throwing -fPIC boilderplate on a normally statically linked C library is at least not the right way to go)
19:48  * rxr testbuilding right now on my Turion64 subnotebook
19:48 < _Ragnar_> why shouldn't a statically linked lib not be PIC?
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19:49 < _Ragnar_> bad symbols.... the usual message that appears when you need to have -fPIC
19:50 < _Ragnar_> was the error
19:50 < rxr> -fPIC is for position independant code, something you do not have with shared libraries
19:50 < rxr> it just makes your static dietlibc binaries fatter and slower
19:50 < rxr> especially on x86 where you have on register less in the PIC case ...
19:51 < rxr> !> /usr/dietlibc/lib-x86_64/dyn_start.o: could not read symbols: Bad value
19:51 < _Ragnar_> I don't see why o_o PIC tells the compiler to use relative jumps doesn't it?
19:51 < rxr> fPIC is far more than relative jumps
19:51 < rxr> I can reproduce this here, (I did not udpate udev on all my machines yet)
19:52 < rxr> I'll review later why this happens at all
19:52 < _Ragnar_> duh huh :p
19:52 < rxr> /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../../../x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /usr/dietlibc/lib-x86_64/dyn
19:52 < rxr> _start.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `_fini' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with
19:52 < rxr> -fPIC
19:52 < rxr> /usr/dietlibc/lib-x86_64/dyn_start.o: could not read symbols: Bad value
19:54 < rxr> err
19:54 < rxr> hell freezes over
19:54 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:54 < rxr> this is because the udev people use ld for linking and thus the udev helpers are tried to be linked dynamically ...
19:55 < rxr> this is not intended and can of course not work ...
19:55 < _Ragnar_> why does it work with the -fPIC then?
19:59 < rxr> ld then the relocaton format matches and ld links it together
19:59 < rxr> whether the helpers actually work then is another matter
20:02 < rxr> oh
20:02 < rxr> udev even tries to build a dnamilc volumeid library ...
20:02 < _Ragnar_> btw the -fPIC makes libc 26k bigger
20:04 < rxr> 26k too much :-)
20:05 < _Ragnar_> :P
20:05 < _Ragnar_> what should it be using instead of ld?
20:06 < rxr> gcc
20:06 < rxr> then our wrapper also passed -static automagically
20:06 < rxr> but the problem is also another
20:06 < _Ragnar_> ah
20:06 < rxr> udev explictly wants to buidl a .so
20:06 < rxr> it has a VOLUME_ID_STATIC in the submakefile
20:06 < _Ragnar_> o_o
20:07 < rxr> but the top one does not pass it down
20:07 < rxr> and explicitly passing it down did not yet help
20:07  * rxr still on that issue
20:07 < _Ragnar_> ok
20:07 < rxr> linking with ld is long "out"
20:08 < rxr> gcc does the "right things (tm)"
20:08 < rxr> rule of thumb is to call ld only if you have to and know what you do
20:12 < rxr> damn junk makefile crack
20:12  * rxr patching the offending line away now :-)
20:12 < _Ragnar_> new project: exactmake? :)
20:15 < rxr> well - I already have nice non-recursive makefiles
20:15 < rxr> stuff like macosd, exact-audio, exact-image, ... are using it
20:15 < rxr> even intern projects at the University of Saarbruecken :-)
20:15 < rxr> it even has a configure replacement
20:16 < rxr> the makefile system is modelled after recursive makefiles considered harmful and the reloaded paper
20:16 < rxr> I had to do that because GNU autoconf and automake and libtool made me thick
20:16 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/exact-build/
20:19 < rxr> so, commit in a minute after the final testbuild
20:20 < _Ragnar_> ok
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20:28 < misl> hi folks
20:28 < rxr> moin misl 
20:36 < CIA-9> rene * r20132 /trunk/package/ (base/dietlibc/dietlibc.desc filesystem/udev/no-so.patch): * reverted r20131, fixed udev to not try to build a shared library instead
20:40 < LMJ> moin moin
20:51 < _Ragnar_> ipv6 d/ls for kde? o_o
21:06 < _Ragnar_> hmmm what do I need to do to get t2 to be a ipv6 router?
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21:50 < kensai> exact desktop will compile which DE's?
21:59 < kensai> I believe it is a preatty much everything right?
22:01 < CIA-9> sebastian * r20133 /trunk/package/multimedia/cinelerra/world.patch: * fixed cinelerra to build with openexr 1.4, also cleaned up the patch a bit
22:01 < sepp> kde and some gnome, but not enough to use full gnome iirc
22:03 < sepp> some gnome libs for other packages
22:05 < sepp> and e17 :)
22:06 < kensai> I see
22:06 < kensai> I'm planning to build t2 as well
22:07 < sepp> :)
22:08 < kensai> I have a CPU to burn
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