--- Log opened Sun Nov 12 00:00:28 2006 00:46 -!- shevegen [n=adh4@chello080108103172.36.11.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #t2 01:22 -!- shevegen [n=adh4@chello080108103172.36.11.univie.teleweb.at] has left #t2 ["Going 'way"] 05:20 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:28 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 07:52 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p83.129.198.67.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:58 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 08:58 < misl> hi folks 09:16 < Stelz> re 10:34 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@pD9E12C74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 10:51 -!- mtr [n=Michael@pD9E12746.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:51 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 10:53 -!- pamdirac [n=pamdirac@88-149-163-222.f5.ngi.it] has joined #t2 10:59 < rxr> re 10:59 [Users #t2] 10:59 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ Stelz ] 10:59 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ pamdirac] [ valentin] 10:59 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ zod ] 10:59 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 11:04 < misl> morning rxr 11:07 < rxr> moin misl 11:07 < misl> :) 11:11 < pamdirac> morning all 11:11 < misl> hi pamdirac 11:21 < rxr> how do you do misl? 11:22 < CIA-5> rene * r20807 /trunk/package/network/stunnel/stunnel.desc: * updated stunnel (4.18 -> 4.19) 11:22 < CIA-5> rene * r20808 /trunk/package/security/openct/openct.desc: * updated openct (0.6.9 -> 0.6.10) 11:44 < pamdirac> rxr: do you go to the 23C3? 11:44 < CIA-5> rene * r20809 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.desc: * updated openldap (2.3.28 -> 2.3.29) 11:45 < CIA-5> rene * r20810 /trunk/package/x11/fox/fox.desc: * updated fox (1.6.18 -> 1.6.19) 11:45 < rxr> pamdirac: yeah - maybe 11:45 < rxr> pamdirac: why do you ask ? 11:47 < pamdirac> without reason 11:47 < pamdirac> I come to 23c3, perhaps 11:49 < rxr> :-) 11:50 < rxr> well - as I'm living in berlin anyway I might indeed come over 11:50 < rxr> especially as we celebrate x-mas and new year in berlin this year 11:50 < pamdirac> :) 11:51 < misl> rxr: I am fine, how about you? 11:51 * misl about to leave (family shopping time) 11:52 < rxr> misl: oh sure - thanks, fine as well 11:53 < misl> cu later 11:53 < misl> :) 11:56 < rxr> cu misl 11:57 < CIA-5> rene * r20811 /trunk/package/base/00-dirtree/data.txt: * removed the old cksum dir from 00-dirtree, likewise 12:05 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.42.233.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 12:05 < sepp> hello :) 12:06 < rxr> moin moin sepp 12:06 [Users #t2] 12:06 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ zod] 12:06 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ pamdirac] [ Stelz ] 12:06 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 12:06 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 12:06 < sepp> moin rxr 12:10 < CIA-5> rene * r20812 /trunk/package/python/setuptools/ (setuptools.conf setuptools.desc): * updated setuptools (0.6a10 -> 0.6c3) 12:16 * rxr also never imagined to end up touching all this evil python cruft ... 12:16 < rxr> what one does all just to get a decent bug tracking system ... 12:36 < Stelz> cu misl hi sepp 12:40 < rxr> hi Stelz 12:40 < Stelz> hi rxr 12:48 < mtr> hi * 12:48 < rxr> hi mtr 12:53 < rxr> so - coll 12:53 < rxr> cool 12:53 < rxr> I hope I got all the many details and plugins of trac mixed together correctly: 12:53 < rxr> http://bugs.t2-project.org/ 12:53 < rxr> can anyone try to register there ? 12:55 < rxr> cool - appears to work 12:55 < rxr> so - open points: 12:55 < rxr> - sync svn to the uni box 12:56 < rxr> (so trac can browse it) 12:56 < rxr> - tunnel mail out of the uni box (as the uni firewall does block nearly everything including mail) 12:58 < mtr> rxr: did you already setup some accounts? register mtr fails: 12:58 < mtr> Error 12:58 < mtr> Another account with that name already exists. 12:59 < rxr> yes, your account is still there from importing the old database 13:00 < rxr> I delete it as there is no matching password from the import 13:00 < rxr> can you retry ? 13:01 < Stelz> Firefox can't find the server at bugs.t2-project.org. 13:01 < Stelz> hmm 13:01 < mtr> yes, works now ;-) 13:02 < rxr> Stelz: ouh ? 13:02 < Stelz> o.O 13:02 < Stelz> Firefox can't find the server at www.t2-project.org. 13:02 < rxr> Stelz: but it worked yesterday, no ? 13:02 < Stelz> yeah, but not now o.O 13:02 < rxr> ;; ANSWER SECTION: 13:02 < rxr> t2-project.org. 60 IN A 212.202.41.169 13:02 < rxr> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 13:02 < rxr> t2-project.org. 86400 IN NS ns1.threllis.net. 13:02 < rxr> t2-project.org. 86400 IN NS ns2.threllis.net. 13:02 < rxr> maybe it is your ISP ? 13:02 < Stelz> maybe.. 13:03 < Stelz> anyway.. can't connect to t2-project 13:04 < rxr> add the servers to your /etc/hosts :-) 13:04 < rxr> 212.202.41.169 www.t2-project.org 13:05 < rxr> 141.64.23.9 bugs.t2-project.org 13:09 < mtr> a lot of old tickets from the db import ... 13:11 < rxr> yep 13:12 -!- Stelz [n=stealth@80.240.210.253] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 13:24 -!- Stelz [n=stealth@80.240.210.253] has joined #t2 13:24 < rxr> rehi Stelz 13:24 [Users #t2] 13:24 [@ChanServ] [ capey] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ zod] 13:24 [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-5] [ LMJ ] [ pamdirac] [ Stelz ] 13:24 [ Baldzius] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 13:24 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 13:24 < Stelz> rehi rxr ;) 13:26 < Stelz> time to update t2-source-tree 13:30 < rxr> Stelz: does *.t2-project.org work again for you ? 13:30 < Stelz> no :| 13:31 < Stelz> Error while performing action: PROPFIND request failed on '/t2/trunk' 13:31 < Stelz> PROPFIND of '/t2/trunk': could not connect to server (https://svn.exactcode.de) 13:32 < rxr> Stelz: guess the same isssue as you have with t2-project.org 13:32 < rxr> yesterday our ISP did some nameserver restructuring ... 13:32 < rxr> maybe your ISP cached something strangely ... 13:37 < rxr> Stelz: maybe use another nameserver the next few hours 13:37 < Stelz> ok 13:38 < sepp> here it works 13:38 < rxr> 141.64.3.55 and/or 141.64.3.40 are university ones in Berlin 13:38 < rxr> sepp: ack - manual queries look right and the web stat also looks ok - e.g. no break in the hits ... 13:48 < CIA-5> rene * r20813 /trunk/package/editors/tea/tea.desc: * updated tea (13.3 -> 14.3.0) 13:48 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 13:58 < rxr> can someone test if http://rene.rebe.name is reachable ? 13:59 < sepp> it is 14:00 < rxr> ok - thanks 14:01 < rxr> my office ISP appears to have caching issues on that domain as well as stelz experience ... 14:01 < rxr> thanks for testing 14:07 -!- Stelz [n=stealth@80.240.210.253] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:09 -!- Stelz [n=stealth@80.240.210.253] has joined #t2 14:44 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 14:44 < misl> re 14:47 < Stelz> rehi 15:37 < rxr> re 17:59 < CIA-5> luca * r20814 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: 17:59 < CIA-5> Luca Piol 17:59 < CIA-5> * Fixes a possible problem with glibc linking to host libraries 17:59 < CIA-5> * for the memusagestat binary in toolchain or cross stages. 18:15 < CIA-5> rene * r20815 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: * slightly cleaned up and identation of r20814 18:36 -!- Stelz [n=stealth@80.240.210.253] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 19:48 -!- tadao [n=tadao@233-106.adsl.pool.ew.hu] has joined #t2 19:49 < tadao> good evening t2 19:49 < sepp> hello tadao 19:50 < tadao> once more thanks for target mini-kde live cd 19:50 < tadao> subversion was a desaster under slackware 19:51 < tadao> but with slax i could check out th trunk 19:51 < sepp> :) 19:51 < tadao> so i configured -and downloaded -it was about 450 mg -is that ok 19:52 < tadao> 450 MB 19:52 < sepp> you can reduce it more if you want, but if it is fine ... 19:54 < tadao> sounds very good to me -even before squash , just gimp samba VIM exim procmail telnet i really would like to throw out -> just How ? 19:54 < rxr> that is the download size 19:54 < rxr> download source size 19:54 < rxr> the ISO binary siize will differ 19:55 < sepp> ahh, i thought that was the iso size 19:55 < sepp> sorry ... 19:55 < tadao> Hi rxr once more thank you , was a nice kickstart , i guess i never had made it through alone 19:56 < tadao> --- ah what is the difference in size to be expected 19:56 < rxr> tadao: that mini target is not finished 19:56 < rxr> btw my Core Duo only built some hours on it - from when we talked up to 5 o'clock in the night ... :-) 19:57 < tadao> wow - but my epia will chrunch it longer i dare to guess 19:57 < tadao> 1000 bogomips 19:58 < tadao> in real life it should be some 600 MHZ machine 19:59 < tadao> anyway - i got millions of questions . e.g. howto manipulate the pkglist and where and btw some pkg didnt download :ipconfig,openssh unionfs ...how to correct that ? 20:00 < rxr> pkglist is just target/mini-kde-live/pkgsel 20:00 < rxr> replace mini-kde-live with what I actually named it yesterday .-) 20:03 < tadao> so just fill in the pkgname one on each line ?i couldnt find in handbook explanation of the code in front of pkgnames 20:03 < rxr> X is select 20:03 < rxr> O and - are select 20:03 < rxr> = is set to default 20:09 < tadao> sorry ,i dont get that - so what is = not selected , so how can i throw out gimp samba exim? 20:12 < sepp> "O gimp" 20:13 < sepp> X foo - select, O bar - deselect 20:13 < tadao> by editing the packagesfile in the system directory ? 20:15 < sepp> look at the file it includes 20:16 < sepp> but you can also do that in the pkgsel file / Config option of your config 20:21 < rxr> tadao: yes in that file 20:22 < rxr> if there is a X gimp and you do not want gimp then remove the line 20:22 < rxr> if there is no X gimp line in target/.../pkgsel then add a O gimp at the end 20:25 < tadao> well pkgsel till now is empty ...and packages.txt is 162kb so im abit confused 20:25 < rxr> the target/minimal-kde/pkgsel file 20:26 < rxr> the target/mini-live-kdee/pkgsel file 20:26 < rxr> even 20:31 < rxr> so - off for evening dinner with my girl - cu then 20:33 < tadao> nice evening 2u - so pkgsel in mini kde live should match 50-minimal-desktop 20:33 < tadao> by means of form 20:53 < emte> simular, yes 20:54 < emte> i am curious, what are you using the distro for? 20:57 < tadao> well , i want a light simple desktop optimized for epia cl10000 and pd10000 :kde-pim + k3b + qemu+kqemu in livecd with normal user accounts 20:58 < emte> umm 20:58 < emte> kde is far from light 20:58 < tadao> when u use slackware on these boards its quite acceptable 20:58 < tadao> i like fluxbox too 20:59 < tadao> but when u want k3b and konqueror 20:59 < tadao> u have already 70% of kde 20:59 < emte> i must say ... why would you want qemu on it? 20:59 < emte> some reson you need to emulat diff hardware? 20:59 < emte> reason* 21:00 < tadao> that stuff what is changing fast : firefox etc 21:00 < emte> ... 21:00 < tadao> if you have live cd u run in ram 21:00 < tadao> fast enough 21:00 < emte> if your not distributing it you could just use opera 21:01 < emte> or simbian i suppose 21:01 < tadao> i use opera and firefox 21:02 < tadao> just very elegant to use internetstuff from livecd in kqemu 21:02 < emte> that is one way to say it 21:02 < tadao> and the other 21:02 < tadao> ? 21:03 < emte> software emulation has it's own inherent issues 21:04 < emte> those being performance, reliability, and behaviour 21:04 < emte> but it is better than nothing in many cases 21:05 < tadao> once upon atime yes ... but nowadays ...xen vmware kqemu :rocksolid 21:05 < emte> vmware is, xen and qemu ... very very new projects still 21:06 < emte> but even vmware has performance and behaviour issues 21:06 < tadao> since when is xen and qemu new ??? 21:06 < emte> comparativly 21:06 < emte> vmware is almost 10years old i belive 21:07 < tadao> well look at xen good old academic stuff 21:07 < emte> altho i am impressed that MS didnt kill vmware outright 21:07 < tadao> and vmware license says : not allowed to benchmark :ridicolous 21:08 < emte> there is no real ware to bench mark an emulation enviroment 21:08 < emte> way* 21:08 < tadao> do abenchmark on host than repeat on guest ... 21:09 < emte> benchmarks refer to competator products 21:09 < emte> and in emulation you have ~three layers 21:09 < tadao> they refer towhatever you want 21:10 < emte> host hw performance, software dirver abstraction, and virtual hardware 21:10 < emte> driver* 21:10 < tadao> you want something eg compression : 21:10 < tadao> than you measure it on your system 21:10 < emte> its not that simple 21:11 < tadao> thats your real life bench :) 21:11 < emte> take oracle for example 21:11 < emte> it will far out perform on an intel processor compared to amd 21:12 < emte> even iff all the vairables are almost the same 21:12 < emte> variables* 21:13 < emte> the reason is that oracle uses access to extra math registers on the intel cpu when availible to streamline data processing 21:13 < emte> so its not a valid benchmark 21:14 < tadao> well we started at my reason for emulation : simplicity , security , stability 21:14 < emte> yeah 21:14 < tadao> so emulating one system in by anotherone completely in ram 21:14 < emte> i like skyeye myself 21:15 < tadao> is quite close to perfect for me 21:15 < emte> qemu has some ... undesirable behaviour when i used it 21:16 < tadao> what kind 21:20 < emte> was using it for cross compiling 21:20 < emte> all the work i was doing was on a second drive 21:20 < emte> and qemu liked to place garbage and cache files all over my first drive when it shouldnt have been accessing it 21:26 < tadao> well among the mentioned projects this is the oneman show 21:26 < emte> ? 21:26 < tadao> so even more impressive what the guy menaged to do 21:26 < tadao> xen university vmware = company qemu bellard 21:27 < tadao> so by manpower its david against three goliats 21:27 < tadao> but he got help now 21:28 < tadao> he was better than all the stuff this other company wrote 21:28 < tadao> and they bought his stuff because it was faster 21:29 < tadao> win4lin or so 21:32 < emte> hmm interesting ... 21:32 < emte> i wonder how uclinux runs on amd64 ... 21:34 < emte> oh wait bad me 21:34 < emte> skyeye now compiles native on amd64 21:34 < emte> :) 21:35 < emte> if i can make tinylogin behave ... maybe i'll get that image done this week 21:55 < tadao> have anice evening everybody ... 21:55 -!- tadao [n=tadao@233-106.adsl.pool.ew.hu] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 22:47 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]"] 23:31 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @ChanServ, LMJ, emte 23:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @ChanServ, emte, LMJ --- Log closed Mon Nov 13 00:00:29 2006