T2 IRC Log: 2006-11-19
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--- Log opened Sun Nov 19 00:00:39 2006
00:16 < emte> hmm
00:16 < emte> nope
00:16 < emte> autogen=1 does nothing as well
00:16 < emte> there has to be someway to disable autogen/autoreconf
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02:02 < pamdirac> notte
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08:20 < emte> moo
08:26 < emte> this comment makes no sense
08:26 < emte> # if the included autogen fails set autogen=1 to use our own ones
08:26 < emte> the included autogen will only fail if the host autotool mismatch
08:26 < emte> autotools*
08:34 * emte grumbles
08:34 < emte> something must be broken
08:43 < sepp> quack
08:43 < emte> hey
08:44 < emte> solve my problem for me
08:44 < sepp> :-)
08:44 < sepp> i am not awake
08:45 < sepp> send mail to the list :)
08:45 < emte> even setting autogen=0 and custmain="" i cant stop it from running the autogen/autoreconf scripts
08:47 < sepp> what runs autogen?
08:47 < emte> ots run by default apperently
08:47 < emte> its*
08:49 < emte> aha
08:49 < emte> mainfunction="" disabled everything
08:49 < emte> thats good
08:50 < sepp> something from tslib runs outgocrap i guess and not some t2 script?
08:50 < sepp> auto*
08:50 < emte> nope
08:51 < emte> my issue is really an autotool incompatability, disabling autogen is a workaround
08:53 < emte> i doubt kergoth has any plans soon to update to a relativly recent autotools
08:56 < emte> does this look like it runs autogen no matter what you set it to? if [ -n "$( type -p $configscript )" -o $autogen = 1 ]
08:56 < emte> thats from runconf
08:56 < sepp> it has no configure script?
08:56 < emte> who?
08:57 < sepp> tslib
08:57 < emte> tslib has the full setup ... maybe i should just patch out the .in files so it cant regen ....
08:57 < emte> hmm ... thats worth a try
08:58 < sepp> and it has a makefile?
08:58 < emte> yup
08:58 < sepp> why does it run auto* then?
08:58 < emte> it seems t2 does it by default
08:59 < sepp> no
09:00 < sepp> i see no tslib package
09:00 < emte> that is because i am building it
09:01 < emte> no one has yet
09:01 < sepp> url ?
09:03 < emte> for which?
09:03 < emte> tslib?
09:03 < emte> [D] X tslib-1.0.tar.bz2 http://download2.berlios.de/tslib/tslib-1.0.tar.bz2
09:06 < sepp> i see, it runs auto* because there is no configscript nor an makefile in tslib
09:06 < emte> there are in mine
09:07 < sepp> not the one from the url you pasted
09:08 < emte> well that will cause a future issue then
09:16 < sepp> it has to run auto* because there is no configure/makefile - so disabling it will not work
09:17 < emte> yeah i see that now
09:17 < sepp> :)
09:17 < emte> copying in pregnerated files now
09:17 < emte> pregenerated*
09:17 < emte> well ... trying to figure out how
09:29 < rxr> re
09:29 < sepp> hi rxr
09:30 < emte> well its messy but it seems to work ...
09:33 < emte> nope thats an uglier issue
09:37 < rxr> emte: what problem do you hunt ?
09:37 < emte> autotools incompatability
09:38 < emte> and my own stupidity that sepp pointed out
09:40 < emte> makefile 1.6 whee
09:44 < emte> hmm
09:44 < emte> bbiab
09:46 < CIA-9> rene * r20875 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.desc: * updated openldap (2.3.29 -> 2.3.30)
09:46 < CIA-9> rene * r20876 /trunk/package/www/links/links.desc: * updated links (2.1pre23 -> 2.1pre24)
09:47 < CIA-9> rene * r20877 /trunk/package/base/lvm2/lvm2.desc: * updated lvm2 (2.02.12 -> 2.02.14)
10:04 < CIA-9> rene * r20878 /trunk/package/x11/x11vnc/x11vnc.desc: * updated x11vnc (0.8.2 -> 0.8.3)
10:05 < CIA-9> rene * r20879 /trunk/package/network/avahi/avahi.desc: * updated avahi (0.6.14 -> 0.6.15)
10:05 < CIA-9> ragnar * r20880 /trunk/package/network/rt2400/ (7 files): * add the drivers for the areca raid controllers
10:05 < _Ragnar_> rxr: can you check 20880? :)
10:06 < _Ragnar_> see it I done it right
10:06 < _Ragnar_> if*
10:06 < _Ragnar_> o_O wait o_O
10:07 < _Ragnar_> eeps
10:07 < sepp> hi _Ragnar_
10:07 < _Ragnar_> hey sepp
10:07 < _Ragnar_> duh stupid svn
10:09 < _Ragnar_> how do I revert that?
10:15 < CIA-9> susan * r20881 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk-engines/gtk-engines.desc: * updated gtk-engines (2.8.1 -> 2.8.2)
10:15 < CIA-9> susan * r20882 /trunk/package/gnome2/nautilus-eiciel/nautilus-eiciel.desc: * updated nautilus-eiciel (0.9.2 -> 0.9.4)
10:15 < CIA-9> susan * r20883 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (2.16.2 -> 2.16.3)
10:15 < CIA-9> ragnar * r20884 /trunk/package/base/areca/ (8 files): * added the areca sata raid controller drivers
10:20 < CIA-9> ragnar * r20885 /trunk/package/network/rt2400/ (5 files): * revert my own foobar
10:22 < CIA-9> ragnar * r20886 /trunk/package/network/rt2400/ (pkg_linux26_pre.conf pkg_linux26mm_pre.conf): * and again >.< sorry folks
10:22 < CIA-9> rene * r20887 /trunk/package/filesystem/coda/coda.desc:
10:22 < CIA-9> * updated coda (6.0.15 -> 6.1.2), including: lwp (2.2 -> 2.3),
10:22 < CIA-9> rvm (1.12 -> 1.13) and rpc2 (2.0 -> 2.4)
10:25 < CIA-9> rene * r20888 /trunk/package/develop/swig/swig.desc: * updated swig (1.3.29 -> 1.3.30)
10:35 < CIA-9> rene * r20889 /trunk/package/ (x11/compiz/ x11-ng/ xorg/xserver/):
10:35 < CIA-9> * moved the only two packages from x11-ng to xorg and x11
10:35 < CIA-9> (luminocity will become compiz)
10:51 < CIA-9> rene * r20890 /trunk/package/x11/compiz/ (6 files): * added compiz (0.3.2)
10:53 < CIA-9> rene * r20891 /trunk/package/ (x11/compiz/ xorg/compiz/): * moved x11/compiz into xorg/compiz
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11:35 < rxr> /names
11:36 [Users #t2]
11:36 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ kensai] [ psycodad] [ Stelz ]
11:36 [ _Ragnar_] [ emte ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
11:36 [ capey ] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ shevegen] [ zod ]
11:36 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
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11:37 < rxr> moin sepp
11:38 < sepp> hi rxr :)
11:39 < sepp> my box just entered winter sleep mode :/
11:48 < rxr> hm ?
11:49 < rxr> you mean defect ?
11:49 < sepp> just frozen
11:52 < rxr> ah
12:01 < sepp> somehow postgres managed to freeze everything, at least that was the last thing eating most cpu cycles
12:13 < rxr> valentin: we should get a PS3 ASAP to adapt T2 to it
12:14 < rxr> ouh - damn, there even is a Gentoo overlay for it already :-)(
12:14 < sepp> good luck, even if you will not get one
12:16 < rxr> "Sony verbietet jedoch den direkten Zugriff auf den Grafik-Prozessor, sondern erlaubt lediglich, in den Framebuffer zu schreiben. Eine Hardware-Beschleunigung ist weder in 2D, 3D noch für OpenGL möglich, was grafisch ansprechende Spiele auf der Linux-Oberfläche verhindert. Andere Anwendungen wie OpenOffice, Internetbrowser oder E-Mail-Clients laufen aber ohne weiteres, soweit sie mit den 256 MByte Hauptspeicher der Playstation 3 auskommen."
12:16 < rxr> ^- ok - there the deam died ...
12:16 < rxr> ^- http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/81254
12:19 < sepp> if you would have one you could sell it for $9000
12:19 < sepp> rotfl
12:21 < rxr> I rather stay with my dual-core G5
12:21 < sepp> http://news.com.com/2061-10797_3-6136623.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-5&subj=news
12:21 < rxr> although it has a NVidia PCIe card it at least has 2D and XVideo acceleration
12:22 < rxr> (while I still wait for the nouveau to deliver the first buildable bits)
12:22 < rxr> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
12:25 < rxr> http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=nouveau/xf86-video-nouveau.git;a=shortlog
12:26 < sepp> that is based on the open driver nvidia released years ago?
12:29 < rxr> yes, as in XFree3 times we had 3d acceleration for the Riva* cards
12:29 < rxr> just noone ported this over to XFree4 DRM/DRI ... :.(((
12:29 < rxr> finally someoen does
12:30 < rxr> and they reverse engineer the Geforce bits ...
12:30 < rxr> the above is the repository for the modified nv x driver with the new 3D bits
12:30 < rxr> (and EXA acceleration it appears)
12:31 < sepp> good luck reverse engineering a 4mb x86 blob
12:31 < rxr> I did not test it yet, especially as most low-level work is quite little endian centric and crahs & burns on big-endian machines - thus I let it settle it down until I try it on my PPC boxes
12:31 < rxr> (the only ones with NV cards as on boxes I have the choice I avoid them like the plague)
12:31 < rxr> sepp: I guess they mostly trace the i/o
12:32 < rxr> and then trow some tine GL fragments into the driver and log what i/o is done
12:32 < sepp> ;)
12:32 < rxr> with well defined tiny GL fragments you get quite well-defined tiny i/o chunks back
12:32 < rxr> also companies usually do not do something from scratch - I guess the Riva source is a help even though some stuff change in the Geforce ones and new features got adde d...
12:34 < CIA-9> rene * r20894 /trunk/package/graphic/gliv/ (. gliv.cache gliv.desc): * added gliv (1.9.6) - An OpenGL image viewer
12:36 < sepp> sure, i would also write on the website that i don't even know that a binary driver exists :)
12:37 < sepp> if they would have one
12:44 < capey> damm, we should get meta package or so.... for kde that includes all the kde packages that are needed to get base setup of it
12:44 < capey> gnome,etc...
12:49 < sepp> gnome-basic gnome-normal and gnome-fat ?
12:50 < sepp> and kde and ...
12:53 < rxr> well, for kde this quie easy, qt, arts, kdelibs, kdebase
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13:15 < rxr> sepp: do you still use memo-seins target a-like to build t2 ?
13:15 < rxr> sepp: or did you just created a static target matching your goals ?
13:18 < sepp> i created my own, but i have not actually installed/tested it
13:18 < sepp> but in the end the pkgs are the same
13:19 < rxr> so no dynamic building blocks anymore I guess?
13:19 < rxr> otherwise capey could have used it for the gnome pkg ist ...
13:19 < rxr> list
13:19 < rxr> sepp: do you wanna commit your target to trunk ?
13:19 < sepp> no, just some sed on the old packages file
13:20 < sepp> and some comments
13:20 < sepp> i guess i should test it 1st :)
13:21 < CIA-9> rene * r20895 /trunk/package/xorg/glproto/glproto.desc: * updated glproto (1.4.7 -> 1.4.8)
13:21 < sepp> need to buy a new laptop, i used this to test install things, did not matter if something was not working for 1 day
13:24 < sepp> if someone knows a good 12" laptop where acpi works (no 5kg brick) ...
13:25 < rxr> my Turion64 MegaBook from MSI ?
13:25 < rxr> it is for sale anyway - just did not placed it on ebay yet
13:25 < sepp> let me google :)
13:25 < rxr> MSI MegaBook s270
13:26 < rxr> it has a 1.6 GHz Turion64 MT (the more power efficient one) and RAM extended to 1.2GB and the Improcom miniPCI wlan replaced with a Intel ipw2200 so it works with a GPL driver
13:26 < rxr> the LCD display is better than the Mac Book one ...
13:27 < rxr> less angle dependant and higher contrast
13:28 < sepp> and acpi works without voodoo and maybe even wakes up most of the time?
13:29 < rxr> in former times suspend to RAM worked like a charme
13:29 < rxr> with latest t2 test installs it does not wake up
13:29 < rxr> but I have not check why - maybe just due defaulting to SMP, thus a single CPU kernel would just work or so
13:29 < rxr> but with 2.6.16 or so suspend to RAM with the desktop t2 target's default kernel was rock solid
13:30 < sepp> :-)
13:31 < rxr> it weights just 2kg ...
13:32 < CIA-9> rene * r20896 /trunk/package/develop/nwcc/nwcc.desc: * updated nwcc (0.6.5-20061014 -> 0.6.6)
13:32 < rxr> ^- compiles minised now! and the binary even passes all testsuite checks
13:33 < rxr> and it gives marks in error messages:
13:33 < rxr> static Block aempty = {&aempty, &aempty, aempty.cell, aempty.cell};
13:33 < rxr> ^ here
13:39 < CIA-9> rene * r20897 /trunk/package/develop/nwcc/nwcc.desc: * updated the nwcc.desc, likewise
13:40 < sepp> well, that sounds ok, but i guess you better sell it on ebay, ppl pay way to high ammounts of money for used hardware there
13:41 < rxr> yeah - but only for well-known hardware
13:42 < sepp> not for msi laptops?
13:46 < sepp> the few times i sold some old hardware at ebay i thought they are really nuts for paying that much
13:46 < rxr> lol
13:46 < rxr> yeah - I also wait for a even eaper new Octane2
13:47 < rxr> and of course the Sgi Tezro
13:47 < rxr> as soon as I spot one at ebay I fear I will also pay too much
13:47 < rxr> (as right now there was not a single Sgi Tezro on ebay :-()
13:47 < sepp> hehehe
13:49 < sepp> soon you will find them only in a museum
13:49 < sepp> :)
13:49 < rxr> the Terzo is new
13:49 < rxr> sold until recently
13:49 < rxr> 600MHz MIPS, faster than the Octane
13:49 < sepp> i know
13:50 < rxr> http://www.google.com/search?q=sgi+tezro&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
13:50 < sepp> but i would rather buy a car or something
13:50 < CIA-9> rene * r20898 /trunk/package/xorg/libxau/libxau.desc: * updated libxau (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
13:50 < rxr> sepp: lol
13:50 < CIA-9> rene * r20899 /trunk/package/xorg/libxdmcp/libxdmcp.desc: * updated libxdmcp (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
13:50 < sepp> sgi only software is also gone
13:51 < rxr> yeah - oldtimers are also expensive ...
13:51 < rxr> oldtimers in the car world
13:51 < rxr> sepp: sgi only software? of course T2 on the Tezro ...
13:51 < rxr> the gfx card rocks ... - it does GL in hardware - that is unlike registers you dump real GL into the card ...
13:51 < rxr> the VPro ones ...
13:52 < sepp> all the cg software like maya and piranah etc
13:52 < CIA-9> rene * r20900 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-tseng/xf86-video-tseng.desc: * updated xf86-video-tseng (1.1.0 -> 1.1.1)
13:52 < CIA-9> rene * r20901 /trunk/package/xorg/libxi/libxi.desc: * updated libxi (1.0.2 -> 1.1.0)
13:54 < CIA-9> rene * r20902 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/pkg_xorg-server_post.conf:
13:54 < CIA-9> * improved mesa's xorg-server extension to match the directory
13:54 < CIA-9> name from the extracted tarball, rather than relying on an
13:54 < CIA-9> educated guess
13:55 < sepp> i mean the $40.000 software that was sgi only for many years
13:57 < rxr> yeah
13:57 < rxr> I do not care about that - just about decent MIPS hardware for T2 MIPS* support :-);2~
13:59 < sepp> modern pocket calculators or routers with mips are not 30kg heavy *eg*
14:00 < rxr> yeah - those Quad Core Broadcom boards are even equally uneasy to get ...
14:00 < sepp> my router has one and i got it for 40 euros :)
14:00 < rxr> but a 1GHz Quad Core MIPS64 from Broadcom would definetly rock
14:00 < rxr> your router has not that peripherals
14:01 < sepp> not quad core ...
14:01 < rxr> such as a GL in hardware board, 8 channel ATRAC digital i/o and so on :-)
14:01 < rxr> and most probably is not 64bit and just clocked at a few hundred MHz
14:02 < sepp> sure
14:02 < rxr> this damn upcomming x server really does not wanna build here ..
14:02 < rxr> even with the Sgi Octane under my desk people visiting the office are buffled with "Woah - you got a Sgi here?" :-)
14:03 < sepp> :)
14:04 < rxr> and even better it already runs T2/Linux :-)
14:04 < rxr> (just not often - the fans are so onisy ...)
14:04 < rxr> noisy ...
14:05 < rxr> definetly a pro for your router .-)
14:05 < rxr> (not to mention the noisy aging SCSI discs ...)
14:11 < sepp> thanks, i have already enough noise here
14:11 < sepp> :)
14:12 < rxr> yeah
14:13 < rxr> in contrast to the lovely former PPC stuff from Apple those el-cheapo x86 Mac clones are also more noisy
14:18 < CIA-9> rene * r20903 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/ (xorg-server.conf xorg-server.desc):
14:18 < CIA-9> * updated xorg-server (1.1.1 -> 1.2.99.0), disabled xprint for now
14:18 < CIA-9> (seldom used and does not build right now)
14:39 < rxr> lunch - cu later
14:49 < Stelz> cu rxr
16:26 < rxr> re
17:16 < CIA-9> rene * r20904 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-newport/xf86-video-newport.desc: * marked xf86-video-newport mips/mips64 only
17:18 < CIA-9> rene * r20905 /trunk/package/audio/portaudio/ (. portaudio.cache portaudio.desc): * added portaudio (v19) - A portable cross-platform Audio API
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17:18 < rxr> yes - I'm in commit mood :-)
17:18 < CIA-9> rene * r20906 /trunk/package/text2speech/espeak/ (. espeak.cache espeak.conf espeak.desc): * added espeak (1.17) - A compact multilingual text to speech synthesis engine
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17:39 < CIA-9> rene * r20907 /trunk/package/develop/platinum/ (. platinum.cache platinum.conf platinum.desc): * added platinum (r178) - A portable C++ application support framework
17:43 < rxr> now if amaya would build yet my MacBook WC would be mostly flushed by now ...
17:47 < capey> hmm, theres something wrong when selecting init. when runit selected. sysvinit is on build list and files conflict with these two packages
17:48 < rxr> capey: you selected runit in the "init configuration" ?
17:48 < capey> rxr, yep. but falling back to sysvinit
17:48 < rxr> grep CFG_INIT config/default/config
17:51 < capey> export SDECFG_INIT='runit'
17:51 < capey> export SDECFG_INIT_STYLE='sysv_nice'
17:53 < rxr> hm you are sure you did not select sysvinit then ?
17:53 < rxr> you build a custom target or something predefined ?
17:53 < capey> custom
17:53 < rxr> and you use pkgsel-style package selection ?
17:54 < capey> yep, this is derived from desktop. this is just for testing....
17:56 < CIA-9> rene * r20908 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/parse-config:
17:56 < CIA-9> * fixed xorg-server/parse-config to inject the X11R6 -> X11
17:56 < CIA-9> translation in a way not conflicting with package -I
17:56 < CIA-9> include dirs
17:58 < CIA-9> rene * r20909 /trunk/package/x11/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
17:58 < CIA-9> * updated mesa (6.5 -> 2006-11-18) (snapshot needed for latest xorg-server)
17:58 < CIA-9> * updated mesa-demos (6.5 -> 6.5.1)
17:59 < rxr> capey: and very sure nothing sysvinit alike is in the pkgsel ?
17:59 < rxr> capey: otherwise I do not have much ideas how it could make it into your package list
18:05 < CIA-9> rene * r20910 /trunk/package/fonts/dejavu-ttf-fonts/dejavu-ttf-fonts.desc: * updated dejavu-ttf-fonts (2.11 -> 2.12)
18:09 < capey> no worries, this is just for testing target. so i just disabled runit and continued the build.
18:10 < capey> i'll look at it at later time. if this target is going to be released by me.
18:21 < CIA-9> rene * r20911 /trunk/package/xorg/libdrm/libdrm.desc: * updated libdrm (2.2.0 -> 2.3.0)
18:25 < CIA-9> rene * r20912 /trunk/package/xorg/compiz/compiz.desc: * fixed compiz to include the correct modular-x-conf.in
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19:22 < CIA-9> rene * r20913 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.desc: * downdated xorg-server (1.2.99.0 -> 1.1.99.902), picked the wrong prerelease, sorry
19:30 < CIA-9> rene * r20914 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/ (compile.patch mesa.desc):
19:30 < CIA-9> * downdated mesa (2006-11-18 -> 6.5.1), the snapshot is not necessary
19:30 < CIA-9> for the RC I wanted to pick
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20:46 < rxr> hi pamdirac
20:46 [Users #t2]
20:46 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz ]
20:46 [ _Ragnar_] [ emte ] [ pamdirac] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
20:46 [ capey ] [ LMJ ] [ psycodad] [ shevegen] [ zod ]
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20:47 < pamdirac> hi rxr
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20:49 < misl> hi folks
20:50 < Stelz> rehi pamdirac, misl
20:50 < misl> hi Stelz :-)
20:56 < CIA-9> rene * r20915 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.conf: * tiny xorg-server.conf polishing while reviewing due bug hunting
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21:20 < rxr> so - n8 all
21:21 < misl> sleep well rxr
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00:16 < emte> hmm
00:16 < emte> nope
00:16 < emte> autogen=1 does nothing as well
00:16 < emte> there has to be someway to disable autogen/autoreconf
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02:02 < pamdirac> notte
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08:20 < emte> moo
08:26 < emte> this comment makes no sense
08:26 < emte> # if the included autogen fails set autogen=1 to use our own ones
08:26 < emte> the included autogen will only fail if the host autotool mismatch
08:26 < emte> autotools*
08:34 * emte grumbles
08:34 < emte> something must be broken
08:43 < sepp> quack
08:43 < emte> hey
08:44 < emte> solve my problem for me
08:44 < sepp> :-)
08:44 < sepp> i am not awake
08:45 < sepp> send mail to the list :)
08:45 < emte> even setting autogen=0 and custmain="" i cant stop it from running the autogen/autoreconf scripts
08:47 < sepp> what runs autogen?
08:47 < emte> ots run by default apperently
08:47 < emte> its*
08:49 < emte> aha
08:49 < emte> mainfunction="" disabled everything
08:49 < emte> thats good
08:50 < sepp> something from tslib runs outgocrap i guess and not some t2 script?
08:50 < sepp> auto*
08:50 < emte> nope
08:51 < emte> my issue is really an autotool incompatability, disabling autogen is a workaround
08:53 < emte> i doubt kergoth has any plans soon to update to a relativly recent autotools
08:56 < emte> does this look like it runs autogen no matter what you set it to? if [ -n "$( type -p $configscript )" -o $autogen = 1 ]
08:56 < emte> thats from runconf
08:56 < sepp> it has no configure script?
08:56 < emte> who?
08:57 < sepp> tslib
08:57 < emte> tslib has the full setup ... maybe i should just patch out the .in files so it cant regen ....
08:57 < emte> hmm ... thats worth a try
08:58 < sepp> and it has a makefile?
08:58 < emte> yup
08:58 < sepp> why does it run auto* then?
08:58 < emte> it seems t2 does it by default
08:59 < sepp> no
09:00 < sepp> i see no tslib package
09:00 < emte> that is because i am building it
09:01 < emte> no one has yet
09:01 < sepp> url ?
09:03 < emte> for which?
09:03 < emte> tslib?
09:03 < emte> [D] X tslib-1.0.tar.bz2 http://download2.berlios.de/tslib/tslib-1.0.tar.bz2
09:06 < sepp> i see, it runs auto* because there is no configscript nor an makefile in tslib
09:06 < emte> there are in mine
09:07 < sepp> not the one from the url you pasted
09:08 < emte> well that will cause a future issue then
09:16 < sepp> it has to run auto* because there is no configure/makefile - so disabling it will not work
09:17 < emte> yeah i see that now
09:17 < sepp> :)
09:17 < emte> copying in pregnerated files now
09:17 < emte> pregenerated*
09:17 < emte> well ... trying to figure out how
09:29 < rxr> re
09:29 < sepp> hi rxr
09:30 < emte> well its messy but it seems to work ...
09:33 < emte> nope thats an uglier issue
09:37 < rxr> emte: what problem do you hunt ?
09:37 < emte> autotools incompatability
09:38 < emte> and my own stupidity that sepp pointed out
09:40 < emte> makefile 1.6 whee
09:44 < emte> hmm
09:44 < emte> bbiab
09:46 < CIA-9> rene * r20875 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.desc: * updated openldap (2.3.29 -> 2.3.30)
09:46 < CIA-9> rene * r20876 /trunk/package/www/links/links.desc: * updated links (2.1pre23 -> 2.1pre24)
09:47 < CIA-9> rene * r20877 /trunk/package/base/lvm2/lvm2.desc: * updated lvm2 (2.02.12 -> 2.02.14)
10:04 < CIA-9> rene * r20878 /trunk/package/x11/x11vnc/x11vnc.desc: * updated x11vnc (0.8.2 -> 0.8.3)
10:05 < CIA-9> rene * r20879 /trunk/package/network/avahi/avahi.desc: * updated avahi (0.6.14 -> 0.6.15)
10:05 < CIA-9> ragnar * r20880 /trunk/package/network/rt2400/ (7 files): * add the drivers for the areca raid controllers
10:05 < _Ragnar_> rxr: can you check 20880? :)
10:06 < _Ragnar_> see it I done it right
10:06 < _Ragnar_> if*
10:06 < _Ragnar_> o_O wait o_O
10:07 < _Ragnar_> eeps
10:07 < sepp> hi _Ragnar_
10:07 < _Ragnar_> hey sepp
10:07 < _Ragnar_> duh stupid svn
10:09 < _Ragnar_> how do I revert that?
10:15 < CIA-9> susan * r20881 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk-engines/gtk-engines.desc: * updated gtk-engines (2.8.1 -> 2.8.2)
10:15 < CIA-9> susan * r20882 /trunk/package/gnome2/nautilus-eiciel/nautilus-eiciel.desc: * updated nautilus-eiciel (0.9.2 -> 0.9.4)
10:15 < CIA-9> susan * r20883 /trunk/package/gnome2/totem/totem.desc: * updated totem (2.16.2 -> 2.16.3)
10:15 < CIA-9> ragnar * r20884 /trunk/package/base/areca/ (8 files): * added the areca sata raid controller drivers
10:20 < CIA-9> ragnar * r20885 /trunk/package/network/rt2400/ (5 files): * revert my own foobar
10:22 < CIA-9> ragnar * r20886 /trunk/package/network/rt2400/ (pkg_linux26_pre.conf pkg_linux26mm_pre.conf): * and again >.< sorry folks
10:22 < CIA-9> rene * r20887 /trunk/package/filesystem/coda/coda.desc:
10:22 < CIA-9> * updated coda (6.0.15 -> 6.1.2), including: lwp (2.2 -> 2.3),
10:22 < CIA-9> rvm (1.12 -> 1.13) and rpc2 (2.0 -> 2.4)
10:25 < CIA-9> rene * r20888 /trunk/package/develop/swig/swig.desc: * updated swig (1.3.29 -> 1.3.30)
10:35 < CIA-9> rene * r20889 /trunk/package/ (x11/compiz/ x11-ng/ xorg/xserver/):
10:35 < CIA-9> * moved the only two packages from x11-ng to xorg and x11
10:35 < CIA-9> (luminocity will become compiz)
10:51 < CIA-9> rene * r20890 /trunk/package/x11/compiz/ (6 files): * added compiz (0.3.2)
10:53 < CIA-9> rene * r20891 /trunk/package/ (x11/compiz/ xorg/compiz/): * moved x11/compiz into xorg/compiz
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11:35 < rxr> /names
11:36 [Users #t2]
11:36 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ kensai] [ psycodad] [ Stelz ]
11:36 [ _Ragnar_] [ emte ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
11:36 [ capey ] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ shevegen] [ zod ]
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11:37 < rxr> moin sepp
11:38 < sepp> hi rxr :)
11:39 < sepp> my box just entered winter sleep mode :/
11:48 < rxr> hm ?
11:49 < rxr> you mean defect ?
11:49 < sepp> just frozen
11:52 < rxr> ah
12:01 < sepp> somehow postgres managed to freeze everything, at least that was the last thing eating most cpu cycles
12:13 < rxr> valentin: we should get a PS3 ASAP to adapt T2 to it
12:14 < rxr> ouh - damn, there even is a Gentoo overlay for it already :-)(
12:14 < sepp> good luck, even if you will not get one
12:16 < rxr> "Sony verbietet jedoch den direkten Zugriff auf den Grafik-Prozessor, sondern erlaubt lediglich, in den Framebuffer zu schreiben. Eine Hardware-Beschleunigung ist weder in 2D, 3D noch für OpenGL möglich, was grafisch ansprechende Spiele auf der Linux-Oberfläche verhindert. Andere Anwendungen wie OpenOffice, Internetbrowser oder E-Mail-Clients laufen aber ohne weiteres, soweit sie mit den 256 MByte Hauptspeicher der Playstation 3 auskommen."
12:16 < rxr> ^- ok - there the deam died ...
12:16 < rxr> ^- http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/81254
12:19 < sepp> if you would have one you could sell it for $9000
12:19 < sepp> rotfl
12:21 < rxr> I rather stay with my dual-core G5
12:21 < sepp> http://news.com.com/2061-10797_3-6136623.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-5&subj=news
12:21 < rxr> although it has a NVidia PCIe card it at least has 2D and XVideo acceleration
12:22 < rxr> (while I still wait for the nouveau to deliver the first buildable bits)
12:22 < rxr> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
12:25 < rxr> http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=nouveau/xf86-video-nouveau.git;a=shortlog
12:26 < sepp> that is based on the open driver nvidia released years ago?
12:29 < rxr> yes, as in XFree3 times we had 3d acceleration for the Riva* cards
12:29 < rxr> just noone ported this over to XFree4 DRM/DRI ... :.(((
12:29 < rxr> finally someoen does
12:30 < rxr> and they reverse engineer the Geforce bits ...
12:30 < rxr> the above is the repository for the modified nv x driver with the new 3D bits
12:30 < rxr> (and EXA acceleration it appears)
12:31 < sepp> good luck reverse engineering a 4mb x86 blob
12:31 < rxr> I did not test it yet, especially as most low-level work is quite little endian centric and crahs & burns on big-endian machines - thus I let it settle it down until I try it on my PPC boxes
12:31 < rxr> (the only ones with NV cards as on boxes I have the choice I avoid them like the plague)
12:31 < rxr> sepp: I guess they mostly trace the i/o
12:32 < rxr> and then trow some tine GL fragments into the driver and log what i/o is done
12:32 < sepp> ;)
12:32 < rxr> with well defined tiny GL fragments you get quite well-defined tiny i/o chunks back
12:32 < rxr> also companies usually do not do something from scratch - I guess the Riva source is a help even though some stuff change in the Geforce ones and new features got adde d...
12:34 < CIA-9> rene * r20894 /trunk/package/graphic/gliv/ (. gliv.cache gliv.desc): * added gliv (1.9.6) - An OpenGL image viewer
12:36 < sepp> sure, i would also write on the website that i don't even know that a binary driver exists :)
12:37 < sepp> if they would have one
12:44 < capey> damm, we should get meta package or so.... for kde that includes all the kde packages that are needed to get base setup of it
12:44 < capey> gnome,etc...
12:49 < sepp> gnome-basic gnome-normal and gnome-fat ?
12:50 < sepp> and kde and ...
12:53 < rxr> well, for kde this quie easy, qt, arts, kdelibs, kdebase
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13:15 < rxr> sepp: do you still use memo-seins target a-like to build t2 ?
13:15 < rxr> sepp: or did you just created a static target matching your goals ?
13:18 < sepp> i created my own, but i have not actually installed/tested it
13:18 < sepp> but in the end the pkgs are the same
13:19 < rxr> so no dynamic building blocks anymore I guess?
13:19 < rxr> otherwise capey could have used it for the gnome pkg ist ...
13:19 < rxr> list
13:19 < rxr> sepp: do you wanna commit your target to trunk ?
13:19 < sepp> no, just some sed on the old packages file
13:20 < sepp> and some comments
13:20 < sepp> i guess i should test it 1st :)
13:21 < CIA-9> rene * r20895 /trunk/package/xorg/glproto/glproto.desc: * updated glproto (1.4.7 -> 1.4.8)
13:21 < sepp> need to buy a new laptop, i used this to test install things, did not matter if something was not working for 1 day
13:24 < sepp> if someone knows a good 12" laptop where acpi works (no 5kg brick) ...
13:25 < rxr> my Turion64 MegaBook from MSI ?
13:25 < rxr> it is for sale anyway - just did not placed it on ebay yet
13:25 < sepp> let me google :)
13:25 < rxr> MSI MegaBook s270
13:26 < rxr> it has a 1.6 GHz Turion64 MT (the more power efficient one) and RAM extended to 1.2GB and the Improcom miniPCI wlan replaced with a Intel ipw2200 so it works with a GPL driver
13:26 < rxr> the LCD display is better than the Mac Book one ...
13:27 < rxr> less angle dependant and higher contrast
13:28 < sepp> and acpi works without voodoo and maybe even wakes up most of the time?
13:29 < rxr> in former times suspend to RAM worked like a charme
13:29 < rxr> with latest t2 test installs it does not wake up
13:29 < rxr> but I have not check why - maybe just due defaulting to SMP, thus a single CPU kernel would just work or so
13:29 < rxr> but with 2.6.16 or so suspend to RAM with the desktop t2 target's default kernel was rock solid
13:30 < sepp> :-)
13:31 < rxr> it weights just 2kg ...
13:32 < CIA-9> rene * r20896 /trunk/package/develop/nwcc/nwcc.desc: * updated nwcc (0.6.5-20061014 -> 0.6.6)
13:32 < rxr> ^- compiles minised now! and the binary even passes all testsuite checks
13:33 < rxr> and it gives marks in error messages:
13:33 < rxr> static Block aempty = {&aempty, &aempty, aempty.cell, aempty.cell};
13:33 < rxr> ^ here
13:39 < CIA-9> rene * r20897 /trunk/package/develop/nwcc/nwcc.desc: * updated the nwcc.desc, likewise
13:40 < sepp> well, that sounds ok, but i guess you better sell it on ebay, ppl pay way to high ammounts of money for used hardware there
13:41 < rxr> yeah - but only for well-known hardware
13:42 < sepp> not for msi laptops?
13:46 < sepp> the few times i sold some old hardware at ebay i thought they are really nuts for paying that much
13:46 < rxr> lol
13:46 < rxr> yeah - I also wait for a even eaper new Octane2
13:47 < rxr> and of course the Sgi Tezro
13:47 < rxr> as soon as I spot one at ebay I fear I will also pay too much
13:47 < rxr> (as right now there was not a single Sgi Tezro on ebay :-()
13:47 < sepp> hehehe
13:49 < sepp> soon you will find them only in a museum
13:49 < sepp> :)
13:49 < rxr> the Terzo is new
13:49 < rxr> sold until recently
13:49 < rxr> 600MHz MIPS, faster than the Octane
13:49 < sepp> i know
13:50 < rxr> http://www.google.com/search?q=sgi+tezro&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
13:50 < sepp> but i would rather buy a car or something
13:50 < CIA-9> rene * r20898 /trunk/package/xorg/libxau/libxau.desc: * updated libxau (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
13:50 < rxr> sepp: lol
13:50 < CIA-9> rene * r20899 /trunk/package/xorg/libxdmcp/libxdmcp.desc: * updated libxdmcp (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2)
13:50 < sepp> sgi only software is also gone
13:51 < rxr> yeah - oldtimers are also expensive ...
13:51 < rxr> oldtimers in the car world
13:51 < rxr> sepp: sgi only software? of course T2 on the Tezro ...
13:51 < rxr> the gfx card rocks ... - it does GL in hardware - that is unlike registers you dump real GL into the card ...
13:51 < rxr> the VPro ones ...
13:52 < sepp> all the cg software like maya and piranah etc
13:52 < CIA-9> rene * r20900 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-tseng/xf86-video-tseng.desc: * updated xf86-video-tseng (1.1.0 -> 1.1.1)
13:52 < CIA-9> rene * r20901 /trunk/package/xorg/libxi/libxi.desc: * updated libxi (1.0.2 -> 1.1.0)
13:54 < CIA-9> rene * r20902 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/pkg_xorg-server_post.conf:
13:54 < CIA-9> * improved mesa's xorg-server extension to match the directory
13:54 < CIA-9> name from the extracted tarball, rather than relying on an
13:54 < CIA-9> educated guess
13:55 < sepp> i mean the $40.000 software that was sgi only for many years
13:57 < rxr> yeah
13:57 < rxr> I do not care about that - just about decent MIPS hardware for T2 MIPS* support :-);2~
13:59 < sepp> modern pocket calculators or routers with mips are not 30kg heavy *eg*
14:00 < rxr> yeah - those Quad Core Broadcom boards are even equally uneasy to get ...
14:00 < sepp> my router has one and i got it for 40 euros :)
14:00 < rxr> but a 1GHz Quad Core MIPS64 from Broadcom would definetly rock
14:00 < rxr> your router has not that peripherals
14:01 < sepp> not quad core ...
14:01 < rxr> such as a GL in hardware board, 8 channel ATRAC digital i/o and so on :-)
14:01 < rxr> and most probably is not 64bit and just clocked at a few hundred MHz
14:02 < sepp> sure
14:02 < rxr> this damn upcomming x server really does not wanna build here ..
14:02 < rxr> even with the Sgi Octane under my desk people visiting the office are buffled with "Woah - you got a Sgi here?" :-)
14:03 < sepp> :)
14:04 < rxr> and even better it already runs T2/Linux :-)
14:04 < rxr> (just not often - the fans are so onisy ...)
14:04 < rxr> noisy ...
14:05 < rxr> definetly a pro for your router .-)
14:05 < rxr> (not to mention the noisy aging SCSI discs ...)
14:11 < sepp> thanks, i have already enough noise here
14:11 < sepp> :)
14:12 < rxr> yeah
14:13 < rxr> in contrast to the lovely former PPC stuff from Apple those el-cheapo x86 Mac clones are also more noisy
14:18 < CIA-9> rene * r20903 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/ (xorg-server.conf xorg-server.desc):
14:18 < CIA-9> * updated xorg-server (1.1.1 -> 1.2.99.0), disabled xprint for now
14:18 < CIA-9> (seldom used and does not build right now)
14:39 < rxr> lunch - cu later
14:49 < Stelz> cu rxr
16:26 < rxr> re
17:16 < CIA-9> rene * r20904 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-newport/xf86-video-newport.desc: * marked xf86-video-newport mips/mips64 only
17:18 < CIA-9> rene * r20905 /trunk/package/audio/portaudio/ (. portaudio.cache portaudio.desc): * added portaudio (v19) - A portable cross-platform Audio API
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17:18 < rxr> yes - I'm in commit mood :-)
17:18 < CIA-9> rene * r20906 /trunk/package/text2speech/espeak/ (. espeak.cache espeak.conf espeak.desc): * added espeak (1.17) - A compact multilingual text to speech synthesis engine
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17:39 < CIA-9> rene * r20907 /trunk/package/develop/platinum/ (. platinum.cache platinum.conf platinum.desc): * added platinum (r178) - A portable C++ application support framework
17:43 < rxr> now if amaya would build yet my MacBook WC would be mostly flushed by now ...
17:47 < capey> hmm, theres something wrong when selecting init. when runit selected. sysvinit is on build list and files conflict with these two packages
17:48 < rxr> capey: you selected runit in the "init configuration" ?
17:48 < capey> rxr, yep. but falling back to sysvinit
17:48 < rxr> grep CFG_INIT config/default/config
17:51 < capey> export SDECFG_INIT='runit'
17:51 < capey> export SDECFG_INIT_STYLE='sysv_nice'
17:53 < rxr> hm you are sure you did not select sysvinit then ?
17:53 < rxr> you build a custom target or something predefined ?
17:53 < capey> custom
17:53 < rxr> and you use pkgsel-style package selection ?
17:54 < capey> yep, this is derived from desktop. this is just for testing....
17:56 < CIA-9> rene * r20908 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/parse-config:
17:56 < CIA-9> * fixed xorg-server/parse-config to inject the X11R6 -> X11
17:56 < CIA-9> translation in a way not conflicting with package -I
17:56 < CIA-9> include dirs
17:58 < CIA-9> rene * r20909 /trunk/package/x11/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
17:58 < CIA-9> * updated mesa (6.5 -> 2006-11-18) (snapshot needed for latest xorg-server)
17:58 < CIA-9> * updated mesa-demos (6.5 -> 6.5.1)
17:59 < rxr> capey: and very sure nothing sysvinit alike is in the pkgsel ?
17:59 < rxr> capey: otherwise I do not have much ideas how it could make it into your package list
18:05 < CIA-9> rene * r20910 /trunk/package/fonts/dejavu-ttf-fonts/dejavu-ttf-fonts.desc: * updated dejavu-ttf-fonts (2.11 -> 2.12)
18:09 < capey> no worries, this is just for testing target. so i just disabled runit and continued the build.
18:10 < capey> i'll look at it at later time. if this target is going to be released by me.
18:21 < CIA-9> rene * r20911 /trunk/package/xorg/libdrm/libdrm.desc: * updated libdrm (2.2.0 -> 2.3.0)
18:25 < CIA-9> rene * r20912 /trunk/package/xorg/compiz/compiz.desc: * fixed compiz to include the correct modular-x-conf.in
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19:22 < CIA-9> rene * r20913 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.desc: * downdated xorg-server (1.2.99.0 -> 1.1.99.902), picked the wrong prerelease, sorry
19:30 < CIA-9> rene * r20914 /trunk/package/x11/mesa/ (compile.patch mesa.desc):
19:30 < CIA-9> * downdated mesa (2006-11-18 -> 6.5.1), the snapshot is not necessary
19:30 < CIA-9> for the RC I wanted to pick
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20:46 < rxr> hi pamdirac
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20:46 [ capey ] [ LMJ ] [ psycodad] [ shevegen] [ zod ]
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20:47 < pamdirac> hi rxr
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20:49 < misl> hi folks
20:50 < Stelz> rehi pamdirac, misl
20:50 < misl> hi Stelz :-)
20:56 < CIA-9> rene * r20915 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.conf: * tiny xorg-server.conf polishing while reviewing due bug hunting
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21:20 < rxr> so - n8 all
21:21 < misl> sleep well rxr
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