T2 IRC Log: 2007-01-04

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--- Log opened Thu Jan 04 00:00:53 2007
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02:55 < jsaw> hi
03:00 < Stelz> hi jsaw
03:00 < Stelz> nice to cu
03:00 < Stelz> :)
03:00 < Stelz> and happy new year
03:00 < jsaw> hi Stelz
03:00 < jsaw> thanks, to you too!
03:18 < jsaw> Stelz: how's life?
03:18 < Stelz> uh, just fine.. thank you :) i think i'll go to bed soon
03:19 * Stelz :: Date/Time is now [ Thu Jan 4 05:19:00 ]
03:19 < Stelz> grgr
03:19 < jsaw> oh
03:19 < jsaw> 3:19 here (so I'll should look for the bed too...)
03:19 < Stelz> :)
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04:35 < jsaw> gn8
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07:38 < mtr> moin
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07:50 < Baldzius> moin
07:51 < mtr> hi Baldzius
07:52 < Baldzius> hi mtr :)
07:56 < CIA-9> aldas * r21702 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed/ (gpgme-update.patch.disabled sylpheed.conf sylpheed.desc):
07:56 < CIA-9> * updated sylpheed (2.2.10 -> 2.3.0)
07:56 < CIA-9> * removed gpgme-update.patch.disabled - obsolete
07:56 < CIA-9> * updated copyright notes
08:33 < rxr> re
08:33 < rxr> moin Baldzius
08:33 [Users #t2]
08:33 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
08:33 [ Baldzius] [ Demian] [ mtr ] [ sepp ]
08:33 [ Capey ] [ emte_ ] [ r4gnar0k] [ Stelz]
08:33 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
08:33 < Baldzius> hi rxr
08:36 < mtr> moin rxr
08:51 < rxr> moin mtr
08:54 < CIA-9> rene * r21703 /trunk/package/network/l7-filter/l7-filter.desc: * updated l7-filter/protocols (2006-12-12 -> 2007-01-03)
09:07 < CIA-9> rene * r21704 /trunk/target/share/livecd/init2:
09:07 < CIA-9> * fixed a livecd init syntax typo regression introduced in r21293 while
09:07 < CIA-9> improving the livecd init2 to properly fall into the debug shell
09:08 < CIA-9> rene * r21705 /trunk/target/share/livecd/init:
09:08 < CIA-9> * fixed the livecd init to properly free the loop device if the squashfs
09:08 < CIA-9> image was not found (so multiple loops of tries actually do work)
09:09 < CIA-9> rene * r21706 /trunk/package/xorg/libxaw/libxaw.desc: * updated libxaw (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3)
09:16 < CIA-9> aldas * r21707 /trunk/package/mail/postfix/ (postfix.conf postfix.desc postfix.init postsysfiles.in):
09:16 < CIA-9> * updated postfix (2.3.5 -> 2.3.6)
09:16 < CIA-9> * updated copyright notes
09:16 < CIA-9> rene * r21708 /trunk/package/network/lftp/lftp.desc: * updated lftp (3.5.7 -> 3.5.8)
09:21 < CIA-9> rene * r21709 /trunk/package/network/liferea/liferea.desc: * updated liferea (1.2.1 -> 1.2.2)
09:21 < rxr> Baldzius: it is soooo good that you are back online :-)))
09:21 < rxr> Baldzius: btw. squashfs update in my local queue already
09:21 < Baldzius> :)
09:22 < Baldzius> i have only webmin left
09:22 < CIA-9> rene * r21710 /trunk/package/filesystem/squashfs-tools/ (4 files): * updated squashfs-tools (3.1-r2 -> 3.2)
09:24 < rxr> btw. I can really not recomment JFS, it is stable compared to the crashy XFS, but degrades in performance with as many files T2 builds generate ...
09:25 < rxr> I guess I go back to reiser3, it performanc way better with milions of files in T2 sandbox directories
09:31 < Baldzius> me after reiser4 blow off decided to stick with ext3
09:31 < CIA-9> rene * r21711 /trunk/package/filesystem/squashfs-tools/ (linux-2.4.33.patch pkg_linux_pre.conf): * forward ported linux 2.4 support in squashfs (3.2 dropped 2.4 support)
09:32 < rxr> ext3 is way to slow for me ...
09:40 < r4gnar0k> moin
09:40 < r4gnar0k> what do you use now?
09:40 < CIA-9> rene * r21712 /trunk/package/text2speech/julius/ (. julius.cache julius.desc): * added julius (3.5.3) - A two-pass large vocabulary continuous speech recognition engine
09:41 < r4gnar0k> ah reiser3
09:41 < rxr> r4gnar0k: after testing XFS (which was crashy) and JFS (with was ok in the beginning but after 1 1/2 with T2 creating and wiping miliions of files it starts to slow down ...
09:41 < rxr> so I guess I go back to reiser3 ...
09:41 < rxr> never had any problem with it - just worried about long-term support and wanted to check the alternatives ...
09:42 < rxr> moin r4gnar0k
09:43 < r4gnar0k> moin moin
09:44 < r4gnar0k> I have problems with copying large amounts of stuff to reiser3, but that might also be the crappy ide
09:45 < rxr> hm
09:46 < rxr> ok - I once had a strange performance problem with Linux soft-RAID 5 to IDE devicse
09:46 < rxr> but on normal 2 year old production servers Reiser3 does good on IDE drives
09:46 < r4gnar0k> do you usually copy 200gig around? :)
09:48 < r4gnar0k> btw texinfo does bad stuff on a cross build: ..//info/makedoc: ..//info/makedoc: cannot execute binary file
09:48 < rxr> sometimes .-)
09:48 < rxr> yeah - that is new :-(
09:49 < rxr> also saw that yesterday
09:49 < rxr> that is a new regression - previously it did not do that
09:50 < r4gnar0k> yea
09:50 < CIA-9> rene * r21713 /trunk/package/filesystem/squashfs-tools/pkg_linux_pre.conf:
09:50 < CIA-9> * added kernel version translation for 2.5.12 (linux-header :-) to
09:50 < CIA-9> squashfs-tools/pkg_linux_pre.conf
09:50 < rxr> mtr: Downloading uclibc:download/mirror/u/uClibc-20061214.tar.bz2 ...
09:50 < rxr> ERROR: Found download/mirror/u/uClibc-20061214.tar.bz2.cksum-err.
09:51 < r4gnar0k> o_O
09:52 < rxr> yeah
09:52 < rxr> mtr: I renamed the file {.chksum-err,} for testing - regression build comparing with yesterdays uClibc running wit that rename ...
10:01 < mtr> oh, no idea why the checksum mismatches, my downloaded archive .tar.bz2 matches the .desc checksum :(
10:02 < mtr> 3656821437 42997760 download/mirror/u/uClibc-20061214.tar
10:05 < mtr> renamed the download file, and new download fails:
10:05 < mtr> Finished downloading 3690353 bytes in 16,677 seconds (221279,000 bytes/sec).
10:05 < mtr> cksum-test (bzip2): download/mirror/u/uClibc-20061214.tar.bz2
10:05 < mtr> Cksum ERROR: download/mirror/u/uClibc-20061214.tar.bz2.cksum-err (318861185)
10:05 < mtr> :(
10:06 < r4gnar0k> O_O
10:06 * mtr wonders what has changed in the archives ...
10:19 < rxr> err
10:19 < rxr> mtr: the "unmatching checksum" file results in this here:
10:19 < rxr> > lib/libm.a(s_lrint.os):s_lrint.c:(.text+0x0): first defined here
10:19 < rxr> !> i586-t2-linux-uclibc-ld: Warning: size of symbol `lrint' changed from 329 in lib/libm.a(s_lrint.os) to 17 in lib/libm.a ..
10:19 < rxr> !> lib/libm.a(lrintf.os): In function `lrintf':
10:19 < rxr> !> float_wrappers.c:(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `lrintf'
10:19 < rxr> !> lib/libm.a(lrint.os):lrint.c:(.text+0x11): first defined here
10:19 < rxr> !> i586-t2-linux-uclibc-ld: Warning: size of symbol `lrintf' changed from 17 in lib/libm.a(lrint.os) to 19 in lib/libm.a(l ..
10:19 < rxr> that is ordinary x86/i565+mmx
10:19 < rxr> what arch did you build for ?
10:20 < rxr> guess our libm-lrint.patch is obsolete, now ?
10:24 < mtr> obsolete for x86, depending on __CONFIG_GENERIC_386__
10:24 < rxr> but the file is in my archive I got from their site, now ...
10:25 < rxr> mtr: can you download the new file and diff ?
10:25 < rxr> or send me a copy of your on-disk file ?
10:25 < mtr> i've built for mips last time, and i didn't notice the now included lrint()
10:26 * mtr comparing the downloaded files ...
10:26 < rxr> do you get the checksum I posted for your new download as well ?
10:28 < rxr> btw. has anyone preferences for a non-gtk, non-qt file manager for x for my work-in-progress mimimal rescue live system that is intended to be less than 40MB in size ?
10:36 < mtr> both snapshot files definetely have different SVN timestamps:
10:36 < mtr> - prop-time="2006-12-14T08:10:28.000000Z"/>
10:37 < mtr> + prop-time="2006-12-15T02:12:55.000000Z"/>
10:37 < mtr> two changes are in include/stdio.h and libc/stdio/gets.c
10:39 < mtr> it seems to be a good idea to use last but one available svn snapshot file ;)
10:40 < rxr> looks so
10:41 < mtr> what about the lrint patch, extending the patch with a "&& ! defined(__CONFIG_GENERIC_386__)" ?
10:46 < mtr> +[D] 318861185 uClibc-20061214.tar.bz2 <-- same cksum as your download?
10:47 < rxr> mtr: sounds ok
10:48 < rxr> I wonder what minimal browser and file manager to place on the minimal rescue live T2 ...
10:48 < rxr> any votes ?
10:48 [Users #t2]
10:48 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
10:48 [ Baldzius] [ Demian] [ mtr ] [ sepp ]
10:48 [ Capey ] [ emte_ ] [ r4gnar0k] [ Stelz]
10:48 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
10:48 < rxr> links for now and later minimo ?
10:48 < rxr> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
10:56 < mtr> or some more time later firefox on DirectFB: http://www.directfb.org/wiki/index.php/DFBMozilla
10:57 < rxr> no, X will be awailable to use normal programs
10:57 < rxr> though a kdrive based mini X
11:02 < rxr> errr
11:02 < rxr> is that caused by the change in the header you mentioned before ?
11:02 < rxr> /home/rene/develop/t2-trunk/build/t-resc-7.0-trunk-rescue-x86-pentium-mmx/usr/include/bits/uClibc_stdio.h:346: error: expecte
11:02 < rxr> d initializer before 'attribute_hidden'
11:02 < rxr> /home/rene/develop/t2-trunk/build/t-resc-7.0-trunk-rescue-x86-pentium-mmx/usr/include/bits/uClibc_stdio.h:347: error: expecte
11:02 < rxr> d initializer before 'attribute_hidden'
11:02 < rxr> /home/rene/develop/t2-trunk/build/t-resc-7.0-trunk-rescue-x86-pentium-mmx/usr/include/bits/uClibc_stdio.h:361: error: expecte
11:02 < rxr> d initializer before 'attribute_hidden'
11:02 < rxr> that happens while building 1-gcc against the new uclibc
11:02 < rxr> worked before
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11:09 < mtr> here is the diff: http://rafb.net/p/JLGoLZ81.html
11:09 < CIA-9> aldas * r21714 /trunk/package/network/webmin/ (6 files):
11:09 < CIA-9> * updated webmin (1.300 -> 1.310)
11:09 < CIA-9> * updated copyright notes
11:12 < rxr> mtr: hm
11:12 < rxr> I'm checking with
11:12 < rxr> == 11:04:28 =[1]=> Building base/uclibc [20061213 7.0-trunk].
11:21 < rxr> same error
11:41 * mtr rebuilding my target now
11:41 < mtr> strange
12:07 < rxr> do you have 1-gcc in your target ?
12:07 < rxr> maybe you only build the 0-gcc cross compiler a no in-system one ?
12:07 < rxr> I built it to have the libstdc++ that can only be build from 1-gcc on ...
12:13 < rxr> mtr: is there new tls support in that uclibc ?
12:14 < rxr> when I patch thie attribute_hidden thing I get next erros due to missing tls.h in some ifdef whith no ths.h installed by uclibc ...
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12:32 < CIA-9> rene * r21715 /trunk/package/multimedia/sn9c102/ (linux-2.6.18.patch sn9c102.desc): * updated sn9c102 (1.32 -> 1.34)
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12:35 < CIA-9> rene * r21716 /trunk/package/multimedia/live/live.desc: * updated live (2006.10.07 -> 2006.12.31)
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12:53 * mtr getting the same 1-gcc error on x86 test build now
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13:43 < rxr> mtr: .oO
13:44 < rxr> at least I'm not alone ...
13:44 < rxr> damn - I get stuck in too many iquiries, lately ...
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13:51 < rxr> hey jsaw !
13:54 < r4gnar0k> lol
13:58 [Users #t2]
13:58 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw] [ r4gnar0k] [ Stelz ]
13:58 [ Baldzius] [ Demian] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
13:58 [ Capey ] [ emte_ ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ]
13:58 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
14:01 < jsaw> hi
14:01 < jsaw> hi rxr
14:02 < jsaw> brb (hunting coffee)
14:03 < rxr> jsaw: yeah - we are late for lunch as well - so I might be off for 35m or so soon ...
14:04 < rxr> jsaw: but front up a warm welcome back!
14:10 < mtr> hi jsaw
14:10 < mtr> rxr: just for reference, snapshot 20070103 produces the same 1-gcc error
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14:11 < rxr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2_SDE
14:11 < rxr> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2_SDE
14:11 < rxr> ^- much extended
14:12 < rxr> and no, it was not me :-)
14:12 < jsaw> re
14:12 < jsaw> hi mtr
14:12 < jsaw> rxr: thanks
14:12 < rxr> :-)
14:12 < rxr> so - one more mail and then we are off for lunch ..
14:13 < rxr> r4gnar0k: I have indeed one more problem with my local ncurses fix that I have to track before I can commit it:
14:13 < rxr> == 01/04/07 13:54:26 =[1]=> Finished building package sysfiles.
14:13 < rxr> bin/bash: can't load library 'libncurses.so.5.6x.5'
14:13 < rxr> ...
14:13 < rxr> (^- on a clean rebuild with that patch)
14:15 < jsaw> rxr: do you have svn via svn protocol open by now?
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14:21 < mtr> on #uclibc there was an report too: 20061228-10:45.14-FoXCoRe-I experienced a gcc compilation error since rev16801 of uClibc : error: expected initializer before 'attribute_hidden' ...
14:23 < rxr> yep that's our bug
14:23 < rxr> jsaw: we had the whole time, or is it down right now ?
14:23 < rxr> svnserve is running ...
14:23 < jsaw> oh, ic
14:23 < rxr> but only read-only - for write you need https:// ...
14:23 < jsaw> the latter I know...
14:24 < rxr> so - lunch - cu all then
14:24 < rxr> mtr: I use yesterdays uclibc for now
14:25 < rxr> need to work on this ncurses rm -rf .so bug anyway ...
14:25 < rxr> cu soon
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15:24 < rxr> re
15:24 < Stelz> rehi rxr
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15:33 < rxr> moin sepp_
15:37 < CIA-9> rene * r21717 /trunk/package/network/bacula/bacula.desc: * updated bacula (1.39.32 -> 2.0.0)
15:38 < CIA-9> rene * r21718 /trunk/package/audio/libiriverdb/ (. libiriverdb.cache libiriverdb.desc): * added libiriverdb (1.5) - A library for maintaining the database on iRiver jukeboxes
15:50 < CIA-9> rene * r21719 /trunk/package/network/bacula/bacula.desc: * marked bacula (2.0.0) Stable
15:52 < sepp_> hello :)
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16:03 < CIA-9> rene * r21720 /trunk/package/mail/getmail/ (. getmail.cache getmail.desc): * added getmail (4.6.7) - A fetchmail replacement with qmail-like Maildir and external MDA delivery
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17:51 < rxr> hey - this open source flash player thing actually works for some sites .-)!!!
17:52 < Stelz> :)
17:52 < Stelz> rxr: which one?
17:52 < Stelz> gnash?
18:08 < rxr> yeü
18:08 < rxr> yep
18:08 < rxr> x86-64 and ppc here, so no binary only flash avail even if I would wanted that
18:10 < Stelz> ya.. gnash r0xx// cause there is no flash version fr openbsd..
18:10 < Stelz> *for
18:11 * Demian hates to code GUIs...
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18:20 < misl> hi folks
18:22 < Stelz> rehi
18:23 < misl> hi Stelz
18:33 < Demian> hi misl
18:33 < misl> hi Demain
18:37 < rxr> moin misl
18:37 < misl> hi rxr
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20:52 < CIA-9> rene * r21721 /trunk/package/editors/tea/tea.desc: * updated tea (15.0.0 -> 15.0.1)
20:52 < sepp> hello :)
20:53 < rxr> hi sepp
20:53 [Users #t2]
20:53 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ r4gnar0k] [ Stelz ]
20:53 [ Baldzius] [ Demian] [ misl] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
20:53 [ Capey ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ]
20:53 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
20:54 < sepp> hi rxr
20:57 < sepp> i used a 3.5" floppy drive/disk today :)
20:58 < rxr> hm
20:58 < rxr> you mean those 1.44 MB or so ones
20:58 < rxr> or .72 if they where just DD ?
20:59 < sepp> yup 1.44mb, some idiot implemented a update bios from usb stick, ofcourse it does not work
21:00 < sepp> now i have an updated bios and ide controller still does not work
21:00 < sepp> :/
21:05 < rxr> :/
21:06 < rxr> new board ?
21:07 < sepp> yes
21:07 < sepp> but it has only 1 ide port ...
21:08 < rxr> the rest is SATA ?
21:08 < sepp> yup
21:08 < rxr> or tiny micro ATX ?
21:08 < sepp> sata
21:15 < CIA-9> rene * r21722 /trunk/architecture/share/kernel-common.conf.m4: * build USB support fully modular
21:15 < CIA-9> rene * r21723 /trunk/package/base/binutils/binutils.desc: * updated binutils (2.17.50.0.8 -> 2.17.50.0.9)
21:18 < CIA-9> sebastian * r21724 /trunk/package/develop/smalltalk/smalltalk.conf: * tweaked gnu-smalltalk to append tcl/tk libdir as confopt (for lib64 systems)
21:27 < sepp> can you put some ide dvd toaster in an external ide>usb thingy and get it running under linux?
21:40 < sepp> you can not even google such things, only who sells which crappy hardware
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