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07:10 < Capey> morning all
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07:13 < Capey> rxr: was it hauppage tv card you have/had on your box?
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08:44 < Stelz> hi LMJ
08:54 < rxr> hi
08:55 < rxr> Capey: oehm - have to look it up
08:55 < rxr> Capey: analog or digital DVD-T ?
09:12 < Stelz> hello rxr :-)
09:12 < Stelz> hows life?
09:18 < rxr> Stelz: code code code :-)
09:18 < rxr> we have quite some new stuff in the queue, + cebit + the hardcover T2 book going into print in the summer ...
09:18 < rxr> in other words we are quite loaded :-)
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09:19 < Stelz> aha :)
09:22 < Stelz> rxr: any news with minix? do you work on it? :)
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09:29 < rxr> ouh, yeah I have this halfly done
09:30 < rxr> I right now work more for the cross build stuff on linux I need
09:30 < rxr> new CPUs :-)
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09:48 < Stelz> hlafly done? great! :)
09:48 < Stelz> *halfly
09:49 < Stelz> openbsd support will follow :)
09:55 < rxr> the problematic thing with minix (apart that it is just a tiny baby, not a full-fledged OS ...)
09:55 < rxr> is that it ships as big fat source-tree
09:55 < rxr> integrating that in T2 is not that funny ...
09:55 < rxr> guess it's the same with the BSDs
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09:56 < Stelz> yep, rxr
09:57 < Stelz> the source of openbsd kernel is very nice tree :)
09:57 < Stelz> *nice*
09:57 < Stelz> :)
09:57 < rxr> yeah but a big one
09:57 < Stelz> yea
09:57 < rxr> I even guess with all sorts of tiny tools such as shell, sed, ... in it ...
09:57 < rxr> that is more known as monolythic monster ,,,
09:58 < rxr> like the former xfree86 cludge
09:58 < Stelz> huh, yeah.. openbsd has its own tools
09:58 < Stelz> like tar, make, pkg-config, etc.
09:58 < Stelz> rewritten under BSDL
09:59 < Stelz> and the sources for all these tools... are rly fat :)
09:59 < rxr> likely not rewritten but the original ones
10:00 < rxr> the GNU ones are the rewritten ones .-)
10:00 < Stelz> ah
10:02 < rxr> the BSD stuff is based on the orig unix sources, and why so many people rewrote all the GNU stuff from scratch
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10:09 < CIA-8> without regulatory daemon
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10:55 < rxr> R4gnar0k: is this done: http://bugs.t2-project.org/ticket/135 ?
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11:06 < LMJ_Work> moin moin
11:12 < Stelz> hi LMJ
11:13 < Shingoshi> Gooday all
11:14 < Stelz> hi
11:14 < Shingoshi> hi
11:15 < Shingoshi> What time is it for all of you?
11:15 < Stelz> uh
11:15 * Stelz :: Date/Time is now [ Thu Mar 1 13:15:21 ]
11:15 < Stelz> :-)
11:15 < Shingoshi> I am doing a time zone check.
11:15 < rxr> 11:15
11:16 < Shingoshi> Mar 1 02:16:00
11:17 < Shingoshi> Is there a simple /code for showing the time and date? Like /me?
11:18 < Shingoshi> Maybe sometihing like /tz?
11:20 < Shingoshi> I have been reading through the manual, but haven't found how to specify my own pkg format as .tlz.
11:20 < rxr> Shingoshi: the manaul does cover use, not every code line of t2
11:21 < Shingoshi> I haven't found what the variable name is to change it.
11:21 < rxr> as with new code as usual I would propose you use "grep" to search for the patterns that are currently implemented to find those places
11:23 < Shingoshi> I looked for things like, make makepkg DESTDIR, etc, but could find what I was looking for.
11:23 < Shingoshi> Package Format...
11:24 < Shingoshi> I have tried different variations of what I thought it might be, to no avail.
11:24 < Shingoshi> I have done this before, and sucessfully, with others. But not here.
11:25 < Shingoshi> Searched for .tar.gz. Oh, wait, you use .tar.bz2.
11:26 < Shingoshi> Never mind, I'll try again.
11:27 < rxr> you can open the Config
11:27 < rxr> then go to the package option
11:27 < rxr> click on help and you see the config variable name
11:27 < rxr> then you grep for that variable and voila :-)
11:30 < Shingoshi> Ok. I was afraid to run the program, not knowing what it might do on or to my system.
11:30 < Shingoshi> I'll do it now.
11:31 < rxr> you have never run Config yet ?
11:31 < Shingoshi> egrep: scripts/parse-config: No such file or directory
11:32 < Shingoshi> gcc: misc/confdialog/*.c: No such file or directory
11:32 < Shingoshi> It crashes.
11:32 < rxr> you run it thru your wrapper ?
11:33 < Shingoshi> I am in mc, and I clicked on it to run. And that is what I got.
11:35 < Shingoshi> No. I haven't done any of that yet.
11:35 < Shingoshi> I just woke up since I last spoke to you.
11:36 < Shingoshi> Looking at the wrapper now in the handbook.
11:36 < Shingoshi> Let me keep stumbling through this. At some point, I'll find my way around.
11:37 < rxr> you clicked on the Config in the scripts dir?
11:37 < Shingoshi> yes.
11:37 < rxr> you need to run the scripts in the "t2 top-level dir"
11:37 < rxr> everything else will not work
11:38 < Shingoshi> Gotcha.
11:38 < rxr> (because it does not find all it's included modules ...)
11:38 < Shingoshi> ok
11:38 < Shingoshi> So I first cd to /trunk, and then run my commands?
11:39 < rxr> yes
11:39 < Shingoshi> Look, the more I talk, the more I feel like an idiot.
11:40 < Shingoshi> Let me not embarrass myself more, and just let me make a fool of myself on my own. LOL
11:41 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/soc.html
11:41 < Shingoshi> Gone to read.
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11:45 < Shingoshi> Your non-system builds looks interesting. How long before completed?
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11:52 < rxr> no idea
11:52 < rxr> this is for the Google Summer of code
11:52 < rxr> when Google pays a stuend possible this summer :-)
11:53 < Shingoshi> The cluster targets are great, but I know openmosix is very immature now. They have no 2.6 release, and they have no idea when.
11:53 < rxr> there is some 2.6 snapshot thing
11:53 < rxr> anyway - this is for Google Summer of Code where Google pays students to work on Open Source
11:54 < Shingoshi> Did you mean, stipend
11:54 < rxr> when those students have someting to do real work on like immature OpenMosix then the better .-)
11:54 < rxr> the more they have to fix the more they learn :-)))
11:55 < Shingoshi> I tried to get the openmosix crew to contact you, but they seem, we'll do it on our own kind of kids.
11:56 < Shingoshi> I guess most of you are "kids" to me. Old fart I am!
11:57 < Shingoshi> If the openmosix crew were to join t2, do you think it would be possible for you to establish a standard cluster kernel as a default build?
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11:58 < rxr> you mean when you download T2 you get a cluster kernel by default ?
11:58 < Shingoshi> Yes!!!!
11:58 < rxr> likely not
11:59 < Shingoshi> Too bad. You would be ahead of everyone else!
11:59 < rxr> those kernels are most probably noticeable slower and break driver needed for Joe users, such as multimedia stuff
11:59 < Shingoshi> It would be awesome!
11:59 < rxr> but nothing stops you and others to Create a T2-Cluster CD-set that does exactly that
12:00 < Shingoshi> That's why I asked if they joined you. Then all of you could better work out those bugs together.
12:00 < rxr> I mean when you grab the usual T2-Embedded stuff you also do not get the default desktop or cluster stuff but the dedicated embedded setup
12:00 < rxr> I guess they know already
12:00 < rxr> all this is non-trivial in the kernel
12:00 < rxr> guess they do care less about DVB devices than to get their 2.6 kernel patch stable first
12:01 < Shingoshi> I think if they were focused more on having a mainstream kernel, for generic installations, they would have a better chance of refining it for general use.
12:02 < rxr> Stelz: maybe you even want to apply to the Google Summer of Code program - see the link aboave and the message on the list
12:02 < Shingoshi> The people who write the drivers would better sort out driver related issues in the context of a clustered kernel.
12:02 < rxr> Stelz: google would pay you fulltime the summer to work on that project then
12:03 < rxr> Shingoshi: yeah
12:03 < rxr> ok - so - lunch-time - cu a bit later then
12:03 < Shingoshi> Is that in agreement.
12:04 < Stelz> hmm
12:04 < Shingoshi> Stelz: ??
12:08 < Stelz> huh, rxr. good idea :)
12:09 < Shingoshi> I think the advantages of having a clustered kernel are enormous. Especially for a build system.
12:09 < Shingoshi> It could significantly reduce the build times.
12:10 < Shingoshi> Very big gains indeed.
12:16 < Capey> rxr: btw. should we disable nvidiafb from future versions
12:16 < Capey> since one cant use nvidiafb and nvidia's own driver at the same time
12:17 < Capey> ie. from loading, not building it
12:22 < Shingoshi> rxr: Could I have some space on your site to advocate for joint projects?
12:23 < Shingoshi> If I could, I could refer people to that page to discuss the issues they are inclined to think are obsticals to joint projects.
12:24 < Capey> rxr: what is the T2 way of disabling kernel modules from loading... i wanted to disable nvidiafb from loading by hotplug, didnt find any place to say it so i just ended up removing the kernel module from /lib
12:25 < Shingoshi> rxr: Maybe like a blog.
12:26 < Shingoshi> Does t2 have as /etc/modules* or something like that, where you can do it there?
12:26 < Shingoshi> Capey: Does t2 have as /etc/modules* or something like that, where you can do it there?
12:26 < Capey> we have modules.conf, i added one line there but that didnt have any effect tho
12:27 < Shingoshi> When you compile the kernel, do you use make menuconfig etc.
12:28 < Shingoshi> You may have to remove it from your build.
12:28 < Capey> when you want to use custom kernel. in T2 we do not run through menuconfig, we inject our values directly to .config and run -oldconfig or so after that
12:28 < Shingoshi> But then you would never have the module to use at all.
12:29 < Capey> yeah, that is what i suggested to rxr, disable nvidiafb from loading but it would be still built
12:29 < Shingoshi> Then look for the switch in your config file.
12:30 < Shingoshi> What happens when it is loaded as a module?
12:30 < Shingoshi> Does your system crash?
12:30 < Capey> for me?
12:30 < Shingoshi> yes
12:30 < Capey> no, it works, but i cant use nvidiafb and nvidia's own X driver at the same time.... i think same thing applies to ati as well
12:31 < Shingoshi> That should be in your /etc/xorg.conf.
12:31 < Shingoshi> Fix it there.
12:32 < Capey> what do you mean? what should be in my xorg.conf?
12:32 < Capey> driver definition?
12:32 < Shingoshi> Specify which driver to use in the conf file you use to start X/
12:33 < Capey> ofcourse, its already there. but those two drivers cant be loaded at the same time
12:33 < Shingoshi> You should be able to tell the X.conf to use which one you want.
12:34 < Capey> yeah, i know. but the nvidiafb is the one thats loaded during boot by hotplug
12:34 < Shingoshi> Either that, or write a script to unload the driver for you.
12:34 < Capey> i cant unload it... its in use
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12:35 < Shingoshi> Let me think about this.
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12:36 < Shingoshi> I know that when I booted my system before, I had to specify the fb, Because my server board only uses an fb.
12:37 < Shingoshi> Do you have a system which only uses a fb?
12:38 < Shingoshi> There are no drivers for my ATI ES1000. So framebuffer is my only option.
12:38 < Shingoshi> Well not exactly.
12:39 < Shingoshi> It's too bad you can't select it in the rc.scripts.
12:39 < Capey> nope, i have gforce 6600 which is supported by nvidia driver
12:39 < Shingoshi> Maybe you can. I have never tried to.
12:40 < Shingoshi> There has to be a way to tell the boot process which driver to use in the /etc/rc.*?
12:40 < Shingoshi> Let me go look!
12:41 < Shingoshi> bbl
12:41 < Capey> well, what i'm trying to archive here, is to use vesafb and nvidia(in X).
12:42 < Capey> vesafb should be possible by giving kernel option video=vesa (or was it vesafb). have to try it when i get back home
12:43 < Shingoshi> Look inside of /etc/rc.d or whatever your system has for the boot scripts. Look at rc.modules and see it you can fix it there.
12:44 < Shingoshi> rc.udev is another option.
12:49 < Shingoshi> Tell me again which driver you want to use.
12:49 < Shingoshi> Only the driver you want.
12:50 < Shingoshi> Capey: ^^
12:50 < Capey> vesafb during boot (console use) and nvidia (X use)
12:50 < Shingoshi> Do you use grub to boot?
12:50 < Capey> yep
12:51 < Shingoshi> Is there an ability in it like lilo to specify alias' for modules there?
12:51 < Capey> dont know...
12:51 < Capey> but this is temporarily fixed by removing the nvidiafb driver...
12:52 < Shingoshi> In lilo, you can specify modules to load the system.
12:52 < Capey> so it uses vesafb on boot
12:52 < Shingoshi> If grub can control modules like lilo can, your problem will be fixed.
12:53 < Shingoshi> read man lilo, and then man grub. See if there is a correlation between them for that purpose.
12:54 < Shingoshi> I am not always a dummy, I am just too often lazy!
12:56 < Shingoshi> I do know some things. I just hate working to learn. Often, I wish I could google my own system for details I want or need right away.
12:56 < Shingoshi> My problem is, I always want it now.
12:56 < Shingoshi> Yes, Lazy!
12:57 < Shingoshi> So I am always writing scripts to do things for me. I also hate typing the same command repeatedly.
12:58 < Shingoshi> I am definitely one of those GUI's are everything sort of guys.
12:59 < Shingoshi> The less time I spend having to look for things, the more I have to build concepts instead.
13:00 < Shingoshi> I'd rather check boxes or buttons than type!
13:00 < Shingoshi> Me, I would want a button for what you are trying to do.
13:00 < Shingoshi> But that's just me.
13:02 < Shingoshi> Capey: All of the time you have spent trying to debug this, could have been spent on creating something new and improved. Rather than trying to figure out why you can't do something as simple as telling the kernel which modules to use.
13:03 < Shingoshi> Capey: YOu there?
13:03 < Capey> yeah, i'm here
13:03 < Shingoshi> Ok, Maybe I preach too much.
13:04 < Shingoshi> But I hate wasting time on housekeeping. This is definitely housekeeping!
13:04 < Capey> I suggested this nvidiafb ban to rxr, because there might be users that have same kind of situation...
13:05 < Shingoshi> I have an even better idea. When you finally fix this, write a dialog to set modules from now on.
13:06 < Shingoshi> In fact, it would be noce of the entire configuration of t2 could be set in Webmin. And no, I am not kidding.
13:07 < Shingoshi> We could create an entire catagory just for t2 in webmin, just as there is now for clusters.
13:08 < Shingoshi> Once I learn how to write webmin modules, I will do that first.
13:18 < rxr> re
13:19 < rxr> Capey: vga= is what you look for
13:27 < Capey> last time i tryed Webmin was on red hat or so and was quite unstable,wrecking some config files... besides that is targeted to servers
13:29 < Capey> this was years ago tho
13:40 < Shingoshi> Webmin is very stable now.
13:41 < Shingoshi> And besides, if it became out standard configureation tool, your work would only benefit everyone.
13:41 < rxr> Capey: webmit for the wlan router?
13:42 < Shingoshi> The standard theme comes from a distribution called msclinux. It was a cluster specific distribution!
13:42 < rxr> thats a big don't way to fat and slow
13:42 < Shingoshi> At least an option. Or something like a module for linuxconf.
13:45 < Shingoshi> You missed my question about me having a page on t2 for advocacy of joint projects. I wanted to know if you would be willing to allow that? Having a single place anyone could go to discuss joint endeavors on t2.
13:45 < rxr> sure
13:46 < Shingoshi> wow!
13:46 < Shingoshi> I should let you know, that I am a writer.
13:47 < Shingoshi> And I have been told that I have a gift for explaining complex things in ways most can understand.
13:48 < Shingoshi> Despite the abundance of my stupid questions. LOL!
13:49 < Shingoshi> I guess it helps to assist dummies, it you are one. I do a good job of playing one.
13:51 < Shingoshi> rxr: Please ask juro_ from openmosix to join us here for a conversation. I have been talking to him, but he needs more direct convincing. I think you could get and keep his attention.
13:51 < Shingoshi> That's juri_
13:52 < rxr> Shingoshi: to be honest I have quite a workload right now anyway
13:52 < rxr> so discussion better sometime else when my desk is not as crowded
13:53 < Shingoshi> I don't want to leave, I just want him to come here for awhile. You are both leaders, so I think he would respect that.
13:53 < rxr> yes sure
13:53 < rxr> but I have no time for lengthy dicussions anywa
13:53 < rxr> y
13:53 < rxr> we better spare that for when we have more time ...
13:53 < Shingoshi> Anyway, how can we go about me setting up the advocacy page.
13:54 < Shingoshi> Should I email you?
13:57 < Shingoshi> I think there is a larger team here than on OM. I may be wrong, but they seem a bit fragmented. Maybe this as a context could give them a specific focus.
13:57 < Shingoshi> Much like ubuntu taking over the LTSP.
13:59 < Shingoshi> How much difference is there between ArchiVista and LAMP?
13:59 < Shingoshi> Linux Apache MySql Php?
14:00 < rxr> ArchiVista ?
14:00 < Shingoshi> Is ArchiVista essentially a commercial version of LAMP?
14:01 < Shingoshi> Yes. your archivista targer
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14:03 < rxr> that's not our
14:03 < rxr> that's from an other company
14:03 < rxr> it is using MySQL and Perl and Linux, so LAMP :-)
14:03 < Shingoshi> But you do offer it as a target.
14:04 -!- juri_ [i=[u9k1Vun@volumehost.com] has joined #t2
14:05 < Capey> rxr: webmin for wrt? uhm, if we really have that much free space, i'd rather do custom one with lua or someother clever scripting language
14:05 < Capey> that is we want to provide web config tool
14:05 < juri_> hello good people. i'm juri, a lowly parttime hacker from the openmosix team. shingoshi seems to think we should talk. so, uhm, hi there. :)
14:05 < Capey> if
14:06 < Shingoshi> YES YES YES YES
14:06 < rxr> Capey: ack, missinterpreted the chating
14:06 < rxr> Shingoshi: Archivista is so kind to release it completely under the GPL
14:06 < rxr> mainly they sell the device + support to other companies
14:07 < Shingoshi> rxr: Meet juri_ From openmosix.
14:07 < rxr> that's the different between the evil binary blob companies and the Open 2.0 generation of companies
14:07 < rxr> welcome juri_ :-)
14:07 < Shingoshi> This is specifically the kind of advocacy I am talking about. Joint ventures.
14:08 < juri_> i'm understanding that you people may want to integrate OM2.6 into one of your releases?
14:08 < Shingoshi> A suggestion.
14:08 < rxr> Shingoshi is talking about this, yes
14:08 < juri_> it will take some work, for all parties involved. :)
14:09 < Shingoshi> I think the two of you together would be awesome!
14:09 < rxr> some people are using or used to use OpenMosix already - e.g. valentin in an university cluster
14:09 < juri_> shingoshi: enthusiasm is good, but both projects need programmers. at least, ours does. :)
14:09 < rxr> juri_: :-)
14:10 < rxr> Shingoshi: also as I wrote I have some urgent stuff on my desk right now, so I better continue to work^3
14:10 < Shingoshi> Let me say something here again for both of you.
14:11 < Shingoshi> It is my opinion that if openmosix could become the default kernel of one distro, much could be acheived in bug fixing that currently is not happening
14:12 < Shingoshi> If the distro's kernel maintainers were all working in the context of clustering and SMP, many issues with modules and the like could be sorted out a lot sooner and with less effort.
14:12 < juri_> much needs to happen reguarding bugfixing before even us developers can use it. :)
14:12 < rxr> as juri said your enthusiasm is good, but I have my doubts that joe enduser is happy with some Mosix kernel he does not nee
14:13 < juri_> as an alternative kernel, it makes sense. but only once we've got a lot more done on our end. :)
14:13 < rxr> what would most probably be of more use is just a T2 target definetion that build some install/live CD/DVD/... with the OpenMosix suite
14:13 < rxr> then the people interested can quickly pick it
14:13 < Shingoshi> If clustering was readily available to everyone, anyone like me who has more computers than anyone person ought to, would suddenly have a cluster to boot.
14:14 < juri_> shingoshi: plumpos. ;)
14:14 < juri_> OM used to have co-distros that released live-cd setups perfect for clustering. we're just very hobbled by lack of programmers on our 2.6 release.
14:15 < juri_> there still exists images of the old 2.4 based livecd systems, to do what you're asking for.
14:15 < Shingoshi> I have around 8 computers on my net. I would feel less of a hoarder, if they were actually being put to good use.
14:15 < juri_> honestly, our big problem has been 2.4 was so successful, 2.6 is having problems competing. ;)
14:16 < Shingoshi> That would no longer be a problem if a distro like this adopted it.
14:16 < Shingoshi> I think the both of you have an excellent opportunity for something phenominal.
14:17 < juri_> i think you're getting the cart before the horse. we have work to do before we're release ready for anything.
14:17 < juri_> you're welcome to join the fray. on both teams, even. ;)
14:17 < Shingoshi> Lay out a list of your objectives and progress. And then we can all go from there.
14:18 < Shingoshi> The first step in any sucessful goal is communication.
14:18 < Shingoshi> We have taken the first step.
14:18 < Shingoshi> Let's keep it up!
14:19 < Shingoshi> This is why we need my advocacy page on t2.
14:19 < juri_> i think amongst our developers, the goal of "send a process away, have it do work, bring it back, let it communicate with the other processes on $HOME" encompasses our current mission statement. ;P
14:19 < rxr> juri_: yeah - maybe park your irc client here to chat from time to time
14:19 < Shingoshi> It can serve as forum for joint development.
14:20 < juri_> rxr: honestly, i've already got a pet distro. debian, by way of FAI. but i'll hang about for a few days, to see what you're p to. obviously, you've got shingoshi excited. :)
14:20 < Shingoshi> You all do!
14:21 < rxr> juri_: yeah
14:21 < Shingoshi> rxr: Let me start that page, And everyone will see the basis of my excitement.
14:21 < rxr> juri_: if you want to give the homepage a quick glance you might get an overview what T2 is about: http://www.t2-project.org/
14:21 < rxr> Shingoshi: maybe try it out in the new wiki
14:22 < rxr> Shingoshi: T2 is a GPL GNU/Linux as Debian as well
14:22 < Shingoshi> If there is any one thing that I am good at, it is synthethisizing ideas/
14:22 < rxr> just with an retargetable, integrated build system
14:23 < rxr> http://serveur.email.free.fr/
14:23 < rxr> Shingoshi: -^
14:23 < Shingoshi> rxr: juri_ is the Debian guy not me.
14:23 < rxr> Shingoshi: as a good writer you might like to fill content there
14:23 < rxr> Shingoshi: yeah - sorry too much tab while trying to do work in other terminals ...
14:23 < Shingoshi> Good!
14:23 < rxr> Shingoshi: this site is a new protype
14:23 < rxr> Shingoshi: feel free to register there and edit it
14:23 < Shingoshi> ok
14:23 < rxr> currently it is just a skeleton setup by LMJ_Work
14:24 < Shingoshi> checking it now.
14:24 < Shingoshi> Very pretty!
14:25 < Shingoshi> Let me go to work now! I mean on this.
14:27 < rxr> :-)
14:27 [Users #t2]
14:27 [@ChanServ] [ emte__] [ LMJ_Work] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
14:27 [ Capey ] [ juri_ ] [ mtr ] [ Shingoshi]
14:27 [ CIA-8 ] [ LMJ ] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz ]
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14:30 < Shingoshi> I just created my registration. Going to it.
14:32 < Shingoshi> Waiting for my acceptance email.
14:32 < Shingoshi> Great! Now I will never get any sleep!
14:32 < Shingoshi> LOL
14:33 < Shingoshi> You thought I was excited before. Huh, you haven't seen anything yet!
14:34 < LMJ_Work> hi
14:34 < Shingoshi> hi
14:34 < Shingoshi> Gooday
14:34 < rxr> heh - have fun Shingoshi
14:35 < Shingoshi> You have no idea what you have done!
14:35 < Shingoshi> LOL
14:35 < rxr> .oO
14:36 < Shingoshi> ha ha ha ha
14:36 < rxr> btw, just ass you produce quite some content here these days, the IRC channel is logged and google searchable:
14:36 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/irclogs/
14:36 < rxr> also linked from:: http://www.t2-project.org/contact/
14:37 < Shingoshi> wow!
14:37 < Shingoshi> I wonder how many more links will show up for me now as Shingoshi?
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14:38 < Shingoshi> Not like there weren't enough to begin with!
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14:39 < Shingoshi> juri_: You might regret this! LOL
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14:39 < Shingoshi> rxr: How long does it take to get the acceptance mail.
14:40 < rxr> minute ?
14:40 < rxr> but that's not my server, ...
14:40 < Shingoshi> Don't have it yet.
14:40 < Shingoshi> ok
14:41 < rxr> still not ?
14:41 < Shingoshi> no
14:42 < rxr> hm
14:42 < Shingoshi> no activation received yet.
14:43 < LMJ_Work> nice rxr, all IRC logs
14:44 < LMJ_Work> this is can be very useful for the website : FAQ at least
14:44 < rxr> LMJ_Work: can you take a look regarding Shingoshi new-site registration ?
14:44 < LMJ_Work> when you registered Shingoshi ?
14:44 < Shingoshi> Minutes ago. Maybe 10.
14:45 < LMJ_Work> : host gateway-a.comcast.net[206.18.177.26] said: 550
14:45 < Shingoshi> yes
14:45 < LMJ_Work> 212.27.63.203 blocked by ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=comcast,dc=net -> BL004 Blocked
14:45 < LMJ_Work> for spam. Please see http://www.comcast.net/help/faq/index.jsp?faq=SecurityMail_Policy18628 (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
14:45 < Shingoshi> What? Why would that be?
14:45 < Shingoshi> I just got mail this morning.
14:46 < Shingoshi> About two hours ago.
14:46 < Shingoshi> Oh!!!
14:47 < Shingoshi> How can I fix that?
14:47 < Shingoshi> Can you personally send the activation with your own email?
14:48 < LMJ_Work> do you have any other email add ?
14:48 < Shingoshi> Give me a passwd that I can change later.
14:49 < Shingoshi> I would have the same problem. All of my addresses are on Comcast.
14:49 < LMJ_Work> your email should be actived anyway
14:49 < Shingoshi> So I can log in using my own passwd?
14:49 < LMJ_Work> I activated your account
14:50 < LMJ_Work> you should be able to logon now
14:50 < Shingoshi> Good, Gone fishing!!
14:50 < LMJ_Work> little metting soon
14:51 < Shingoshi> I am in!
14:52 < LMJ_Work> GTG
14:57 < rxr> cu LMJ_Work
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14:59 < Shingoshi> Is it under "submit weblink" that I would create a new catagory under "Home"? My intended catagory it "JoinT2 Ventures".
15:00 < rxr> Shingoshi: this is new, just don't delete anything, and add where you want to add it
15:00 < rxr> if you are overly motivated you could also set off and cut'n paste the exiting website (not too many single pages) into the new t2 site ... .-)
15:01 < Shingoshi> This will be my advocacy page.
15:01 < Shingoshi> No way would I delete anything!!!!!!
15:01 < Shingoshi> I will do things like spell check for english.
15:02 < Shingoshi> Do you really have any idea what overly motivated is? I mean with me!
15:02 < Shingoshi> I am like a puppy who found a new bone!
15:08 < Shingoshi> Boy! It has been so long since I edited webpages.
15:09 < LMJ_Work> LMAO Shingoshi
15:09 < Shingoshi> I used to have one years ago. http://www.profession3d.com .org .net
15:09 < Shingoshi> LMAO?
15:09 < Shingoshi> That link I posted is dead.
15:10 < Shingoshi> LMJ_Work: LMAO??
15:11 < Shingoshi> Please explain LMAO.
15:13 < rxr> LMAO where ?
15:33 < Shingoshi> LMAO Shingoshi
15:33 < Stelz> :)
15:34 < Shingoshi> LMJ_Work: 9 lines up.
15:35 < Shingoshi> LMJ_Work: What program do you use for editing this site.
15:39 < rxr> Shingoshi: firefox ?
15:46 < CIA-8> rene * r22783 /trunk/package/base/u-boot/ (. u-boot.cache u-boot.conf u-boot.desc): * added u-boot (1.1.4) - Universal Bootloader project
15:48 < Shingoshi> I have seamonkey. I didn't know firefox could edit pages.
15:48 < Shingoshi> Do you need an extension to do it?
15:48 < rxr> no, this is server side html functionality
15:48 < rxr> Shingoshi: like wikipedia.org
15:48 < Shingoshi> I am trying to get a bullet placed in the right place.
15:58 < Capey> rxr: addition to google soc. grid and parallel package build system
15:58 < Capey> grid could be some own implementation or some ready made framework with T2 support.
15:59 < Capey> parallel would be good for SMP machines
16:01 < rxr> could be added to the dynamic package scheduling entry
16:01 < rxr> Capey: what do you think of the overal list? good, bad? something too trivial ?
16:07 < Capey> rxr: overall quite good, nothing too trivial in my opinion
16:08 < rxr> :-)
16:10 < CIA-8> rene * r22784 /trunk/package/xorg/imake/imake.desc: * more verbose text for the imake package
16:26 < CIA-8> mika * r22785 /trunk/target/wrt2/pkgsel:
16:26 < CIA-8> * removed embutils from default package selection
16:26 < CIA-8> and is now marked as optional
16:32 < Shingoshi> rxr: Please explain to juri_ if he is still here how using T2 could simplify the development of openmosix.
16:33 < Shingoshi> It would be much easier if he were using this to implement OM into T2.
16:35 < Shingoshi> Developing OM on T2 makes more sense to then create a target for it in T2.
16:39 * juri_ raises her eyebrow.
16:39 < juri_> i love irc. only here can people not know you're a quadraphalegic dolphin with a skin disorder. ;P
16:40 * juri_ reads the backlog.
16:42 < rxr> damn my new microdrive dropped the floor ...
16:51 * Shingoshi is glad juri_ is still here.
16:52 < juri_> shin: i have yet to see any content here. i'm coding OM in another terminal. ;P
16:52 < Shingoshi> nag nag nag
16:52 < Shingoshi> LOL LOL LOL
16:54 < rxr> juri_: well we are all basically busy coding as well
16:54 < juri_> rxr: dont let me interrupt. :)
16:54 < rxr> juri_: maybe to summarize when Shingoshi is already pushing so hard is that T2 is a GPL build environment to create specialized systems
16:54 < Shingoshi> rxr: Being that you like konqueror more than firefox, why not make a T2 module for administration in konq?
16:55 < rxr> T2 includes such kind support such as cross compiling to all Linux supported architectures and output image processing like creating install, livecd or ROM images
16:55 < juri_> shingoshi: you're obviously an ideas kind of guy. want to help the rest of us out, and work on the details? :)
16:56 < juri_> so, FAI for gentoo. gotcha. :P
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16:56 < rxr> we have nothing to to with Gentoo
16:56 < Shingoshi> Give me a list of things you would like me to help you with.
16:56 < rxr> juri_: code base is 100% different
16:56 < sepp> moin :)
16:56 < juri_> rxr: i was being sarcastic. :)
16:56 < rxr> juri_: more like Gentoo for professionals ...
16:56 < rxr> hi sepp
16:56 < Shingoshi> YES!!!
16:56 < sepp> hi rxr :)
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16:57 < juri_> shingoshi: any of the ideas you've posted? :)
16:57 < juri_> OM is AMD64/i386 only on the 2.6.17 kernel. what kernel revision are you guys using as a base?
16:57 * Shingoshi wants everyone to give a big welcome to juri_ !
16:58 < rxr> oh what a rain and storm outside
16:58 < Shingoshi> Consider this our first success.
16:59 < rxr> so - I'm back on my embedded board and hope the microdrive survided the floor-drop ...
16:59 < Shingoshi> I hate when that happens!
17:01 < Capey> juri_: trunk has 2.6.20.1
17:01 < Capey> juri_:but the package versions can be overriden on each target if wanted
17:02 < juri_> so, seems simple to me. shingoshi: if you want OM on T2, work on forward porting our 2.6.17 patches to 2.6.20.1 without a loss of functionality. :)
17:03 < juri_> meanwhile, i'm going to get back to increasing our 2.6.17 functionality.
17:03 < rxr> you can of course select any kernel suits best for you with T2 as well
17:03 < Shingoshi> I have never done that before. But I am anxious to learn whatever you can teach me. It won't be your time wasted!
17:04 < juri_> shingoshi: have you built openmosix before?
17:04 < Shingoshi> I have years ago. And recently tried building OM on this Opteron server.
17:06 < juri_> well, follow the instructions at http://howto.x-tend.be/openMosixWiki/index.php/OpenMosix2.6 , and if you have any problems, give me feedback. its yet another wiki, and i have n account, so i can fix while you work. :)
17:06 < juri_> BRB, buying case.
17:07 < Shingoshi> I think much of OM boils down to networking. Albeit very specialized. Biut having people who build network software would greatly help, if they were working in the context of clustering.
17:11 < rxr> Shingoshi: do you have a homepage or blog ?
17:13 < Shingoshi> http://emergentdestiny.blogspot.com
17:14 < Shingoshi> I haven't done much with it yet. I could use some helpful feedback.
17:15 < Shingoshi> I haven't been there in awhile.
17:16 < Shingoshi> juri_: I created a script for downloading openmosix some time ago using the svn. I will now update it to automate the process even more.
17:17 < Shingoshi> What is the proper command to update my existing local OM trunk?
17:17 < Shingoshi> juri_: What is the proper command to update my existing local OM trunk?
17:17 < juri_> svn update
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17:18 < Shingoshi> Is that in the trunk dir /?
17:18 < Shingoshi> I got it.
17:19 < rxr> :-)
17:19 < rxr> best remeber it - it's the same for T2 :-)
17:20 < Shingoshi> I am creating scripts to include in pkgs.
17:20 < juri_> you'll need to re-do the "extract the sources to an env" and "build it" steps.
17:21 < juri_> i'm writing this all in the wiki as we speak. ;P
17:23 < juri_> there. proof the wiki and verify i made that understandable.
17:24 < Shingoshi> Seems good so far.
17:25 < Shingoshi> I am basically copying your work directly into a script.
17:27 < juri_> as it should be.
17:28 < juri_> as in, my doccumentation should be good enough to execute, not that you SHOULD be using a script for it. ;P
17:33 < Shingoshi> juri_: http://rafb.net/p/xA7K1d80.html
17:35 < juri_> cute. nt feature complete, but good for note taking. ;)
17:36 < Shingoshi> Tell me what else you would like me to add to it.
17:37 < Shingoshi> juri_: Tell me what else you would like me to add to it.
17:39 < Shingoshi> It seems to make more sense to me if pages simply offered complete scripts of their "examples". It would save me the time of copying examples to code.
17:40 < juri_> well, if you're updating the repository, you need to remove your DESTINATION.
17:40 < Shingoshi> Oh yeah, I forgot to extract the sources.
17:41 < Shingoshi> ok
17:55 < Shingoshi> juri_: Can you edit the pastebin I posted to you and send it back?
17:56 < Shingoshi> Either that, or copy it directly to somewhere on the OM wiki page, where we can work together on it.
17:56 < Shingoshi> Our first collaborative project. ;-)
17:57 < Shingoshi> Then we can simply offer the completed script to everyone.
17:59 < juri_> shingoshi: sorry, but i'm not interested in helping with that. i'll post it, and criticize, but my creative efforts are best spent elsewhere, "where you canot go". ;)
18:00 < Shingoshi> OK.
18:00 < Shingoshi> Is there a way to determine the svn version in this script?
18:02 < Shingoshi> How do you read the svn version inside a script?
18:02 < Shingoshi> juri_: ^^^
18:02 < juri_> i don't quite know what you're asking.
18:03 < Shingoshi> I would like to be able to use the svn version of the trunk within my script.
18:03 < Shingoshi> Sorry, I wasn't clear.
18:03 < juri_> i'd think you'd want to capture the output of the svn command then. there might be a status command, or somesuch.
18:04 < Shingoshi> I'll check the svn manpage.
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18:42 < CIA-8> rene * r22786 /trunk/package/base/u-boot/u-boot.desc:
18:42 < CIA-8> * changed u-boot to use var_insert not _append to add the patchfile,
18:42 < CIA-8> so that in-tree patches can patch the resulting files
18:45 < CIA-8> rene * r22787 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf: * added avr32 kernel image generation to the the linux* family of packages
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19:21 < rxr> http://lwn.net/Articles/222773/
19:21 < rxr> Who wrote 2.6.20?
19:22 < R4gnar0k> rxr: no
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19:22 < R4gnar0k> I should really do that
19:23 < rxr> oh ok
19:23 < rxr> I nearly closed it today :-(
19:24 < rxr> R4gnar0k: can you register there and assign the thing to you ?
19:24 < R4gnar0k> maaybe o_o
19:40 < rxr> ok - cu all
19:40 < rxr> off for evening dinner
19:44 < Stelz> cu rxr
19:44 < Stelz> have fun with your dinner :-)
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20:54 < Shingoshi> LMJ: Do I have the priviledges to create a menu item on the wiki page in the main menu? I want to create a link between Developer and Contact Us. The link should be "JoinT2 Ventures".
20:56 < Shingoshi> We also need a search utility for the site.
20:57 < LMJ> LMJ_Work: What program do you use for editing this site. < nothing, i'm using a CMS called Joomla
20:57 < LMJ> we will see that tomorrow Shingoshi , i'm so tired
21:18 < Shingoshi> ok
21:19 < Shingoshi> Are you going to bed now?
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22:09 < Stelz> hi sparc-kly
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23:24 < Shingoshi> Goonite!
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