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08:54 < CIA-8> susan * r22853 /trunk/package/kde/kalarm/kalarm.desc: * updated kalarm (1.4.8 -> 1.4.10)
08:55 < CIA-8> susan * r22854 /trunk/package/develop/re2c/re2c.desc: * updated re2c (0.11.0 -> 0.11.2)
08:55 < CIA-8> susan * r22855 /trunk/package/mail/dcc/dcc.desc: * updated dcc (1.3.52 -> 1.3.53)
08:56 < CIA-8> susan * r22856 /trunk/package/kde/digikamimageplugins/digikamimageplugins.desc: * updated digikamimageplugins (0.9.0 -> 0.9.1)
08:56 < CIA-8> susan * r22857 /trunk/package/emulators/dosbox/dosbox.desc: * updated dosbox (0.65 -> 0.70)
08:57 < rxr> re
09:10 < CIA-8> susan * r22858 /trunk/package/filesystem/reiser4progs/reiser4progs.desc: * updated reiser4progs (1.0.5 -> 1.0.6)
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09:39 < LMJ_Work> Hello the chan
09:42 < LMJ_Work> Got some issue to get my custom desktop x64 done : http://pastebin.ca/384728   here is a part of my failed packages
09:45 < rxr> HI LMJ_Work 
09:47 < LMJ_Work> moin moin rxr 
09:51 < rxr> LMJ_Work: just some dependencies missing, no ?
09:52 < LMJ_Work> i guess so, but i'm wondering which ones
09:52 < LMJ_Work> libgnomeprintui  deps are all compiled
09:52 < LMJ_Work> avifile, i wonder what is missing
09:53 < LMJ_Work> same for dvd+rwtools
09:54 < LMJ_Work> ardour : maybe liblrdf is missing ;)
09:54 < LMJ_Work> nfs-utils : what package provide libwrap ?
09:55 < LMJ_Work> tcp_wrappers  ?
09:57 < LMJ_Work> portmap error, i don't know what's wrong
09:57 < LMJ_Work> vlc needs mozilla-config ?
10:00 < LMJ_Work> maybe seamonkey
10:07 < CIA-8> susan * r22859 /trunk/package/graphic/dcraw/dcraw.desc: * updated dcraw (8.61 -> 8.62)
10:12 < rxr> libwrap is in tcp-wrapper, yes
10:12 < rxr> vlc is not to now comile right not in trunk
10:12 < rxr> guess I finally should take a look .-(
10:13 < LMJ_Work> oki ;)
10:43 < rxr> ahh - what kind of crap have I written there above ...
10:55 < LMJ_Work> about vlc ? ;)
11:04 < rxr> yeah - the spelling and missing characters and such ..
11:04 < rxr> was a long day yesterday, yet again ...
11:14 < sepp_> i would enable fox, erlang-otp and esdl to build rezound and wings ;)
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11:25 < rxr> hi sepp 
11:26 < sepp> hi rxr :)
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11:30 < CIA-8> rene * r22860 /trunk/package/graphic/libjpeg/libjpeg.conf: 
11:30 < CIA-8> * workarounded libjpeg cross compile hickup in a more obvious and
11:30 < CIA-8>  reliable way
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11:54 < CIA-8> rene * r22861 /trunk/package/graphic/fbv/ (cc.patch fbv.conf): * fixed fbv to cross-build (patch imported from Atmel)
12:03 < rxr> http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2007/10927.html
12:04 < rxr> ^- cool
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12:48 < rxr> re
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12:59 < AStorm> Hello.
12:59 < AStorm> I'm trying to build T2 trunk with tests enabled.
12:59 < AStorm> Of course, autoconf fails with some stupid meaningless failures.
12:59 < AStorm> Like line number off by 1
13:00 < AStorm> or "file not found" message being different from the one they predicted.
13:00 < AStorm> Is there any way to selectively skip tests?
13:00 < sepp> is avr32 some licensed arm or mips cpu with a silly name or something completely different?
13:01 < sepp> hi AStorm 
13:01 < AStorm> AVR32 is not Mips.
13:01 < AStorm> It is ARM.
13:01 < AStorm> Don't know which version of ARM though.
13:03 < AStorm> Nice Atmel chip.
13:04 < AStorm> Ok, back to my problem. Any idea?
13:04 < AStorm> Or do I have to hack the scripts?
13:04 < sepp> make test?
13:05 < AStorm> Yes. Skip that for specified packages.
13:06 < AStorm> The package is just fine, it's that I'm building from a working Gentoo installation - a bit rough environment so to say.
13:07 < AStorm> E.g. autoconf 2.59 testsuite expects bash 2.x and not 3.x
13:07 < sepp> dont know, maybe just disable test cases
13:07 < AStorm> Heh.
13:07 < AStorm> No way to just skip make test for some pkgs?
13:08 < sepp> you could add some NO_CHECK flag to skip some packages
13:09 < AStorm> Where? .desc?
13:10 < sepp> scripts/functions.in and then flag thing like the other flags
13:10 < sepp> in the desc
13:10 < AStorm> Mhm.
13:10 < AStorm> Good, can do. Though I could fix the tests to be less stupid, even.
13:11 < sepp> guess there are too many stupid things to fix them all :)
13:12 < AStorm> That one I can fix :>
13:13 < AStorm> Gentoo devs, in their own retardedness, added unslotted autoconf 2.61
13:13 < AStorm> And that's incompatible with 2.5x
13:14 < AStorm> (AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED et. al.)
13:15 < AStorm> Don't do the same mistake - these have to be installed in parallel.
13:15 < AStorm> 2.1x, 2.5x and 2.6x
13:15 < rxr> hi
13:15 < AStorm> Hello.
13:15 < rxr> what architecture do you build for ?
13:16 < rxr> sepp: AVR32 is not ARM, it is designed from scratched
13:16 < rxr> AStorm: you mean the build fails due to make check | tes t?
13:17 < AStorm> Yes.
13:17 < AStorm> rxr, is it?
13:17 < AStorm> Well, I'm building x86_64
13:17 < AStorm> The failures are funny, different line numbers and different "404" message from bash.
13:17 < rxr> this automated make check | test thing never got too much attention
13:17 < rxr> just disable it if you do not want to see many stray build aborts due that
13:17 < AStorm> Guess it's the time to change it :P
13:18 < AStorm> I do want :P
13:18 < rxr> hehe - ok that is of course very welcome as well :-)
13:18 < AStorm> I just want to first see the failure, then disable the test for the stupid thing if I deem that safe.
13:18 < rxr> I guess it's best to fix the underlying package source then
13:18 < AStorm> Should be easy enough to just change run_check to be conditional.
13:18 < rxr> I also wonder if we run the check for native builds only
13:19 < rxr> I bet for cross builds most packages will fail to perform the checking anyway ...
13:19 < AStorm> For really cross ones, most likely.
13:19 < rxr> T2 always bootstraps a fresh cross compiler in the beginning
13:19 < rxr> stage 0 is "build cross compiler"
13:20 < rxr> stage 1 is "bootstrap fresh cross build stuff
13:20 < AStorm> Yes. And the autoconf failure is in stage0
13:20 < AStorm> I'd expect that :P
13:20 < rxr> and just stage 2 is "build in the fresh bootstraped sandbox"
13:20 < AStorm> Anyway, those autoconf tests have to be fixed a bit to be less stupid. Will do that.
13:21 < rxr> :-)
13:21 < AStorm> hah, it's impossible
13:21 < AStorm> They use diff on output, a braindead strategy.
13:21 < rxr> you can just drop a new patch in the t2 package/.../$pkg/ directory
13:21 < AStorm> I know.
13:21 < rxr> the patches will be picked up automatically ..
13:21 < rxr> AStorm: ah ok
13:22 < rxr> AStorm: most people expect more harcoding such as in other package formats ...
13:22 < rxr> just wanted to drop some basic-use information here so you have an easier life
13:22 < AStorm> rxr, well, I'm coming from Gentoo and have read the doc, even.
13:22 < AStorm> (poor English, but good enough)
13:22 < rxr> :-)
13:22 < rxr> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5501521223.html
13:23 < AStorm> Whoops, I mistook AVR32 for plain AVR.
13:23 < AStorm> That was ARM.
13:24 < AStorm> Highly interesting stuff...
13:30 < AStorm> BTW, I've some other ideas for T2 build system... eg. replacing chroot+loop with chroot+unionfs where available.
13:39 < AStorm> Yes, autoconf testsuite can't really be fixed.
13:41 < AStorm> The tests won't be enabled when building cross.
13:50 < AStorm> Hmm, one of the patches to vim contains "LIBTOOL-WUIRK"
13:50 < AStorm> Surely a tpyo.
13:53 < AStorm> Adding that NO-CHECK flag was very simple.
13:54 < AStorm> Will have to provide some variants maybe, like STAGE0-NO-CHECK
13:57 < AStorm> It's refreshing to change a distro after 6y with Gentoo.
14:05 < sepp> :)
14:07 < LMJ_Work> !> Binary file for rezound-0.12.3beta.tar.bz2 not present. Skipped in package database.
14:07 < LMJ_Work> !> Binary file for sun-jre-160-6.tar.bz2 not present. Skipped in package database.
14:07 < LMJ_Work> !> Binary file for vlc-0.8.6a.tar.bz2 not present. Skipped in package database.
14:08 < LMJ_Work> I stil have this warning even i removed those files from my custom pkgsel, how i can avoid this ?
14:09 < rxr> AStorm: you'r welcome :-)
14:09 < LMJ_Work> hello AStorm 
14:09 < rxr> AStorm: for ideas you might also like to take a look at the GSoC site
14:09 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/developer/soc.html
14:10 < rxr> and some other roadmap bits are drafted here: http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
14:11 < AStorm> I've seen that...
14:18 < LMJ_Work> ping sepp
14:26 < CIA-8> rene * r22862 /trunk/architecture/avr32/package/binutils/binutils-fix-pico-in-out-regs.patch: * imported yet another avr32 binutils hotfix (this time for PiCo instructions)
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15:23 < CIA-8> rene * r22863 /trunk/package/multimedia/vlc/ (vlc.cache vlc.conf): 
15:23 < CIA-8> * fixed vlc firefox/seamonkey support, but hard-disabled vlc flac
15:23 < CIA-8>  support as it is broken right now
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15:28 < sepp> guess flac support is really broken atm
15:30 < rxr> in vlc or in general ?
15:30 < sepp> general
15:30 < rxr> oh
15:30 < rxr> maybe we have a too new flac version?
15:31 < sepp> maybe 
15:31 < rxr> but there is also quite some stuff building with flac support
15:31 < sepp> :)
15:31 < LMJ_work> arg
15:31 < rxr> LMJ_work: ?
15:31 < LMJ_work> disconnected
15:32 < rxr> # grep flac *.err | cut -d : -f 1 | uniq
15:32 < rxr> 5-alsaplayer.err
15:32 < rxr> 5-audacity.err
15:32 < rxr> 5-gst-ffmpeg.err
15:32 < rxr> 5-libsndfile.err
15:32 < rxr> 5-mpd.err
15:32 < rxr> 5-sox.err
15:35 < sepp> 5-hydrogen.err
15:35 < sepp> :)
15:37 < sepp> http://www.xfce-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/51274-1.jpg <- so nice :p
15:37 < rxr> r22554 | rene | 2007-02-16 15:54:57 +0000 (Fri, 16 Feb 2007) | 2 lines
15:37 < rxr>         * updated flac (1.1.2 -> 1.1.4)
15:37 < rxr> sepp: hm?
15:37 < sepp> lol
15:37 < rxr> Martel Barby theme ?
15:38 < sepp> that is the worst thing ever
15:38 < rxr> barbi even
15:38 < rxr> hm - no idea how it is spelled
15:39 < sepp> they could even use it in guantanamo
15:40 < rxr> the flac 1.1 series goes rather way back
15:40 < rxr> and they claim 1.1.4 is way faster and such
15:40 < rxr> I guess we rather want to fix the compile errors currently seen
15:40 < rxr> than downdating something in the flac area ...
15:41 < sepp> oki
15:46 < LMJ_work> how to remove a package built with Build-Target (remove files inside build/<myconfig>/*
15:46 < LMJ_work> )
15:48 < LMJ_work> i could chroot and do a mine -rf
15:50 < LMJ_work> ?
15:50 < sepp> that would work
15:51 < LMJ_work> nothing better ?
15:53 < sepp> i would not remove glibc or something everything is linked again ...
15:54 < rxr> LMJ_work: a single package ?
15:54 < rxr> mine -r $pkg -r build/...
15:54 < rxr> or
15:54 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg $cfg -delete $pkg
15:54 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg $cfg -remove $pkg
15:55 < rxr> IIRC -delete removes all files and -remove removes just the log
15:55 < LMJ_work> ok thanks
15:55 < rxr> (I think this option should be clarified=
15:55 < rxr> )
15:59 < sepp> -[full|new]delete ], ohh i was not aware that there is 1 delete, but 3 ...
16:06 < rxr> yep
16:14 < LMJ_work> sepp : what do you think about jahshaka : http://pastebin.ca/385022
16:16 < sepp> dont know, the real error is earlier ...
16:17 < sepp> guess it has not found some header file
16:18 < LMJ_work> sepp: here we go : http://pastebin.ca/385027
16:19 < sepp> it needs glew
16:19 < LMJ_work> opengl related error ?
16:20 < sepp> better build glew 1st :)
16:20 < LMJ_work> gonna add glew
16:20 < LMJ_work> in progress
16:20 < LMJ_work> done ;)
16:22 < LMJ_work> ok, still an error
16:22 < LMJ_work> http://pastebin.ca/385036
16:24 < sepp> glew needs FPIC-QUIRK
16:24 < LMJ_work> glew compiled fine
16:24 < LMJ_work> ok, let's try
16:27 < LMJ_work> same error
16:27 < LMJ_work> but stop for today, gtg ;)
16:28 < rxr> sepp: do you commit marking glew FPIC-QUIRK then ?
16:29 < LMJ_work> be back later at home
16:30 < sepp> still the same error?
16:33 < sepp> will try if it compiles later
16:35 < AStorm> Huh, tar failing its own testsuite was hilarious :P
16:35 < AStorm> multivolume and sparse.
16:36 < AStorm> 99
16:36 < AStorm> 99,9% sure it's related to the build system and loop file.
16:56 < CIA-8> rene * r22864 /trunk/package/graphic/fbv/bigendian.patch: * basically fixed fbv for a bigendian frame-buffer on big-endian CPUs
16:58 < AStorm> Weird. I can't do that NO-CACHE flag properly it seems.
16:58 < LMJ> moin moin back ;)
16:58 < AStorm> Testing with hasflag in the scripts/functions.in fails - is always true.
17:00 < AStorm> At least in the place I do it. I'll try moving the test.
17:02 < AStorm> Yes, the flags are not yet available where the hook is added... but they are available in the hook itself.
17:04 < AStorm> Yes, now they do really work.
17:09 < rxr> :-)
17:09 < rxr> you send patches of your work to the list or so then?
17:10 < sepp> jahshaka (+ needed libs) builds on my amd64 ...
17:13 < LMJ> ok
17:13 < LMJ> gonna remove it ;)
17:14 < AStorm> rxr, it's just a new flag
17:14 < AStorm> I still think it's not enough :>
17:14 < AStorm> Uh, glibc hates me? :P
17:14 < AStorm> !> checking for .preinit_array/.init_array/.fini_array support... no
17:14 < AStorm> !> configure: error: Need linker with .init_array/.fini_array support.
17:15 < AStorm> It's stage 1 AFAICT.
17:15 < CIA-8> rene * r22865 /trunk/package/graphic/fbv/bigendian.patch: 
17:15 < CIA-8> * fixed fbv to handle 24 bit per pixel framebuffer
17:15 < CIA-8>  (so far only the big-endian code-flow was tested)
17:15 < AStorm> I think this is caused by SSP.
17:16 < sepp> glibc has NO-SSP flag ...
17:17 < AStorm> Well, yes, SSP is disabled.
17:17 < AStorm> But what would cause the error? I'll better check the config.log
17:18 < rxr> do not remeber that I saw that recently ...
17:19  * rxr wonders if I fix mplayer on 16bpp big-endian framebuffers, next ...
17:22 < AStorm> Is T2 binutils built against uclibc or dietlibc?
17:23 < rxr> oeh
17:23 < rxr> depends on your build
17:23 < rxr> when you do a glibc build it is of course build against glibc
17:23 < rxr> when you do a uclibc or dietlibc based build this changes, of course
17:24 < AStorm> Well, it's a glibc build.
17:24 < AStorm> And the bintutils with dietlibc is unchecked.
17:27 < AStorm> Something is very much off then :P
17:27 < AStorm> Either the build system hates my Gentoo :P
17:32 < AStorm> or the compiler that's been built is broken.
17:41 < AStorm> In case I'm unable to figure it out, I'll try from a LiveCD chroot.
17:42 < AStorm> Info: Gentoo ~x86_64 with multilib
17:42 < AStorm> But that should be irrelevant, as T2 SDE is building its own binutils.
17:46 < rxr> yes it should
17:59 < CIA-8> rene * r22866 /trunk/package/graphic/fbv/bigendian.patch: 
17:59 < CIA-8> * and finally fixed fbv for 32 bit per pixel framebuffer on
17:59 < CIA-8>  big-endian
18:12 < AStorm> Unless I manage to run T2, I may end up with a personal distribution.
18:12 < AStorm> Got the dependency and package logging scripts already sorted out...
18:12 < AStorm> (package logging by the use of unionfs ro/rw split :>
18:13 < AStorm> dependency detection could possibly be done using unionfs logging if available, otherwise LD_PRELOAD or stracing.
18:14 < AStorm> Huh? WTF?
18:14 < AStorm> Now flex failed the tests...
18:14 < AStorm> Something is very much off here.
18:14 < AStorm> (previously it didn't)
18:16 < AStorm> Sensors do look ok, no weird log messages - hardware is probably fine.
18:17 < AStorm> ah, previously, I probably had broken testing :P
18:17 < AStorm> CXX_not_available_in_stage_0 -c -o scanner.o -I. -I../.. -I../..  -g -O2 scanner.cpp
18:17 < AStorm> It seems I have to add even more flags.
18:18 < AStorm> Eg. NO-CHECK-STAGE0
18:25 < rxr> I hope you find T2 useful instead of starting your own scripts .-)
18:28 < AStorm> Maybe.
18:28 < AStorm> Except these are already started :-)
18:29 < rxr> yeah but once you sorted them out and fixed a few bugs you get 2600++ package descriptions and 17 or so CPU architectures for free :-)
18:29 < AStorm> make: Cross_CC_not_built_so_far_cc: Command not found
18:29 < AStorm> make: *** [/data/t2-trunk/src/Linux-x86_64/lua/lapi.o] Error 127
18:29 < AStorm> -> Error building the LUA bash accelerator.
18:29 < AStorm> Fun.
18:30 < AStorm> Shouldn't that try to build with system gcc then?
18:31 < AStorm> I'll probably use the package descriptions, but add more buildsystem support.
18:31 < AStorm> Maybe some option switches too (noticed none in T2)
18:32 < rxr> enable the expert options in the Config :-)
18:32 < AStorm> That's not exactly what I mean by options.
18:32 < AStorm> These are very lowlevel. I meant like per-package features.
18:32 < rxr> Config even has a few of those
18:32 < AStorm> E.g. you install, say, gnome, you can pick options.
18:33 < AStorm> E.g. no printer support- sure!
18:33 < AStorm> No accesibility, no problem at all.
18:33 < rxr> and the general stuff like jpeg or usb or not is controlled whether libjepg and co are selected in the target package selection
18:33 < AStorm> That's good.
18:34 < AStorm> Even good enough :-)
18:34 < rxr> and per package options exist too
18:34 < rxr> the whole Config stuff is build up dynamically by the various config.in files
18:34 < AStorm> I wonder how to test against something like ! (asstage toolchain && hasflag NO-CHECK-STAGE0)
18:35 < AStorm> *atstage
18:35 < rxr> e.g. vim has bloated, mediuam and tiny or so to 1:1 wire the assocaited vim feature set among other
18:35 < AStorm> Hmm... config.in... sounds... autotoolish, but could be nice.
18:35 < rxr> heh - no nothing todo with autotools
18:35 < rxr> (which I rather avoid like the plague ...)
18:36 < AStorm> rxr, good for you, I do too. M4 is evil.
18:36 < rxr> definetly ...
18:39 < AStorm> BTW, do you have any good description of the gem package format?
18:42 < rxr> the mine tarball includes some bites
18:42 < rxr> bits
18:42 < AStorm> Hm.
18:42 < rxr> but I hope you do not like that too much already, as the default is tarballs already and we plan to drop this .gem "nonsense" for future T2 releases
18:42 < rxr> did you already fall in love with it ?
18:42 < AStorm> "nonsense"?
18:42 < rxr> well - why "yet another package format" when vanilla tarballs are that handy ...
18:43 < AStorm> I'd store there 2 files more, maybe
18:43 < AStorm> E.g. dependencies
18:43 < AStorm> (in some form, not yet sure)
18:43 < AStorm> (have to be generic enough as to allow installing compatible packages)
18:44 < rxr> the tarballs has them
18:44 < AStorm> (maybe using library .version would be enough - with optional override too)
18:44 < rxr> in the usual T2 var/adm/* form
18:44 < AStorm> Well, that doesn't store any versioning info.
18:45 < AStorm> Just wait until someone tries to install an old tarball :D
18:45 < rxr> we sort those files to the front of in the tarball so the tar only needs to be partially decoded if just those are read
18:45 < AStorm> Tar is blocked anyway.
18:45 < rxr> the meta data is in it - jsut the install needs to use it
18:45 < AStorm> Shouldn't matter.
18:45 < AStorm> (unless the filesystem doesn't support seeks)
18:45 < rxr> and when you do not have the properitary installer around you still can use tar on any system from the last 20 years or so
18:45 < AStorm> 30 years.
18:46 < rxr> yeah
18:47 < AStorm> Optionally I'll also support .tar.7z
18:47 < rxr> but you can plug any other binary package creation between the build script lines as you wish of course as well
18:47 < rxr> yeah - just 3 lines of code to stick other compressors in :-)
18:49 < AStorm> Yep.
18:50 < AStorm> Still, the devel system has to fit on a pendrive.
18:50 < AStorm> With X and Xfce 4.4
18:50 < AStorm> And a lot of various interpreters/compilers.
18:50 < AStorm> Plus some libs.
18:50 < AStorm> Also other basic software.
18:51 < AStorm> T2 will be good _if_ I manage it to build.
18:51 < AStorm> I'll try the ISO in the chroot now.
18:52 < AStorm> Or maybe... I'll check the cross-compile switch.
18:53 < AStorm> plain LFS lookalike also failed to build here for weird reasons
19:03 < AStorm> I'm trying a cross build now.
19:08 < AStorm> If that'll work, Gentoo Glibc/GCC/Binutils get my personal IGNoble award.
19:27 < AStorm> Huh...
19:27 < AStorm> even the cross build failed like before.
19:27 < AStorm> So something is broken in T2 trunk.
19:28 < rxr> well - trunk works quite perfect on my box
19:29 < rxr> when your LFS attempts already failed maybe there really is some going on ...
19:29 < rxr> maybe just extract another system and chroot into it ...
19:30 < AStorm> I'll do that. Guess which system :P
19:33  * rxr out of office
19:33 < rxr> cu in the morning
19:33 < AStorm> Bye.
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21:00 < Stelz> hello misl :-)
21:01 < misl> hi Stelz :-)
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