--- Log opened Mon Mar 26 00:00:59 2007 00:01 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.6.215.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 01:19 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@kobz-590ca282.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #t2 01:23 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #t2 01:27 -!- mtr [n=Michael@kobz-590cae6c.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:27 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 02:03 -!- d-marc [n=d-marc@HSI-KBW-091-089-006-090.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/"] 02:05 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p85.212.5.15.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 02:13 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.6.215.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:24 -!- AStorm [n=astralst@chello084010114027.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:59 -!- sparc-kly__ [n=mubex@adsl-64-237-249-210.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:37 -!- AStorm [n=astralst@chello089076180089.chello.pl] has joined #t2 07:48 < rxr> re 07:51 < Stelz> rehi rxr 08:13 < rxr> hi Stelz 08:13 [Users #t2] 08:13 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-18] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz] [ valentin] 08:13 [ AStorm ] [ idealm] [ rxr ] [ th ] 08:13 [ Capey ] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ TobiX] 08:13 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal] 08:27 < AStorm> Hi people. 08:28 < AStorm> So, we're in the same, or very close, timezone ;> 08:29 < CIA-18> rene * r23211 /trunk/package/filesystem/dmapi/dmapi.desc: * changed dmapi build priority (183.700 -> 183.701) and added the missing checksum 08:29 < rxr> AStorm: you wrote TU the other day, guess some technical uniservity in germany, hm ? 08:29 < rxr> then we are in the same country ... 08:31 < AStorm> No, Poland. 08:31 < AStorm> It's actually a polytechnic, I wrote TU, because there's no better equivalent in English :> 08:32 < AStorm> The English name is actually "Warsaw University of Technology" (or something full of itself like that) 08:33 < AStorm> (and easy to mix up with The University or Warsaw) 08:33 < AStorm> *of 08:33 < AStorm> Blah. 08:33 < AStorm> :> 08:35 < th> rxr: ahh. you added dmapi. i'm impressed :) 08:36 < AStorm> :O 08:36 < rxr> th: yesterday already ... 08:36 < AStorm> Indeed. 08:36 < th> just saw the r23211 08:37 < AStorm> Guess I've to step up my T2 devel to keep up with him :> 08:37 < AStorm> Hmm... another personal TODO: add chrooting support for Exim 08:37 < rxr> AStorm: in the past Exim chroot worked 08:38 < rxr> I even use it on a server 08:38 < AStorm> I hope so :> 08:38 < rxr> do you get a build error or runtime ? 08:38 < AStorm> So, make that: "fix Exim chrooting support" 08:38 < AStorm> No, it just isn't chrooted. 08:38 < AStorm> There's no option, even. 08:39 < CIA-18> rene * r23212 /trunk/scripts/config.in: 08:39 < CIA-18> * fixed the top-level config script to not hardcode disabling of 08:39 < CIA-18> gettext when DISABLE_NLS is selected, if this functionality indeed 08:39 < CIA-18> is wanted the code should be living inside the gettext package 08:40 < AStorm> It runs as a separate user, though. 08:41 < AStorm> It's good that it doesn't require SUID like certain other servers... when using POSIX capabilities. 08:41 < AStorm> (Just give it the capability for low port numbers, if you need the 25 port) 08:42 < AStorm> If you don't (the proper port numbers are 487 and 567 AFAIR), then it's even better. 08:43 < AStorm> Well, some stupid broken servers do require that you connect to them from port 25 - ignore them :> 08:43 < AStorm> They ignore GMail due to that misconfiguration. 08:44 < AStorm> It's like 0,1% of network servers with stupid fascist admins and hard RBL/SPF :> 08:45 < AStorm> (which aren't needed, anyway - weighted ones are better) 08:45 < AStorm> 08:45 < rxr> :-) 08:47 < AStorm> Simple MX check cuts about... 66% of spam 08:47 < AStorm> (mx of the sending IP, not of the "From" server) 08:47 < AStorm> (as some broken software like Sendmail in the default config assume) 08:49 < AStorm> Hmm, I've to bind CRM114 more closely to Exim, for the mail server I'm running 08:49 < AStorm> Add aliases there and not in /etc/mail/aliases 08:49 < AStorm> More TODOs :P 08:50 < AStorm> Finish own set of scripts, remove maildrop for instance 08:50 < AStorm> (not needed, CRM can deliver on it's own - it has file writing capabilities and can run "flock" :> ) 08:53 < AStorm> Or maybe... I'll leave maildrop in place - and tell users they can do their own filtering with it. :> 08:53 < AStorm> Currently it's a simple sample file for use with CRM114, and each mail account is also a system account with disabled login - a bit less secure than virtual accounts 08:55 < AStorm> THe nicest property of CRM114 is that it doesn't do hell if nobody trains it. 08:55 < AStorm> Just adds its headers with zeroes. 08:59 < AStorm> I run it very conservatively by default - just a [SPAM] tag 08:59 < AStorm> and a mail on the first spam classification on how to use the filter. 09:00 < AStorm> (this means, if someone sends mail to spam-) 09:01 < AStorm> It doesn't necessarily have to be mail to be classified. 09:01 < AStorm> The help info is sent at most once a week :P 09:01 < AStorm> (anti-DoS) 09:36 < rxr> th: should I updload the image to some box over at you? 09:43 < CIA-18> rene * r23213 /trunk/package/x11/blackbox/blackbox.conf: * do not hardcode --disable-nls in blackbox and fixed the file indention on-the-way 09:56 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp 09:57 < sepp> moin :) 09:58 < CIA-18> rene * r23214 /trunk/package/shells/bash/bash.desc: * updated bash (3.2-10 -> 3.2-15) 09:58 < CIA-18> rene * r23215 /trunk/package/python/itools/itools.desc: * updated itools (0.15.1 -> 0.15.2) 10:00 < CIA-18> rene * r23216 /trunk/package/selinux/ (9 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed) 10:00 < CIA-18> * added libsemanage (2.0.1) - SELinux Policy Management tool 10:00 < CIA-18> * updated libsepol (1.16.0 -> 2.0.1) 10:00 < CIA-18> * updated policycoreutils (1.28 -> 2.0.7) 10:00 < CIA-18> * updated selinux-doc (1.24 -> 1.26) 10:00 < CIA-18> * added sepolgen (1.0.6) - Python library for policy generation 10:01 < CIA-18> * updated checkpolicy (1.34.0 -> 2.0.1) 10:02 < CIA-18> rene * r23217 /trunk/package/database/phppgadmin/phppgadmin.desc: * updated phppgadmin (4.1 -> 4.1.1) 10:02 < CIA-18> rene * r23218 /trunk/package/network/phpldapadmin/phpldapadmin.desc: * updated phpldapadmin (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2) 10:03 < CIA-18> rene * r23219 /trunk/package/graphic/inkscape/inkscape.desc: * updated inkscape (0.45 -> 0.45.1) 11:11 < CIA-18> rene * r23220 /trunk/package/perl/perl-getopt-mixed/perl-getopt-mixed.desc: * updated perl-getopt-mixed (1.008 -> 1.10) 11:12 < CIA-18> rene * r23221 /trunk/package/perl/perl-mime-types/perl-mime-types.desc: * updated perl-mime-types (1.18 -> 1.19) 11:38 < Capey> rxr: did you last ref build of wrt2 break? 11:40 < rxr> only on this zebra fork 11:40 < rxr> quagga 11:41 < Capey> hmm, damm... everything else builded right? 11:42 < rxr> think so 11:42 < Capey> i wonder why i get errors from busybox with those sched_*affinity stuff... 11:47 < th> rxr: that would be cool. but i could also start some http get? 11:57 < CIA-18> susan * r23222 /trunk/package/gnome2/gconfmm/gconfmm.desc: * updated gconfmm (2.16.0 -> 2.18.0) 11:58 < CIA-18> susan * r23223 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomemm/libgnomemm.desc: * updated libgnomemm (2.16.0 -> 2.18.0) 11:58 < CIA-18> susan * r23224 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-vfsmm/gnome-vfsmm.desc: * updated gnome-vfsmm (2.16.1 -> 2.18.0) 11:59 < CIA-18> susan * r23225 /trunk/package/gnome2/balsa/balsa.desc: * updated balsa (2.3.13 -> 2.3.14) 12:01 < CIA-18> susan * r23226 /trunk/package/gnome2/quick-lounge-applet/quick-lounge-applet.desc: * updated quick-lounge-applet (2.12.1 -> 2.12.4) 12:01 < CIA-18> susan * r23227 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-python/gnome-python.desc: * updated gnome-python (2.16.2 -> 2.18.0) 12:02 < CIA-18> susan * r23228 /trunk/package/gnome2/enchant/enchant.desc: * updated enchant (1.2.6 -> 1.3.0) 12:04 < rxr> th: have no box on the public IP of this shared office right now 12:04 < rxr> so pushing over the 4mbit link would be more optimal ... 12:04 < rxr> Capey: ah, yeah, saw thos, commened it out 12:04 < CIA-18> susan * r23229 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgksu/libgksu.desc: * updated libgksu (1.3.8 -> 2.0.4) 12:04 < rxr> Capey: likly no support yet for mips ... 12:06 < rxr> Capey: just disavle those busybox stuff not building on mips et al. 12:06 < CIA-18> susan * r23230 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-system-tools-backends/gnome-system-tools-backends.desc: * updated gnome-system-tools-backends (1.4.2 -> 2.2.0) 12:13 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:13 < CIA-18> susan * r23231 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomeuimm/libgnomeuimm.desc: * updated libgnomeuimm (2.16.0 -> 2.18.0) 12:14 < CIA-18> susan * r23232 /trunk/package/gnome2/planner/planner.desc: * updated planner (0.13 -> 0.14.2) 12:23 < rxr> th: some upload url? 13:11 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 13:52 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: @ChanServ, th, R4gnar0k, emte, Capey 14:01 -!- th [n=th@threllis.net] has joined #t2 14:01 -!- Capey [i=pmika@koopa.saunalahti.fi] has joined #t2 14:02 -!- R4gnar0k [n=loki@D8FA4DE6.ptr.dia.nextlink.net] has joined #t2 14:08 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #t2 14:12 < rxr> th: our uni boxes are back on-line 14:12 < rxr> I'll push the 64bit glibc rescue there ... 14:13 -!- ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has joined #t2 14:13 -!- ServerMode/#t2 [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net 14:17 -!- emte [n=emte@d64-180-45-14.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:36 < th> rxr: thanks a lot. that's the best 14:36 < CIA-18> susan * r23233 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomekbd/ (. libgnomekbd.cache libgnomekbd.desc): * added libgnomekbd (2.18.0) - Is an API to manage the keyboard in GNOME applications 14:37 < CIA-18> susan * r23234 /trunk/package/gnome2/gksu/gksu.desc: * updated gksu (1.3.7 -> 2.0.0) 14:38 < rxr> 67436544 92% 359.07kB/s 0:00:14 14:43 < rxr> http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/unstable/7.0-trunk/t-resc-0.6/ 14:44 < rxr> ^- th, booted in Qemu 14:44 < rxr> ignore the udev warning scrolling by :-) 14:44 < rxr> T2-based live cd as usual 14:44 < th> downloading 14:51 < CIA-18> susan * r23235 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (8 files in 8 dirs): * corrected gnome download links back to their normal per-package location 15:06 < th> oehm. do i really need to plug a mouse? 15:06 < th> is there a secret root pw set? 15:06 < th> i could not find a key combination which opens me some xterm 15:06 < th> (i'm talking of the live target) 15:07 < rxr> maybe I ddi not add a key combination 15:07 < rxr> root password should be empty 15:09 < th> i only get /etc/issues's when i try to login 15:09 < th> so it might be empty and the shell broken 15:09 < th> i dont know 15:09 < th> hmm 15:11 < rxr> hm - indeed 15:11 < rxr> damn - on the last release that did work .. 15:11 < rxr> any chance to plug in a mouse to grab an xterm ? 15:13 < rxr> well - I can quickly rebuild it with the blank password working ... 15:13 < th> i can try 15:13 < th> despite being a pure server in a rack, i think a mouse should not be impossible 15:14 < rxr> I can have it rebuild in 10 minutes 15:14 < rxr> most of the time is taken by requashfsing ... 15:14 < rxr> re-squashfs-ing even ... 15:15 < rxr> do you use it for XFS repair or found something else in the meantime ? 15:19 < th> oh wow. 15:19 < th> yes 15:19 < th> i got a term 15:19 < th> i still need it to do the xfs_repair 15:19 < th> but it's currently still in production. so cant do it now 15:19 < th> this build lacks some candy 15:20 < th> like `ping` 15:20 < th> and perhaps telnet 15:20 < th> ohwell and a dhcp client ;) 15:20 < th> dhcpcd perhaps. that's cooler than the ISC crap 15:21 < rxr> it should have udhcpd stuff 15:21 < th> ahh it's no openssh 15:21 < rxr> I know it misses telnet and ping :-) wanted ot hunt some non netkit_ stuff ... 15:21 < rxr> it has dropbear 15:21 < th> yea 15:21 < rxr> we should link it to ssh probably ... 15:22 < th> 15:21:31 < th> ahh it's no openssh 15:22 < rxr> ssh -> dropbear 15:22 < th> it HAS a ssh 15:22 < th> /usr/bin/ssh 15:22 < th> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Mar 26 12:21 /usr/bin/ssh -> dbclient 15:22 < rxr> well - the first rescue was just testing how tiny one can get a T2 live-cd "in a day" 15:22 < th> root:*::::::: 15:22 < th> (/etc/shadow) 15:22 < rxr> yeah - fixed that 15:22 < rxr> patching the * away ... 15:23 < rxr> rsync already running 15:23 < th> it would be even better to set it to some password 15:23 < th> and show the pw in /etc/issue 15:23 < th> because you cant do some things with a blank pw 15:23 < rxr> that would be a good idea as well 15:23 < th> ohh and it needs sshd 15:23 < rxr> it has the dropbear server :-) 15:23 < th> oha 15:23 < th> how do i use that? 15:24 < th> Dropbear sshd v0.49 15:24 < th> mhmh 15:24 < rxr> dropbear 15:24 < rxr> dropbearkey -t rsa -f /etc/dropbear/dropbear_rsa_host_key 15:24 < rxr> et al 15:24 < rxr> the point of the rescue was to be as much as possible under 50MB 15:24 < th> -bash: passwd: command not found 15:25 < rxr> of course with the multilib glibc build I handed you this is pointless ... 15:25 < th> yepp. i'm not complaining. i'm just suggesting for another target... a advanced rescue thing 15:25 < rxr> yeah - the rescue is intended for rescue, not for installation 15:25 < rxr> however I'll ad passwd along ping and telnet to the TODO list :-) 15:25 < th> yea i want to rescue from remote ;) 15:25 < rxr> those are tiny anyway ... 15:26 < th> what the DES of "root"? 15:26 < rxr> th: cut'n paste from another systems :-) 15:27 < th> ahh got it 15:27 < rxr> heh - all thos were on my list already :-) 15:27 < rxr> T-Resc: ping, su, passwd, lsof, telnet, tcpdump 15:27 < rxr> I'll add root password printed in the issue 15:27 < th> wow there is even screen 15:27 < th> is screen a real screen? or a beary droppy screen? 15:28 < rxr> I know no other screen ... 15:28 < rxr> though that would be great as screen sucks ... 15:28 < th> screen sucks? 15:28 < th> why do you think so? 15:28 < rxr> the source ... 15:28 < rxr> I once wanted to make ot cross compile and had to look to deeply into the code ... 15:28 < th> ah ok 15:29 < th> /dev/hda 70M 70M 0 100% /media/live 15:29 < th> /dev/loop0 1007M 15M 992M 2% /mnt/live 15:29 < th> none 1007M 15M 992M 2% /mnt/overlay 15:29 < th> none 1007M 15M 992M 2% /mnt/live 15:30 < th> btw - you meant the 'non-existing users' warnings for udev, right? 15:30 < rxr> yes 15:31 < th> oh you're booting with grub completely? 15:31 < rxr> th: if you ask what the mounting above is about, it is the r/w overlaying with a RAM tmpfs 15:31 < rxr> yes 15:31 < rxr> in T2/trunk you even can select the boot method for x86/x86-64, grub or isolinux ... 15:32 < th> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar 26 12:59 .wh..wh.aufs 15:32 < th> drwx------ 2 root root 40 Mar 26 12:59 .wh..wh.plink 15:32 < th> looks interesting 15:32 < rxr> those are unionfs / aufs write out files ... 15:33 < th> so how would i save my changes permanently? 15:33 < rxr> when a file is unlinked or moved those control meta data are created by the "stacking" unionfs's 15:33 < th> let's say to usb stick? 15:33 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/targets/live/overlays.html 15:33 < rxr> currently we only implemented overlays resisting on the same media 15:34 < th> ahh ok 15:34 < rxr> when you boot from the usbstick you would gain a permanent write overlay with a live-rw-whatever.ext2 file on it ... 15:34 < th> i thought i could just grab my current changes 15:34 < rxr> searching on all devices or manual specification could of course be implemented, likewise 15:34 < rxr> yes you can grab your current changes and restore them on the overlay, yes 15:35 < rxr> the files in the /mnt/overlay directory ... 15:35 < th> ahh yes. 15:35 < th> nice 15:35 < rxr> we should indeed implement searching for the overlay on all avaiable block devices 15:35 < rxr> knoppix appears to do something like that 15:36 < rxr> though I did not find the tme to take a closer look 16:03 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:31 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has joined #t2 16:37 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Cebit-2007/dsc00176.jpg 16:37 [Users #t2] 16:37 [@ChanServ] [ Capey ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz] [ TobiX ] 16:37 [ AStorm ] [ CIA-18] [ R4gnar0k] [ sepp] [ th ] [ valentin] 16:37 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal] 16:41 < Stelz> weeha ;) 16:51 < rxr> hi Stelz 16:51 [Users #t2] 16:51 [@ChanServ] [ Capey ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz] [ TobiX ] 16:51 [ AStorm ] [ CIA-18] [ R4gnar0k] [ sepp] [ th ] [ valentin] 16:51 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal] 17:10 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Cebit-2007/dsc00367.jpg 17:12 < Stelz> hi rxr 18:12 < rxr> tr 18:12 < rxr> re 18:16 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@adsl-64-237-249-210.prtc.net] has joined #t2 18:21 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 18:21 < LMJ> moin moin 18:36 < rxr> moin moin LMJ 18:41 < LMJ> I installed my fresh T2 on my new system, my new system HD is a SATA disk, I also pluged 2 PATA Ide as slave to bring back datas to the SATA HD. Everything was working smoothly. Since yesterday, I removed the PATA hds and i can't boot anymore... I can see the BIOS checkup and it stop with a blinking cursor at the top left corner, nothing else. First, i through I installed grub on a PATA hd my mistake intead of do that on the main SATA hd. 18:41 < LMJ> I reinstalled grub : same problem 18:42 < LMJ> Any ideas why i can't boot anymore ? 19:01 < LMJ> my fault, grub (hdX,X) was misconfigured 19:01 < LMJ> brb 19:01 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:03 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 19:07 < rxr> guess root device not found as it is sda vs. sdb ? 19:07 < rxr> just edit the grub / fstab 19:07 < rxr> or use labels to let the kernel find the device ... 19:07 < LMJ> menu.lst 19:08 < LMJ> fixed already ;) 19:15 < LMJ> ok 19:15 < LMJ> next problem 19:16 < LMJ> I can't select "Alsa stuff" as output plugin Audacious/XMMS program, what i forgot to do ? 19:16 < LMJ> mplayer works --- Log opened Mon Mar 26 19:54:59 2007 19:55 < rxr> test 19:55 < LMJ> test 19:55 < sepp> test 19:55 < LMJ> tset 19:56 < rxr> ok - log works - thanks .-) 19:59 < LMJ> any advice to choose a calendar program ? 20:05 -!- valentin [n=valentin@port-212-202-41-209.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 111 (Connection refused)] 20:05 < Stelz> huh? yeah! orage :) 20:06 < LMJ> humm 20:07 < Stelz> LMJ: from xfce 4.4 20:07 < Stelz> :> 20:07 < LMJ> yes, i know 20:07 < Stelz> so? aren't u happy with it? 20:07 < LMJ> not really 20:09 -!- valentin [n=valentin@port-212-202-41-209.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2 20:23 -!- d-marc [n=d-marc@HSI-KBW-085-216-123-177.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #t2 20:30 < d-marc> hi 20:32 < sepp> hi d-marc 20:32 < Stelz> rehi d-marc --- Log closed Tue Mar 27 00:00:56 2007