T2 IRC Log: 2007-03-27

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--- Log opened Tue Mar 27 00:00:56 2007
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08:28 < rxr> re
08:28 [Users #t2]
08:28 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-18] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz] [ valentin]
08:28 [ AStorm ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ th ]
08:28 [ Capey ] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ TobiX]
08:28 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
08:48 < CIA-18> rene * r23237 /trunk/package/multimedia/lives/lives.desc: * updated lives (0.9.8.3 -> 0.9.8.4)
08:48 < CIA-18> mtr * r23236 /trunk/package/network/twisted/twisted.desc: * updated twisted (2.4.0 -> 2.5.0)
08:50 < CIA-18> rene * r23238 /trunk/package/develop/cxxtools/cxxtools.desc: * updated cxxtools (1.4.3.3 -> 1.4.3.4)
08:54 < rxr> valentin: btw. those PS3 games on a 1680x1050 TFT on the HDMI output kinda rock ...
09:01 < CIA-18> rene * r23239 /trunk/package/base/coreutils/coreutils.desc: * updated coreutils (6.7 -> 6.9)
09:05 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp
09:06 < rxr> hi sepp
09:06 < sepp> moin :)
09:06 < sepp> hi rxr
09:07 < CIA-18> sebastian * r23240 /trunk/package/develop/erlang-otp/erlang-otp.desc: * updated erlang-otp (R11B-2 -> R11B-3)
09:10 < AStorm> moin moin
09:10 < rxr> hi AStorm
09:10 < sepp> hi AStorm
09:10 < AStorm> Hmm... buy me one... or better not, I wouldn't do anything else but play then :P
09:11 < sepp> hehe
09:12 < AStorm> Finally, the stupid homework is done and I can continue doing useful things.
09:14 < AStorm> That's what computer scientists around here do (it's not yet finished on the pic):
09:14 < AStorm> http://www.ee.pw.edu.pl/~szkodzir/webcam/webcam_2007-03-25_214844.jpg
09:15 < AStorm> Who the hell is still drawing using p'n'p :>
09:15 < AStorm> Maybe except architectonic detail.
09:15 < AStorm> Tfu.
09:15 < AStorm> Architectural detail.
09:16 < CIA-18> rene * r23241 /trunk/target/rescue/ (config.in pkgsel rootfs/etc/shadow):
09:16 < CIA-18> * updated the rescue target with the changes from my latest build:
09:16 < CIA-18> enable stuff that just builds with glibc, now
09:16 < CIA-18> * added attr, acl as needed for the XFS tools
09:16 < CIA-18> * clear the root password by default
09:50 < CIA-18> rene * r23242 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.desc: * updated xorg-server (1.2.99.902 -> 1.2.99.903)
09:57 < CIA-18> rene * r23243 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-ati/xf86-video-ati.desc: * updated xf86-video-ati (6.6.3 -> 6.6.191)
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10:32 [Users #t2]
10:32 [@ChanServ] [ Capey ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz] [ TobiX ]
10:32 [ AStorm ] [ CIA-18] [ R4gnar0k] [ sepp] [ th ] [ valentin]
10:32 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal]
10:33 < CIA-18> rene * r23244 /trunk/package/mail/mini_sendmail/ (. install.patch mini_sendmail.cache mini_sendmail.desc): * added mini_sendmail (1.3.5) - A sendmail-like command that feeds its stdin to SMTP relays
10:40 < CIA-18> rene * r23245 /trunk/package/e17/empower/ (. empower.cache empower.desc): * added empower (2007-01-10) - A graphical sudo tool based on the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries
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13:02 < CIA-18> rene * r23246 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/ (ar-usage.patch strongswan.conf strongswan.desc): * updated strongswan (2.8.3 -> 4.1.0)
13:10 < CIA-18> rene * r23247 /trunk/package/textproc/utf8proc/ (. utf8proc.cache utf8proc.conf utf8proc.desc): * added utf8proc (1.0.3) - UTF-8 library
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13:43 < CIA-18> rene * r23248 /trunk/package/archiver/cpio/cpio.desc:
13:43 < CIA-18> * marked cpio for stage 1, so it is available in fresh, cross-built
13:43 < CIA-18> new platforms
13:45 < CIA-18> rene * r23249 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/10-minimal-xorg.in: * build the default xdm, display-manager in the minimal-xorg pre-selection
13:47 < rxr> http://www.kernel.org/images/korg10yr.gif
13:48 < rxr> http://www.kernel.org/970313.08.txt
13:49 < CIA-18> rene * r23250 /branches/6.0/target/generic/pkgsel/10-minimal-xorg.in: * merged r23249 from trunk: build the default xdm, display-manager in the minimal-xorg pre-selection
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15:55 < rxr> hi emte
15:55 [Users #t2]
15:55 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-18] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ TobiX ]
15:55 [ AStorm ] [ emte ] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz] [ valentin]
15:55 [ Capey ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ th ]
15:55 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
16:01 < rxr> I think 6.0 can finally be readied
16:19 < CIA-18> rene * r23251 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/10-minimal-xorg.in:
16:19 < CIA-18> * added xconsole and xsm to the minima-xorg template for a clean xdm
16:19 < CIA-18> functionality, likewise
16:20 < CIA-18> rene * r23252 /trunk/package/xorg/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
16:20 < CIA-18> * removed hardcoding to prefer startkde, the target is suppost do
16:20 < CIA-18> do the branding and minimal builds should just work with twm/xdm
16:21 < CIA-18> rene * r23253 /trunk/target/ (rescue/rootfs/etc/shadow share/livecd/rootfs/etc/shadow):
16:21 < CIA-18> * moved the empty root password for current live images from
16:21 < CIA-18> the rescue to the underlying livecd code so any live build
16:21 < CIA-18> just works
16:36 < CIA-18> rene * r23254 /branches/6.0/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
16:36 < CIA-18> * merged r23251 and r23252 from trunk:
16:36 < CIA-18> * added xconsole and xsm to the minima-xorg template
16:36 < CIA-18> * removed hardcoding prefering startkde
16:54 < CIA-18> rene * r23255 /branches/6.0/target/share/livecd/rootfs/etc/shadow:
16:54 < CIA-18> * (partially) merged r23253 from trunk: empty root password for
16:54 < CIA-18> current live images, so any live build just works
17:01 < CIA-18> rene * r23256 /trunk/package/network/apache/config.in: * enable the apache proxy, cache and disk_cache modules by default
17:02 < Capey> oh, binutils fails on trunk
17:02 < Capey> well patch apply fails to be exact
17:03 < CIA-18> rene * r23257 /trunk/package/network/apache/config.in: * fixed apache/config.in feature config option block white-spacing
17:03 < rxr> Capey: .oO cross or uclibc patch?
17:03 < Capey> uclibc
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17:04 < Capey> uclibc/patches/binutils-100-uclibc-conf.patch
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17:19 < rxr> oh ic
17:21 < Capey> but it's not fixed by just removing those configure.in statements from there
17:21 < Capey> from patch, since thats whats failing
17:23 < CIA-18> rene * r23258 /trunk/package/mail/exim/tls.patch:
17:23 < CIA-18> Lars Kuhtz:
17:23 < CIA-18> * fixed exim TLS support for latest OpenSSL
17:25 < rxr> Capey: just rediff the patch :-)
17:25 < rxr> ANNOUNCE: I do some apache update on our exactcode server, expect SVN et al. to be done in some minutes for some minutes ...
17:26 < Capey> rxr: configure.in is not there anymore
17:26 < Capey> and by removing the unwanted lines, config.guess does not find system info
17:27 < Capey> didnt we have automatic config.guess and config.sub replacer?
17:28 < rxr> I think the uclibc code usually patches those up
17:29 < rxr> strange that the configure.in is not there anymore, it should be
17:35 < Capey> hmm, it has been renamed to configure.ac
17:36 < rxr> no
17:36 < rxr> the .ac is generated to a .in and the .in into the final configure
17:36 < rxr> yes, this is a hell ... and one reason why I do not use auto* for my own projects
17:37 < rxr> maybe they forgot to add it
17:37 < rxr> or they only ship the .ac now anymore ...
17:38 < CIA-18> rene * r23259 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-i810/xf86-video-i810.desc: * updated xf86-video-i810 (1.9.92 -> 1.9.93)
17:41 < LMJ> moin moin
17:42 < Capey> rxr: yeah looks like they only ship with .ac
17:43 < LMJ> gcombust fails in Trunk, here is the error : http://pastebin.ca/412198 is there a way to fix it ?
17:44 < Capey> LMJ: should be by updating config.sub and config.guess
17:44 < Capey> i think we had a flag or something that does this automatically
17:45 < Capey> i get the same result as you on binutils when cross compiling to mips
17:45 < Capey> with uclibc
17:50 < rxr> LMJ: mark it [F] AUTOMAKE-QUIRK in the .desc
17:50 < LMJ> ok
17:54 < rxr> and let us know if it worked .-)
17:54 < LMJ> compilation started
17:56 < LMJ> =[9]=> Finished building package gcombust.
17:56 < LMJ> thanks
17:56 < LMJ> you can commit ;)
17:57 < CIA-18> rene * r23260 /trunk/package/x11/gcombust/gcombust.desc: * marked gcombust AUTOMAKE-QUIRK for x86-64 et al.
17:58 < LMJ> what package provide mkisofs ?
18:00 < rxr> cdrtools in the past, and cdrkit, now
18:00 < LMJ> ok, thanks
18:01 < rxr> though the one in cdrkit might be named differently - we might like to provide a compat symlink I think
18:01 < LMJ> !> Found shared files with other packages:
18:01 < LMJ> !> usr/share/man/man1/cdda2ogg.1: cdrkit cdrtools
18:01 < LMJ> !> usr/share/man/man1/cdrecord.1: cdrkit cdrtools
18:01 < LMJ> !> Due to previous errors.
18:02 < LMJ> arg
18:02 < LMJ> got this error more and more since a couple of days
18:02 < rxr> for cdrkit this does not matter much
18:02 < rxr> cdrkit is the modern, freed variant
18:02 < rxr> where do you get that else?
18:02 < rxr> some gnome package ?
18:03 < LMJ> hard to say, i had some during the last week, when i started to compile a desktop target from a minimal t2 cd
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18:05 < LMJ> genisoimage == mkisofs ?
18:10 < LMJ> looks like
18:10 < rxr> oeh - yeah
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18:51 < LMJ> i'm trying to setup the Horde framework... + modules : what a mess
18:54 < rxr> Your statement can be boiled down to:
18:54 < rxr> The O/S is so horribly written and bloated with un-needed features that no matter how fast your computer is it can never possibly process the system calls and manage file handles fast enough for Windows Vista to provide the user with a timely interaction experience.
18:54 < rxr> ^- lol -v
18:54 < rxr> http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1358057&SiteID=17
18:58 < LMJ> Post was useful ? YES :-P
19:04 < rxr> so - server updates, man that was a fun again
19:20 < CIA-18> rene * r23261 /branches/6.0/package/mail/exim/tls.patch: * merged r23258 from trunk: fixed exim TLS support for latest OpenSSL
19:22 < rxr> heh: http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Jan/bch20060123034350.htm
19:29 < emte_> only 34 errors on a device with almost half a billion transistors ... i'd say that is pretty good
19:31 < rxr> I doubt that are all
19:31 < rxr> pretty old list anyway
19:32 < rxr> sure there are plenty of hardware bugs in any silicon to work around ...
19:32 < rxr> just read a osnews.org interview and felt like post that link ...
19:32 < rxr> the AMD Geode companion i/o chip alone has over 40 errata in the last revision I looked at ...
19:33 < R4gnar0k> o_o
19:33 < rxr> tough maybe USB fluff is less strict designed than the real CPU core ...
19:33 < emte_> less demand on it
19:34 < CIA-18> rene * r23262 /branches/6.0/package/x11/lesstif/c++.patch: * merged r22767 from trunk: fixed lesstif for inclusion by an C++ compiler
19:34 < emte_> anyway if most people understood transmission theory or even the basics of it, most errata comes from it
19:35 < emte_> and the smaller they go with higher clockspeeds the worse it gets
19:36 < emte_> even if MAD tries to ignore the clock/frequency issue
19:36 < emte_> AMD*
19:36 < emte_> its the largets barrier they have
19:36 < emte_> largest*
19:36 * emte_ needs a new kbd
19:36 < emte_> or fingers
19:36 < rxr> :-)
20:47 < LMJ> rxr : I need to add a flag when we compile Deluge (fresh packaged added by me : GTK Bittorrent client) IF 64bits compilation, then ADD in the setup.py "-DAMD64" to the "extra args" in the Extension
20:49 < LMJ> if not, the UI is bug'ed
20:49 < LMJ> it will be fixed in the next version anyway
20:56 < rxr> if [ $arch = x86-64 ]; then
20:56 < rxr> var_append pyopt ' ' '-DAMD64'
20:56 < rxr> fi
20:56 < rxr> I hope / think
20:57 * rxr off of office in some seconds
20:57 < rxr> http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/incoming/
20:58 < rxr> ^- /me uploading 6.0.3 LiveCD/minimal-x11 for x86, x86-64, ppc and ppc64
20:58 < rxr> sprac to follow
20:58 < rxr> images will show up there the next 15m ...
20:58 < rxr> cu then
21:06 < Stelz> cu rxr
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