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00:00 < sepp> then rxr will read it and answer - he did the avr32 work ...
00:00 < write_erase> do you have his email ?
00:01 < sepp> better send it to the mailinglist
00:01 < write_erase> ok
00:01 < sepp> gets archived and one can google things later
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08:17 < rene> re
08:17 < rene> moin
08:17 < sepp> moin rene :)
08:19 < Stelz> rehi rene, sepp :)
08:20 < sepp> dobry dien :)
08:20 < Stelz> dobroe utro, sepp :)
08:20 < sepp> hehe
08:23 < rene> hi Stelz
08:23 < rene> hi all
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11:52 < write_erase> Hi rxr.
11:52 < rxr> hi write_erase
11:52 < write_erase> I heard you were the maintainer of avr32 branch ?
11:52 < rxr> yep
11:55 < write_erase> I try to compile t2 with T2_TRUNK / GENERIC_EMBEDDED / avr32 / AP7000 optimisations / DISABLE NLS , and I get the following error
11:55 < write_erase> on ucLibc :
11:56 < write_erase> (hold on, until I paste you a fresh compilation error message )
12:02 < write_erase> Sorry, The re-compilation of uClibc is a bit long ..but This is some trouble with usr/include common files
12:02 < rxr> I can wait
12:02 < rxr> I hang around whole days, usually
12:04 < write_erase> rxr, what kind of AVR32 board you have ?
12:04 < rxr> the STK1000
12:04 < rxr> and you ?
12:04 < write_erase> I have NGW100 ...
12:04 < write_erase> :-)
12:04 < rxr> ah, wanted to order one as well just for testing
12:04 < rxr> in which country are you located, and where did you order the board ?
12:04 < write_erase> You have already boot a T2 linux kernel & T2 filesystem ?
12:05 < rxr> yes, sure
12:05 < write_erase> France... local reseller ... .
12:05 < rxr> we even showcasted the thing on CeBIT
12:05 < write_erase> rxr, you are from Atmel ?
12:05 < rxr> nope, I'm from ExactCODE
12:05 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/architectures/avr32.html
12:06 < rxr> e> France... local reseller ... .
12:06 < write_erase> Ok , happy to meet you... Hope I can help you on thiis project
12:06 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Hardware/AVR32/
12:06 < write_erase> Where are you from ?
12:06 < rxr> Germany, Berlin
12:07 < write_erase> Here is the log :
12:07 < write_erase> http://rafb.net/p/M5nEMm73.html
12:07 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/CeBIT/2007/&index=71
12:08 < write_erase> Nice :-)
12:08 < rxr> hm, what distribution are you building on?
12:08 < rxr> did you change the "flist detection technique" setting in the Config ?
12:09 < write_erase> I'm ordering 640x480 TFT LCD from AXIS x50v PDA.... for my board
12:09 < write_erase> Distro Debian Etch
12:09 < write_erase> flist not changed
12:09 < rxr> hm, ok, strange
12:09 < write_erase> Could you explain me what's wrong ?
12:09 < write_erase> So I can troubleshoot
12:09 < rxr> if that is the only error (that is there is nothing important one hidden while the tail of the file was displayed)
12:10 < rxr> it's just that the build system "thinks" that usr/include is in two packages, 00-dirtree and uclibc
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12:10 < rxr> I never saw such an error message
12:11 < write_erase> rxr, how this detection is done ? by diffing the rootfs before and after the make install ? or something like that ?
12:11 < rxr> can you open build/.../var/adm/logs/1-uclibc.err and look if there is another error message in the file?
12:11 < rxr> write_erase: no, not by default:; this diffing is slow and does not work with parallel builds
12:12 < rxr> by default an T2 flist-wrapper is used, it's a .so shared object which is preloaded and wraps open,read,write, etc.
12:12 < write_erase> Ok I understand
12:12 < rxr> that is way faster, and works with parallel build packages
12:12 < rxr> the find and diff is available optionally
12:12 < rxr> but it is seldomly used
12:13 < rxr> if there is no real error ini the log you could rename the 1-uclibc.err into 1-uclibc.log and let the build continue for
12:13 < rxr> now
12:13 < write_erase> Is there some verbose mode available to see what the wrapper
12:13 < write_erase> thinks .
12:13 < rxr> the wrapper could be compiled with debugging enabled
12:13 < rxr> but you need to edit a file for that
12:14 < rxr> I would propose to rather rename the log file if there is no real other error and let the build continue
12:14 < rxr> to get working binaries and a feeling for T2 until you start debugging this
12:17 < write_erase> Is there something special to do with your kernel and UBOOT on the AVR32 device ?
12:17 < write_erase> (when the compilation is done)
12:17 < rxr> well - I'm not sure if the current T2 kernel for the STK1000 will boot on the NGW100
12:17 < rxr> I wanted to order the NFW100 for some weeks now but the resellers in Germany are a bit lagging and annoying ...
12:18 < rxr> the current AVR32 kernel built by T2 is the 2.6.20+AVR32 patches for the STK1000
12:18 < rxr> maybe it works on the NGW100 as well, but I do not know off hand (e.g. different wiring and also some fixed device condig like the LCD and such not present on the NGW100)
12:18 < write_erase> OK, the boards are quite the same .... the STK1000 has more devices, but the core is the same
12:18 < write_erase> :-)
12:18 < rxr> yes, the AP7000
12:19 < rxr> the board comes preloaded with a kernel, right?
12:19 < write_erase> Yeah ...
12:19 < rxr> I would start coping T2 built binaries onto the device and use the board kernel for the bigging
12:19 < rxr> when you gained some experience just replace the kernel at the end when you are more familiar with the boot loader and debugger
12:19 < rxr> one thing to note
12:20 < write_erase> I already have the DHCP/TFTP upgrade method, so no problem if it goes wrong
12:20 < rxr> ah, ok
12:20 < rxr> one thing to note:
12:20 < rxr> atmel had to change the u-boot image ID while they where shipping the boards
12:20 < rxr> this was because they picked the next best free in u-boot when they did the inital hardware over a year ago
12:21 < rxr> and in the meantime this ID was given to I think it was the Blackfin architecture
12:21 < rxr> so they where assigned another official one
12:21 < rxr> the T2 u-boot mkimage currently uses the old one as boards in the field so far used the old one
12:21 < rxr> and would need to reflash the u-boot loader in the flash to recognize the new ID
12:21 < rxr> I guess the NGW100 is new enough to come with the new u-boot using the new ID by default
12:22 < rxr> in that case you need to add a patch to u-boot to use the new ID
12:22 < write_erase> What is this ID used for ? something about the partitions magics ?
12:22 < rxr> not partition but kernel magic
12:22 < write_erase> ah ok
12:23 < rxr> just to prevent to accidently load a kernel for another architecture
12:23 < rxr> ah, no I think T2/trunk already uses the new ID
12:24 < rxr> I have a local downdate to use the old ID on our boards
12:24 < write_erase> I can't upgrade UBOOT, 'cause I fried my JTAG ICE
12:24 < rxr> heh
12:24 < write_erase> I'll check these ID if that don't boot
12:25 < rxr> well - I also did not update our boards, yet
12:25 < rxr> T2/trunk should use the recent ID already
12:25 < rxr> u-boot will complain verbosely when the ID does not match
12:25 < rxr> something about unsupported architecture IIRC
12:27 < write_erase> Has MPLAYER AVR32 optimisations ?
12:29 < rxr> nope, only patched to compile
12:29 < rxr> if you find assembly optimizations I'm happy to add them
12:29 < rxr> due to patent reasons atmel can not open their mplayer patches they did for performance tests
12:30 < rxr> they fear mp3 and co patent lawyers coming around then ...
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12:40 < rxr> what the fuck: Sch?uble ?bernimmt Schirmherrschaft des LinuxTag
12:40 < rxr> ^- valentin !?!?!!?!!?
12:40 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0705/52176.html
12:41 < valentin> hm ? Bundestrojaner becomes open source ;-)
12:41 < rxr> somehow my motivation to run a T2 booth there now dropped by about 100%
12:45 < valentin> why ? you went there before when schilly was innenminister...
12:46 < rxr> hm - last time I was on linuxtag was about 2003 or so ...
12:46 < valentin> ic
12:46 < rxr> though Schaeuble is way more stupid and evil than Schilly ...
12:47 < rxr> can't believen somehow this puppy was given some pseudo "schirmherrschafts" position ..
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12:51 < valentin> oehm, schirmherrschaft is not "given"
12:52 < rxr> what he takes it ?
12:52 < valentin> he offers it
12:52 < valentin> and it has been accepted
12:53 < rxr> they could have accepted a more competant person
12:53 < rxr> (or none)
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12:57 < valentin> why ? i'd even appreciate bill gates for that position... by doing so schauble says linux is a good thing. much better than some people in the american administration who claim open source is for communists
12:58 < rxr> did you know microsoft and Novell have a Linux foundationtion thing?
12:58 < rxr> and Dell joined it, now ?
12:59 < valentin> yeah, what ever
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13:03 < write_erase> rxr, did you meet this one :
13:04 < write_erase> !> avr32-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc -g -O2 -o gzip bits.o crypt.o deflate.o gzip.o inflate.o lzw.o trees.o unlzh.o unlzw.o unpack.o unzip.o util.o zip.o lib/libgzip.a
13:04 < write_erase> !> gzip.o: In function `treat_file':
13:04 < write_erase> !> gzip.c:(.text+0x17d0): relocation truncated to fit: R_AVR32_16N_PCREL against symbol `quiet' defined in .bss section in gzip.o
13:04 < rxr> not that I remeber
13:04 < rxr> though I might not have built gzip
13:04 < rxr> I build some in-house mobile-device target
13:05 < rxr> and gzip is unlikely to be included
13:05 < rxr> O 01-------- 102.040 archiver gzip 1.3.11 / base/tool CROSS DIETLIBC 0
13:05 < rxr> yes, gzip is not included in my avr32 default test-build
13:05 < write_erase> My first attempt was a GENERIC_EMBEDDED without any work on package selection
13:05 < rxr> you can just deselect it for now
13:05 < write_erase> Ok ... I'll remove it
13:06 < rxr> likely the a busybox included version is enough
13:06 < rxr> you have to addd mplayer into your selection as well
13:06 < rxr> the default generic embedded target does not include it
13:06 < rxr> btw. I just wrote some paragraphs about target creation in the currently rewritten T2 handbook
13:06 < rxr> did you had a look into the handbook already
13:08 < write_erase> I read some parts ...
13:09 < write_erase> I'm having a look on package selection - New targets
13:20 < write_erase> rxr, should I alter config/xxxx/packages to remove packages ?
13:22 < rxr> you can either edit target/embedded/config.in or enable the expert config section, as well as custom package selection and then add rules like:
13:22 < rxr> O gzip
13:22 < rxr> X mplayer
13:24 < write_erase> Ok
13:28 < rxr> valentin: heise.de: "Wie auf der Website der Tagungsorganisation betont wird, ist die ?bernahme der Schirmherrschaft durch das Bundesinnenministerium eine Tradition, die vom Linuxtag seit f?nf Jahren gepflegt wird. Eine politische Wertung sei mit der Schirmherrschaft nicht verbunden."
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13:59 < write_erase> rxr, there's definitely a problem with uclibc (on 2 differents PC / builds ) Same distro Debian Testing. I have to rename log to err
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14:14 < rxr> re
14:16 < rxr> ok, I make a note and try to reproduce this
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15:02 < rxr> heh, adding the Sony HidMD to the Qemu VM made the whole VM very kinda sluggish
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15:07 < CIA-9> rene * r23980 /trunk/package/graphic/gnofract4d/install.patch: * removed outdated, non-applying patch from gnofract4d
15:27 < rxr> oh, this Qemu slowness with usb host devices is a known limitation, damn
15:29 < write_erase> rxr, /home/olivier/avr32/t2-trunk/download/mirror/a/acpi-dsdt-initrd-v0.8.4-2.6.21.patch: No such file or directory while compiling the kernel
15:32 < write_erase> Isn't these files downloaded at compilation time ?
15:36 < write_erase> architecture/avr32/package/linux26/9-avr32-fixes.patch is missing too ... ./scripts/Download -cfg system -required is OK
15:38 < rxr> write_erase: when did you checkout your t2 trunk/ ?
15:38 < rxr> just recently?
15:38 < rxr> or a week ago ?
15:38 < write_erase> today
15:38 < write_erase> this morning ?
15:40 < rxr> hm, ok then there still is a bug with the overlaying
15:40 < rxr> that is a generic, new T2 feature - not related to AVR32 as it
15:40 < rxr> I take a quick look
15:48 < rxr> somehow I have the feeling this error does not happen on my side
15:48 < rxr> one more minute for a test-build
15:51 < write_erase> rxr, architecture/avr32/package/linux26/9-avr32-fixes.patch and download/mirror/a/acpi-dsdt-initrd-v0.8.4-2.6.21.patch are not present on my system. Is that a download problem ? or some dependancy error ?
15:52 < rxr> the second one should not be needed
15:52 < rxr> it would be downloaded for normal, e.g. x86 end-user system builds s...
15:52 < rxr> the former should be part of t2
15:52 < rxr> what does this output:
15:53 < rxr> # svn st architecture/avr32/package/linux26/9-avr32-fixes.patch
15:54 < write_erase> returns nothing
15:55 < write_erase> But the file exists
15:55 < rxr> ins't it the one you wrote is missing =
15:55 < rxr> ?
15:56 < write_erase> I"m sorry ... I try to rebuild to get a fresh error
15:58 < rxr> hm - here it built
15:58 < rxr> == 05/09/07 15:56:11 =[1]=> Finished building package linux26.
15:59 < rxr> but when you get these files missing the probably still is a bug hiding in the new package overlay / inherit feature of T2
16:00 < write_erase> cp: cannot stat `arch/avr32/boot/images/uImage': No such file or directory
16:03 < rxr> is that the only error?
16:03 < write_erase> olivier@blackpearl:~/avr32/t2-trunk$ sudo file architecture/avr32/package/linux26/9-avr32-fixes.patch
16:03 < write_erase> architecture/avr32/package/linux26/9-avr32-fixes.patch: ASCII English text
16:04 < write_erase> Apply patch architecture/avr32/package/linux26/9-avr32-fixes.patch ...
16:04 < write_erase> sed: can't read architecture/avr32/package/linux26/9-avr32-fixes.patch: No such file or directory
16:04 < write_erase> There's something strange
16:04 < rxr> do you run the Build-Target with sudo ?
16:04 < write_erase> yes all the time sudo
16:04 < rxr> intersting that it works that well at all ...
16:04 < write_erase> I hate working as root
16:05 < rxr> in the past sudo caused more problems ...
16:05 < rxr> well, anyway it should work
16:05 < write_erase> I can try as full root
16:05 < rxr> no - wait
16:05 < rxr> let's try to really nail this down
16:05 < rxr> T2 is suppost to just work
16:05 < rxr> everything else is a bug
16:05 < write_erase> Do you want I upload the full linux2.6.err ?
16:05 < rxr> you are in the t2-trunk directory and run sudo ./scripts/Build-Target ??
16:06 < write_erase> olivier@blackpearl:~/avr32/t2-trunk$ sudo ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg myavr
16:08 < rxr> ok
16:08 < rxr> ok - do you have a place to place the full log ?
16:08 < rxr> btw the uImage probaly is not there because you don't have uboot in the generic embedded package selection
16:09 < rxr> so near the O gzip and X mplayer in the pkgsel rules add: X u-boot
16:09 < write_erase> oh ... I'm stupid for uImage... should have guessed
16:11 < write_erase> For testing, I only have : X 00-dirtree X linux-header X linux26 X binutils X gcc X u-boot #X quagga X dropbear
16:11 < write_erase> u-boot just added
16:12 < rxr> ok - maybe I can reproduce the missing acpi file indeed
16:12 < write_erase> Is gcc required for the toolchain ? and linux-header too ?
16:12 * rxr rechecking
16:12 < write_erase> or I can remove them ?
16:12 < rxr> no - they are required for the toolchain
16:12 < rxr> linux-header defines the kernel ABI parts
16:13 < rxr> and the gcc package is used to bootstap a fresh and up-to-date cross compiler in the beginning of the build
16:13 < rxr> this does not mean you have to include them on your sd cards
16:13 < rxr> just needed to build all the other stuff
16:13 < write_erase> ok ... Now I have uboot added , how can make that work ?
16:13 < write_erase> I mean, just recompiling ? and the u-boot will be automagicaly used ?
16:16 < rxr> yes, a rebuild will first build u-boot and then the linux kernel again
16:16 < rxr> (if it still failed before)
16:17 < rxr> hm - I see 2 bugs here
16:17 < rxr> first the build does not abort on missing patch files due to the patch filter of the linux kernel package
16:17 < rxr> and second there are patches from D tags currently not activated
16:17 < rxr> with u-boot your kernel should buildl nontheless
16:18 < rxr> though I'll have to hunt those bugs .... :-(
16:20 < write_erase> You mean 9-avr32-fixes.patch and acpi-dsdt-initrd-v0.8.4-2.6.21.patch.. are not required ?
16:20 < rxr> acpi not
16:21 < write_erase> == 05/09/07 16:18:15 =[1]=> Finished building package linux26
16:21 < write_erase> But without avr32-fixes
16:21 < rxr> the avr32 one should is applied here:
16:21 < rxr> develop/t2-trunk/architecture/avr32/package/linux26/9-avr32-fixes.patch
16:21 < rxr> patching file arch/avr32/kernel/ptrace.c
16:21 < rxr> patching file arch/avr32/mm/cache.c
16:21 < rxr> patching file include/asm-avr32/dma-mapping.h
16:22 < rxr> there where some issues without that
16:22 < rxr> ah yes, CF (compact flash) does not work without hte patch
16:22 < rxr> and possible something strace related neither
16:23 < rxr> are all of the architecture/avr32/package/linux26/*.patch files not beeing applied ?
16:24 < write_erase> Apply patch /home/olivier/avr32/t2-trunk/architecture/avr32/package/linux26/9-avr32-fixes.patch ...
16:24 < write_erase> patching file arch/avr32/kernel/ptrace.c
16:24 < write_erase> Apply patch /home/olivier/avr32/t2-trunk/download/mirror/a/acpi-dsdt-initrd-v0.8.4-2.6.21.patch ...
16:24 < write_erase> sed: can't read /home/olivier/avr32/t2-trunk/download/mirror/a/acpi-dsdt-initrd-v0.8.4-2.6.21.patch: No such file or directory
16:24 < write_erase> Redefining VERSION ...
16:24 < write_erase> It's ok , althought there are 2 attempts for the same patch
16:25 < rxr> so the avr32-fixes is applied correclty, just the acpi one (what should not be tried in the first place) isn't ?
16:25 * rxr grabing a fresh coffee
16:33 < rxr> so - re
16:38 < write_erase> minit.c:19:17: error: fmt.h: No such file or directory
16:38 < rxr> guess it misses some dependency
16:39 < write_erase> It's a long way to compile T2 ... sorry for annoying you
16:39 < write_erase> Doesn't T2 manage dependancies ?
16:39 < rxr> yes, but when a target selects something minimal it's suppost that the target knows what it does
16:41 < write_erase> ok ... Understood
16:41 < rxr> ok, fmt.h usually comes from libowfat
16:41 < rxr> it should be selected in the embedded build
16:41 < rxr> was it build already ?
16:42 < write_erase> Nope
16:42 < rxr> really not ?
16:42 < write_erase> Not present in my package configuration
16:42 < rxr> oh, did you remove it ?
16:44 < rxr> btw. yes we know the scripts/Config is too slow, that is why we already started to rewrite it ...
16:44 < rxr> (just so you do not run away due to the annoyingly slow Config, ... :-)))
16:44 < rxr> write_erase: I now started a generic-embedded-avr32 test-build on my side as well
16:47 < write_erase> great
16:55 < CIA-9> rene * r23981 /trunk/scripts/config-functions.in:
16:55 < CIA-9> * removed indenting spacing from a config-functions.in code-block that
16:55 < CIA-9> had an enclosing conditional untl the lua accelerator was introduced
17:04 < CIA-9> rene * r23982 /trunk/target/embedded/config.in:
17:04 < CIA-9> * removed duplicate pkgconfig selection in the embedded target
17:04 < CIA-9> * improved the embedded target to only offer the dietlibc choice
17:04 < CIA-9> if the dietlibc is actually available (for the CPU architecture)
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18:06 < LMJ> moin moin
18:07 < rxr> moin moin LMJ
18:08 < LMJ> how was your weekend ?
18:08 < rxr> ok nice, every timeslot filled with susan's friends in south germany around the wedding celebration, but fine
18:09 < rxr> in fact in 2 months we'll be down for the next wedding to celebrate ...
18:11 < LMJ> ;)
18:12 < LMJ> at the end of the summer, one of my friend choose me to be his groomsman
18:15 < rxr> :-) at this wedding susan was the maid of honor
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18:53 < rxr> hi write_erase
18:54 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
18:55 < misl> hi folks
18:56 < rxr> hi one
18:58 < misl> hi two ;-)
18:58 < write_erase> hi ...
18:58 < rxr> .oO (the borgs of Star Trek come to mind)
18:58 < write_erase> rxr, I"m adding all dependencies I removed
18:58 < rxr> misl: how are you ?
18:59 < misl> rxr: fine thx
18:59 < misl> how about you
18:59 < misl> how did LinuxTag go ?
19:04 < rxr> it's in the future
19:04 < rxr> beg. of June
19:05 < rxr> if you mean last weekend, we have been on a wedding celebration in south germany :-)
19:07 < write_erase> !> checking build system type... i686-nocross-linux-gnu
19:07 < write_erase> !> checking host system type... Invalid configuration `avr32-t2-linux-uclibc': machine `avr32-t2' not recognized
19:07 < write_erase> !> configure: error: /bin/sh ./support/config.sub avr32-t2-linux-uclibc failed
19:08 < write_erase> While readline compilation .
19:08 < rxr> which package is this ?
19:08 < write_erase> readline
19:09 < R4gnar0k> moin moin
19:09 < rxr> mon moin R4gnar0k
19:09 < R4gnar0k> how's it going?
19:09 < rxr> fine, thanks - had a sort of "relaxing" extended weekend, and you ?
19:10 < R4gnar0k> I wish :) ohwell the normal weekend was relaxing too
19:12 < rxr> write_erase: I have a local tweak to fixup more of those avr32 not recognized in package/base/automake/parse-config
19:12 < rxr> I did not yet commit it as it did not yet pass the 2800 package reference build ...
19:13 < write_erase> ok, I remove readline until you fix it
19:13 < rxr> wauit
19:13 < rxr> wait
19:13 < rxr> you have some program experience and read diffs ?
19:13 < rxr> --- package/base/automake/parse-config (revision 23978)
19:13 < rxr> +++ package/base/automake/parse-config (working copy)
19:13 < rxr> @@ -41,6 +41,7 @@
19:13 < rxr> }
19:13 < rxr>
19:13 < rxr> # some packages do not include an up-to-date config.{sub,guess}
19:13 < rxr> -if ! atstage toolchain && hasflag AUTOMAKE-QUIRK; then
19:13 < rxr> +if hasflag AUTOMAKE-QUIRK ||
19:13 < rxr> + [ $arch = 'avr32' ] || [ $arch = 'bfin' ]; then
19:13 < rxr> hook_add preconf 3 automake_fixup
19:13 < rxr> fi
19:14 < rxr> just perform the tiny edit and give it a go
19:14 < rxr> oh, this must be blackfin even after the latest rename ...
19:14 < rxr> anyway, you just care about avr32 anyway :_)
19:15 < write_erase> build/myavr-7.0-trunk-mediavr-avr32-ap7000-cross/var/adm/packages/readline should not be present
19:15 < write_erase> can I remove them by hand ?
19:15 < rxr> remove what ?
19:15 < write_erase> the file that should not be present
19:15 < write_erase> as i removed readline in my package selection
19:16 < rxr> you you get that on the end of the build I guess?
19:16 < write_erase> sorry "should not be present" is a T2 warning message.
19:16 < write_erase> yes
19:16 < rxr> at the bulid end you could ignore it, it is just indicating that the files should not be part of the final system
19:16 < rxr> but this tiny meta data files, especially in your first-try t2 build will not matter
19:18 < write_erase> The image is located at ..... Done !
19:18 < write_erase> Great !
19:20 * rxr presses the thumbs it also works :-)))
19:20 < rxr> I guess you disabled openssl ?
19:20 < rxr> as I just notice it does not build in avr32/generic-embedded
19:21 < write_erase> hehe yes for my 1st attempt
19:22 < write_erase> are the binaries stripped ?
19:24 < write_erase> rxr, What's the next step for booting NGW100 ?
19:29 < rxr> I would test singles binaries on the board first
19:32 < write_erase> Do atmel use the same libc ?
19:32 < CIA-9> rene * r23983 /trunk/package/security/openssl/openssl.conf:
19:32 < CIA-9> * fixed openssl to build the generic C code for all architectures with
19:32 < CIA-9> the associated endianess defines when assembly optimizations are not
19:32 < CIA-9> available (unified mips, arm that already ussing the generic code)
19:32 < rxr> yes, but only because no newer uclibc is available for avr32
19:32 < rxr> usually t2 builds use way newer libraries and compiler than the aging vendor ones
20:02 < rxr> vastly revisited: http://www.t2-project.org/documentation/
20:02 < rxr> more work tomorrow
20:02 * rxr hading home
20:02 < rxr> write_erase: I'll be back tomorrow morning for your avr32 questions
20:03 < rxr> feel free to write me a mail to rene @ exactcode . de if you like to queue something up
20:03 < rxr> cu all
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20:10 < d-marc> hello
20:14 < Stelz> cu rxr, hi d-marc :)
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22:35 < BusError> Hi guys; been recommended this channel/project :D
22:37 < sepp_> hi BusError
22:38 < BusError> When I looked at the website I didn't find a comparison with stuff like 'buildroot' etc... is it a similar goal at all ?
22:38 < BusError> must say I'm wary of buildroot; and I'm looking for a 'stable' alternative :D
22:40 < sepp_> i dont know what buildroot is :/
22:41 < sepp_> ok read it :)
22:42 < BusError> buildroot is 'the' standard thing for making embedded distros. openembedded and crew use that, as well as many others.
22:43 < sepp_> openembedded was the stuff used for openzaurus and that?
22:43 < BusError> problem is, it's a moving target. no 'freezes' etc, it's impossible to use. You do a 'svn update' to try to get a fix for a problem and it breaks something else :/
22:43 < write_erase> BusError, There are no code freeze or releases ?
22:44 < BusError> nope, none that I know of anyway..
22:44 < sepp_> there is a stable and devel t2 version ;)
22:45 < BusError> yesh, I see that, how novel :D
22:45 < sepp_> :)
22:47 < BusError> so, given say a PowerPC405GP, could I build a distro with a 2.4.x, my own sicko patches, and apps etc and have a reasonable way to configure it ? Like which toolchain, which fielsystem format etc ?
22:47 * BusError dreams :D
22:48 < sepp_> 2.4.x kernel?
22:48 < BusError> yup
22:48 < sepp_> you can do that, not very hard
22:49 < BusError> with T2 as it is then ?
22:49 < sepp_> dont know why one would want to use 2.4 but ... not hard
22:49 < BusError> I have a bunch of drivers that I don't want to port for no good reasons :D
22:50 < BusError> FPGA related stuff, DSP interface etc
22:51 < BusError> right now the distro is hardhat; I want to get rid of it
22:52 < sepp_> well, default is udev and afaik that will not work with 2.4 - or was it something else?
22:54 < sepp_> the rest is easy, i use it for that reason, only the apps i want, no 500 filesystems etc
22:54 < sepp_> dont need 20 mail clients and 4 desktop/wms ...
22:55 < BusError> well I do embedded stuff, I don't want /any/ email client or desktop :D
22:55 < sepp_> but the idea is the same
22:58 < sepp_> you choose what you want and build it in a sane way
22:58 < BusError> So T2 is Linux 2.6 only ?
22:59 < sepp_> there is 2.4 but i dont care about embedded stuff or 2.4 so i do not know about that
22:59 < sepp_> in the t2 tree
23:00 < BusError> oh ok
23:00 < write_erase> sepp_, what do you use T2 for ?
23:02 < sepp_> small desktop with e17 and no silly deps for optional gnome/kde features(crap) i dont like
23:03 < write_erase> ok
23:07 < sepp_> something that easily fits onto 1 CD, has all the things i use but nothing more
23:10 < write_erase> You compile for i386 ?
23:10 < sepp_> x86_64
23:20 < CIA-9> sebastian * r23984 /trunk/package/games/wesnoth/wesnoth.desc: * updated wesnoth (1.2.1 -> 1.2.4)
23:26 < CIA-9> sebastian * r23985 /trunk/package/games/sauerbraten/ (. sauerbraten.cache sauerbraten.conf sauerbraten.desc): * added sauerbraten (2007_04_15) - A 3d open source first person shooter
23:35 < sepp_> and sometimes i play stupid games :p
23:49 < write_erase> How can I get the full list of avaliable T2 package
23:50 < R4gnar0k> ls package/*
23:51 < write_erase> oh, no lxdoom ....
23:53 < sepp_> 2842 packages in my tree
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