T2 IRC Log: 2007-05-13

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--- Log opened Sun May 13 00:00:40 2007
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09:20 < misl> hi folks
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11:09 < CIA-9> lars * r24049 /trunk/target/desktop/pkgsel:
11:09 < CIA-9> * Added pinentry to the pkgsel of the desktop target.
11:09 < CIA-9> Kmail needs this package in order to beeing able
11:09 < CIA-9> to make use of gpg-agent. It seems to be the only
11:09 < CIA-9> way to get openpgp mail-decryption working with kmail.
11:17 < rxr> re
11:18 < rxr> heh, didn't even know we had such a package :-)
11:48 < CIA-9> susan * r24050 /trunk/package/network/valknut/valknut.desc: * updated valknut (0.3.8.1 -> 0.3.9)
11:50 < CIA-9> susan * r24051 /trunk/package/develop/hte/hte.desc: * updated hte (2.0.5 -> 2.0.6)
11:54 < CIA-9> susan * r24052 /trunk/package/doc/howtos/howtos.desc: * updated howtos (20070429 -> 20070513)
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12:47 < sepp_> 1-groff fails because of missing c++ support
12:49 < CIA-9> rene * r24053 /trunk/package/editors/vim/ (desc.patch vim.desc): * updated vim (7.0 -> 7.1)
12:49 < rxr> sepp_: with gcc-4.2, hm?
12:49 < sepp_> yes, trunk
12:50 < rxr> are headers not found? than my rediff of this gxx header patch of gcc is incorrect, messed up
12:50 < rxr> though trunk/desktop@live built for me
12:50 < rxr> is it some C++ header like vector or so not found?
12:50 < rxr> or what's the exact error ?
12:50 < sepp_> let me open config.log
12:51 < sepp_> configure:2487: x86_64-t2-linux-gnu-gcc -c -g -O2 conftest.c >&5
12:51 < sepp_> conftest.c:2: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'me'
12:51 < sepp_> configure:2493: $? = 1
12:51 < sepp_> configure: failed program was:
12:51 < sepp_> | #ifndef __cplusplus
12:51 < sepp_> | choke me
12:51 < sepp_> | #endif
12:52 < rxr> heh ?
12:52 < sepp_> weird log
12:53 < rxr> maybe the issue is gcc used on c++ file ?
12:53 < sepp_> lol, that was the wrong one
12:53 < sepp_> conftest.cc:10: error: 'void std::exit(int)' should have been declared inside 'std'
12:54 < sepp_> with
12:54 < sepp_> | #ifdef __cplusplus
12:54 < sepp_> | extern "C" void std::exit (int) throw (); using std::exit;
12:54 < sepp_> | #endif
12:54 < rxr> is there an error about not found file on include above ?
12:55 < sepp_> the exact error is "error: 'void std::exit(int)' should have been declared inside 'std'"
12:56 < rxr> nothing before?
12:56 < rxr> interesting
12:56 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 169163 May 12 21:52 build/default-7.0-trunk-reference-x86-athlon-xp/var/adm/logs/1-groff.log
12:56 < rxr> on my macbook as live and the reference builder it built -^
12:56 < rxr> what cpu target do you bulid ?
12:56 < sepp_> i can build that in the sandbox
12:56 < sepp_> x86_64
12:57 < sepp_> strange thing
12:58 < rxr> ok, I only tested 32bit so far
12:58 < rxr> because I want to pubish the resulting livecd soon
12:58 < rxr> and most people still have 32bit ...
12:58 < rxr> I can give the 64bit path a try as well
12:59 < sepp_> http://rafb.net/p/DJeMNb35.html
13:01 < sepp_> ^- g++ version 4.2.0 20070501 ...
13:04 < sepp_> just wanted to let you know, have to leave now
13:04 < sepp_> cu
13:04 < rxr> cu sepp_
13:05 < rxr> I see how my amd64 test-build goes
13:20 < CIA-9> rene * r24054 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc.conf:
13:20 < CIA-9> * removed --without-system-libunwind from gcc.conf, which slipped
13:20 < CIA-9> accidently in with r24046 as well as a spurious blank line
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13:34 < LMJ> is it save to update udev on a working x86_64 T2 box ? I have the %e bug
13:34 < rxr> depends how old the t2 install is
13:34 < rxr> recent or 6.0 ?
13:35 < rxr> if you have no problem I would not mess with udev
13:37 < LMJ> almost sync'ed to trunk
13:37 < LMJ> so, pretty recent
13:38 < rxr> when it's almost synced, pretty recent you could update udev
13:38 < LMJ> gonna svn up & have a try
13:38 < rxr> just big jumps of udev, like 080 -> 11x are not really a cake
13:41 < LMJ> It should be ok
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14:00 < rxr> hi mtr_
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14:46 < pdinoto> well, still no luck building my own t2 system:
14:46 < pdinoto> t-resc fails at util-linux and
14:47 < pdinoto> rtbt fails at linux26.
14:47 < pdinoto> perhaps I am doing something wrong... I fear
14:51 < rxr> stay on the rescue, rtbt is incomplete, though linux26 should build
14:52 < rxr> anyway, I review right now what's up with util-linux on the rescue
14:52 < pdinoto> oh, hi!
14:52 < pdinoto> here is the output:
14:52 < pdinoto> http://rafb.net/p/HYpvHt69.html
14:52 < rxr> yes, I saw this already
14:53 < rxr> I think you posted it already
14:53 < rxr> I need a src.util-linux tree to debug
14:53 < rxr> I just continued my local build, I should hit it soon
14:53 < pdinoto> yep, but guess the pastebin expired already.
14:53 < pdinoto> Will keep mine to see if there are differences (in case it builds on you system)
14:53 < rxr> btw. such short snipplets could be pasted here, like:
14:53 < rxr> mkfs.c:46: error: 'LC_ALL' undeclared (first use in this function)
14:54 < rxr> also trains google to locate our irc log :_)
14:54 < pdinoto> BTW, I am sorry I can't debug it any deeper yet, still trying to get grasp of the system :-)
14:55 < rxr> it sould just be some disable NLS something like that issue with util-linux vs. uclibc
14:55 < rxr> I'll see soon
14:55 < pdinoto> Ah, I see. That is a good reason. I did that search before coming here for help.
14:57 < rxr> oh, I changed the rescue to use glibc anyway, strange that really should build
14:58 < pdinoto> Is the change to glibc a definitive decision, or just a test?
15:01 < rxr> it differs not much from the former cvs snapshot we had
15:02 < rxr> it's more like a little polishing that should not cause much touble if at all
15:02 < rxr> why do you ask ?
15:05 < pdinoto> simply curiosity...
15:05 < pdinoto> I am considering using T2 as the dev env for a
15:05 < pdinoto> embedded-like AVL solution.
15:06 < pdinoto> Our first tests were with uClibc buildroot.
15:07 < pdinoto> I got to T2 t-resc for its small X footprint.
15:07 < pdinoto> (never managed to build modular X.org as kdrive...)
15:08 < rxr> ah you mean rescue and glibc
15:08 < rxr> I thought you meant the glibc update recently
15:08 < rxr> well, I changed rescue to use glibc, because I want zfs support and the zfs-fuse code currently does not work when built with uclibc
15:09 < pdinoto> yes, that was my point.
15:09 < rxr> also for amd64 I wanted multilib support, ...
15:09 < rxr> you can change the rescue to use uclibc notheless
15:09 < pdinoto> oh, so it was part of the special build for yout friend you mentioned.
15:09 < rxr> (or other t2 targes like embedded, or define your own)
15:09 < pdinoto> s/yout/your
15:09 < rxr> you can just open the config
15:09 < rxr> enable expert options
15:09 < rxr> custom package selection
15:10 < rxr> and then add the rules:
15:10 < rxr> O glibc
15:10 < rxr> X uclibc
15:10 < pdinoto> oh, i was a little scared to touch anything there.
15:11 < pdinoto> maybe the change helps with this particular build-error...
15:15 < rxr> I doubt - I guess it's a generic util-linux error with --disable-nls
15:15 < rxr> it's used on the rescue to recude space a bit more
15:15 < CIA-9> rene * r24055 /trunk/target/ (t2rtbt/config.in wrt2/config.in):
15:15 < CIA-9> * marked t2rtbt as incomplete, changed wrt2 mark from
15:15 < CIA-9> experimental to incomplete
15:24 < pdinoto> I got to go,
15:24 < rxr> ok - cu then
15:24 < pdinoto> thanks for your support!
15:30 < rxr> you're welcome
15:30 < rxr> thanks for the feedback :-)
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15:53 < write_erase> hi.
15:53 < rxr> hi write_erase
15:53 < write_erase> Are there sucessful attempt to use T2 on freeBSD ?
15:54 < rxr> to be honest: no idea
15:54 < rxr> you want to use it on freebsd?
15:54 < rxr> to build an embedded or to build a FreeBSD ?
15:55 < write_erase> Build Linux embedded system under FreeBSD environement ... clear ?
15:55 < rxr> ok
15:55 < rxr> I guess some fixes would be required
15:55 < rxr> we are open to do that tweaks
15:55 < write_erase> I think I'll try to maintain it
15:55 < rxr> t2 should be useful to build on most other operating systems
15:55 < rxr> the more the better
15:57 < write_erase> Great... I'll start work on that...
15:58 < rxr> make sure to publish patches early and often
15:58 < rxr> we have a pretty mailing list for that
15:58 < write_erase> Sure...
15:58 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/contact/
15:58 < rxr> so that others can comment, help and so on ...
15:59 < rxr> some people hesitate to publish early when it's not 100% ready
15:59 < rxr> but that often leads to long stalls and lost works
15:59 < write_erase> you're right
15:59 < rxr> so - /me off for lunch - cu all later
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15:59 < write_erase> bye
18:10 < rxr> re
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18:30 < rxr> moin misl
18:36 < CIA-9> rene * r24056 /trunk/package/x86/powertop/ (. powertop.cache powertop.conf powertop.desc): * added powertop (1.0) - A tool that helps you find what software is using the most power
18:48 < misl> rehi :-)
18:53 < rxr> wb misl
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18:54 < misl> hi rxr
19:02 < write_erase> would you mind if I remove all the absolute path to system binaries ex:uname .... ?
19:09 < rxr> write_erase: not really, though the few uname calls need to be absolute, because we have a uname wrapper which is in the PATH otherwise
19:09 < rxr> and the build system must get the real value, not the one returned by our uname wrapper
19:09 * rxr rebooting for a kernel test - back in a sec
19:10 < write_erase> This one is an example :
19:10 < write_erase> - arch_build="`/bin/uname -m | sed 's/ppc/powerpc/'`-nocross-linux-gnu"
19:10 < write_erase> + arch_build="`uname -m | sed 's/ppc/powerpc/'`-nocross-linux-gnu"
19:11 < write_erase> That fails on freebsd
19:12 < rxr> ok - not
19:13 < rxr> just placing uname everywhere will not work correctly when you later build t2,
19:13 < rxr> as then some values will be the uname wrapper returned ones instead of the real system ones
19:16 < write_erase> ok
19:34 < rxr> is the samwyse from the mailing list here?
20:18 < CIA-9> rene * r24057 /trunk/architecture/share/kernel-common.conf.m4:
20:18 < CIA-9> * removed CONFIG_USB_DYNAMIC_MINOR from the default config
20:18 < CIA-9> (causes some user-space regressions
20:18 < CIA-9> * instead added CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND, suppost to save a W of
20:18 < CIA-9> energy why suspending the USB controller if not in use
20:18 < CIA-9> * enable CONFIG_TIMER_STATS by default for Intel's powertop
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22:43 < tri> hi
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22:43 < Stelz> hello, tri
22:43 < PSt> hello
22:45 < Stelz> hi
22:46 < tri> a new vim is released :-)
22:47 < PSt> I have some problems with the target "router". The copying of the entire iproute2 and the iptables package goes wrong. Following error:
22:49 < PSt> cp: omitting directory `/opt/t2-project/t2-6.0.3/build/router-6.0.3-router-x86-i486/etc/iproute2|usr/lib/tc|usr/share/doc/iproute2 ...''.
22:49 < PSt> Has somebody an idea whats going wrong?
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22:55 < tri> hm
22:55 < tri> if i want to start x i get failed to load module pcidata _
22:56 < sepp> i think the router target is not maintained any longer, i dont see it in trunk
22:56 < sepp> most probably it should also be removed in the 6.0 tree
22:59 < PSt> I use T2 Version 6.0.3 and I can select it with ./scripts/Config.
23:02 < sepp> *) 2006-11-05
23:02 < sepp> r20679* removed the very obsolete router target, people still try to build it :-(
23:03 < sepp> guess there is a forgotten mummy in the 6.0 tree
23:04 < sepp> check http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/6.0/target/router/router.txt ;)
23:04 < sepp> a documented mummy :p
23:07 < PSt> It seems to be a good example to create a small glibc based distribution. build.sh creates an ISO image, an initrd, ... It looks good for beginners like me.
23:08 < sepp> small and glibc? oximoron ;)
23:09 < sepp> maybe look at embedded
23:12 < sepp> if you want to build a not so big glibc based thingy with or without x you can use 'generic' with minimal or minimal-xorg package template
23:13 < sepp> but that will not be something for router embedded use
23:13 < PSt> May not small but for me clearly. Ok, I will have a look at embedded and generic. Thanks for the hints.
23:18 < sepp> there is also minimal-desktop, well, for minimal desktops, no gnome/xfce but qt and kdelibs (dont know why)
23:18 < sepp> but gtk and such things
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23:24 < PSt> I need only a small as possible glibc based distribution to boot it over a network with pxe, using packages like screen, ntp and dhcp and connect it to a nfs-server.
23:24 < sepp> ahhh, ok
23:27 < PSt> I try now generic-minimal and modify it for my purposes.
23:29 < sepp> good luck :)
23:32 < sepp> does not actually look very different than the router target
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23:46 < tri> gn8
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