--- Log opened Sun May 13 00:00:40 2007 00:40 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]"] 01:59 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@kobz-590ca0a9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #t2 02:11 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 02:14 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has joined #t2 02:16 -!- mtr [n=Michael@kobz-590ca8a0.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:16 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 05:08 -!- Netsplit over, joins: CIA-8 05:08 -!- Netsplit pratchett.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Stelz, R4gnar0k, BusError, @ChanServ, LMJ, mtr, TobiX, idealm, CIA-9, Dallur 05:08 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @ChanServ, Stelz, mtr, idealm, TobiX, BusError, CIA-9, Dallur, LMJ, R4gnar0k 05:14 -!- Netsplit pratchett.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: R4gnar0k, BusError, LMJ, mtr, CIA-9 05:14 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mtr 05:15 -!- Netsplit over, joins: R4gnar0k 05:16 -!- BusError [n=buserror@80.68.82.10] has joined #t2 05:16 -!- CIA-9 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #t2 05:16 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 07:50 -!- pdinoto [n=pdinoto@host108.190-30-190.telecom.net.ar] has joined #t2 09:20 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 09:20 < misl> hi folks 10:45 -!- d-marc [n=d-marc@HSI-KBW-091-089-001-012.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #t2 11:09 < CIA-9> lars * r24049 /trunk/target/desktop/pkgsel: 11:09 < CIA-9> * Added pinentry to the pkgsel of the desktop target. 11:09 < CIA-9> Kmail needs this package in order to beeing able 11:09 < CIA-9> to make use of gpg-agent. It seems to be the only 11:09 < CIA-9> way to get openpgp mail-decryption working with kmail. 11:17 < rxr> re 11:18 < rxr> heh, didn't even know we had such a package :-) 11:48 < CIA-9> susan * r24050 /trunk/package/network/valknut/valknut.desc: * updated valknut (0.3.8.1 -> 0.3.9) 11:50 < CIA-9> susan * r24051 /trunk/package/develop/hte/hte.desc: * updated hte (2.0.5 -> 2.0.6) 11:54 < CIA-9> susan * r24052 /trunk/package/doc/howtos/howtos.desc: * updated howtos (20070429 -> 20070513) 12:34 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:47 < sepp_> 1-groff fails because of missing c++ support 12:49 < CIA-9> rene * r24053 /trunk/package/editors/vim/ (desc.patch vim.desc): * updated vim (7.0 -> 7.1) 12:49 < rxr> sepp_: with gcc-4.2, hm? 12:49 < sepp_> yes, trunk 12:50 < rxr> are headers not found? than my rediff of this gxx header patch of gcc is incorrect, messed up 12:50 < rxr> though trunk/desktop@live built for me 12:50 < rxr> is it some C++ header like vector or so not found? 12:50 < rxr> or what's the exact error ? 12:50 < sepp_> let me open config.log 12:51 < sepp_> configure:2487: x86_64-t2-linux-gnu-gcc -c -g -O2 conftest.c >&5 12:51 < sepp_> conftest.c:2: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'me' 12:51 < sepp_> configure:2493: $? = 1 12:51 < sepp_> configure: failed program was: 12:51 < sepp_> | #ifndef __cplusplus 12:51 < sepp_> | choke me 12:51 < sepp_> | #endif 12:52 < rxr> heh ? 12:52 < sepp_> weird log 12:53 < rxr> maybe the issue is gcc used on c++ file ? 12:53 < sepp_> lol, that was the wrong one 12:53 < sepp_> conftest.cc:10: error: 'void std::exit(int)' should have been declared inside 'std' 12:54 < sepp_> with 12:54 < sepp_> | #ifdef __cplusplus 12:54 < sepp_> | extern "C" void std::exit (int) throw (); using std::exit; 12:54 < sepp_> | #endif 12:54 < rxr> is there an error about not found file on include above ? 12:55 < sepp_> the exact error is "error: 'void std::exit(int)' should have been declared inside 'std'" 12:56 < rxr> nothing before? 12:56 < rxr> interesting 12:56 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 169163 May 12 21:52 build/default-7.0-trunk-reference-x86-athlon-xp/var/adm/logs/1-groff.log 12:56 < rxr> on my macbook as live and the reference builder it built -^ 12:56 < rxr> what cpu target do you bulid ? 12:56 < sepp_> i can build that in the sandbox 12:56 < sepp_> x86_64 12:57 < sepp_> strange thing 12:58 < rxr> ok, I only tested 32bit so far 12:58 < rxr> because I want to pubish the resulting livecd soon 12:58 < rxr> and most people still have 32bit ... 12:58 < rxr> I can give the 64bit path a try as well 12:59 < sepp_> http://rafb.net/p/DJeMNb35.html 13:01 < sepp_> ^- g++ version 4.2.0 20070501 ... 13:04 < sepp_> just wanted to let you know, have to leave now 13:04 < sepp_> cu 13:04 < rxr> cu sepp_ 13:05 < rxr> I see how my amd64 test-build goes 13:20 < CIA-9> rene * r24054 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc.conf: 13:20 < CIA-9> * removed --without-system-libunwind from gcc.conf, which slipped 13:20 < CIA-9> accidently in with r24046 as well as a spurious blank line 13:24 -!- d-marc [n=d-marc@HSI-KBW-091-089-001-012.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/"] 13:34 < LMJ> is it save to update udev on a working x86_64 T2 box ? I have the %e bug 13:34 < rxr> depends how old the t2 install is 13:34 < rxr> recent or 6.0 ? 13:35 < rxr> if you have no problem I would not mess with udev 13:37 < LMJ> almost sync'ed to trunk 13:37 < LMJ> so, pretty recent 13:38 < rxr> when it's almost synced, pretty recent you could update udev 13:38 < LMJ> gonna svn up & have a try 13:38 < rxr> just big jumps of udev, like 080 -> 11x are not really a cake 13:41 < LMJ> It should be ok 13:58 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@kobz-590cbcf7.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #t2 14:00 [Users #t2] 14:00 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ mtr ] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz ] 14:00 [ BusError] [ idealm] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ] 14:00 [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto] [ sepp_ ] [ valentin] 14:00 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 14:00 < rxr> hi mtr_ 14:16 -!- mtr [n=Michael@kobz-590ca0a9.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:16 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 14:28 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:46 < pdinoto> well, still no luck building my own t2 system: 14:46 < pdinoto> t-resc fails at util-linux and 14:47 < pdinoto> rtbt fails at linux26. 14:47 < pdinoto> perhaps I am doing something wrong... I fear 14:51 < rxr> stay on the rescue, rtbt is incomplete, though linux26 should build 14:52 < rxr> anyway, I review right now what's up with util-linux on the rescue 14:52 < pdinoto> oh, hi! 14:52 < pdinoto> here is the output: 14:52 < pdinoto> http://rafb.net/p/HYpvHt69.html 14:52 < rxr> yes, I saw this already 14:53 < rxr> I think you posted it already 14:53 < rxr> I need a src.util-linux tree to debug 14:53 < rxr> I just continued my local build, I should hit it soon 14:53 < pdinoto> yep, but guess the pastebin expired already. 14:53 < pdinoto> Will keep mine to see if there are differences (in case it builds on you system) 14:53 < rxr> btw. such short snipplets could be pasted here, like: 14:53 < rxr> mkfs.c:46: error: 'LC_ALL' undeclared (first use in this function) 14:54 < rxr> also trains google to locate our irc log :_) 14:54 < pdinoto> BTW, I am sorry I can't debug it any deeper yet, still trying to get grasp of the system :-) 14:55 < rxr> it sould just be some disable NLS something like that issue with util-linux vs. uclibc 14:55 < rxr> I'll see soon 14:55 < pdinoto> Ah, I see. That is a good reason. I did that search before coming here for help. 14:57 < rxr> oh, I changed the rescue to use glibc anyway, strange that really should build 14:58 < pdinoto> Is the change to glibc a definitive decision, or just a test? 15:01 < rxr> it differs not much from the former cvs snapshot we had 15:02 < rxr> it's more like a little polishing that should not cause much touble if at all 15:02 < rxr> why do you ask ? 15:05 < pdinoto> simply curiosity... 15:05 < pdinoto> I am considering using T2 as the dev env for a 15:05 < pdinoto> embedded-like AVL solution. 15:06 < pdinoto> Our first tests were with uClibc buildroot. 15:07 < pdinoto> I got to T2 t-resc for its small X footprint. 15:07 < pdinoto> (never managed to build modular X.org as kdrive...) 15:08 < rxr> ah you mean rescue and glibc 15:08 < rxr> I thought you meant the glibc update recently 15:08 < rxr> well, I changed rescue to use glibc, because I want zfs support and the zfs-fuse code currently does not work when built with uclibc 15:09 < pdinoto> yes, that was my point. 15:09 < rxr> also for amd64 I wanted multilib support, ... 15:09 < rxr> you can change the rescue to use uclibc notheless 15:09 < pdinoto> oh, so it was part of the special build for yout friend you mentioned. 15:09 < rxr> (or other t2 targes like embedded, or define your own) 15:09 < pdinoto> s/yout/your 15:09 < rxr> you can just open the config 15:09 < rxr> enable expert options 15:09 < rxr> custom package selection 15:10 < rxr> and then add the rules: 15:10 < rxr> O glibc 15:10 < rxr> X uclibc 15:10 < pdinoto> oh, i was a little scared to touch anything there. 15:11 < pdinoto> maybe the change helps with this particular build-error... 15:15 < rxr> I doubt - I guess it's a generic util-linux error with --disable-nls 15:15 < rxr> it's used on the rescue to recude space a bit more 15:15 < CIA-9> rene * r24055 /trunk/target/ (t2rtbt/config.in wrt2/config.in): 15:15 < CIA-9> * marked t2rtbt as incomplete, changed wrt2 mark from 15:15 < CIA-9> experimental to incomplete 15:24 < pdinoto> I got to go, 15:24 < rxr> ok - cu then 15:24 < pdinoto> thanks for your support! 15:30 < rxr> you're welcome 15:30 < rxr> thanks for the feedback :-) 15:53 -!- write_erase [n=olivier@bon13-2-82-237-125-220.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 15:53 < write_erase> hi. 15:53 < rxr> hi write_erase 15:53 < write_erase> Are there sucessful attempt to use T2 on freeBSD ? 15:54 < rxr> to be honest: no idea 15:54 < rxr> you want to use it on freebsd? 15:54 < rxr> to build an embedded or to build a FreeBSD ? 15:55 < write_erase> Build Linux embedded system under FreeBSD environement ... clear ? 15:55 < rxr> ok 15:55 < rxr> I guess some fixes would be required 15:55 < rxr> we are open to do that tweaks 15:55 < write_erase> I think I'll try to maintain it 15:55 < rxr> t2 should be useful to build on most other operating systems 15:55 < rxr> the more the better 15:57 < write_erase> Great... I'll start work on that... 15:58 < rxr> make sure to publish patches early and often 15:58 < rxr> we have a pretty mailing list for that 15:58 < write_erase> Sure... 15:58 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/contact/ 15:58 < rxr> so that others can comment, help and so on ... 15:59 < rxr> some people hesitate to publish early when it's not 100% ready 15:59 < rxr> but that often leads to long stalls and lost works 15:59 < write_erase> you're right 15:59 < rxr> so - /me off for lunch - cu all later 15:59 [Users #t2] 15:59 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ pdinoto ] [ sepp_] [ valentin ] 15:59 [ BusError] [ LMJ ] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz] [ write_erase] 15:59 [ CIA-9 ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX] 15:59 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 15:59 < write_erase> bye 18:10 < rxr> re 18:16 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 18:30 < rxr> moin misl 18:36 < CIA-9> rene * r24056 /trunk/package/x86/powertop/ (. powertop.cache powertop.conf powertop.desc): * added powertop (1.0) - A tool that helps you find what software is using the most power 18:48 < misl> rehi :-) 18:53 < rxr> wb misl 18:54 [Users #t2] 18:54 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ] 18:54 [ BusError] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto ] [ sepp_] [ valentin ] 18:54 [ CIA-9 ] [ misl ] [ R4gnar0k] [ Stelz] [ write_erase] 18:54 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 18:54 < misl> hi rxr 19:02 < write_erase> would you mind if I remove all the absolute path to system binaries ex:uname .... ? 19:09 < rxr> write_erase: not really, though the few uname calls need to be absolute, because we have a uname wrapper which is in the PATH otherwise 19:09 < rxr> and the build system must get the real value, not the one returned by our uname wrapper 19:09 * rxr rebooting for a kernel test - back in a sec 19:10 < write_erase> This one is an example : 19:10 < write_erase> - arch_build="`/bin/uname -m | sed 's/ppc/powerpc/'`-nocross-linux-gnu" 19:10 < write_erase> + arch_build="`uname -m | sed 's/ppc/powerpc/'`-nocross-linux-gnu" 19:11 < write_erase> That fails on freebsd 19:12 < rxr> ok - not 19:13 < rxr> just placing uname everywhere will not work correctly when you later build t2, 19:13 < rxr> as then some values will be the uname wrapper returned ones instead of the real system ones 19:16 < write_erase> ok 19:34 < rxr> is the samwyse from the mailing list here? 20:18 < CIA-9> rene * r24057 /trunk/architecture/share/kernel-common.conf.m4: 20:18 < CIA-9> * removed CONFIG_USB_DYNAMIC_MINOR from the default config 20:18 < CIA-9> (causes some user-space regressions 20:18 < CIA-9> * instead added CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND, suppost to save a W of 20:18 < CIA-9> energy why suspending the USB controller if not in use 20:18 < CIA-9> * enable CONFIG_TIMER_STATS by default for Intel's powertop 21:08 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p85.212.40.10.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 21:25 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.182.41.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:58 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:13 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 22:28 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]"] 22:42 -!- tri [n=tri@pd9ee2b2e.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 22:43 < tri> hi 22:43 -!- PSt [n=Peter@p54BD0A94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 22:43 < Stelz> hello, tri 22:43 < PSt> hello 22:45 < Stelz> hi 22:46 < tri> a new vim is released :-) 22:47 < PSt> I have some problems with the target "router". The copying of the entire iproute2 and the iptables package goes wrong. Following error: 22:49 < PSt> cp: omitting directory `/opt/t2-project/t2-6.0.3/build/router-6.0.3-router-x86-i486/etc/iproute2|usr/lib/tc|usr/share/doc/iproute2 ...''. 22:49 < PSt> Has somebody an idea whats going wrong? 22:51 -!- pdinoto [n=pdinoto@host108.190-30-190.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:55 < tri> hm 22:55 < tri> if i want to start x i get failed to load module pcidata _ 22:56 < sepp> i think the router target is not maintained any longer, i dont see it in trunk 22:56 < sepp> most probably it should also be removed in the 6.0 tree 22:59 < PSt> I use T2 Version 6.0.3 and I can select it with ./scripts/Config. 23:02 < sepp> *) 2006-11-05 23:02 < sepp> r20679* removed the very obsolete router target, people still try to build it :-( 23:03 < sepp> guess there is a forgotten mummy in the 6.0 tree 23:04 < sepp> check http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/6.0/target/router/router.txt ;) 23:04 < sepp> a documented mummy :p 23:07 < PSt> It seems to be a good example to create a small glibc based distribution. build.sh creates an ISO image, an initrd, ... It looks good for beginners like me. 23:08 < sepp> small and glibc? oximoron ;) 23:09 < sepp> maybe look at embedded 23:12 < sepp> if you want to build a not so big glibc based thingy with or without x you can use 'generic' with minimal or minimal-xorg package template 23:13 < sepp> but that will not be something for router embedded use 23:13 < PSt> May not small but for me clearly. Ok, I will have a look at embedded and generic. Thanks for the hints. 23:18 < sepp> there is also minimal-desktop, well, for minimal desktops, no gnome/xfce but qt and kdelibs (dont know why) 23:18 < sepp> but gtk and such things 23:20 -!- keinek [n=chatzill@201.250.1.68] has joined #t2 23:24 < PSt> I need only a small as possible glibc based distribution to boot it over a network with pxe, using packages like screen, ntp and dhcp and connect it to a nfs-server. 23:24 < sepp> ahhh, ok 23:27 < PSt> I try now generic-minimal and modify it for my purposes. 23:29 < sepp> good luck :) 23:32 < sepp> does not actually look very different than the router target 23:40 -!- keinek [n=chatzill@201.250.1.68] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007031001]"] 23:46 < tri> gn8 23:46 -!- tri [n=tri@pd9ee2b2e.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:55 -!- write_erase [n=olivier@bon13-2-82-237-125-220.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:55 -!- PSt [n=Peter@p54BD0A94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #t2 [] 23:58 -!- Stelz [i=stelz@unaffiliated/stelz] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] --- Log closed Mon May 14 00:00:41 2007