T2 IRC Log: 2007-05-17
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--- Log opened Thu May 17 00:00:44 2007
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01:58 < Boubie> hi t2 is Suuuuuper!
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08:57 < misl> hi folks
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09:09 < mtr> hi misl
09:09 < misl> hi mtr
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10:55 < rxr> re
10:56 < rxr> moin misl and misl
10:56 [Users #t2]
10:56 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
10:56 [ babygor ] [ idealm] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz]
10:56 [ CIA-9 ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX]
10:56 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
11:00 < rxr> aus T-Com wird T-Home, na toll ...
11:08 < mtr> moin rxr
11:09 < misl> morning rxr
11:29 < CIA-9> rene * r24087 /trunk/package/graphic/libpng/libpng.desc: * updated libpng (1.2.17 -> 1.2.18), fixes major regression introcuded in 1.2.17, which was suppost to be a SECURITY fix
11:33 < CIA-9> rene * r24088 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.13.2 -> 0.9.14)
11:34 < CIA-9> rene * r24089 /trunk/package/perl/perl-dbi/perl-dbi.desc: * updated perl-dbi (1.55 -> 1.56)
11:39 < CIA-9> rene * r24090 /trunk/package/network/ (asterisk/asterisk.desc asterisk-addons/asterisk-addons.desc):
11:39 < CIA-9> * updated asterisk (1.4.2 -> 1.4.1)
11:39 < CIA-9> * updated asterisk-addons (1.4.0 -> 1.4.1)
11:41 < rxr> ah, damn
11:41 < rxr> too early
11:41 < rxr> -ENOCOFFE
11:43 < CIA-9> rene * r24091 /trunk/package/network/asterisk/asterisk.desc: * reverted accidently downdate of asterisk in r24090
11:52 < CIA-9> rene * r24092 /trunk/package/graphic/libexif/libexif.desc: * updated libexif (0.6.13 -> 0.6.14)
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12:12 < CIA-9> rene * r24093 /trunk/package/filesystem/zisofs-tools/zisofs-tools.desc: * updated zisofs-tools (1.0.7 -> 1.0.8)
12:20 < CIA-9> rene * r24094 /trunk/package/network/squid/squid.desc: * updated squid (2.6.STABLE12 -> 2.6.STABLE13)
12:20 < CIA-9> rene * r24095 /trunk/package/develop/boost/boost.desc: * updated boost (1_33_1 -> 1_34_0)
12:34 < rxr> sepp: apparently I just messed up either the coordinates when I manaully inserted the test data, or later one when I edited the db
12:34 < rxr> sepp: I just fixed the sepp, mtr and jsaw coordinates in the db and that's just fine now
13:03 < CIA-9> rene * r24096 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-nv/xf86-video-nv.desc: * updated xf86-video-nv (2.0.2 -> 2.0.96)
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14:38 < babygor> morning everyone!
14:39 < rxr> morning babygor
14:39 [Users #t2]
14:39 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ]
14:39 [ babygor ] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ sepp_] [ valentin]
14:39 [ CIA-9 ] [ idealm] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz]
14:39 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
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14:43 < tri> re
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15:30 < tri> re
15:33 < tri> isn't there the adduser script on a t2 system ?
15:44 < sepp_> useradd
15:49 < rxr> re
15:52 < tri> hm if i try useradd -g users -d /home/tri -m tri
15:52 < tri> i get useradd: Ungültiges numerisches Argument >>users<<
15:53 < sepp_> o_O
15:55 < rxr> hm
15:55 < rxr> I can reproduce
15:55 < rxr> but we do not do something specifc with the useradd, it should be the useradd virtually every Linux is shipping
15:55 < sepp_> which one of the many numeric arguments is actually numeric?
15:55 < sepp_> lol
15:56 < rxr> maybe it wants the group in numeric form?
15:58 < CIA-9> rene * r24097 /trunk/package/network/samba/ (samba.desc sparc.patch): * updated samba (3.0.24 -> 3.0.25)
15:58 < tri> no doesnt work
15:59 < tri> useradd: unbekannte Grupe 100 (unkown group 100)
16:00 < rxr> hm, indeed interesting
16:01 < tri> how are you adding new users to the t2 system - edit /etc/passwd ?
16:01 < rxr> r19552 | rene | 2006-09-12 09:36:50 +0000 (Tue, 12 Sep 2006) | 2 lines
16:01 < rxr> * updated shadow (4.0.14 -> 4.0.18.1)
16:01 < rxr> in 6.0 we have 4.0.14
16:01 < rxr> tri: you use trunk right ?=
16:02 < tri> yes trunkl
16:02 < tri> err trunk
16:11 < tri> i just found ftp://ftp.pld-linux.org/software/shadow
16:12 < tri> there is allready a shadow-4.0.3 available
16:13 < rxr> that looks rather old
16:13 < rxr> from 2002
16:13 < rxr> while we are at 4.0.18.1
16:14 < rxr> there is a fix in circulation
16:14 < tri> ah ok right
16:14 < rxr> I just imported it and it's testbuilding
16:14 < tri> what might be the problem ?
16:14 < rxr> that the PLD people are just f*cking up every package they take over to maintain ?
16:14 < tri> lol
16:14 < rxr> they also regress pam with every release they spin
16:16 < tri> but shadow; pam; etc. is also found in other distibutions - do they all patch the "default" versions ?
16:16 < rxr> they maintain shadow and pam these days
16:18 < CIA-9> rene * r24098 /trunk/package/base/shadow/usreadd_fix-2.patch: * imported shadow useradd hotfix from LFS
16:18 < rxr> they as LFS maintain it
16:18 < rxr> ^- works, tested
16:18 < tri> ok thx.
16:27 < rxr> Linux: NY Stock Exchange Moves To Linux
16:27 < rxr> tri: you know how to rebuild it ?
16:27 < rxr> let us know if it works fine
16:33 < rxr> http://i.cnn.net/money/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/Richard_Stallman.ap.03.jpg
16:33 < rxr> ^- .oO
16:38 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2007-05-17/microsoft-says-free-software-violates-235-patents-ny-stock-exchange-moves-to-linux/
16:41 < rxr> tri: did you bulit trunk with gcc-4.2, already ?
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17:14 < rxr> hi tom777
17:14 < tom777> hi all, how can i install pkgs from our repo , plz ?
17:15 < rxr> what exactly do you want to install where ?
17:16 < tom777> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg ace doesnt work for me ( i am new on T2 ; i am runing only minimalT2 live cd in vbox)
17:16 < tom777> ace only like test
17:16 < rxr> the 6.0.3 live ?
17:17 < tom777> yes
17:17 < rxr> in theory the comment is correct, however the minimal live might miss quite a bit for software development
17:17 < rxr> ...*the command is correct*...
17:17 < tom777> command not found . got i message from bash
17:18 < rxr> which command was not found ?
17:19 < tom777> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg ace
17:20 < tom777> must i make first some setting for repo ?
17:20 < rxr> ah - you mean scripts/Emerge-Pkg is not found ?
17:20 < tom777> sync or so
17:20 < rxr> well, you need to checkout the current T2 source code
17:20 < rxr> and run the ./scripts/... in the top-level directory of the chkecked out soutce
17:20 < rxr> source
17:21 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/download/
17:21 < rxr> ^-> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk t2-trunk
17:21 < rxr> or better the stable tree: svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/6.0 t2-6.0
17:24 < tom777> i am not devoloper , i know only t2 from puppylinux and i am searching for some clean pinguin distro.
17:25 < tom777> i know only gentoo,debian,slackware and all other derivates from them.
17:25 < rxr> sure, you're welcome :-)
17:26 < tom777> ahh, paldo forgot i ;)
17:28 < tom777> but, why have u only old kernel 2.6.17 on ur newest realese, plz ? 2.6.21 is really superb for me ( i see it on frugalware,archlinux,gentoo )
17:30 < rxr> you can also use our trunk
17:30 < rxr> that has 2.6.2x latest
17:30 < rxr> tunk even already has gcc-4.2 :-)
17:31 < tom777> cool
17:31 < rxr> to get an advantage of gcc-4.2 you need to build a whole new system
17:32 < tom777> i know
17:32 < rxr> this is outlined here: http://www.t2-project.org/documentation/buildintro.html
17:32 < rxr> t2 automates the whole process
17:33 < tom777> similar like xorg 7 for freebsd (ports are frozen now - bsd goes to 7.2 from 6.9)
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17:33 < CIA-9> rene * r24099 /trunk/package/security/openssl/gcc42.patch: * hot-fixed openssl for gcc-4.2
17:33 < rxr> vast documentation for T2: http://www.t2-project.org/documentation/
17:34 [Users #t2]
17:34 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ mtr ] [ sepp_] [ tom777 ]
17:34 [ babygor ] [ idealm] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz] [ tri ]
17:34 [ CIA-9 ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX] [ valentin]
17:34 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
17:37 < babygor> totally off-topic, but... I got a GPS simulator sending updates on a socket,
17:38 < babygor> and an app which expect a GPS on a serial port. Socket to char device, anyone?
17:38 < babygor> :)
18:53 < CIA-9> rene * r24100 /trunk/package/base/id-utils/id-utils.desc: * updated id-utils (3.2 -> 4.2)
19:06 < rxr> juchee, down to 34 unread and 283 total mails in my aging t2-updates folder ...
19:06 [Users #t2]
19:06 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ mtr ] [ sepp_] [ tom777 ]
19:06 [ babygor ] [ idealm] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz] [ tri ]
19:06 [ CIA-9 ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX] [ valentin]
19:06 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
19:11 < CIA-9> rene * r24101 /trunk/package/graphic/djvu2pdf/: * removed djvu2pdf
19:21 < tri> all i need to save my build config is in ../config/*BUILD*/ ?
19:22 < rxr> yes
19:22 < rxr> config/$id
19:23 < tri> so i can checkout the t2-trunk copy the $id folder into config and can build my system new and it should be the same as before ?
19:24 < rxr> when you checkout the sane T2 revision yes
19:24 < rxr> when th T2 tree is newer you will of course have the updates t2 packages in the resulting system
19:24 < rxr> or built with a newer gcc, etc.
19:25 < tri> nice
19:25 < rxr> :-)
19:26 < tri> and if i allready have the t2-trunk i just type "svn update" and then build the package with Emerge-Pkg new but how to do that for the hole system like 'emerge -world' ?
19:27 < CIA-9> rene * r24102 /trunk/package/editors/jed/ (hotfix.patch jed.desc): * updated jed (0.99-16 -> 0.99-18)
19:29 < Ragnarin> moin moin
19:29 < rxr> tri: into the running system with Emerge-Pkg -system
19:29 < rxr> if you want to rebuild your chroot target: ./scripts/Create-ErrList -newremove
19:29 < rxr> and then Build-Target
19:29 < rxr> moin moin Ragnarin
19:30 < Ragnarin> hey rene :)
19:30 < rxr> Ragnarin: http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/
19:31 < rxr> some new users actually registered and I "manually dropped" the ones from the frappr flash map over
19:31 < rxr> on the flash map were even more, but I only copied those with a name
19:31 < tri> rxr: i allready added me to this nice new map :-)
19:31 < rxr> some did not show a name
19:31 < rxr> tri: yes saw that :-)
19:31 < rxr> I improved usability in the meantime as well
19:31 < rxr> formerly enter would submit the form immediatly
19:32 < rxr> even if not filled out yet at all, I prevent this as well as customly wired enter in the city field to run the Google Geolocator thing to move the map pin
19:32 < Ragnarin> ah :)
19:32 < rxr> way more joy to use, now
19:33 < Ragnarin> ah I'm already in there :)
19:34 < tri> to build / install a new package i allways need the toolchain ? just if i have the binarys build i can use them with mime, right ? and is there anywhere a t2 server which hosts a few binarys ?
19:36 < rxr> we plan to provide binary pools
19:36 < rxr> but if you have a very specific build combiation the binaries pools would likely not be binary compatible
19:36 < rxr> you could then or can now export the binaries from your Build-Target to your other installation instances
19:38 < tri> hm - my vga-connector for the vision s100 box is working now - ready to build t2 for this hardware :-)
19:39 < tri> it would be nice to have a *.desc file for freevo :-)
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20:10 < rxr> hi emte
20:11 < rxr> tri: bugs.t2-project.org and add a note :_)
20:14 < babygor> rxr?
20:15 < rxr> babygor: yes ?
20:16 < rxr> http://www.blender.org/development/release-logs/blender-244/subsurface-scattering/
20:17 < babygor> I wonder if you had time to check that util-linux problem with t-resc. I am using
20:18 < babygor> 0.5, but I´m eager to build my own.
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20:29 < tri> ups... is everythink ok with the svn ?
20:30 < tri> i get "Ungültiger Maschinenbefehl" (core dumped) just after "Hole externen Verweis nach >>t2-trunk/misc/luabash/build<< ?
20:32 < sepp_> overoptimized?
20:33 < rxr> is it svn segfaulting with ssl ?
20:34 < rxr> the openssl code has rathe ugly parts where some trampolines are not build with gcc-4.2 in the way the openssl people wish the compile would
20:34 < rxr> I added a hotfix to openssl just today
20:34 < rxr> you need to rebuild openssl if you have a build with gcc-4.2 there
20:34 < Ragnarin> o_o
20:35 < rxr> not so much .oO
20:35 < rxr> the gcc-4.2 was the least regressing compiler ever
20:35 < rxr> perl and openssl are so far the only regressions in our tree so far
20:35 < rxr> the overall quality was so great I commited it after a weekend of testing
20:35 < rxr> Susan's Sony laptop is alredy running a trunk:HEAD livecd installed
20:35 < rxr> including Beryl and all the everyday stuff
20:42 < rxr> puh, all t2-updates mails still queued on my side down to 263 with all at least look to now
20:44 < tri> no it is a normal svn checkout... i just tried it again same fault.
20:53 < rxr> but you run now your fresh t2, right ?
20:54 < rxr> does this fresh t2 already have gcc-4.2 ?
20:54 < rxr> gcc --version
20:56 < rxr> if you already have some gcc-4.2 you need to rebulid openssl with the gcc42.patch that I comitted into the t2/trunk today
20:57 < Ragnarin> is this also related to the pre-4.2 gcc we had?
20:59 < tri> yes its 4.2
20:59 < Ragnarin> ok
20:59 < Ragnarin> how does it show?
20:59 < tri> 20070501 prerelease
20:59 < tri> 4.2.0
21:01 < tri> but i do not use svn over ssl only svn or same error with svn over http
21:14 < rxr> at least the svn:externls T2 has are https:// as far as I remeber
21:15 < rxr> if you have a core dump and gdb you can take a look where it crashes
21:15 < rxr> gdb svn core
21:15 < rxr> bt
21:15 < rxr> I bet in SSL
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21:17 < Ragnarin> hmmm
21:18 < rxr> T2 homepage now has a custom google search
21:18 < rxr> on every page
21:18 < rxr> I hope you love that as well
21:19 < tri> hm look bad at konquerer
21:20 < rxr> yes I know
21:20 < tri> ;-)
21:20 < rxr> I tried to fine-tune it but it made it worth in firefox and safari
21:21 < rxr> I take a look into inject the HTML differently
21:21 < rxr> maybe into a table so it can not move around
21:21 < rxr> the thing is konqueror uses different sized buttons than all other browsers :-(
21:21 < tri> it sucks that every browser handel html different
21:21 < rxr> you can see this on other sites as well
21:22 < rxr> but as I use kHTML as my main browser you can be sure I get reminded everyday and eventually get that tweaked sooner than later
21:31 < CIA-9> rene * r24103 /trunk/package/audio/ardour/ardour.desc: * updated ardour (2.0.1 -> 2.0.2)
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21:42 < tri> now i checkout out from svn with a svn build with gcc 4.1.2 and it worked
21:46 < rxr> yes, as I wrote you need to rebuild openssl with the gcc42.patch I added today in order to have an openssl built with gcc-4.2 that does not crash :-)
21:47 < CIA-9> rene * r24104 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk+/gtk+.conf:
21:47 < CIA-9> * improved gtk+ to for disabling of libtiff support if not available
21:47 < CIA-9> (the gtk+ configure aborts otherwise)
21:51 < tri> is it possible to create a symlink for /config/$id to /config/default ?
21:51 < rxr> oh, never tried
21:51 < rxr> I do not know if it has sideeffects
21:51 < rxr> why do you want to do this ?
21:51 [Users #t2]
21:51 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ keinek] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz] [ valentin]
21:51 [ CIA-9 ] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX]
21:51 [ d-marc ] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ tri ]
21:51 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
21:52 < tri> to avoid the "-cfg $id" flag everytime i emerge a pkg
21:52 < rxr> will you have more than one config ?
21:53 < rxr> you can just rename the config to the default one if you only plan to have one
21:53 < tri> not sure right now
21:53 < tri> ah ok
21:55 < tri> how to add e17 to my package config ?
21:55 < tri> the repository
21:57 < rxr> X e17/* to the package selection ?
21:59 < rxr> ok - gotta go
21:59 < rxr> have a nice n8
21:59 [Users #t2]
21:59 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ keinek] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz] [ valentin]
21:59 [ CIA-9 ] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX]
21:59 [ d-marc ] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ tri ]
21:59 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
21:59 < tri> sorry about that dump question i'm a beginner
21:59 < tri> thx
21:59 < tri> gn8 rxr
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22:59 < d-marc> rxr: still here?
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01:58 < Boubie> hi t2 is Suuuuuper!
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08:57 < misl> hi folks
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09:09 < mtr> hi misl
09:09 < misl> hi mtr
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10:55 < rxr> re
10:56 < rxr> moin misl and misl
10:56 [Users #t2]
10:56 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
10:56 [ babygor ] [ idealm] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz]
10:56 [ CIA-9 ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX]
10:56 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
11:00 < rxr> aus T-Com wird T-Home, na toll ...
11:08 < mtr> moin rxr
11:09 < misl> morning rxr
11:29 < CIA-9> rene * r24087 /trunk/package/graphic/libpng/libpng.desc: * updated libpng (1.2.17 -> 1.2.18), fixes major regression introcuded in 1.2.17, which was suppost to be a SECURITY fix
11:33 < CIA-9> rene * r24088 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.13.2 -> 0.9.14)
11:34 < CIA-9> rene * r24089 /trunk/package/perl/perl-dbi/perl-dbi.desc: * updated perl-dbi (1.55 -> 1.56)
11:39 < CIA-9> rene * r24090 /trunk/package/network/ (asterisk/asterisk.desc asterisk-addons/asterisk-addons.desc):
11:39 < CIA-9> * updated asterisk (1.4.2 -> 1.4.1)
11:39 < CIA-9> * updated asterisk-addons (1.4.0 -> 1.4.1)
11:41 < rxr> ah, damn
11:41 < rxr> too early
11:41 < rxr> -ENOCOFFE
11:43 < CIA-9> rene * r24091 /trunk/package/network/asterisk/asterisk.desc: * reverted accidently downdate of asterisk in r24090
11:52 < CIA-9> rene * r24092 /trunk/package/graphic/libexif/libexif.desc: * updated libexif (0.6.13 -> 0.6.14)
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12:12 < CIA-9> rene * r24093 /trunk/package/filesystem/zisofs-tools/zisofs-tools.desc: * updated zisofs-tools (1.0.7 -> 1.0.8)
12:20 < CIA-9> rene * r24094 /trunk/package/network/squid/squid.desc: * updated squid (2.6.STABLE12 -> 2.6.STABLE13)
12:20 < CIA-9> rene * r24095 /trunk/package/develop/boost/boost.desc: * updated boost (1_33_1 -> 1_34_0)
12:34 < rxr> sepp: apparently I just messed up either the coordinates when I manaully inserted the test data, or later one when I edited the db
12:34 < rxr> sepp: I just fixed the sepp, mtr and jsaw coordinates in the db and that's just fine now
13:03 < CIA-9> rene * r24096 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-nv/xf86-video-nv.desc: * updated xf86-video-nv (2.0.2 -> 2.0.96)
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14:38 < babygor> morning everyone!
14:39 < rxr> morning babygor
14:39 [Users #t2]
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14:43 < tri> re
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15:30 < tri> re
15:33 < tri> isn't there the adduser script on a t2 system ?
15:44 < sepp_> useradd
15:49 < rxr> re
15:52 < tri> hm if i try useradd -g users -d /home/tri -m tri
15:52 < tri> i get useradd: Ungültiges numerisches Argument >>users<<
15:53 < sepp_> o_O
15:55 < rxr> hm
15:55 < rxr> I can reproduce
15:55 < rxr> but we do not do something specifc with the useradd, it should be the useradd virtually every Linux is shipping
15:55 < sepp_> which one of the many numeric arguments is actually numeric?
15:55 < sepp_> lol
15:56 < rxr> maybe it wants the group in numeric form?
15:58 < CIA-9> rene * r24097 /trunk/package/network/samba/ (samba.desc sparc.patch): * updated samba (3.0.24 -> 3.0.25)
15:58 < tri> no doesnt work
15:59 < tri> useradd: unbekannte Grupe 100 (unkown group 100)
16:00 < rxr> hm, indeed interesting
16:01 < tri> how are you adding new users to the t2 system - edit /etc/passwd ?
16:01 < rxr> r19552 | rene | 2006-09-12 09:36:50 +0000 (Tue, 12 Sep 2006) | 2 lines
16:01 < rxr> * updated shadow (4.0.14 -> 4.0.18.1)
16:01 < rxr> in 6.0 we have 4.0.14
16:01 < rxr> tri: you use trunk right ?=
16:02 < tri> yes trunkl
16:02 < tri> err trunk
16:11 < tri> i just found ftp://ftp.pld-linux.org/software/shadow
16:12 < tri> there is allready a shadow-4.0.3 available
16:13 < rxr> that looks rather old
16:13 < rxr> from 2002
16:13 < rxr> while we are at 4.0.18.1
16:14 < rxr> there is a fix in circulation
16:14 < tri> ah ok right
16:14 < rxr> I just imported it and it's testbuilding
16:14 < tri> what might be the problem ?
16:14 < rxr> that the PLD people are just f*cking up every package they take over to maintain ?
16:14 < tri> lol
16:14 < rxr> they also regress pam with every release they spin
16:16 < tri> but shadow; pam; etc. is also found in other distibutions - do they all patch the "default" versions ?
16:16 < rxr> they maintain shadow and pam these days
16:18 < CIA-9> rene * r24098 /trunk/package/base/shadow/usreadd_fix-2.patch: * imported shadow useradd hotfix from LFS
16:18 < rxr> they as LFS maintain it
16:18 < rxr> ^- works, tested
16:18 < tri> ok thx.
16:27 < rxr> Linux: NY Stock Exchange Moves To Linux
16:27 < rxr> tri: you know how to rebuild it ?
16:27 < rxr> let us know if it works fine
16:33 < rxr> http://i.cnn.net/money/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/Richard_Stallman.ap.03.jpg
16:33 < rxr> ^- .oO
16:38 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/2007-05-17/microsoft-says-free-software-violates-235-patents-ny-stock-exchange-moves-to-linux/
16:41 < rxr> tri: did you bulit trunk with gcc-4.2, already ?
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17:14 < rxr> hi tom777
17:14 < tom777> hi all, how can i install pkgs from our repo , plz ?
17:15 < rxr> what exactly do you want to install where ?
17:16 < tom777> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg ace doesnt work for me ( i am new on T2 ; i am runing only minimalT2 live cd in vbox)
17:16 < tom777> ace only like test
17:16 < rxr> the 6.0.3 live ?
17:17 < tom777> yes
17:17 < rxr> in theory the comment is correct, however the minimal live might miss quite a bit for software development
17:17 < rxr> ...*the command is correct*...
17:17 < tom777> command not found . got i message from bash
17:18 < rxr> which command was not found ?
17:19 < tom777> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg ace
17:20 < tom777> must i make first some setting for repo ?
17:20 < rxr> ah - you mean scripts/Emerge-Pkg is not found ?
17:20 < tom777> sync or so
17:20 < rxr> well, you need to checkout the current T2 source code
17:20 < rxr> and run the ./scripts/... in the top-level directory of the chkecked out soutce
17:20 < rxr> source
17:21 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/download/
17:21 < rxr> ^-> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk t2-trunk
17:21 < rxr> or better the stable tree: svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/6.0 t2-6.0
17:24 < tom777> i am not devoloper , i know only t2 from puppylinux and i am searching for some clean pinguin distro.
17:25 < tom777> i know only gentoo,debian,slackware and all other derivates from them.
17:25 < rxr> sure, you're welcome :-)
17:26 < tom777> ahh, paldo forgot i ;)
17:28 < tom777> but, why have u only old kernel 2.6.17 on ur newest realese, plz ? 2.6.21 is really superb for me ( i see it on frugalware,archlinux,gentoo )
17:30 < rxr> you can also use our trunk
17:30 < rxr> that has 2.6.2x latest
17:30 < rxr> tunk even already has gcc-4.2 :-)
17:31 < tom777> cool
17:31 < rxr> to get an advantage of gcc-4.2 you need to build a whole new system
17:32 < tom777> i know
17:32 < rxr> this is outlined here: http://www.t2-project.org/documentation/buildintro.html
17:32 < rxr> t2 automates the whole process
17:33 < tom777> similar like xorg 7 for freebsd (ports are frozen now - bsd goes to 7.2 from 6.9)
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17:33 < CIA-9> rene * r24099 /trunk/package/security/openssl/gcc42.patch: * hot-fixed openssl for gcc-4.2
17:33 < rxr> vast documentation for T2: http://www.t2-project.org/documentation/
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17:37 < babygor> totally off-topic, but... I got a GPS simulator sending updates on a socket,
17:38 < babygor> and an app which expect a GPS on a serial port. Socket to char device, anyone?
17:38 < babygor> :)
18:53 < CIA-9> rene * r24100 /trunk/package/base/id-utils/id-utils.desc: * updated id-utils (3.2 -> 4.2)
19:06 < rxr> juchee, down to 34 unread and 283 total mails in my aging t2-updates folder ...
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19:11 < CIA-9> rene * r24101 /trunk/package/graphic/djvu2pdf/: * removed djvu2pdf
19:21 < tri> all i need to save my build config is in ../config/*BUILD*/ ?
19:22 < rxr> yes
19:22 < rxr> config/$id
19:23 < tri> so i can checkout the t2-trunk copy the $id folder into config and can build my system new and it should be the same as before ?
19:24 < rxr> when you checkout the sane T2 revision yes
19:24 < rxr> when th T2 tree is newer you will of course have the updates t2 packages in the resulting system
19:24 < rxr> or built with a newer gcc, etc.
19:25 < tri> nice
19:25 < rxr> :-)
19:26 < tri> and if i allready have the t2-trunk i just type "svn update" and then build the package with Emerge-Pkg new but how to do that for the hole system like 'emerge -world' ?
19:27 < CIA-9> rene * r24102 /trunk/package/editors/jed/ (hotfix.patch jed.desc): * updated jed (0.99-16 -> 0.99-18)
19:29 < Ragnarin> moin moin
19:29 < rxr> tri: into the running system with Emerge-Pkg -system
19:29 < rxr> if you want to rebuild your chroot target: ./scripts/Create-ErrList -newremove
19:29 < rxr> and then Build-Target
19:29 < rxr> moin moin Ragnarin
19:30 < Ragnarin> hey rene :)
19:30 < rxr> Ragnarin: http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/
19:31 < rxr> some new users actually registered and I "manually dropped" the ones from the frappr flash map over
19:31 < rxr> on the flash map were even more, but I only copied those with a name
19:31 < tri> rxr: i allready added me to this nice new map :-)
19:31 < rxr> some did not show a name
19:31 < rxr> tri: yes saw that :-)
19:31 < rxr> I improved usability in the meantime as well
19:31 < rxr> formerly enter would submit the form immediatly
19:32 < rxr> even if not filled out yet at all, I prevent this as well as customly wired enter in the city field to run the Google Geolocator thing to move the map pin
19:32 < Ragnarin> ah :)
19:32 < rxr> way more joy to use, now
19:33 < Ragnarin> ah I'm already in there :)
19:34 < tri> to build / install a new package i allways need the toolchain ? just if i have the binarys build i can use them with mime, right ? and is there anywhere a t2 server which hosts a few binarys ?
19:36 < rxr> we plan to provide binary pools
19:36 < rxr> but if you have a very specific build combiation the binaries pools would likely not be binary compatible
19:36 < rxr> you could then or can now export the binaries from your Build-Target to your other installation instances
19:38 < tri> hm - my vga-connector for the vision s100 box is working now - ready to build t2 for this hardware :-)
19:39 < tri> it would be nice to have a *.desc file for freevo :-)
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20:10 < rxr> hi emte
20:11 < rxr> tri: bugs.t2-project.org and add a note :_)
20:14 < babygor> rxr?
20:15 < rxr> babygor: yes ?
20:16 < rxr> http://www.blender.org/development/release-logs/blender-244/subsurface-scattering/
20:17 < babygor> I wonder if you had time to check that util-linux problem with t-resc. I am using
20:18 < babygor> 0.5, but I´m eager to build my own.
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20:29 < tri> ups... is everythink ok with the svn ?
20:30 < tri> i get "Ungültiger Maschinenbefehl" (core dumped) just after "Hole externen Verweis nach >>t2-trunk/misc/luabash/build<< ?
20:32 < sepp_> overoptimized?
20:33 < rxr> is it svn segfaulting with ssl ?
20:34 < rxr> the openssl code has rathe ugly parts where some trampolines are not build with gcc-4.2 in the way the openssl people wish the compile would
20:34 < rxr> I added a hotfix to openssl just today
20:34 < rxr> you need to rebuild openssl if you have a build with gcc-4.2 there
20:34 < Ragnarin> o_o
20:35 < rxr> not so much .oO
20:35 < rxr> the gcc-4.2 was the least regressing compiler ever
20:35 < rxr> perl and openssl are so far the only regressions in our tree so far
20:35 < rxr> the overall quality was so great I commited it after a weekend of testing
20:35 < rxr> Susan's Sony laptop is alredy running a trunk:HEAD livecd installed
20:35 < rxr> including Beryl and all the everyday stuff
20:42 < rxr> puh, all t2-updates mails still queued on my side down to 263 with all at least look to now
20:44 < tri> no it is a normal svn checkout... i just tried it again same fault.
20:53 < rxr> but you run now your fresh t2, right ?
20:54 < rxr> does this fresh t2 already have gcc-4.2 ?
20:54 < rxr> gcc --version
20:56 < rxr> if you already have some gcc-4.2 you need to rebulid openssl with the gcc42.patch that I comitted into the t2/trunk today
20:57 < Ragnarin> is this also related to the pre-4.2 gcc we had?
20:59 < tri> yes its 4.2
20:59 < Ragnarin> ok
20:59 < Ragnarin> how does it show?
20:59 < tri> 20070501 prerelease
20:59 < tri> 4.2.0
21:01 < tri> but i do not use svn over ssl only svn or same error with svn over http
21:14 < rxr> at least the svn:externls T2 has are https:// as far as I remeber
21:15 < rxr> if you have a core dump and gdb you can take a look where it crashes
21:15 < rxr> gdb svn core
21:15 < rxr> bt
21:15 < rxr> I bet in SSL
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21:17 < Ragnarin> hmmm
21:18 < rxr> T2 homepage now has a custom google search
21:18 < rxr> on every page
21:18 < rxr> I hope you love that as well
21:19 < tri> hm look bad at konquerer
21:20 < rxr> yes I know
21:20 < tri> ;-)
21:20 < rxr> I tried to fine-tune it but it made it worth in firefox and safari
21:21 < rxr> I take a look into inject the HTML differently
21:21 < rxr> maybe into a table so it can not move around
21:21 < rxr> the thing is konqueror uses different sized buttons than all other browsers :-(
21:21 < tri> it sucks that every browser handel html different
21:21 < rxr> you can see this on other sites as well
21:22 < rxr> but as I use kHTML as my main browser you can be sure I get reminded everyday and eventually get that tweaked sooner than later
21:31 < CIA-9> rene * r24103 /trunk/package/audio/ardour/ardour.desc: * updated ardour (2.0.1 -> 2.0.2)
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21:42 < tri> now i checkout out from svn with a svn build with gcc 4.1.2 and it worked
21:46 < rxr> yes, as I wrote you need to rebuild openssl with the gcc42.patch I added today in order to have an openssl built with gcc-4.2 that does not crash :-)
21:47 < CIA-9> rene * r24104 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk+/gtk+.conf:
21:47 < CIA-9> * improved gtk+ to for disabling of libtiff support if not available
21:47 < CIA-9> (the gtk+ configure aborts otherwise)
21:51 < tri> is it possible to create a symlink for /config/$id to /config/default ?
21:51 < rxr> oh, never tried
21:51 < rxr> I do not know if it has sideeffects
21:51 < rxr> why do you want to do this ?
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21:51 [ CIA-9 ] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX]
21:51 [ d-marc ] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ tri ]
21:51 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
21:52 < tri> to avoid the "-cfg $id" flag everytime i emerge a pkg
21:52 < rxr> will you have more than one config ?
21:53 < rxr> you can just rename the config to the default one if you only plan to have one
21:53 < tri> not sure right now
21:53 < tri> ah ok
21:55 < tri> how to add e17 to my package config ?
21:55 < tri> the repository
21:57 < rxr> X e17/* to the package selection ?
21:59 < rxr> ok - gotta go
21:59 < rxr> have a nice n8
21:59 [Users #t2]
21:59 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ keinek] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz] [ valentin]
21:59 [ CIA-9 ] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX]
21:59 [ d-marc ] [ idealm] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ tri ]
21:59 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
21:59 < tri> sorry about that dump question i'm a beginner
21:59 < tri> thx
21:59 < tri> gn8 rxr
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22:59 < d-marc> rxr: still here?
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