T2 IRC Log: 2007-06-02

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--- Log opened Sat Jun 02 00:00:02 2007
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08:21 [Users #t2]
08:21 [@ChanServ] [ Demian ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz ]
08:21 [ babygor ] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ TobiX ]
08:21 [ CIA-9 ] [ jalsot_] [ Ragnarin] [ shadeheim_] [ valentin]
08:21 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
08:21 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 6.0.3 Released! | trunk heading for 7.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | http://bugs.t2-project.org | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
08:21 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Wed Mar 28 15:39:58 2007]
08:21 < CIA-9> rene * r24344 /trunk/package/editors/zile/zile.desc: * updated zile (2.2.32 -> 2.2.33)
08:21 < rxr> Open System Development Environment (SDE) |
08:21 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 6.0.3 Released! | trunk heading for 7.0 | The T2
08:22 -!- Ragnarin changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 6.0.3 Released! | trunk heading for 7.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) |
08:22 < Ragnarin> moin rene :0
08:22 < Ragnarin> =)
08:23 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 SDE | 7.0-rc released! | trunk heading for 8.0 | The T2 Open System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/ | http://bugs.t2-project.org
08:23 < rxr> moin Ragnarin
08:23 < Ragnarin> wie gehts?
08:24 < rxr> oh, puffed out and neaerly "heiser"
08:24 < rxr> from talking all the day at the linux tag
08:24 < Ragnarin> ooh yea how was it?
08:24 < rxr> oh - still going on :-)
08:24 < rxr> have to jump out the office in some minutes
08:24 < rxr> quite fine
08:24 < rxr> we have not been on the linux tag the last years
08:24 < Ragnarin> yea
08:24 < Ragnarin> how's the resonance?
08:24 < rxr> but now that it is in berlin it is just 6 subway stations away :_)
08:25 < rxr> fine
08:25 < Ragnarin> ;D
08:25 < rxr> in general, as on the other fairs, the people are way more open to new "Linux systems" and also many need customized systems for embedded use and custom appliances
08:26 < rxr> in the beginning most just waved the head and asked "what would I need that for?", ...
08:26 < Ragnarin> :) good to hear
08:26 < Ragnarin> lol
08:27 < rxr> and how is it over there? I see you changed the nick :-), is tht intentional ?
08:28 < Ragnarin> yea it is
08:28 < Ragnarin> someone bugged me that the other nick sounded like a scriptkiddie :P
08:28 < rxr> lol
08:30 < CIA-9> rene * r24345 /trunk/package/develop/nwcc/nwcc.desc: * updated nwcc (0.7.2 -> 0.7.3)
08:38 < CIA-9> rene * r24346 /trunk/package/x86/nasm/nasm.desc: * updated nasm (0.99.00 -> 0.99.01)
08:45 < CIA-9> rene * r24347 /trunk/package/security/gnutls/gnutls.desc: * updated gnutls (1.6.2 -> 1.6.3)
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10:05 < rxr> re
10:39 < rxr> http://digg.com/linux_unix/T2_SDE_7_0_rc_water_falls_releases
11:04 < LMJ> hello
11:05 < LMJ> http://www.pastebin.ca/530950 <= dvd+rwtools failed on trunk on x86_64 here, how can i fix it please ?
12:01 < sepp_> moin :)
12:26 < rxr> you probably have imperfect scsi system headers
12:26 < rxr> unfortualy that is not easy to fix as they come with glibc
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13:43 < LMJ> ok rxr
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14:10 [Users #t2]
14:10 [@ChanServ] [ Demian ] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ TobiX ]
14:10 [ babygor ] [ jalsot_] [ Ragnarin] [ shadeheim_] [ valentin ]
14:10 [ CIA-9 ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz ] [ write_erase]
14:10 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
14:25 -!- Capey [n=mipe@a83-245-238-224.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #t2
14:27 < rxr> hey Capey !!!
14:28 < Capey> hi rxr
14:33 < rxr> http://kushaldas.in/?p=142
14:33 < rxr> ^ - have not seen that though
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14:46 < rxr> heh cool
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15:21 < rxr> ttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=466588481451128430&hl=en
15:26 < CIA-9> rene * r24348 /trunk/package/security/gsasl/gsasl.desc: * updated gsasl (0.2.16 -> 0.2.17)
15:34 < CIA-9> rene * r24349 /trunk/package/network/nginx/nginx.desc: * updated nginx (0.5.20 -> 0.5.22)
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16:24 < CIA-9> rene * r24350 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver.desc: * updated gnome-screensaver (2.18.1 -> 2.18.2)
16:25 < CIA-9> rene * r24351 /trunk/package/gnome2/metacity/metacity.desc: * updated metacity (2.18.2 -> 2.18.3)
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17:04 < CIA-9> rene * r24352 /trunk/package/base/popt/popt.desc: * marked popt FPIC-QUIRK, as needed on x86-64
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19:01 < shadeheim> when I try to make the iso I get errors such as implantisomd5.c:23:18: error: popt.h: No such file or directory. The iso makes anyway, but when I boot in to it it can't find the second stage and prompts me to locate it myself
19:02 < shevy> hey shadeheim ;)
19:03 < sepp_> you need package 'popt'
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20:03 < shadeheim> ty
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20:27 < shadeheim> in the handbook it says building t2 in other distros may "contain broken versions of one of the intensively used utilities like sed, awk, tar or bash". How about Debian?
20:29 < shadeheim> sid
20:29 < sepp_> only way to really know is to try it
20:29 < shadeheim> i tried booting the disc but it keeps complaining that it can't find the install tar
20:30 < sepp_> it should work, but some systems have broken bash or something, but there is no list
20:30 < shadeheim> the cd boots and says it is looking on /dev/cdrom so it seems to be the right place to look, but it can't find a stage file or something
20:31 < sepp_> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg YOURCONFIG
20:31 < sepp_> maybe something failed to build so that the resulting iso has a problem
20:32 < sepp_> has it 2nd_stage.tar, 2nd_stage_small.tar on the cd?
20:33 < shevy> 760M t2-7.0-rc-desktop-i686.iso
20:33 < shevy>
20:33 < shevy> dicke iso :/
20:33 < shadeheim> 453 builds total, 0 completed fine, 0 with errors.
20:34 < shadeheim> 0 completed fine?
20:34 < sepp_> uhm
20:36 < shadeheim> I read somewhere that t2 can automatically find out a packages dependencies, even ones not specifically built for t2. Is this true?
20:39 < sepp_> there are list which files belong to a package, if you build one it looks what files are read while building it and write a cache file
20:39 < sepp_> if that is what you mean
20:40 < sepp_> also works for new packages ...
20:43 < shadeheim> I'm quite new to Linux so excuse my ignorance, but does it have to be a package designed for t2, or can I get a random tar package of an authors website, and get t2 to figure out what dependencies are needed, or do I need to manually look up and install the dependencies?
20:43 < shadeheim> off*
20:46 < sepp_> you can take a random tarball make a desc and hope it will compile, if you have all the needed deps installed it will generate a list with the detected deps
20:46 < sepp_> but it can not guess deps if you dont have them installed
20:46 < sepp_> that would be black voodoo
20:47 < sepp_> but the 2nd time you already have the dep info
20:47 < rxr> re
20:48 < sepp_> hi rxr :)
20:48 [Users #t2]
20:48 [@ChanServ] [ Demian ] [ keinek] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] [ Stelz ]
20:48 [ babygor ] [ emte ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnarin] [ shadeheim] [ TobiX ]
20:48 [ CIA-9 ] [ jalsot_] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ shevy ] [ valentin]
20:48 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
20:48 < rxr> just a quick re
20:48 < rxr> we'll be off the office the whole next week
20:54 < sepp_> holidays?
20:57 < shevy> hmm kann man die 760 MB iso einfach auf eine dvd brennen?
20:59 < sepp_> yup
20:59 < shevy> oki
20:59 < rxr> nope
20:59 < rxr> business trip
20:59 < rxr> somehow I have the feeling I'll not have much holidays the next years.
21:09 < sepp_> :/
21:10 < rxr> but maybe we have enough internet access abroad to do some update testing along the lines
21:10 < rxr> so that trunk is moving along
21:50 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Hardware/PS3/
22:01 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Linux%20Tag/2007/
22:02 < rxr> still copying
22:08 < shevy> hehe http://rene.rebe.name/images/cache/dsc00465_600x800.jpg
22:08 < shevy> spionage? :)
22:09 < Stelz> haha :)
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22:39 [Users #t2]
22:39 [@ChanServ] [ emte ] [ misl ] [ sepp_ ] [ TobiX ]
22:39 [ babygor ] [ jalsot_] [ mtr ] [ shadeheim] [ valentin ]
22:39 [ CIA-9 ] [ keinek ] [ Ragnarin] [ shevy ] [ write_erase]
22:39 [ Demian ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz ]
22:39 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
22:40 < rxr> hi write_erase !
22:40 < write_erase> rxr hi
22:40 < write_erase> Still online :-)
22:41 < rxr> yeah - packing in the office
22:41 < rxr> and syncing the laptop
22:41 < rxr> http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Linux%20Tag/2007/
22:41 < rxr> ^- still copying, though
22:44 < write_erase> Oh you took a snapshot of the girls offering cigarettes... I wanted to show my friends this one
22:44 < rxr> :-)
22:45 < write_erase> I'll have to gimp myself on some photos (red eyes) :-)
22:47 < rxr> yeah - I just flush them to the site right now
22:47 < write_erase> ok that's fine
22:57 < rxr> you got some hotspot over there?
22:57 < rxr> hotel I guess?
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22:59 < write_erase> rxr, yeah... @hotel... they provide WLAN
23:03 < rxr> nice
23:06 < write_erase> you had time to see openstreetmap guys ?
23:07 < write_erase> I think this is a great project I'll try to contribute... opensource city map database.. .
23:09 < rxr> cool, nice project - I'll add a linnk to the http://www.t2-project.org/startpage
23:11 < write_erase> 1. Someone push GPS raw coordinate to a server
23:11 < write_erase> 2. another one draw lines which seems to be roads
23:11 < write_erase> 3. Another one names the streets, add speed limits, direction, interesting informations
23:12 < write_erase> 4. Another one can correct these informations
23:12 < rxr> yeah - nice
23:12 < rxr> my location in berlin looks quite fine :-)
23:12 < rxr> added the link to our above URL
23:12 < rxr> though the link section needs resorting and pretification
23:12 < write_erase> I have 1 Million GPS raw positions to push ... as soon as my boss is OK
23:13 < rxr> heh
23:13 < rxr> they will have fun editing those ...
23:14 < write_erase> Maybe someone will code some algorythm to detect roads from GPS positions
23:14 < write_erase> It's in their TODO list
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23:28 < write_erase_> nice kernel crash ...
23:29 < write_erase_> while inserting SD card in a USB reader... shame on me
23:29 -!- vipernicus [n=vipernic@r74-193-54-70.gldwcmta01.glwttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #t2
23:29 < vipernicus> http://www.t2-project.org/kernels/minix.html the minix link is bad
23:29 < vipernicus> links to http://http//www.minix3.org/
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23:42 < bigmatt> can anybody tell me the difference between choosing generic system or exact desktop?
23:44 < sepp_> desktop is well, kde based, with generic you can use diff pkgsel options or build all packages
23:44 < sepp_> package templates
23:45 < bigmatt> I see thx
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