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08:57 < mtr> re
08:58 < mtr> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5721442125.html
08:59 < mtr> ^--- Rene's PR work ;-)
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10:02 < tri> re
10:08 < tri> hm my new t2 build is running now - gcc 4.2 and glibc 2.6 :-)
10:09 < tri> how to install the intel ipw3945 driver ?
10:20 < mtr> hi tri
10:20 < mtr> add ipw3945 to your custom package selection and rebuild linux26 and the package itself
10:23 < mtr> rebuild either with Emerge-Pkg in your running system
10:25 < mtr> or run "Build-Target -cfg ... -job 5-linux26" in your build system, to have a clean rebuild you should remove first with "Create-ErrList -cfg ... -remove linux26"
10:25 < mtr> but then you got the kernel rebuild in stage 1 und 5
10:26 < tri> mtr: thx
10:26 < tri> i have allready build the ipw3945 packages
10:26 < tri> and i'm now rebuilding the linux26 package
10:26 < tri> with emerge-pkg
10:28 < tri> if i do build-target ... -job 5 linux26 then i will have a new t2-"gen" package, right ?
10:38 < mtr> Build-Target generates new package files into your build directory build//, and create an archive in the TOOLCHAIN/pkgs folder
10:38 < mtr> not sure if that was your question
10:38 < mtr> t2-gen ?
10:40 < tri> yes this was the answer for my question ;-)
10:41 < tri> i mean t2-gem files
10:41 < tri> built binary packages packed in tar or GEM files
10:41 < mtr> :)
10:41 < tri> i think the tar archive and the gem files are the same ?
10:42 < tri> or is there any "extra" information in these tar files ?
10:43 < mtr> yep, gem files have a file header of some package meta information, behind that the tar archived package data
10:43 < mtr> disadvantage is that you need mine to install .gem files
10:43 < tri> where are these .gem files
10:44 < mtr> they are generated in build//TOOLCHAIN/pkgs
10:46 < tri> hm
10:48 < tri> i have another question about the CreateIso script - yesterday my build was finished and i use the script to create the iso
10:49 < tri> after booting from that iso i run stone
10:49 < tri> but there was only this "small package manager"
10:49 < tri> (don't know the name)
10:49 < tri> why ? :-)
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11:00 < mtr> gasgui ?
11:02 < tri> yes gasgui
11:03 < mtr> rene has postponed the installer issues until release 8.0, its on to TODO:
11:03 < tri> ah ok
11:03 < mtr> # revisited post-install / STONE stuff ...
11:03 < tri> i just fired up stone
11:03 < mtr> # integration of an graphical installer
11:03 < tri> and there is still only gastone available
11:03 < mtr> http://www.t2-project.org/releases/
11:03 < tri> that is ok right now ?
11:05 < tri> so gasgui isn't avilable any longer
11:05 < tri> but there will be a new installer in 8.0 release ?
11:07 < mtr> hopefully ;)
11:08 < mtr> any assistance is highly appreciated
11:13 * mtr believes that T2 needs more active devs to achieve its scheduled development aims
11:17 < tri> i would like to help but i think i need a lot more knowledge about t2...
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11:27 < sepp> moin :)
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11:30 < tri> hi sepp
11:30 < sepp> hi tri :)
11:30 < mtr> moin sepp
11:30 < sepp> hi mtr :)
11:32 < tri> ok kernel build finished
11:36 < tri> hm how can i now load ipw3945 modul ?
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11:40 < sepp> modprobe ipwsomething?
11:41 < tri> modprobe ipw3945 : Module not found
11:42 < sepp> i dont know the exact name
11:42 < tri> i build the ipw3945 packages with emerge-pkg
11:42 < tri> and then build the kernel with -force and emerge-pkg
11:42 < tri> the module name should be ipw3945
11:43 < sepp> you can check /var/adm/flists/linux26
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11:44 < tri> hm there are only the ipw2100 and ipw2200 drivers ?
11:44 < tri> anybody have a idea ?
11:46 < sepp> maybe check /var/adm/logs/*-linux26, to see if ipw3945 failed to build
12:03 < tri> hm there are only the log files
12:03 < tri> like 9-linux26.log
12:03 < tri> but searching for ipw3945 in linux26.log don't found anything
12:08 < tri> can i see in the log anywhere which additional modules should be build if i do an emerge-pkg linux26 ?
12:12 < mtr> not directly, you can check config/foo/packages if ipx3945 is really enabled, the line with the module name should start with a X
12:14 < tri> hm no there is a X before ipw3945
12:14 < tri> sould i build ipw3945 with emerge-pkg or with build-pkg ?
12:15 < tri> and for what stage (-5) ?
12:18 < CIA-9> mtr * r24382 /branches/7.0/target/generic/pkgsel/ (00-minimal.in 50-minimal-desktop.in):
12:18 < CIA-9> * changed generic target package selection:
12:18 < CIA-9> fixed alsa-libs rules (has to be on a seperate line)
12:18 < CIA-9> added libcap (cdrkit depends on it)
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12:23 < tri> re
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12:53 < tri> how does this build third party modules think in t2 work ?
12:53 < tri> or what is done here http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/network/ipw3945/postlinux.conf
12:53 < tri> and here http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/network/ipw3945/pkg_linux26_post.conf
12:58 < tri> hm i think i found the problem
12:59 < tri> should the apply custom kernel build config settings be enabled in my target config to build third party modules ?
13:00 < sepp> no
13:03 < sepp> can you put the log online?
13:04 < tri> yes, uno momento
13:11 < tri> hm linux kernel still compiling
13:13 < tri> sepp: imi.st/9-ipw3945.log
13:14 < tri> sepp: imi.st/9-linux26.out
13:17 < sepp> let linux26 finish 1st ;)
13:18 < tri> ok ;-)
13:18 < tri> have to go now - i try to come back later - cu and thx !
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13:21 < mtr> generic embedded fails on gmp: not found
13:22 < mtr> libstdc++ is build, c++ headers are installed in usr/include/c++/4.2.0
13:22 < mtr> isn't it an already solved issue?
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13:59 < rxr> mtr: it was, maybe a regression when I rediffed the c++ header patch
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14:07 < mtr> hi rxr :)
14:07 < mtr> still in .tw?
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14:25 < rxr> mtr: yes
14:36 < pdinoto_> hmmm...
14:37 < pdinoto_> hi... I have just ./script/Emerge-Package -cfg ... embutils
14:37 < pdinoto_> and see all .log files going to my host's /var/adm/log/9-*.log
14:37 < pdinoto_> I fell I did something wrong...
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14:57 < rxr> pdinoto_: Emerge is to install into the runnign system
14:57 < rxr> for your sandbox target builds only use Build-Target
14:57 < rxr> if you want to build a single package Build-Target -job 1-embutils
14:57 < rxr> where 1- is the stage number
14:57 < rxr> cu - then
14:58 < pdinoto_> rxr: thanks. now it makes sense... :-)
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18:06 < tri_> re
18:07 < Stelz> rehi tri_
18:07 < tri_> so kernel build is runing again
18:07 < tri_> 30 min and i post my logs again :-)
18:32 < tri_> http://imi.st/9-linux26.log
18:32 < tri_> http://imi.st/9-ipw3945.log
18:32 < tri_> i have build ipw3945 and then linux26 with emerge-pkg
18:33 < tri_> but if i try modprobe ipw3945
18:33 < tri_> it says: Module not found
18:33 < tri_> any idea ? how does this third party modul thing work ?
18:34 < sepp_> grep grep ipw3945 config/.../packages
18:34 < sepp_> 1 grep is enough, i guess :)
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18:39 < misl> hi folks
18:40 < sepp_> hi misl
18:45 < tri_> grep ipw3945 config/.../packages - 0 -----5--- ... ipw3945
18:45 < tri_> and the same for ipw3945d
18:45 < tri_> and for ipw3945-ucode
18:46 < tri_> should i build ipw3945 with build-pkg and -stage 5 ?
18:46 < sepp_> you need to enable ipw3945 if you want to kernel mod and then rebuild linux26
18:46 < tri_> emerge-pkg ipw3945 isn't enough ?
18:47 < sepp_> no
18:47 < tri_> ah ok - the kernel package looks in config/.../packages ?
18:47 < sepp_> linux26 builds only 3rd party kernel mods if they are enabled
18:48 < sepp_> does not care if you installed ;)
18:49 < sepp_> add 'X ipw3945' to your pkgsel ...
18:49 < tri_> does build-pkg -stage 5 also not change the config/..../packages file
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18:51 < sepp_> if you vi config/.../pkgsel run './scripts/Config -cfg foo -oldconfig'
18:52 < tri_> where is the "code" for this 3rd party kernel mods ? it is not in any *desc file ?
18:52 < sepp_> in the .conf files
18:52 < tri_> what is the oldconfig option for ?
18:53 < sepp_> to regenerate the config files but not open the ui
18:53 < tri_> ui ?
18:53 < sepp_> if you edit them directly, e.g. because Config is so slow
18:53 < sepp_> gui (the dialog thing)
18:54 < tri_> yes right config is slow
18:54 < sepp_> package/network/ipw3945/postlinux.conf has the 3rd party 'code'
18:54 < tri_> why is do i need to run the config script ones again ?
18:55 < sepp_> if you edit these files with an editor, to regenerate them
18:55 < sepp_> the package files from the pkgsel rules
18:55 < tri_> ah ok
18:56 < sepp_> just add ipw3945 to the package selection and rebuild linux26 ;)
18:56 < tri_> but if i vi the package file directly it is not neccessary to run the config script again
18:56 < sepp_> not packages
18:56 < sepp_> pkgsel
18:56 < tri_> or by the way: is editing the file directly a good idea
18:57 < sepp_> do not edit packages, but pkgsel is ok
18:57 < tri_> why ? :-)
18:57 < sepp_> packages is autogenerated and will be overwritten
18:58 < tri_> hm ok make sense then...
18:59 < tri_> why is the config script slow ?
19:00 < sepp_> because it iterates over all package files all the time
19:00 < tri_> ok edited the pkgsel now - kernel26 is building now
19:00 < tri_> ah ok all the desc files
19:00 < sepp_> and packages has 'X ... ipw3945' now?
19:01 < tri_> yes
19:01 < sepp_> ;)
19:01 < tri_> but not ipw3945-ucode and ipw3945d
19:02 < tri_> but these are not needed by the kernel build
19:02 < tri_> i guess :-)
19:02 < tri_> if i had added X ipw3945* they would also be included ?
19:03 < sepp_> yes
19:03 < tri_> ok hm don't understand that: http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/network/ipw3945/postlinux.conf
19:03 < tri_> i read the handbook but it isn't clear
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19:04 < sepp_> that is because the kernel source is not in /usr/src/linux, $kerneldir and it should not call uname since it will get a wrong version, so there is lx_kernelrelease
19:06 < tri_> and how does http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.conf affect this ?
19:06 < tri_> or i think it is linux24.conf ?
19:07 < tri_> ah ok the var_append makeopt and makeinstopt are for building the ipw3945
19:07 < sepp_> yes
19:08 < tri_> $kerneldir and $lx_kernelrelease are system-wide variables ?
19:08 < tri_> or build-wide ?
19:08 < sepp_> build
19:09 < sepp_> or just linux*
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19:09 < tri_> how is the module build sequece ?
19:10 < tri_> the kernel build is starting
19:10 < tri_> then the module build is done
19:10 < tri_> and then kernel image is finished
19:10 < tri_> and that is all in http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf ?
19:10 < sepp_> it iterates over all enabled lx_3rd_party_modules
19:10 < tri_> ah for x in $lx_3rd_party_modules ; do
19:10 < sepp_> yes
19:11 < tri_> where is the $lx_3rd_party_modules variable from ?
19:11 < tri_> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/network/ipw3945/pkg_linux26_post.conf
19:11 < tri_> but why is the kernel build searching for this file ?
19:11 < sepp_> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/network/ipw3945/pkg_linux26_post.conf
19:11 < tri_> :-)
19:11 < sepp_> searching for which file?
19:12 < tri_> for the pkg_linux26_post.conf
19:12 < tri_> or searching for the variable in this file
19:12 < sepp_> that is generic, you can pkg_foo_post.conf all packages
19:13 < tri_> ah ok that is from the build system if there is a pkg_k3b_post.conf then the k3b package would "use" this file ?
19:14 < sepp_> yes, you can also use _pre.conf
19:14 < tri_> ah i found it in the handbook: Per Package Modifications
19:14 < sepp_> :)
19:14 < tri_> why this syntax: var_append lx_3rd_party_modules ' ' 'ipw3945'
19:15 < tri_> with ' ' 'ipw3945'
19:15 < tri_> why not 'ipw3945' ?
19:15 < sepp_> to append an space
19:15 < tri_> ah ok :-)
19:16 < tri_> ok when the kernel build is finished
19:16 < tri_> where are the sources - they are deleted ?
19:16 < tri_> but how or are they anywhere ?
19:16 < sepp_> they are gone after it is finished
19:17 < tri_> rm -rf linux$treever-patches ?
19:17 < sepp_> they are extracted to build the kernel itself, so they are still there
19:17 < sepp_> that is why the 3rd party thing is inside linux*
19:17 < sepp_> when a package is finished (without error) sources are removed
19:17 < tri_> what is extracted ?
19:18 < sepp_> linux26*.tar.bz2
19:18 < tri_> ah ok forgot about that the sources are everytime removed a build is finished
19:18 < sepp_> when a package build is
19:19 < tri_> ok now - fast control if i got it right:
19:19 < tri_> the kernel build is starting
19:19 < tri_> then after building the kernel
19:20 < tri_> the linux24.conf is searching for lx_3rd_party_modules
19:20 < tri_> every modul is builded
19:20 < Ragnarin> hihi
19:20 < sepp_> huhu Ragnarin
19:20 < tri_> and then tada i should have a ipw3945 modul
19:20 < tri_> hi Ragnarin
19:20 < sepp_> yes
19:20 < tri_> thx sepp_
19:21 < tri_> really great support !
19:21 < sepp_> this way you dont need 300+mb usr/src/linux and it would be the wrong version or the wrong .config anyway
19:21 < sepp_> so that would not work well, that is how it was before ...
19:22 < Ragnarin> hm we already have a ipw3945 package don't we? o_o
19:22 < sepp_> yes, but no ati driver :)
19:23 < tri_> yes right
19:23 < tri_> :-)
19:23 < tri_> ok the modul is there
19:23 < tri_> loading it and tada tada i have wlan support :-)
19:23 < Ragnarin> :0
19:23 < Ragnarin> oops :)
19:23 < tri_> so now no need to block the kitchen table near the router :-))
19:24 < tri_> anylonger
19:24 < sepp_> hehe
19:25 < tri_> why isn't build-pkg or emerge-pkg not adding a X to the package list ?
19:26 < Ragnarin> hm? o_o
19:29 < tri_> yes ok right - stupid question :-)
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19:43 < tri_> hi eyowin
19:51 < tri_> hm silly
19:51 < tri_> i just reboot my machine and now the ipw3945d can't be started again
19:52 < tri_> modprobe ipw3945 works
19:52 < tri_> i found the module in lsmod
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19:52 < tri_> but ipw3945d said: could not find intel pro... connection
19:52 < tri_> ?
19:53 < Ragnarin> hm o_o
19:54 < tri_> the ipw3945 ucode file is in lib/firmware
20:05 < tri_> hm
20:05 < tri_> now i rebuild the kernel and the ipw3945 daemon is working agian ?
20:05 < tri_> wups ??
20:06 < tri_> so i have to do anything else after building the kernel with emerge-pkg ?
20:06 < Ragnarin> hmm o_o
20:06 < Ragnarin> did it recreate the initrd successfully?
20:07 < Ragnarin> otherwise you might still be loading the old module on startup
20:07 < tri_> normaly the initrd is recreated automaticly ?
20:07 < Ragnarin> yea
20:07 < Ragnarin> check the end of your kernel build log
20:09 < tri_> hm
20:10 < tri_> 5.1M /boot/initrd-2.6.21.3-dist.img
20:11 < tri_> that seems to be ok
20:14 < tri_> no i reboot again
20:14 < tri_> and the same issue
20:14 < tri_> modprobe ipw3945 works but the ipw3945 daemon won't start
20:42 < tri_> ah ok
20:42 < tri_> ipw3945.ucode load filaed: Reason -2
20:42 < tri_> Could not read microcode ?
20:42 < tri_> but ipw3945 is in /lib/firmware ?
20:44 < Ragnarin> oooh ok
20:44 < tri_> ok ?
20:44 < Ragnarin> you also need to put the microcode into the initrd
20:44 < tri_> hm how to do that :-)
20:45 < Ragnarin> modify the mkinitrd script
20:45 < Ragnarin> to also copy /lib/firmware
20:47 < sepp_> that red makes me blind :p
20:49 < Ragnarin> lol
21:02 < tri_> hm why is this red
21:02 < tri_> a ok :-)
21:03 < tri_> is there a way to edit the mkinird script from the ipw3945-ucode package ?
21:03 < tri_> i mean automaticly
21:06 < Ragnarin> don't think so
21:08 < tri_> ah ok this is a custum mkinitrd script
21:09 < tri_> just copy the ipw.ucode file to $tmp/lib/firmware should be enough ?
21:09 < Ragnarin> yea you can edit it freely
21:12 < tri_> ok just testing it
21:15 < Ragnarin> yea
21:17 < tri_> this also might be the right file to add encrypted partition support ?
21:17 < tri_> the t2 initrd file is quite big - why ?
21:18 < Ragnarin> yea
21:18 < Ragnarin> has all the modules ...
21:24 < tri_> hm yes see this hm
21:26 < tri_> ok working
21:26 < tri_> its only one line
21:27 < tri_> should i mail it to the list ?
21:27 < tri_> and what about all the modules is this neccessery ?
21:27 < tri_> or is there allready any "work in progress" ?
21:32 < Ragnarin> no work in progress on that atm I think
21:33 < Ragnarin> the problem is: you never know which module you might need in the initrd
21:33 < Ragnarin> for example, you might need the wireless stuff (for a net-mounted rootfs)
21:34 < Ragnarin> and you might need each of the scsi drivers ... or filesystems ... so ... where to stop?
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22:12 < tri_> Ragnarin: i like the arch solution http://wiki.archlinux.de/?title=Mkinitcpio :-)
22:12 < tri_> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Initramfs
22:13 < Ragnarin> very gentooish :)
22:13 < tri_> ah ok ;-)
22:42 < pdinoto_> should embutils be buildable with uClibc?
22:44 < sepp_> dietlibc
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23:09 < pdinoto_> thanks sepp_
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