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09:05 < tr1> trunk 09:06 < rxr> hm - I thought I fixed that 09:06 < rxr> probably time for a test-build on my side 09:06 < tr1> in the iwlwifi postlinux.conf there is MAC80211_INC=$moduledir/source/include/net 09:07 < rxr> if you want to take a look yourself, as Ragnarin said it is probably just a matter of setting some make variable to let it pick up on cross build 09:07 < rxr> btw. on which stage does it fail? 1 (cross build) or 5 (native build)? 09:07 < tr1> native build 09:07 < tr1> i do emerg-pkg -force linux26 09:07 < rxr> ah - ok, stage 9 is native build as well 09:08 < tr1> hm where are the mac80211 kernel headers 09:08 < rxr> (emerges run in stage 9, which is last thing of native builds) 09:08 < rxr> they are in the kernel and the third party module usually wants to find them via the temp. kernel source or module dir 09:08 < Ragnarin> btw I tried it again, builds fine for me 09:09 < Ragnarin> does the mac80211 patch apply cleanly earlier? 09:10 < tr1> ah hi ragnarin ;-) 09:10 < tr1> have go to sleep yesterday i hope your lunch was good 09:11 < Ragnarin> yea it was 09:11 < Ragnarin> you do have mac80211 in your pkgsel? 09:11 < tr1> ah no ! 09:11 < Ragnarin> then that may very well be the reason :D 09:11 < rxr> lol 09:12 < rxr> heh - I build an update here now anyway, good for security in any case .-) 09:12 < tr1> hm but at least the error was found... 09:12 < tr1> ah ok why using SETI@home if you can build the kernel again... 09:13 < rxr> in T2 you can set a debug flag to just build the modules 09:13 < rxr> (not the kernel) 09:13 < rxr> (and use ccache anyway :-) 09:13 < tr1> how to set such a debug flag ? 09:13 < rxr> SDEDEBUG_LINUX_SUBMODULES_ONLY=1 ./scripts/Emerge ... linux26 09:13 < tr1> is it enough to edit the pkgsel with vim or do i have to run any "newconfig" command ? 09:14 < rxr> he target/.../pkgsel ? 09:14 < rxr> ^-the 09:14 < rxr> after you edit the pkgsel you need to Config -oldconfig 09:14 < rxr> but hey, wait 09:15 < rxr> the Bulid-Target already runs the Config -oldconfig automagically on-demand 09:15 < rxr> I think we should fixed Emerge-Pkg to do the same 09:15 < mtr> moin 09:15 < tr1> hi mtr 09:16 < rxr> moin moin mtr 09:16 < CIA-9> susan * r24647 /trunk/package/graphic/dcraw/dcraw.desc: * updated dcraw (8.74 -> 8.75) 09:16 < CIA-9> susan * r24648 /trunk/package/network/ddclient/ddclient.desc: * updated ddclient (3.7.1 -> 3.7.2) 09:19 < CIA-9> mtr * r24649 /trunk/package/www/firefox/firefox.conf: 09:19 < CIA-9> * fixed firefox to actually install the nss header files 09:19 < CIA-9> (folder name changed) 09:21 < rxr> oh - that might be the reason why nautilus and openoffice-org did not found those when I wanted to build them against firefox. Good catch! 09:25 < mtr> evolution depends on the mozilla nss libs, too 09:27 < CIA-9> rene * r24650 /trunk/package/mail/msmtp/msmtp.desc: * updated msmtp (1.4.11 -> 1.4.12) 09:27 < CIA-9> rene * r24651 /trunk/package/network/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.desc: * updated ndiswrapper (1.46 -> 1.47) 09:28 < CIA-9> rene * r24652 /trunk/package/graphic/cowsay/ (cowsay.conf cowsay.desc): * de-custmained cowsay 09:31 < CIA-9> rene * r24653 /trunk/package/ (8 files in 4 dirs): * fixed vamps, p0f, wipe, (the classic) hotplug, to cross build 09:55 < tr1> hm i build the kernel now 09:55 < tr1> but modprobe iwl3945 said module iwl3945 not found 09:56 < tr1> build was fine this time 09:57 < tr1> i also have the firmware in /lib/firmware 09:57 < tr1> and have build it into the initrd 09:59 < rxr> is the module in /lib/modules/... ? 10:00 < tr1> ... ? 10:00 < tr1> hm in KMISC=$moduledir/kernel/drivers/net/wireles 10:00 < tr1> shouldn't it be wireless ? 10:01 < tr1> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/network/iwlwifi/postlinux.conf 10:01 < tr1> is there a typo ? 10:01 < rxr> probably, but it shoudl work nontheless 10:02 < rxr> the tools too not care about a name at all 10:03 < CIA-9> rene * r24654 /trunk/package/network/iwlwifi/postlinux.conf: * fixed wireles -> wirele_ss_ typo in iwlwifi/postlinux.conf 10:03 < tr1> yes did that 10:05 < mtr> rxr: firefox uses a GCC_WRAPPER_INSERT to globally inject X11 libs, I want to replace this by a simple one-liner patch: 10:05 < mtr> + ifdef MOZ_ENABLE_GTK2 10:05 < mtr> + EXTRA_DSO_LDOPTS += $(MOZ_GTK2_LIBS) \ 10:05 < mtr> ++ $(XLDFLAGS) -lX11 -lXrender \ 10:05 < mtr> + $(NULL) 10:05 < mtr> + endif 10:06 < rxr> it does build ? 10:07 < mtr> yes 10:07 < rxr> well - sure 10:07 < mtr> for x86 10:07 < rxr> but I think we have this in most newer mozilla a-like packages 10:07 < rxr> thunderbird and co as well 10:07 < mtr> but XLDFLAGS should cover x86_64 as well 10:07 < rxr> did you fix those as well ? 10:07 < rxr> btw. I wonder why it builds on other distributions without the patch 10:07 < mtr> untested 10:08 < rxr> if you find the time to patch the other as well it woudl be appreciated 10:08 < rxr> I can test build them on the ref tester 10:08 < mtr> ok 10:11 < CIA-9> rene * r24655 /trunk/package/network/nginx/nginx.desc: * updated nginx (0.5.24 -> 0.5.25) 10:11 < CIA-9> rene * r24656 /trunk/package/develop/hte/hte.desc: * updated hte (2.0.6 -> 2.0.7) 10:11 < CIA-9> rene * r24657 /trunk/package/base/pcre/pcre.desc: * updated pcre (7.1 -> 7.2) 10:11 < CIA-9> rene * r24658 /trunk/package/audio/libgpod/libgpod.desc: * updated libgpod (0.4.2 -> 0.5.0) 10:12 < CIA-9> rene * r24659 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/udev.desc: * updated udev (111 -> 112) 10:13 < CIA-9> rene * r24660 /trunk/package/base/device-mapper/device-mapper.desc: * updated device-mapper (1.02.19 -> 1.02.20) 10:13 < CIA-9> rene * r24661 /trunk/package/kde/kalarm/kalarm.desc: * updated kalarm (1.4.11 -> 1.4.13) 10:13 < CIA-9> rene * r24662 /trunk/package/kde/digikam/digikam.desc: * updated digikam (0.9.1 -> 0.9.2) 10:28 < mtr> weird ... or normal? ... do we generally have a stripped /lib/libpthread.so? 10:29 < rxr> if you do not built with debugging enabled it probably will be stripped, yes 10:29 < mtr> seems that libthread_db cannot resolve some symbols for debugging 10:30 < mtr> how can I disable stripping, without SDECFG_DEBUG? 10:33 < rxr> yes 10:36 < sepp> moin :) 10:36 < tr1> hi sepp 10:36 < sepp> hi tr1 10:37 < rxr> moin sepp 10:37 < mtr> hi sepp 10:37 < sepp> hi rxr, mtr :) 10:37 [Users #t2] 10:37 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ] 10:37 [ cbrake ] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ tr1 ] 10:37 [ CIA-9 ] [ Fatal ] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz] [ valentin] 10:37 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 11:00 < tr1> ah now i have the ipw3945 module in /lib/ ... 11:01 < tr1> just one reboot away from modprobe it 11:01 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-66.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #t2 11:02 < sepp> why do you need to reboot to do that? 11:03 < tr1> because it is build for the new kernel 11:03 < tr1> hm after i do emerge-pkg linux26 11:03 < tr1> i also have to change grub settings ? 11:03 < tr1> or is this done automaticly ? 11:04 < sepp> if it is a new version, you can use stone 11:04 < CIA-9> rene * r24663 /trunk/package/ (17 files in 8 dirs): 11:04 < CIA-9> * fixed stunnel, metamail, transconnect, nudelstats, xskat, wakkabox, 11:04 < CIA-9> prngd, and mplayer-fonts to cross build 11:05 < tr1> can i load a new linux kernel without rebooting ? 11:05 < sepp> no 11:05 < rxr> yes with kexec 11:07 < tr1> hm some time ago i read something about that option - i will have a look at kexec just for intrest 11:07 < tr1> till now i edited the grub menu with vim but stone is nice to edit it: it founds all kernels... 11:08 < tr1> tada: modprobe iwl3945 11:08 < tr1> and now i have a new device wmaster0 and wlan0 11:08 < rxr> I think kexec is not yet enabled in T2 default kernels 11:08 < rxr> experiemntal anyway 11:09 < tr1> but also a warning: driver for device wlan0 was been compiled with version 22 of wireless extension 11:09 < tr1> while this programm supports up to version 20 . some things may be broken 11:09 < rxr> you can ingore that ... 11:09 < tr1> ah ok 11:09 < tr1> that's from the iwlwifi driver ? 11:09 < rxr> I think we should patch this nonsense message away 11:09 < rxr> no, I think the wireless tools print that out 11:10 < rxr> I bet SuSE and RedHat patch that away ... 11:10 < rxr> I never found anything broken either ... 11:11 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@Z574e.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 11:14 < tr1> yes sure SuSE (or is it typed S.U.S.E or suse or SusE) and RedHat patch a lot of the packages... 11:15 -!- Dallur [n=earl@fire-out.ru.is] has quit ["Leaving."] 11:16 -!- Dallur [n=earl@fire-out.ru.is] has joined #t2 11:19 < tr1> from the rt wiki: "Controlling a laser with Linux is crazy, but everyone in this room is crazy in his own way. So if you want to use Linux to control an industrial welding laser, I have no problem with your using PREEMPT_RT." -- Linus Torvalds 11:21 < rxr> heh 11:21 < tr1> kexec is not part of t2 yet ? 11:22 < rxr> it's part of recent kernels 11:22 < rxr> you just have to enable it in the .config 11:22 < rxr> t2 does not do that, yes, as far as I know 11:22 < rxr> despite if the default state for that CONFIG_KEXEC stuff changed and it is on by default :_) 11:23 < tr1> aren't the kexec-tools needed ? 11:23 < Dallur> tr1: I'm controlling a 2.5m x 6.5m Plasma cutting robot with linux myself, laser is actually simpler and easier to do than plasma 11:24 < rxr> tr1: probably, maybe submit a patch adding those 11:24 < Dallur> tr1: http://linuxcnc.org/ 11:26 < CIA-9> mtr * r24664 /trunk/package/www/firefox/ (firefox.conf gtk2-x11-libs.patch): * remove firefox build workaround, use a makefile patch instead to add X11 libs 11:26 < tr1> rxr: yip, i will do that 11:26 < Fatal> heh, shame I don't get enough time to port our system to t2, or I would have kexec stuff added already :) 11:26 < Fatal> goodie, one less thing I'll have to worry about \o/ 11:26 < CIA-9> mtr * r24665 /trunk/package/www/seamonkey/ (gtk2-x11-libs.patch seamonkey.conf): * remove seamonkey build workaround, use a makefile patch instead to add X11 libs 11:28 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z4174.z.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:29 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp 11:32 < mtr> we do have /usr/bin/perl setuid, is ths intentional? 11:36 < tr1> hm: There may be times you would want to run perl scripts as non-root users.  This offers more security to your system and this guide will show you how to enable perl to use setuid. 11:37 < tr1> from *bsd wiki 11:37 < tr1> maybe it is a good idea to have "ENABLE_SUIDPERL=true" 11:44 < rxr> mtr: this is historic 11:44 < rxr> mtr: I noticed this caues some fooomatic-rip stufff to error out just because of the setuid bit 11:47 < mtr> and some aclocal regressions: 11:47 < mtr> Insecure $ENV{PATH} while running setuid at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-t2-linux-gnu/IO/File.pm line 192. 11:47 < mtr> make: *** [aclocal.m4] Fehler 1 11:52 < tr1> what is the way if there are more the one author use two or three [A] 11:52 < rxr> yeah - that is also like what some foomatic stuff spits into the log for certain printer rasterizers .. 11:52 < tr1> or just put them all in one [A] ? 11:53 < rxr> tr1: yes, multiple [A]'s is just fine 11:53 < rxr> many packages ahve that already 12:48 -!- idealm [n=ideal@c58-107-18-66.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:49 -!- idealm [n=ideal@58.105.232.64] has joined #t2 12:54 -!- tr1 [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:13 -!- idealm [n=ideal@58.105.232.64] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:19 -!- tri [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 13:23 < tri> re 13:23 < rxr> re 13:32 < sepp> er 13:32 < tri> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=475709 13:35 < tri> do i have to give the full download url in the [D] 13:35 < tri> or can i X filename http://aewfawefawef/dasdf/ ? 13:36 < sepp> the later 13:46 < tri> what is $confdir ? 13:55 < tri> how to build a package which don't have the ./configure make make install thing 13:55 < tri> but ah tar.gz 13:55 < tri> where a install.sh script is int ? 13:55 < tri> s/int/in 13:56 < tri> and that should be executed ? 13:56 < tri> i tried: 13:56 < tri> makeopt= 13:56 < tri> makeinstopt= 13:56 < tri> hook_add postmake 5 'install.sh /' 13:56 < tri> but that didn't work ? 13:58 -!- idealm [n=ideal@58.105.232.64] has joined #t2 14:08 < tri> what is the var for the extracted package dir ? 14:09 < tri> like builddir for the builddir is there also a var for "builddir/extrackt_package/ ? 14:18 < tri> ah 14:18 < tri> no i have used in postmake 5 '$builddir/$pkg/install.sh /' 14:18 < tri> no/now 14:18 < tri> is this the right way ? 14:19 < rxr> re 14:20 < rxr> well - this will break for cross builds 14:20 < rxr> you need at least $root/ 14:20 < rxr> but what kind of package is that? just installing files? or compiling something ?= 14:21 < tri> just installing files 14:22 < tri> postmake 5 '$builddir/$pkg/install.sh /' break cross builds ? 14:22 < tri> how to do it "better" ? 14:24 < sepp> use $root/ as target 14:24 < tri> ah ok not "/" ? 14:25 < sepp> no ;) 14:25 < tri> ? 14:25 < sepp> not just "/" 14:25 < tri> ah yes not i understand it 14:25 < rxr> just using / will place the new files int the system you build on, not in the new sandbox 14:26 < tri> cross build isn't installing any files here 14:26 < rxr> though T2 "should" scream about this before you mess your system up 14:26 < tri> but for the tar.gz package which is created 14:26 < tri> for the crossbuild 14:26 < tri> right ? 14:26 < tri> ah ok 14:26 < tri> sorry i'm not that family with t2 but it is getting a bit better... 14:27 < tri> hm i allready wondered why build-pkg installed the files... 14:28 < tri> hm build package was working 14:28 < tri> but emerg-pkg said Error: No such a package 14:28 < tri> the package is just in my target might that be the problem ? 14:28 < sepp> it was not yet in config/.../packages 14:29 < tri> how to get it into config/.../packages ? 14:30 < sepp> rerun Config with -oldconfig 14:30 < rxr> rerun Config with -oldconfig 14:30 < rxr> now that was synchron typing 14:30 < sepp> hehe :) 14:30 < tri> :-) 14:30 < tri> thx both ;-) 14:30 < tri> i try both commands... 14:31 < tri> hm it said Configuration finished but emerg-pkg still not working 14:32 < sepp> it is not enabled? X ... ? 14:33 < tri> hm not it is not in there 14:33 < tri> in the package file 14:41 < tri> ? 14:43 < rxr> in the [P]riority tag of the package file 14:43 < rxr> maybe upload the .desc and we take a look 14:43 < tri> thx :-) 14:43 < tri> P X-1---5---9 100.000 14:44 < rxr> missing space 14:44 < rxr> [P] X -1---5---9 100.000 14:45 < rxr> and probably the patckage should not be built in stage 1 forced, as stage is is "cross build what is needed for a new freestanding system 14:45 < rxr> " 14:49 < tri> http://imi.st/mkinitcpio.desc and http://imi.st/mkinitcpio.conf 14:53 < rxr> oh 14:53 < tri> ? 14:54 < rxr> (just wander if we need such a package) 14:54 < rxr> was hopking for kexec tools or so 14:54 < rxr> what is this script doing? calling cpio ? 14:54 < tri> jop it is building a initrd 14:55 < rxr> the scripts look ok so far 14:55 < rxr> where did you place those ? 14:55 < tri> kexec-tools will follow at the evening 14:55 < tri> place those ? 14:55 < rxr> where in package/ ? 14:55 < tri> ah ok 14:56 < tri> in target/.../package/mkinitcpio 14:56 < rxr> oh 14:56 < tri> hm oh's are good ? 14:56 < rxr> I think this will cause all sorts of horror happening 14:56 < rxr> you can only extend packages that exist 14:56 < rxr> place it in package/contrib/mkinitcpio 14:56 < tri> ah ok 14:57 < tri> what is contrib for (the dir) ? 14:57 < rxr> probably we should harden some scripts here and there for such cases 14:57 < rxr> package/contrib/ 14:57 < rxr> for stuff that is not yet decided where to place 14:57 < tri> ah ok 15:00 < tri> so it is not the right way to "test" package in my own target 15:00 < tri> target's are more for special config options package selections etc ? 15:01 < tri> hm still not 15:01 < tri> i moved it but emerge-pkg still don' know the package 15:01 < tri> i also did -oldconfig 15:01 < tri> build-pkg still works 15:01 -!- idealm [n=ideal@58.105.232.64] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:03 < tri> hm but now it is int packages file 15:04 < rxr> k# ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg mkinitcpio 15:04 < rxr> checking mkinitcpio ... Not installed. Added. 15:04 < rxr> Packages scheduled to build: mkinitcpio 15:04 < rxr> works for me 15:04 < rxr> so far 15:05 < tri> ah i have to use -force in emerg-pkg 15:05 < tri> sorry for the noise works here to... 15:06 < tri> :-( 15:06 < rxr> hm ? 15:06 < rxr> maybe not selectd in your target or so ... 15:14 < rxr> tri: should I commit your package, now ? 15:17 < CIA-9> rene * r24666 /trunk/package/contrib/mkinitcpio/ (. mkinitcpio.cache mkinitcpio.conf mkinitcpio.desc): 15:17 < CIA-9> Tobias Richter : 15:17 < CIA-9> * added mkinitcpio (0.5.9) - mkinitcpio 15:27 < tri> wups that was fast ;-) 15:30 < CIA-9> rene * r24667 /trunk/package/contrib/mkinitcpio/mkinitcpio.desc: 15:30 < CIA-9> * imroved mkinitcpio to have a trailing dot in the Text tag, a 15:30 < CIA-9> checksun, and not build it in stage 1 by default 15:35 < tri> no need to add this packages but thx that's nice ;-) 15:35 < tri> i only want to make a few tests with mkinitcpio 15:36 < rxr> we can still have it as an option and/or remove it later on anyway :_) 15:36 < rxr> "release early release often" 15:38 < tri> yes, nice :-) 15:42 < tri> and i like this option even for "burning apps" there are a few different packages 15:42 < rxr> packages missing ? 15:43 < tri> no i mean there are min. 5 different burning apps why not use 2 different initrd shell scripts ? 15:43 < tri> s/use/provide 15:45 < rxr> ah - sure 15:52 < CIA-9> rene * r24668 /trunk/package/base/gpm/ (gpm.conf gpm.desc): 15:52 < CIA-9> * fixed gpm to cross build in way it is also functional thereafter, 15:52 < CIA-9> and not leak stray files in /etc/$root :-) 16:16 -!- kic- [n=kicstah@adsl-074-238-088-206.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #t2 16:17 < kic-> hi 16:17 < tri> hi kic- 16:17 < rxr> hi kic- 16:17 < kic-> hi there 16:18 < kic-> rene 16:18 < kic-> we are looking at possibly the week of July 2nd 16:18 < kic-> can i /msg you? 16:19 < rxr> kic-: yes, just msg me always :-) 16:19 < kic-> k 16:20 < rxr> sepp: do you have the latest viewcvs of e17 handy ? 16:24 < sepp> i think there is none since they left sf.net 16:27 < rxr> :-( 16:30 < sepp> http://web.enlightenment.org/viewvc/e17/ ahh 16:30 < sepp> there it is 16:31 < rxr> oh - thank you so much 16:31 < tri> http://e.kevb.net/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/ 16:31 < tri> would also be a option ;-) 16:32 < sepp> ohh 16:34 < sepp> which one was the outdated one? 16:34 < rxr> thanks - found what I was looking for 16:34 < sepp> evas ? 16:35 < rxr> no the evas demos, apparently outsourced into expedite, now 16:35 < rxr> ok - gotta go - back in 1h 16:36 < tri> cu rxr 16:52 < tri> bye 16:52 -!- tri [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #t2 [] 16:54 -!- keztoo [n=root@adsl-074-238-088-206.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #t2 17:37 < rxr> re 17:38 < rxr> welcome keztoo 17:38 [Users #t2] 17:38 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ keztoo] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin] 17:38 [ cbrake ] [ emte ] [ kic- ] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz] 17:38 [ CIA-9 ] [ Fatal ] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX] 17:38 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 17:39 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@Z46ef.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 17:43 < keztoo> hi 17:43 < keztoo> thank you 17:44 < keztoo> rxr i have a question when you have a minute 17:46 < rxr> sure 17:46 < keztoo> from a high level 17:47 < keztoo> when doing a cross build the system sometimes tries to chroot and run a target tool 17:47 < keztoo> but if the host machine doesnt support the target instruction set it will always fail 17:47 < CIA-9> rene * r24669 /trunk/package/e17/expedite/ (. expedite.cache expedite.desc): * added expedite (2007-06-10) - A test and benchmark for the Evas canvas library 17:48 < keztoo> kind of like 1.1.1 x11 where it tries to run makekeys but it cant run 64 bit on a 32 bit host 17:48 < rxr> keztoo: in T2 on a cross build nothing does like chroot 17:48 < rxr> keztoo: some packages (that we did not already fix) build helper tools with the cross compiler and try to run them directly 17:48 < rxr> keztoo: just like ./gen-table ... foo bar 17:48 < keztoo> yes, that is what i have seen 17:48 < rxr> those need to be fixed to build the helper with the host compiler, not the cross one 17:49 < rxr> we'll successive correct such instances 17:49 < rxr> we could also integrate a "target system emulator" to run those helper apps, and could build more automatically 17:49 < keztoo> so for example with x11 makekeys the make has to be changed to run the 32 (or host) version , right ? 17:49 < rxr> yes, 17:50 < rxr> but I'm under the impression we can build X.org stuff cross already 17:50 < keztoo> ok, just wanted to make sure what i was seeing was what was happening 17:50 < rxr> do you use trunk ? 17:50 < rxr> trunk:HEAD 17:50 < keztoo> i somehow got a 1.1.1 pkg but i noticed the latest is 1.1.2 17:50 < keztoo> no, i used the standard mirrors 17:50 < keztoo> i am trying to get the head w svs now 17:51 < keztoo> i also tried to change the package to grab 1.1.2 but of course since i didnt fix all the patches i got invalid chunks 17:53 < keztoo> i will grab the latest head now and try again, thank you for your input 17:53 < rxr> for really complex stuff we later could also support running qemu on those cross built binaries, but we want to cross build as much as possible first, as that is the cleanest, most portable and also fasted solution 17:54 < rxr> keztoo: your're welcome 17:57 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z574e.z.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:00 -!- kic- [n=kicstah@adsl-074-238-088-206.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:00 -!- keztoo [n=root@adsl-074-238-088-206.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:02 -!- keztoo [n=root@adsl-074-238-088-206.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #t2 18:05 < CIA-9> rene * r24670 /trunk/package/develop/libatomic_ops/ (. libatomic_ops.cache libatomic_ops.desc): * added libatomic_ops (1.1) - The atomic_ops project 18:06 -!- kic- [n=kicstah@adsl-074-238-088-206.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #t2 18:10 < keztoo> to get the trunk:head is this the correct svn cmd ... 18:11 < keztoo> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk t2-head ?? 18:13 < rxr> yes 18:13 < rxr> and then run svn up inside the directory to update from the version control server 18:15 < keztoo> i just executed svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/tr/trunk t2-trunk 18:15 < keztoo> this should also be ok , right ?? 18:15 < keztoo> as long as i do the update after it downloads? 18:16 < rxr> t2/trunk 18:16 < rxr> when it downloaded it is up-to-date 18:16 < keztoo> ok, so i did the right one 18:16 < keztoo> ty 18:17 < rxr> the "svn up" is just for like in 8 hours or tomorrow when you want to receive the delta of "what changed between now and the time you run it" 18:17 < keztoo> got it, ty 18:38 < kic-> brb, switching network 18:38 -!- kic- [n=kicstah@adsl-074-238-088-206.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit [] 18:45 -!- PAVLINUX [n=pavel@ppp85-140-133-188.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #t2 18:46 < PAVLINUX> Hello World 18:47 < rxr> hello PAV 18:48 < keztoo> hi 18:48 [Users #t2] 18:48 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ keztoo] [ PAVLINUX] [ sepp_] [ valentin] 18:48 [ cbrake ] [ emte ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz] 18:48 [ CIA-9 ] [ Fatal ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX] 18:48 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 18:48 < mtr> hi PAVLINUX 18:49 < rxr> hi mtr 18:50 < PAVLINUX> What do you think about this - http://www.stardust.webpages.pl/files/handbook/handbook-en-0.3-rc1.pdf 18:51 < rxr> oeh - puh 18:51 < rxr> that is a long read - what particualry do you have in mind ? 19:03 < CIA-9> rene * r24671 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 19:03 < CIA-9> * fixed libsndfile to cross build (patched configure.ac fragment did 19:03 < CIA-9> not expand correctly) 19:03 < CIA-9> * marked liboil, libsamplerate to cross build 19:04 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@adsl-64-237-248-104.prtc.net] has joined #t2 19:04 < CIA-9> rene * r24672 /trunk/package/audio/pulseaudio/ (. pulseaudio.cache pulseaudio.desc): * added pulseaudio (0.9.6) - Yet another sound server for Unix 19:05 [Users #t2] 19:05 [@ChanServ] [ Dallur] [ keztoo] [ PAVLINUX] [ sepp_ ] [ TobiX ] 19:05 [ cbrake ] [ emte ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnarin] [ sparc-kly_] [ valentin] 19:05 [ CIA-9 ] [ Fatal ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz ] 19:05 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 19:06 < keztoo> thats a big document PAV, i think i'll curl up in front of the fireplace with a bottle of wine and a loved one to read it 19:06 < keztoo> :-) 19:24 < PAVLINUX> 66 pages! It's BIG DOCUMENT ;-\ 19:24 -!- PAVLINUX [n=pavel@ppp85-140-133-188.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:30 < CIA-9> rene * r24673 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 19:30 < CIA-9> * fixed libfame to cross build for $arch != x86 19:30 < CIA-9> * marked libiriverdb and ruby to cross compile 19:31 < CIA-9> rene * r24674 /trunk/package/gnome2/evince/evince.desc: * updated evince (0.9.0 -> 0.9.1) 19:31 < CIA-9> rene * r24675 /trunk/package/doc/howtos/howtos.desc: * updated howtos (20070609 -> 20070616) 19:44 < rxr> ok - cu all then 19:44 < keztoo> by rxr and ty 19:48 -!- keztoo [n=root@adsl-074-238-088-206.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 19:48 -!- PAVLINUX [n=pavel@ppp85-140-133-188.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #t2 19:58 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:59 < misl> hi folks 20:08 < mtr> hi misl 20:31 -!- kic- [i=kicstah@adsl-074-238-088-201.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #t2 20:31 < kic-> any known build problems with perl & gdbm? 20:32 < kic-> tried to build minimal desktop with xorg target, and errors out when building perl with ld: cannot find -lgdbm 20:32 < sepp_> gdbm not enabled? 20:33 < kic-> how do you enable/disable it 20:34 < sepp_> grep gdbm config/.../packages 20:34 < sepp_> when the line does not start iwth an X is it not enabled 20:36 < kic-> hrm 20:36 < kic-> it started with O 20:36 < kic-> so i can just edit that file, and change it to an X right? 20:36 < kic-> and re-run the Build-Target 20:36 < sepp_> then it will never find gdbm 20:36 < kic-> ? 20:36 < sepp_> no 20:36 < kic-> hrm 20:36 < sepp_> run Config 20:36 < kic-> ok 20:36 < sepp_> expert options 20:36 < sepp_> custom package selection 20:36 < sepp_> X gdbm 20:37 < kic-> hrm 20:37 < kic-> ok 20:37 < sepp_> that happens with minimal-xorg ? 20:38 < kic-> yep 20:38 < kic-> minimul xorg, with x86-64, core2 optimize, generic system 20:38 < sepp_> ok, will try later and add it to the real pkgsel :) 20:39 < kic-> cool 20:40 < kic-> changed config, trying rebuild now 20:41 < kic-> hrm 20:41 < kic-> same error 20:41 < kic-> any caches i have to clear before re-building? 20:41 < sepp_> no 20:41 < sepp_> has it build gdbm 1st? 20:41 < kic-> cause Build-Target didn't actually start downloading gdbm and building it before perl 20:41 < kic-> it just started right at perl again 20:42 < sepp_> 1-perl ? 20:42 < kic-> yeah 20:42 < sepp_> well, that should build without gdb 20:42 < sepp_> i think 20:43 < sepp_> gdbm 20:43 < kic-> it gets all the way to the bottom of perl compile, and tries to finally link a binary with gcc -o miniperl [more junk] -lgdbm 20:43 < kic-> hrm 20:43 < kic-> anyway i can tell the perl build not to use -lgdbm 20:43 < kic-> ? 20:45 < sepp_> you could remove -lgdbm from the gcc wrapper 20:46 < PAVLINUX> tar -xvjf perl.tar.bz && cd perl && grep -R lgdbm ./* 20:46 < kic-> where can i edit the gcc wrapper? 20:46 < PAVLINUX> vi configure; /gdbm dd 20:48 < sepp_> var_append GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE ' ' '-lgdbm' 20:49 < sepp_> in package/perl/perl/perl.conf 20:49 < kic-> hrm 20:49 < kic-> k 20:49 < sepp_> after # build a native miniperl 20:51 < kic-> k, re-running build 20:53 < kic-> woot, that worked 20:53 < kic-> on to autoconf now 20:53 < kic-> yay 20:53 < sepp_> :) 20:53 < kic-> i should bring my questions in here more often 20:53 < kic-> heh 20:54 < kic-> can't be to many errors with this one 20:54 < kic-> its just a default build for the most part 20:55 < kic-> kernel patches and compile is one of the last builds right? 20:56 < kic-> its downloading 2.6.21.tar.bz2 at the moment 20:56 < sepp_> no, it builds in several stages 20:56 < sepp_> and linux* is quite early 20:57 < kic-> i saw that it already built linux 2*17 or something 20:57 < kic-> previously 20:57 < kic-> how far into it, is udev? 20:57 < sepp_> very early 20:57 < kic-> i haven't seen what stage its in, cause i walked away earlier 20:57 < kic-> aww 20:57 < kic-> ok 20:57 < kic-> got a while to go then i guess 20:57 < kic-> :D 20:57 < sepp_> that will be a long walk 20:57 < sepp_> :) 20:58 < kic-> hehe 20:58 < kic-> the machine i'm building on has some horse power though 20:58 < kic-> dual xeon 3ghz, with core2 duo, 2GB RAM, 1GB SWAP 21:13 < sepp_> still takes some h 21:16 < kic-> does it build the modules multiple times also? 21:16 < sepp_> modules? 21:16 < kic-> kernel modules 21:17 < sepp_> yes, it builds an complete toolchain 1st, glibc binutils gcc, all that stuff 21:17 < kic-> hrm, neat 21:18 < sepp_> and later it builds the real stuff with the toolchain in the sandbox ... 21:20 < kic-> ahh 21:20 < kic-> thats where some previous builds i was trying were erroring out then 21:21 < kic-> was getting chroot: error bash exec format error 21:21 < kic-> or soemthing like that 21:21 < kic-> yesterday 21:21 < sepp_> that would mean your cpu can not run the binaries you created - for example because it is for an different cpu 21:22 < kic-> erm 21:22 < kic-> that was a for a cross compile though 21:22 < sepp_> like building ppc on some x86* 21:22 < kic-> but you should be able to do that with cross compiling 21:22 < kic-> right? 21:23 < sepp_> no, there is fast growing support for cross compilation but if some package wants to run some thing - it needs a patch 21:24 < sepp_> but you can already crosscompile quite a lot 21:24 < kic-> all of our cross compiling would be for a small embedded system 21:24 < kic-> with just minimal requirements.. 21:25 < sepp_> that should be fine 21:25 < kic-> kernel/couple of specific modules, and couple of specific utility packages 21:25 < sepp_> but you dont get kde or gnome yet ... 21:25 < kic-> thats fine 21:26 < kic-> can't run it anyway on a 128mb flash disk, and no vga port 21:26 < kic-> :d 21:26 < sepp_> ;) 21:29 < kic-> wonder how much bandwidth the mirrors use 21:29 < kic-> i'm putting up a T2 mirror in new york 21:29 < kic-> on a 10mb ethernet 21:29 < sepp_> ask rxr 21:29 < kic-> he's probably in bed by now i think 21:30 < sepp_> ask him later ... 21:30 < kic-> yah, i will 21:52 -!- kic_ [n=kic^^@adsl-074-246-112-050.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #t2 21:52 < kic_> sepp 21:52 < kic_> you still here? 21:53 < kic_> or anyone that might know how to disable a couple of modules being built 21:54 < kic_> i had another build running, and it was almost done, got to created bzImage, etc 21:54 < kic_> but build errored out on module build error on a couple of modules that we don't need 21:56 -!- kic_ [n=kic^^@adsl-074-246-112-050.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:57 < kic-> heh 22:01 < mtr> disable kernel modules in the same way as the packages itself, add a rule like "O iwlwifi" (or whatever fails to build) to your custom package selection 22:03 < kic-> k, thanks 22:03 < sepp_> kic-: yes 22:04 < sepp_> :) 22:04 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:07 < sepp_> librtld.os: In function `_dl_lookup_symbol_x' undefined reference to `__sync_fetch_and_add_4' 22:08 < sepp_> where would that nicely named function come from? 22:08 < sepp_> at 1-glibc32 ... 22:09 < sepp_> ohh, ok 22:12 -!- PAVLINUX [n=pavel@ppp85-140-133-188.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 22:12 < mtr> sepp_: ? 22:13 < sepp_> needs at least -march=i486 ... 22:13 < mtr> the 4.2.0 stdc++ headers seem to need a proper "-march=" option 22:13 < mtr> :) 22:13 < sepp_> why are all removed and none appended on a multilib x86-64 build ? 22:16 < kic-> hrm 22:16 < kic-> heres a question 22:16 < kic-> our developers have created our application, as a loadable kernel module 22:17 < kic-> is there a way to put our kernel module in so that it compiles against the kernel source during Build-Target 22:17 < kic-> ? 22:17 < sepp_> yes 22:17 < kic-> or even Build-Pkg linux26 22:17 < kic-> ahh, whew 22:17 < kic-> was gonna say, thats a show stopper for us if we can't do it 22:17 < kic-> :D 22:17 < kic-> wouldn't happen to know how we can do that do ya? 22:17 < kic-> :D 22:17 < sepp_> 3rd party kernel mods are always build during linux* 22:18 -!- sparc-kly__ [n=mubex@adsl-64-237-248-104.prtc.net] has joined #t2 22:18 < sepp_> look at package/network/acx100/ 22:19 < sepp_> there are a few examples - ls package/*/*/pkg_linux26_post.conf 22:20 < kic-> ok 22:20 < sepp_> if you are lucky you just need to append a makeopt 22:20 < sepp_> so that the package knows where the kernel source is 22:20 < mtr> sepp_: the x86-64 march option is set in architecture/x86-64/config.in, should be non-NULL for non-Generic 22:22 < sepp_> :) 22:23 < sepp_> i was too lazy to select something, just wanted to see if 1-perl really fails with gdbm ... 22:24 < kic-> :D 22:24 < mtr> :) 22:24 < kic-> did it 22:24 < kic-> ? 22:25 < sepp_> never reached that 1-perl this way 22:25 < sepp_> lol 22:25 < kic-> ah 22:25 < kic-> :D 22:26 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 22:28 < sepp_> now i start from 0 ... 22:29 < sepp_> maybe it should not default to non working generic in the 1st place 22:32 < kic-> :P 22:35 -!- sparc-kly_ [n=mubex@adsl-64-237-248-104.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:17 -!- roman [n=roman@85-127-134-3.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #t2 23:29 -!- misl [n=chatzill@84-104-172-187.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]"] 23:48 < sepp_> == 06/20/07 23:45:01 =[1]=> Finished building package perl. 23:49 < sepp_> ^- with minimal-xorg on x86-64 (without changes) --- Log closed Thu Jun 21 00:00:17 2007