T2 IRC Log: 2007-06-25
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--- Log opened Mon Jun 25 00:00:28 2007
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08:49 < mtr> moin
08:50 < write_erase> hi
08:58 < rxr> moin
08:59 < rxr> hi mtr and write_erase
08:59 < CIA-9> rene * r24761 /trunk/package/ (26 files in 25 dirs):
08:59 < CIA-9> * marked leafnode, ypserv, mtr, gift-fasttrack, ifstat, rdesktop,
08:59 < CIA-9> viewvc, roundup, alsa-plugins, mpg123, mp3info, sweep, twolame,
08:59 < CIA-9> libxml++, libmikmod, tvtime, dvbstreamer, libwpd, imlib2, edb,
08:59 < CIA-9> xdialog, xvattr, imlib, pekwm, ocrad to cross build
08:59 < CIA-9> * prettified disabling xvattr's gxvattr
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09:06 < sepp> moin :)
09:38 < mtr> moin moin sepp
09:40 < sepp> hi mtr :)
10:07 < rxr> hi sepp
10:07 < rxr> hi mtr
10:08 < CIA-9> rene * r24762 /trunk/package/ (12 files in 10 dirs):
10:08 < CIA-9> * fixed libart to cross build
10:08 < CIA-9> * marked, plptools, libgnomecanvasmm, libgtkhtml, libgnomecanvas,
10:08 < CIA-9> diacanvas, libzvt, gail, easytag, and worker to cross build
10:16 < CIA-9> rene * r24763 /trunk/package/audio/bio2jack/ (bio2jack.conf bio2jack.desc): * fixed and marked bio2jack to cross build
10:16 < rxr> mtr: 1000 packages known to CROSS build, now
10:36 < mtr> yep, noticed the commit messages scrolling by
10:36 < mtr> including xfce4
10:38 < mtr> how did you solve the libtool is.la file issue?
10:39 < mtr> wasn't there a problem detecting the right library files?
10:39 < mtr> my workaround was to just rm -f *.la
10:43 < rxr> yes
10:43 < rxr> the libtool package does a parse-config rm -rf of the .la files :_)
10:43 < rxr> works pretty well
10:44 < rxr> when we hack orbit2 to cross build (wants to run helper tools like an idl compilier) we could probably cross build half of gnome instantly
11:33 < CIA-9> rene * r24764 /trunk/package/perl/imager/imager.desc: * updated imager (0.58 -> 0.59)
11:40 < CIA-9> rene * r24765 /trunk/package/base/pciutils/ (link.patch pciutils.desc): * updated pciutils (2.2.5 -> 2.2.6)
11:43 < CIA-9> rene * r24766 /trunk/package/network/bluez-libs/bluez-libs.desc: * updated bluez-libs (3.11 -> 3.12)
11:46 < CIA-9> rene * r24767 /trunk/package/network/bluez-hcidump/bluez-hcidump.desc: * updated bluez-hcidump (1.36 -> 1.37)
11:50 < CIA-9> rene * r24768 /trunk/package/gnome2/bluez-gnome/bluez-gnome.desc: * updated bluez-gnome (0.8 -> 0.9)
12:23 < CIA-9> rene * r24769 /trunk/package/network/bluez-utils/bluez-utils.desc: * updated bluez-utils (3.11 -> 3.12)
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12:49 [@ChanServ ] [ Dallur] [ kic^ ] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz ]
12:49 [ cbrake_away] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ]
12:49 [ CIA-9 ] [ Fatal ] [ pdinoto_] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
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15:28 < Cyda> I am trying to create a t2 system that will be less than 20MB in size, what would be the best way to tackle this with t2?
15:49 < mtr> hi Cyda
15:50 < mtr> checkout the T2 SDE from 7.0-rc svn branch
15:51 < mtr> during svn co you may take a look at the handbook http://www.t2-project.org/handbook/html/
15:51 < mtr> create a configuration for your build using ./scripts/Config
15:51 < Cyda> thanks mtr, i read through the docs, but my issue is in the config files there are alot of packages i dont want built into my system
15:51 < mtr> select "Generic System" as target
15:52 < Cyda> i was wondering what kind of issues i would run into remove some of those dependencies
15:52 < mtr> with minimal package selection
15:52 < Cyda> plus am running into trouble building busybox on x86_64
15:53 < Cyda> so you dont think it would be a good idea to muck around with the package config files?
15:54 < Cyda> i created a minimal system and that ran around 200+MB just for the iso
15:54 < mtr> ooh, that was minimal + X11, wasn't it?
15:55 < Cyda> nah, minimal with no x
16:01 < mtr> that sounds a bit large, my Minimal+X+Desktop reference build is about 140MB
16:04 < mtr> the Generic Minimal package selection should be a good starting point, you could then disable some packages you do not need,
16:05 < Cyda> yeah I'll start there. ty
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16:08 < tri> moin
16:09 < mtr> hi tri
16:09 < tri> does somebody here know rpath ?
16:12 < mtr> linker option?
16:14 < tri> ;-) rpath linux
16:14 < mtr> linker option rpath sets a shared library search path
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18:01 [ CIA-9 ] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz]
18:01 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
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18:43 < rxr> heh: These questions will help us evaluate the technical integration of your device with Flash Player.
18:43 < rxr> Do you need source code for Flash Player?
18:46 < rxr> ^- on a Adobe embedded request site :-)
18:54 -!- keztoo [n=root@adsl-074-238-088-202.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #t2
18:54 < keztoo> ping rxr
18:58 < keztoo> ping sepp
19:00 < Stelz> i want u ping me t00
19:00 < Stelz> :D
19:00 < rxr> keztoo: hi
19:01 < keztoo> is the pax currently supported?
19:01 < keztoo> and do u know which versions opf the mips are currently supported
19:02 < rxr> yes, various ARM and MIPS shoudl just work
19:02 < keztoo> hin Stelz: ping :-)
19:02 < rxr> we even have people from the MIPS people of NEC on our T2 list
19:02 < Stelz> hey ho
19:02 < keztoo> no specifics?
19:02 < keztoo> all pax and all mips
19:03 < rxr> keztoo: well - we used various already, and there are so really many different cores
19:03 < rxr> depends which core is in the chip, though specifically optimized binaries are suppost to always run
19:03 < rxr> it is mostly only a matter if there are the Linux kernel drivers already available, or if you / we have to write them
19:04 < keztoo> so any pax/mips cpu
19:04 < keztoo> just an issue of whether any strange additional hardware
19:05 < keztoo> which arch to use for pax?
19:07 < rxr> can you point me to a web link of the core you target ?
19:08 < keztoo> i wish i could , my boss wants me to find out which pax and mips versions are supported by t2
19:09 < keztoo> the easier question for me would be does t2 support this particular processor so i guess i'll look into the different cores
19:09 < rxr> you want / need MIPS or any ARM, SuperH, ... ?
19:09 < keztoo> and see if anything odd about any of them sticks out then i''l be able to ask you a more concise question
19:09 < rxr> T2 can generate the usual binaries that run on those
19:10 < rxr> the only thing is to grab the linux kernel driver patches for your chip and place them along in your target directory
19:10 < rxr> for nearly any core you select you will probably need more or less kernel patches for the drivers ..
19:10 < keztoo> so basically, if a vendor supplies kernel patches for the drivers then we're good to go
19:11 < rxr> vendor supplied or community hacked, yes
19:11 < keztoo> so the list is probably quite large
19:12 < rxr> ok - /me heading home - cu then
19:12 < keztoo> ok, by rxr and thank u
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23:00 < sepp> moin :)
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08:49 < mtr> moin
08:50 < write_erase> hi
08:58 < rxr> moin
08:59 < rxr> hi mtr and write_erase
08:59 < CIA-9> rene * r24761 /trunk/package/ (26 files in 25 dirs):
08:59 < CIA-9> * marked leafnode, ypserv, mtr, gift-fasttrack, ifstat, rdesktop,
08:59 < CIA-9> viewvc, roundup, alsa-plugins, mpg123, mp3info, sweep, twolame,
08:59 < CIA-9> libxml++, libmikmod, tvtime, dvbstreamer, libwpd, imlib2, edb,
08:59 < CIA-9> xdialog, xvattr, imlib, pekwm, ocrad to cross build
08:59 < CIA-9> * prettified disabling xvattr's gxvattr
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09:06 < sepp> moin :)
09:38 < mtr> moin moin sepp
09:40 < sepp> hi mtr :)
10:07 < rxr> hi sepp
10:07 < rxr> hi mtr
10:08 < CIA-9> rene * r24762 /trunk/package/ (12 files in 10 dirs):
10:08 < CIA-9> * fixed libart to cross build
10:08 < CIA-9> * marked, plptools, libgnomecanvasmm, libgtkhtml, libgnomecanvas,
10:08 < CIA-9> diacanvas, libzvt, gail, easytag, and worker to cross build
10:16 < CIA-9> rene * r24763 /trunk/package/audio/bio2jack/ (bio2jack.conf bio2jack.desc): * fixed and marked bio2jack to cross build
10:16 < rxr> mtr: 1000 packages known to CROSS build, now
10:36 < mtr> yep, noticed the commit messages scrolling by
10:36 < mtr> including xfce4
10:38 < mtr> how did you solve the libtool is.la file issue?
10:39 < mtr> wasn't there a problem detecting the right library files?
10:39 < mtr> my workaround was to just rm -f *.la
10:43 < rxr> yes
10:43 < rxr> the libtool package does a parse-config rm -rf of the .la files :_)
10:43 < rxr> works pretty well
10:44 < rxr> when we hack orbit2 to cross build (wants to run helper tools like an idl compilier) we could probably cross build half of gnome instantly
11:33 < CIA-9> rene * r24764 /trunk/package/perl/imager/imager.desc: * updated imager (0.58 -> 0.59)
11:40 < CIA-9> rene * r24765 /trunk/package/base/pciutils/ (link.patch pciutils.desc): * updated pciutils (2.2.5 -> 2.2.6)
11:43 < CIA-9> rene * r24766 /trunk/package/network/bluez-libs/bluez-libs.desc: * updated bluez-libs (3.11 -> 3.12)
11:46 < CIA-9> rene * r24767 /trunk/package/network/bluez-hcidump/bluez-hcidump.desc: * updated bluez-hcidump (1.36 -> 1.37)
11:50 < CIA-9> rene * r24768 /trunk/package/gnome2/bluez-gnome/bluez-gnome.desc: * updated bluez-gnome (0.8 -> 0.9)
12:23 < CIA-9> rene * r24769 /trunk/package/network/bluez-utils/bluez-utils.desc: * updated bluez-utils (3.11 -> 3.12)
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12:49 [@ChanServ ] [ Dallur] [ kic^ ] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz ]
12:49 [ cbrake_away] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ]
12:49 [ CIA-9 ] [ Fatal ] [ pdinoto_] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
12:49 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
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15:28 < Cyda> I am trying to create a t2 system that will be less than 20MB in size, what would be the best way to tackle this with t2?
15:49 < mtr> hi Cyda
15:50 < mtr> checkout the T2 SDE from 7.0-rc svn branch
15:51 < mtr> during svn co you may take a look at the handbook http://www.t2-project.org/handbook/html/
15:51 < mtr> create a configuration for your build using ./scripts/Config
15:51 < Cyda> thanks mtr, i read through the docs, but my issue is in the config files there are alot of packages i dont want built into my system
15:51 < mtr> select "Generic System" as target
15:52 < Cyda> i was wondering what kind of issues i would run into remove some of those dependencies
15:52 < mtr> with minimal package selection
15:52 < Cyda> plus am running into trouble building busybox on x86_64
15:53 < Cyda> so you dont think it would be a good idea to muck around with the package config files?
15:54 < Cyda> i created a minimal system and that ran around 200+MB just for the iso
15:54 < mtr> ooh, that was minimal + X11, wasn't it?
15:55 < Cyda> nah, minimal with no x
16:01 < mtr> that sounds a bit large, my Minimal+X+Desktop reference build is about 140MB
16:04 < mtr> the Generic Minimal package selection should be a good starting point, you could then disable some packages you do not need,
16:05 < Cyda> yeah I'll start there. ty
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16:08 < tri> moin
16:09 < mtr> hi tri
16:09 < tri> does somebody here know rpath ?
16:12 < mtr> linker option?
16:14 < tri> ;-) rpath linux
16:14 < mtr> linker option rpath sets a shared library search path
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18:01 [@ChanServ] [ Cyda ] [ Fatal] [ pdinoto_] [ sepp ] [ TobiX ]
18:01 [ cbrake ] [ Dallur] [ kic^ ] [ Ragnarin] [ sepp_] [ valentin]
18:01 [ CIA-9 ] [ emte ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ Stelz]
18:01 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
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18:43 < rxr> heh: These questions will help us evaluate the technical integration of your device with Flash Player.
18:43 < rxr> Do you need source code for Flash Player?
18:46 < rxr> ^- on a Adobe embedded request site :-)
18:54 -!- keztoo [n=root@adsl-074-238-088-202.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #t2
18:54 < keztoo> ping rxr
18:58 < keztoo> ping sepp
19:00 < Stelz> i want u ping me t00
19:00 < Stelz> :D
19:00 < rxr> keztoo: hi
19:01 < keztoo> is the pax currently supported?
19:01 < keztoo> and do u know which versions opf the mips are currently supported
19:02 < rxr> yes, various ARM and MIPS shoudl just work
19:02 < keztoo> hin Stelz: ping :-)
19:02 < rxr> we even have people from the MIPS people of NEC on our T2 list
19:02 < Stelz> hey ho
19:02 < keztoo> no specifics?
19:02 < keztoo> all pax and all mips
19:03 < rxr> keztoo: well - we used various already, and there are so really many different cores
19:03 < rxr> depends which core is in the chip, though specifically optimized binaries are suppost to always run
19:03 < rxr> it is mostly only a matter if there are the Linux kernel drivers already available, or if you / we have to write them
19:04 < keztoo> so any pax/mips cpu
19:04 < keztoo> just an issue of whether any strange additional hardware
19:05 < keztoo> which arch to use for pax?
19:07 < rxr> can you point me to a web link of the core you target ?
19:08 < keztoo> i wish i could , my boss wants me to find out which pax and mips versions are supported by t2
19:09 < keztoo> the easier question for me would be does t2 support this particular processor so i guess i'll look into the different cores
19:09 < rxr> you want / need MIPS or any ARM, SuperH, ... ?
19:09 < keztoo> and see if anything odd about any of them sticks out then i''l be able to ask you a more concise question
19:09 < rxr> T2 can generate the usual binaries that run on those
19:10 < rxr> the only thing is to grab the linux kernel driver patches for your chip and place them along in your target directory
19:10 < rxr> for nearly any core you select you will probably need more or less kernel patches for the drivers ..
19:10 < keztoo> so basically, if a vendor supplies kernel patches for the drivers then we're good to go
19:11 < rxr> vendor supplied or community hacked, yes
19:11 < keztoo> so the list is probably quite large
19:12 < rxr> ok - /me heading home - cu then
19:12 < keztoo> ok, by rxr and thank u
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23:00 < sepp> moin :)
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