T2 IRC Log: 2007-07-04

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--- Log opened Wed Jul 04 00:00:20 2007
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08:57 < rxr> re
08:57 < rxr> moin
08:57 [Users #t2]
08:57 [@ChanServ ] [ emte_] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ TobiX ]
08:57 [ cbrake_away] [ Fatal] [ mtr ] [ sepp_] [ valentin ]
08:57 [ CIA-9 ] [ kic- ] [ Ragnarin] [ Stelz] [ write_erase]
08:57 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
08:58 < sepp_> moin rxr :)
09:04 < CIA-9> susan * r24863 /trunk/package/network/dbus-glib/dbus-glib.desc: * updated dbus-glib (0.73 -> 0.74)
09:04 < CIA-9> susan * r24864 /trunk/package/archiver/dpkg/dpkg.desc: * updated dpkg (1.14.4 -> 1.14.5)
09:04 < CIA-9> susan * r24865 /trunk/package/kde/ktorrent/ktorrent.desc: * updated ktorrent (2.1.4 -> 2.2)
09:05 < CIA-9> susan * r24866 /trunk/package/network/dclib/dclib.desc: * updated dclib (0.3.9 -> 0.3.10)
09:05 < CIA-9> susan * r24867 /trunk/package/shells/dash/dash.desc: * updated dash (0.5.3-7 -> 0.5.3-9)
09:06 < rxr> Zeitung: iPhone in Deutschland bei T-Mobile
09:06 < rxr> ^- ieeek
09:06 < rxr> hopefully people find a way to hack the SIM-lock away ...
09:08 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/92152
09:10 < Ragnarin> lol
09:11 < rxr> GNU ed 0.7-rc1 (Development)
09:11 < rxr> Changes: An infinite loop that occurred when searching backwards has been fixed.
09:11 < rxr> hi Ragnarin
09:12 < Ragnarin> hey rene
09:12 < sepp_> finally a phone where you can not get a new battery when it does not recharge any more
09:12 < sepp_> :p
09:13 < rxr> Apple: iPhone Root Password Hacked in Three Days
09:13 < rxr> http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/07/03/1622212.shtml
09:36 < CIA-9> rene * r24868 /trunk/package/mail/claws-mail/claws-mail.desc: * updated claws-mail (2.9.2 -> 2.10.0)
09:51 < CIA-9> susan * r24869 /trunk/package/gnome2/epiphany/epiphany.desc: * updated epiphany (2.18.2 -> 2.18.3)
09:57 < CIA-9> susan * r24870 /trunk/package/gnome2/gconf-editor/gconf-editor.desc: * updated gconf-editor (2.17.0 -> 2.18.0)
09:57 < CIA-9> susan * r24871 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-backgrounds/gnome-backgrounds.desc: * updated gnome-backgrounds (2.16.2 -> 2.18.3)
10:02 < CIA-9> susan * r24872 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-keyring-manager/gnome-keyring-manager.desc: * updated gnome-keyring-manager (2.17.0 -> 2.18.0)
10:02 < CIA-9> susan * r24873 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-nettool/gnome-nettool.desc: * updated gnome-nettool (2.17.4 -> 2.18.0)
10:06 < CIA-9> susan * r24874 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkhtml/gtkhtml.desc: * updated gtkhtml (3.14.2 -> 3.14.3)
10:09 < CIA-9> susan * r24875 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomeprint/libgnomeprint.desc: * updated libgnomeprint (2.17.92 -> 2.18.0)
10:30 < CIA-9> susan * r24876 /trunk/package/gnome2/devhelp/devhelp.desc: * updated devhelp (0.13 -> 0.14)
10:46 < CIA-9> susan * r24877 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkdoc/gtkdoc.desc: * updated gtkdoc (1.6 -> 1.8)
10:56 -!- tri [n=Richter@pd95b2df8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2
10:56 < tri> hi
10:56 < tri> still have problemes building libbonobomm
10:56 < tri> i think we run into the same problem like the debian people here:
10:56 < tri> Replace -lcpp by -l cpp to fix FTBFS. Closes: #400057
10:57 < tri> this will fix it (ah here is the link for the debian bug: http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400057)
10:57 < tri> don't have a idea if the libbonobomm people will fix this also ?
10:57 < rxr> lovely libtool stuff I guess ?
10:58 < tri> yes
10:58 < tri> replace -lcpp by -l cpp and it should compile
10:58 < rxr> tri: submit a t2 patch and notify the upstream people if you like
10:59 < tri> ok right : hm libbonobomm is already a cvs checkout
10:59 < tri> i will have a look at the package - maybe it is already fixed in there cvs
11:04 < tri> hm i'm not that family with gnome cvs stuff but libbonobomm lives in http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnomemm/deprecated/ ?
11:06 < rxr> no idea, I'm a gnome avoider so I do not really know their CVS
11:07 < rxr> maybe they have even multiple locations, like from migrations
11:07 < rxr> or the mm stuff is hosted elsewhere
11:10 < tri> yes looks like this
11:10 < tri> any idea why t2 use a cvs checkout and not the 1.3.8 release ?=
11:11 < rxr> nope, svn log might tell you
11:12 < rxr> you are at libonobomm ?
11:12 < rxr> that even is in attic ?
11:12 < tri> yes that is in attic
11:12 < tri> attic <- stands for ?
11:12 < rxr> maybe it is part of another package, now
11:13 < tri> hm 01:31 < CIA-9> * updated libbonobomm (1.3.8 -> 2005-05-25)
11:13 < tri> look message from 2005-05-29
11:13 < rxr> in t2 the attic repository is with aging, bitrotting stuff that might be deprecated or soon removed and the like
11:13 < tri> log message
11:13 < rxr> or stuff that is otherwise quite ugly
11:14 < tri> hm 00:55 < CIA-9> * merged 10087,10088 from trunk: moved libbonobomm and libbonobouimm to attic/
11:14 < tri> from 2005-07-10
11:14 < rxr> the package is even disabled by default
11:14 < rxr> I have the feeling it is part of another mm package, now
11:15 < rxr> hm - on ok on the reference builder I have no bonobo files in mm packages .-(
11:16 < tri> hm last release from libbonobomm-1.3.8.tar.gz was 18-Nov-2003 - there is no 1.3.9 or something like this
11:16 < tri> maybe it isn't maintained anymore
11:20 < tri> i will send i patch ;-)
11:20 < rxr> :-)
11:21 < rxr> you need the package for something ?
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11:22 < shev_> how many packages are on the http://www.t2-project.org/packages/ ?
11:24 < rxr> shev_: hopefully all we have in trunk
11:24 < rxr> the package/ content gets auto-generated from the t2/trunk .desc fils twice a day
11:25 < rxr> shev_: currently t2/trunk has about 2900 of such .desc
11:25 < rxr> whois shev_
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11:25 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
11:26 < tri> rxr: no i don't remember why i tried to build libbonobomm... but it was a bit late yesterday night (or early this morning)...
11:27 -!- shev_ is now known as shevy
11:27 < shevy> i see, thanks
11:35 < tri> hm i need svn diff help...
11:36 < tri> i have changed the two Makefiles in the libbonobomm src.libbonobomm.... dir
11:36 < tri> how to make a diff file which can easly be applied ?
11:37 < tri> ah i have changed them be cp Makefile.am to Makefile.am_org and changed the Makefile.am file ?
11:37 < tri> if i will do a diff -uN i then have two paches is this the right way ?
11:39 < rxr> yes just diff
11:39 < rxr> "svn diff" only works for files managed by SVN
11:39 < tri> ah yes my err i mean diff not svn diff ;-)
11:39 < tri> i then will have two diff's for every file one ?
11:40 < tri> ah no i have a solution if i will have only one diff for two files i just copy the folder and then do a diff one the folder...
11:40 < tri> which is the prefered option ?
11:40 < tri> /no/now
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11:49 < madalyon> slm kana015fl
11:49 < madalyon> hello
11:49 < madalyon> byn
11:49 < rxr> hi madalyon
11:49 < madalyon> hi
11:49 < madalyon> rxr
11:49 < madalyon> you speak turkh0131sh
11:49 < rxr> no, english and germany
11:50 < madalyon> no engl0131sh
11:50 < madalyon> no germany
11:50 < madalyon> yes turkh0131sh
11:50 < madalyon> rxr
11:50 < madalyon> howe are you
11:50 < madalyon> ?
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11:51 < rxr> ?
11:55 < tri> hm rxr you should learn turkish
11:55 < tri> ;-)
12:08 < rxr> yeah
12:30 < sepp_> that should be easy in berlin :)
12:31 < rxr> *lol*
12:53 < sepp_> java: xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed.
12:53 < sepp_> Aborted (core dumped)
12:53 < sepp_> great
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17:14 < kic-> re
17:24 < sepp_> hello kic-
17:25 < kic-> hiya
17:25 < kic-> trying to figure out how to load a squash image into a ramdisk
17:25 < kic-> :D
17:25 < kic-> have any pointers?
17:27 < sepp_> no :/
17:27 < kic-> heh
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17:41 < rxr> sepp_: you wanted a higher resolution background, there you have: tp://www.heise.de/bilder/92181/0/1
17:45 < sepp_> :)
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17:46 < kic-> stupid grub and flash
17:46 < kic-> :D
17:47 < rxr> kic-: ?
17:48 < rxr> IDE flash ?
17:50 < kic-> yeah
17:50 < rxr> grub should work quite fine on IDE "disks" ...
17:50 < kic-> when i try to boot to it, it just comes up with 'GRUB'
17:50 < kic-> and doesn't proceed
17:50 < rxr> how did you install it ?
17:50 < rxr> you need to haev the stage1 in the MBR and a stage 2 around ...
17:51 < kic-> mounted flash disk under /mnt/flash and copied over the rootfs, kernel, initrd, grub directory under boot, etc. and touch /mnt/flash/flash
17:51 < kic-> for a blank flash file
17:51 < CIA-9> rene * r24878 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-s3/xf86-video-s3.desc: * updated xf86-video-s3 (0.4.1 -> 0.5.0)
17:51 < kic-> then rebooted, loaded grub on hard disk, and instead of booting into hard drive..
17:51 < kic-> went to grub command line
17:52 < kic-> did cat (hd-tab a few times, and found the disk that had the empty /flash file
17:52 < kic-> so i knew that hd1,0 was my flash disk
17:52 < rxr> aha ... :-)
17:52 < kic-> did root (hd1,0)
17:52 < kic-> then did setup (hd1)
17:52 < kic-> :D
17:52 < rxr> and then you removed the ide disk ?
17:53 < kic-> they're SATA hard drives.. but no, left them in there
17:53 < kic-> changed bios boot order
17:53 < kic-> to boot from flash
17:53 < kic-> it starts to boot from flash, and just displays GRUB
17:53 < rxr> I think grub hardcodes the bios device number and thus when you setup (hd1) and you boot from the then hd0 it will not find it files
17:54 < kic-> oh
17:54 < kic-> well, isn't that fancy
17:54 < kic-> :D
17:54 < rxr> you can setup the flash from a running linux with a custom device.map
17:54 < rxr> fill a file named device.map with:
17:54 < rxr> (hd0) /dev/hde
17:55 < rxr> (replace hde with whatever the flash is on the running system)
17:55 < kic-> my running linux sees the flash as /dev/hdb
17:55 < kic-> k
17:55 < rxr> and the run grub --device-map=./device.map
17:55 < kic-> that device.map goes in running linux /boot/grub or in flash's /boot/grub
17:55 < rxr> and then type in the pseudo in-unix grub prompt
17:55 < rxr> root (hd0)
17:55 < rxr> setup (hd0)
17:55 < rxr> err
17:55 < rxr> root (hd0,1)
17:55 < rxr> setup (hd0)
17:56 < rxr> the device.map does not need to be on the flash
17:56 < kic-> k
17:56 < rxr> it is just used while running the unix installer to tell the installer the unix <-> BIOS device mapping
17:56 < rxr> and yes, x86 boot stuff sucks MAJORLY
17:56 < rxr> on every other platform this is saner
17:56 < rxr> (even on ARM embedded boards, usually at least)
17:57 < kic-> heh
17:57 < kic-> ok
17:57 < kic-> made device.map with (hd0) /dev/hdb
17:58 < kic-> did: grub --device-map=./device.map
17:58 < kic-> then did root (hd0,1)
17:58 < kic-> error 22
17:58 < kic-> :D
17:58 < kic-> no such partition
17:58 < kic-> hah
17:58 < kic-> nice
17:58 < rxr> which partition is it on
17:58 < rxr> ah - ok probably (hd0,0)
17:58 < kic-> ahh
17:58 < kic-> filesystem type ext2
17:58 < kic-> there it is
17:59 < rxr> valentin: new major intel driver
17:59 < rxr> test-built, /me restaring X soon
17:59 < rxr> I hope I get my 3D desktop back ... :-)
18:00 < kic-> :D
18:01 < kic-> woot
18:01 < kic-> success!
18:01 < kic-> k
18:01 < kic-> 2 issues down
18:02 < kic-> 1 more to go, and i'm home free i think
18:02 < kic-> maybe even home free now
18:02 < rxr> hm ?
18:03 < kic-> last issue may or may not be, about booting the squashfs into a ramdisk, not sure yet
18:03 < kic-> gonna try something, brb
18:04 < rxr> kic-: you do not need the squashfs in a ramdisk
18:04 < rxr> read-only mounting from flash is enough
18:05 < kic-> if i mount the flash rootfs as ro
18:05 < kic-> i won't be able to write data to log files though
18:05 < kic-> data doesn't need to be saved across reboots
18:05 < kic-> but needs to be written for operations
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18:12 < rxr> kic-: the image you got there uses the T2 livecd setup
18:12 < rxr> over the ro images a unionfs / aufs tmpfs is stacked so the written filse are in the tmpfs
18:13 < rxr> valentin: hm - this external TMDS / VGA flickering problem of the intel driver on the MacBook is apparently not yet fixed
18:18 < CIA-9> rene * r24879 /trunk/package/xorg/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
18:18 < CIA-9> * updated compositeproto (0.3.1 -> 0.4)
18:18 < CIA-9> * updated libxcomposite (0.3.2 -> 0.4.0)
18:19 < CIA-9> rene * r24880 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-i810/xf86-video-i810.desc: * updated xf86-video-i810 (2.0.0 -> 2.1.0)
18:24 < CIA-9> rene * r24881 /trunk/package/x11/cairo/cairo.desc: * updated cairo (1.4.8 -> 1.4.10)
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18:41 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
18:41 < CIA-9> rene * r24882 /trunk/package/textproc/libnxml/libnxml.desc: * updated libnxml (0.17.3 -> 0.18.0), fixed to build before libmrss
18:41 < CIA-9> rene * r24883 /trunk/package/textproc/libmrss/libmrss.desc: * updated libmrss (0.17.4 -> 0.18.0)
18:41 < CIA-9> rene * r24884 /trunk/package/develop/boehm-gc/ (boehm-gc.desc no_doc.patch): * updated boehm-gc (6.8 -> 7.0)
18:42 < CIA-9> rene * r24885 /trunk/package/xorg/xsetpointer/xsetpointer.desc: * updated xsetpointer (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
18:51 < CIA-9> rene * r24886 /trunk/package/xorg/libxfont/libxfont.desc: * updated libxfont (1.2.9 -> 1.3.0)
19:02 < CIA-9> rene * r24887 /trunk/package/xorg/xbacklight/ (. xbacklight.cache xbacklight.desc): * added xbacklight (1.1) - A command-line utility to set the backlight level via RandR 1.2
19:07 < CIA-9> rene * r24888 /trunk/package/x11/grandr/ (. grandr.cache grandr.desc): * added grandr (0.1) - A GTK+-based tool to configure the X output using RandR 1.2
19:12 < rxr> valentin: this new xbacklight flickers extraordinary on the MacBook - I would not recomment it (yet)
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19:16 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
19:16 < mtr> I am trying to build exact-image without libtiff and x11, but the confopt --without-libtiff or --with-libtiff=no are removed by eval_config_command
19:17 < rxr> --without-libtiff probably
19:17 < rxr> hi mtr
19:17 < mtr> hi rxr :)
19:17 < rxr> yes works
19:17 < rxr> checking for package libtiff ... disabled
19:17 < rxr> checking for package x11 (atleast 11.0) ... disabled
19:17 < mtr> hmm
19:17 < rxr> sorry the config is a bit rough
19:18 < rxr> it started due to immediate need without getting into the autoconf hell and did not improve too much since then as the normal case just works
19:18 < rxr> mtr: you want exact-image for something embedded ?
19:19 < mtr> just wanted to downscale some jpeg's, and was too lazy to copy them around :)
19:19 < rxr> ah - you talk about the eval config commant
19:19 < mtr> yep
19:20 < rxr> command even
19:20 < rxr> hm - is exact-image picking stuff up from the build host and you are cross building?
19:20 < rxr> or what use case is yours?
19:21 < rxr> you could hardwire the eval config command to not filter it in the exact-iamge.conf :-(
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19:22 < misl> hi folks
19:22 < mtr> hi misl
19:24 < misl> hi mtr
19:25 < LMJ> hello mtr & misl
19:25 < misl> hi LMJ
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19:40 < CIA-9> rene * r24889 /trunk/package/graphic/exact-image/ (cross-configure.patch exact-image.conf exact-image.desc): * guided exact-imgae to cross-compile with perl and swig in the host system, sigh.
19:41 < rxr> mtr: now that should build, hopefully
20:11 < kic-> brb, have to reboot
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20:47 < mtr> rxr: exact-image cross-builds build now, but I had to set cleanconfopt=0 and patch conf/functions not to exit on parser errors
20:47 < mtr> works fine, thanks :)
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21:40 < tri> moin
21:42 < sepp> moin
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21:45 < kic-> re
21:45 < sepp> wb
21:46 < kic-> i have a booted flash disk on a 64bit x86 machine running a 46m distro
21:46 < kic-> naa naa naa boo boo
21:46 < kic-> ok
21:46 < kic-> that was immature
21:46 < kic-> but its fun
21:47 < kic-> friggin grub --device-map=
21:47 < kic-> saved my arse
21:47 < kic-> :D
21:48 < sepp> :)
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