T2 IRC Log: 2007-08-02
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--- Log opened Thu Aug 02 00:00:54 2007
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08:49 < DeeKey> Good morning!
08:49 < yokoy> moinmoin
09:24 < sepp> moin :)
09:24 < DeeKey> morning
09:25 < sepp> hi DeeKey
09:35 < yokoy> I had a look for a more powerfull server but I think the real powerfull servers a far to expensive
09:36 < yokoy> did anybody try this one:
09:36 < yokoy> http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?node=201590011
09:36 < yokoy> ?
09:37 < DeeKey> nope
09:37 < sepp> to do what?
09:37 < yokoy> with this computer cloud you could build a generic target within an hour
09:38 < yokoy> you rent the computerpower, nominel 1,7ghz, for 0,10 $cent/h
09:39 < yokoy> Each instance predictably provides the equivalent of a system with a 1.7Ghz x86 processor, 1.75GB of RAM, 160GB of local disk, and 250Mb/s of network bandwidth.
09:40 < sepp> do they have some monkeys in a wheel or how do they pay the power bill?
09:40 < yokoy> you could rent a lot of instances parallel, it up to you how much
09:40 < yokoy> :-)
09:41 < yokoy> it is cheaper than buying a fast computer and pay for the electricity
09:42 < sepp> makes me wonder
09:51 < yokoy> roundabout...
09:52 < yokoy> heyho, my minimal build has finished
09:52 < yokoy> only one error
09:52 < yokoy> cdrkit do not compile, just look at the log...
09:54 < yokoy> CMake Error: Error: found a Linux system but no libcap header. Install libcap-dev.
09:57 < sepp> missing dep in the target?
10:01 < rxr> re
10:01 < sepp> moin rxr
10:08 < rxr> Launch Flash: UltraSPARC T2 Processor Launch
10:08 < rxr> UltraSPARC T2 Processor Launch - August 7, 2007
10:08 < rxr> URL: http://www.sun.com/launch (LIVE ON Aug. 7,2007)
10:11 < sepp> hehe
10:11 < rxr> not so funn
10:11 < rxr> y
10:11 < rxr> I should have registered T2 as trademark earlier ...
10:16 < yokoy> rxr: it is a processor, not a system or whatever
10:16 < yokoy> rxr: do it now!
10:19 < yokoy> I tryed to compile libcap, do not work:
10:20 < DeeKey> nice lecture: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4285568518538296189&q=user%3A%22Google+engEDU%22&total=512&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5
10:20 < yokoy> Found shared files with other package
10:20 < yokoy> anyway, after that cdrkit compiles just fine
10:20 < yokoy> what to do?
10:21 < yokoy> oh, before I added libcap I do not rerun the build script
10:21 < yokoy> maybe the success is independent from libcap
10:23 < yokoy> DeeKey: before I klick on that link, what is it?
10:23 < sepp> XO video
10:23 < yokoy> DeeKey: a video, ok, but about what?
10:23 < DeeKey> sorry I had to comment it.
10:24 < DeeKey> Sorry, I was just curious about XO, and wanted to get more info, why, what, who :)
10:24 < DeeKey> I am also keen in e-leearning...
10:25 < DeeKey> actually XO is about e-learning.
10:25 < DeeKey> Soon there will be a revolution in education...
10:30 < yokoy> http://www.olpcaustria.org/mediawiki/index.php/T2-target_Honey
10:33 < yokoy> it is a wiki about guess what
10:34 < yokoy> rxr: do you know something about the cdrkit/libcap problem ?
10:38 < DeeKey> you know what actually T2 lacks? It lacks e-learning courses, so that new users/developers can understand the way T2 works...
10:40 < yokoy> I agree
10:42 < DeeKey> it is good that there is documentation, but it is a bit outdated at some places, and does not give you the entire picture...
10:44 < DeeKey> I think new users first want some examples, if they will find them acceptable for their needs, then they would wont a step by step explanation how to do things.
10:45 < DeeKey> I tried to use OE for my project, but failed to to lack of step by step explanation how to do things.
10:45 < DeeKey> In t2 I found what I need. Easy to start project...
10:50 < rxr> DeeKey: I try to work this suggestions into the handbook
10:50 < DeeKey> no, handbook is not the right place!
10:50 < rxr> more "quick starts" stuff as we have already for building, installing and package creation ?
10:51 < DeeKey> I was talking about e-learning courses..
10:52 < DeeKey> one of the main difference between book and e-learning course is stat e-learning is interactive and the book could be boring..
10:55 < DeeKey> So rxr: if you are interested in the subject, I think I could help you with that
10:55 < rxr> well - probably, everything that makes t2 simpler to learn and more attractive is good
10:55 < rxr> but not the next days
10:55 < rxr> I have a lot of work on my desk
10:56 < DeeKey> i will ttry to make something myslef. But actually with same constrains as you have :)
11:04 < yokoy> DeeKey: do you know showmedo.com?
11:07 < DeeKey> yokoy: now yes, i know :)
11:08 < DeeKey> what so special about it?
11:10 < yokoy> dooh!
11:10 < DeeKey> ;)
11:10 < yokoy> I did not manage it to build a trunk minimal system that recognizes my harddisk
11:11 < yokoy> DeeKey: nothing special, only nice. I do not know, if you know this site
11:12 < DeeKey> it is really interesting. Thank you for the link... If you have more please send..
11:12 < yokoy> I have since month problems to build a trunk system that could be installed
11:13 < yokoy> allways the "No hard-disc found!" error in stone
11:14 < yokoy> with 6.0.1 everything is fine
11:14 < rxr> yokoy: I think this is udev related
11:14 < yokoy> yes, I agree
11:15 < rxr> I fixed something in this area like a week ago
11:15 < rxr> did you test in the last couple of days?
11:16 < rxr> if there is still something wrong it's probably "just" a matter of runnign the right udevtrigger something binary and/or re-starting udevd properly when the 2nd stage was loaded
11:16 < rxr> but I can test
11:16 < yokoy> last svn up from 01 august
11:16 < rxr> I want a 7.0-rc2 with all those fixes this week anyway
11:17 < yokoy> maybe this is the error:
11:18 < yokoy> ide=: I/O resourde =x3F6-=x3F6 not free.
11:18 < yokoy> hda: ERROR, PORTS ALREADY IN USE
11:20 < yokoy> so the problem is before udev starts ?
11:22 < rxr> maybe that is old driver (pata) vs. new (libata) driver?
11:22 < yokoy> another "problem", only a suggestion:
11:23 < yokoy> put in the minimal pkgsel irssi and a simple browser like links
11:23 < yokoy> it would be easier to communicate and search on errors
11:24 < yokoy> what do you think about that?
11:25 < rxr> it's ok for me to have irssi in the minimal selection
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11:26 < d-marc> hello!
11:26 < rxr> hello d-marc !
11:26 < DeeKey> mi
11:26 < yokoy> hi d-marc
11:26 < DeeKey> hi d-marc
11:26 < yokoy> what about a browser? to fat?
11:27 < rxr> yokoy: well - minimal should be very minimal
11:27 < rxr> or we introduce a new selection: bootstrap that comes with just stuff that is needed to build t2,
11:27 < rxr> nothing else
11:27 < d-marc> rxr: how are you? Sorry I couldnt be here more often, I as pretty busy. But I have holiday now for 2 weeks
11:27 < rxr> d-marc: oh nice
11:27 < rxr> d-marc: guess you also moved to your new workplace ?
11:28 < d-marc> rxr: not yet, I can get into my new appartment end of this month
11:28 < yokoy> rxr: yes, you are right, it should be minimal. on the other hand, minimal communication should be posible.
11:29 < yokoy> rxr: irssi would be a big improvement
11:30 < yokoy> rxr: a minimal brower is a gate to the t2-documentation and so on
11:32 < d-marc> rxr: let talk later for a bit, I need to go to town for a while...
11:33 < yokoy> rxr: I allways put on a system irssi, links, vim and screen
11:34 < yokoy> rxr: vim and screen are not as important as irssi and links but VERY nice to have
11:35 < yokoy> rxr: is the current minimal system more than a bootstrap? a, well, it is, cdrecord...
11:40 < sepp> cdrkit is quite useful if you build an iso, without some cdr software it is a bit pointless
11:40 < sepp> :)
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11:42 < yokoy> sepp: yes, it is usefull, but not necessary. that's the point.
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12:22 < yokoy> rxr: I thought about your suggestion to make a target bootstrap. That would be sensible IMHO
12:23 < yokoy> rxr: a minimal target without X but with the most needed tools would be nice
12:24 < rxr> do you want to alter the package selection templates ?
12:24 < rxr> target/generic/pkgsel/
12:24 < yokoy> rxr: for me in addition to the existing minimal...
12:24 < yokoy> yes, i could do it
12:25 < yokoy> wich number should get the bootstrap pkgsel?
12:25 < yokoy> zero minus one :-?
12:26 < rxr> 00-bootstrap should be fine
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12:26 < rxr> the number is mostly for sorting, as the list is build from the directory listing
12:27 < yokoy> ok
12:27 < rxr> the Config selection
12:27 < rxr> 00-b would still be before 00-minimal
12:53 < yokoy> rxr: I would say bootstrap is for building t2 for example on a not local server
12:54 < yokoy> minimal is for local installation inclusive minimal working apps for daily use
13:03 < yokoy> rxr: the udev problem...
13:04 < yokoy> as I remember comes grml with the option to wait till /dev is fully populated and you could add a few seconds to it
13:05 < yokoy> I think t2 is booting to fast and do not have the important files in /dev
13:05 < yokoy> like /dev/zero for example
13:05 < yokoy> sorry /dev/null is missing
13:08 < yokoy> grml waits by default until /dev is populated a few seconds, but you can increase the time for usb1.1 devices and so on
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14:44 < yokoy> hmm, vielleicht doch kein udev problem
14:45 < yokoy> hey, bin ich denn der einzige, der mit trunk probleme hat?
14:45 < rxr> yokoy: not so many people do install builds
14:46 < rxr> I know trunk udev/hal/d-bus is not set up perfectly
14:46 < rxr> and I want to fix this till sunday
14:46 < rxr> I saw the installer image glitch that the udev will not create devices for newly added devices or partitions
14:46 < rxr> I'll review that on-the-way as well
14:47 < yokoy> rxr: i tried also the live cd 7.0rc
14:47 < yokoy> same problem, no hd
14:47 < yokoy> on desktop and laptop...
14:54 < rxr> heh - I have 31 configurations in my config/ directory ... - yukc
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15:29 < DeeKey> HI! Who is at home ? :)
15:33 < rxr> me
15:33 < DeeKey> :)
15:34 < DeeKey> I wanted to ask you about comedi package creation.
15:35 < DeeKey> I managed to make RTAI compile. It is in pkg_linux26_post.conf file
15:35 < DeeKey> But just after rtai I need to compile comedi, and then again rtai.
15:37 < DeeKey> I tried to make pkg_rtai_post.conf in comedi_driver folder, but with no result on the build...
15:38 < DeeKey> maybe comedi compilation is not triggered id rtai is compiled in pkg_linux26_post.conf file
15:38 < DeeKey> ?
15:49 < rxr> the pkg_rtai_post.conf would be used if the rtai package is built singularly
15:50 < rxr> what you need is a pkg_linux26_post.conf for comedia to build inside linux26 as well
15:50 < rxr> and you need to sort the hook priorities in a way so that they are built in this particular order
15:51 < rxr> you could then, when you want to rebuild rtai schedule 2 different functions in the rtai pkg_linux26_post.conf to build it differently, with comedi support the 2nd time
15:51 < DeeKey> but what about the sequece?
15:51 < DeeKey> 1) RTAI
15:51 < DeeKey> 2) Comedi
15:51 < DeeKey> 3) RTAI with comedi ?
15:52 < rxr> yes, controlled by the hook priority
15:52 < DeeKey> for instance 3, 4, 5 ?
15:52 < rxr> yep
15:52 < DeeKey> ok will try now.
15:53 < DeeKey> for now it should be ok...
16:34 < yokoy> rxr: it is a acpi problem
16:38 < rxr> yokoy: aha
16:38 < rxr> yokoy: any solution ?
17:02 < cyda> moin
17:10 < rxr> moin cyda
17:19 < yokoy> rxr:I will give you feedback a bit later...just installing trunk minimal
17:19 < yokoy> rxr: what do you recommend, rockplug or hwscan?
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17:25 < rxr> neither is used anyway
17:25 < rxr> this needs to be removed
17:25 < rxr> udev + a little help of hotplug++ is the default
17:25 < rxr> that stone part is mostly a relict and no-operation
17:25 < rxr> I quickly remove the stone parts a little later
17:25 < yokoy> thx
17:34 < LMJ> moin moin
17:34 < DeeKey> is it possible to make a target for desctop? I mean, to install everything to the running distro?
17:34 < DeeKey> hi LMJ
17:34 < LMJ> hello DeeKey
17:42 < sepp> everything?
17:52 < rxr> hi see and LMJ
17:52 < LMJ> hello rxr
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18:04 < LMJ> back
18:13 < yokoy> rxr: hu, more problems
18:14 < yokoy> /etc/rc.d/rc2.d/s11sysklogd: line 43: /usr/sbin/syslogd: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
18:15 < yokoy> well, syslogd is in /usr/bin/syslogd
18:15 < rxr> I think this is a regression it really should be in sbin
18:15 < yokoy> line 47: /usr/sbin/klogd: Datei....
18:15 < yokoy> same here, klogd is in bin
18:15 < yokoy> yes, i think so
18:16 < yokoy> hm, nobody got it, yet?
18:17 < yokoy> in grub I added pci=noacpi
18:17 < yokoy> *sometimes* it helps
18:18 < yokoy> sometimes not and /dev/hda[1,2] is not present
18:18 < yokoy> drops me to a mini shell
18:18 < CIA-9> denisk * r25335 /branches/rtai/package/scientific/comedi-driver/ (comedi-driver.conf pkg_linux26_post.conf): * added RTAI alike code to compile after rtai package
18:20 < CIA-9> denisk * r25336 /branches/rtai/package/contrib/rtai/pkg_linux26_post.conf: * added hook priorities for comedi-rtai compilation sequence
18:20 < DeeKey> need to go! Have a nice evening!
18:20 < rxr> DeeKey: you too - cu
18:20 < rxr> have fun
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18:42 < LMJ> I have a couple of failed emerge, gonna paste them to see
18:44 < LMJ> http://www.pastebin.ca/643223
18:45 < LMJ> jahshaka, vlc and then ardour
19:07 < sepp> ardour needs lo
19:07 < sepp> liblo
19:33 < yokoy> rxr: bootstrap with wireless stuff? I would say no.
19:38 < LMJ> ok sepp
19:44 < yokoy> do we need libjpeg and libpng in bootstrap ?
19:44 < yokoy> libtiff and libungif?
20:21 < sepp> minimal is some a minimal system you can install that has everything one needs to build t2, even to burn things onto a cd or edit files or download things
20:23 < sepp> of course you could remove an editor, network stuff etc, but that would make it a bit defective
20:27 < sepp> and the fat part is gcc anyway
21:18 < yokoy> sepp: i asked if it is possible to put irssi and links to the minimal target
21:19 < yokoy> rene said, minimal means minimal...
21:19 < yokoy> his suggestion was make a subminimal target "bootstrap" more minimal than the current minimal target
21:20 < sepp> ok
21:20 < yokoy> so, I copied the minimal pkgsel to 00-bootstrap
21:21 < yokoy> bootstrap getting a bit smaller
21:21 < yokoy> minimal a bit bigger
21:21 < sepp> i c
21:22 < yokoy> what do you think, the libjpeg -png -tiff and ungif
21:22 < yokoy> are they necessary?
21:22 < sepp> dont know what for
21:22 < yokoy> I have no idea for what they are good for
21:23 < yokoy> in bootstrap...
21:24 < yokoy> I think the wireless stuff isn't the right place for bootstrap, but I am not shure
21:26 < sepp> if you have a wire you might not need it
21:34 < yokoy> :)
21:54 < pdinoto> hi!
21:55 < pdinoto> anybody still out there?
22:00 < sepp> hi pdinoto
22:01 < pdinoto> hi sepp,
22:01 < pdinoto> do you know know I can reproduce a ./configure inside the src. dir?
22:02 < pdinoto> I know ./debug.sh gets me inside the environment
22:02 < sepp> 'reproduce' ?
22:02 < pdinoto> but not sure how to pass $confopts into ./configure
22:03 < pdinoto> well, perform ./configure under the same environment as the build stage
22:03 < pdinoto> when the package failed.
22:04 < sepp> eval_config_command ?
22:06 < sepp> 'eval_config_command $( eval echo $confopt )' from functions.in line 890
22:06 < sepp> :)
22:08 < pdinoto> ah, ..., thanks! will try that.
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08:49 < DeeKey> Good morning!
08:49 < yokoy> moinmoin
09:24 < sepp> moin :)
09:24 < DeeKey> morning
09:25 < sepp> hi DeeKey
09:35 < yokoy> I had a look for a more powerfull server but I think the real powerfull servers a far to expensive
09:36 < yokoy> did anybody try this one:
09:36 < yokoy> http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?node=201590011
09:36 < yokoy> ?
09:37 < DeeKey> nope
09:37 < sepp> to do what?
09:37 < yokoy> with this computer cloud you could build a generic target within an hour
09:38 < yokoy> you rent the computerpower, nominel 1,7ghz, for 0,10 $cent/h
09:39 < yokoy> Each instance predictably provides the equivalent of a system with a 1.7Ghz x86 processor, 1.75GB of RAM, 160GB of local disk, and 250Mb/s of network bandwidth.
09:40 < sepp> do they have some monkeys in a wheel or how do they pay the power bill?
09:40 < yokoy> you could rent a lot of instances parallel, it up to you how much
09:40 < yokoy> :-)
09:41 < yokoy> it is cheaper than buying a fast computer and pay for the electricity
09:42 < sepp> makes me wonder
09:51 < yokoy> roundabout...
09:52 < yokoy> heyho, my minimal build has finished
09:52 < yokoy> only one error
09:52 < yokoy> cdrkit do not compile, just look at the log...
09:54 < yokoy> CMake Error: Error: found a Linux system but no libcap header. Install libcap-dev.
09:57 < sepp> missing dep in the target?
10:01 < rxr> re
10:01 < sepp> moin rxr
10:08 < rxr> Launch Flash: UltraSPARC T2 Processor Launch
10:08 < rxr> UltraSPARC T2 Processor Launch - August 7, 2007
10:08 < rxr> URL: http://www.sun.com/launch (LIVE ON Aug. 7,2007)
10:11 < sepp> hehe
10:11 < rxr> not so funn
10:11 < rxr> y
10:11 < rxr> I should have registered T2 as trademark earlier ...
10:16 < yokoy> rxr: it is a processor, not a system or whatever
10:16 < yokoy> rxr: do it now!
10:19 < yokoy> I tryed to compile libcap, do not work:
10:20 < DeeKey> nice lecture: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4285568518538296189&q=user%3A%22Google+engEDU%22&total=512&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5
10:20 < yokoy> Found shared files with other package
10:20 < yokoy> anyway, after that cdrkit compiles just fine
10:20 < yokoy> what to do?
10:21 < yokoy> oh, before I added libcap I do not rerun the build script
10:21 < yokoy> maybe the success is independent from libcap
10:23 < yokoy> DeeKey: before I klick on that link, what is it?
10:23 < sepp> XO video
10:23 < yokoy> DeeKey: a video, ok, but about what?
10:23 < DeeKey> sorry I had to comment it.
10:24 < DeeKey> Sorry, I was just curious about XO, and wanted to get more info, why, what, who :)
10:24 < DeeKey> I am also keen in e-leearning...
10:25 < DeeKey> actually XO is about e-learning.
10:25 < DeeKey> Soon there will be a revolution in education...
10:30 < yokoy> http://www.olpcaustria.org/mediawiki/index.php/T2-target_Honey
10:33 < yokoy> it is a wiki about guess what
10:34 < yokoy> rxr: do you know something about the cdrkit/libcap problem ?
10:38 < DeeKey> you know what actually T2 lacks? It lacks e-learning courses, so that new users/developers can understand the way T2 works...
10:40 < yokoy> I agree
10:42 < DeeKey> it is good that there is documentation, but it is a bit outdated at some places, and does not give you the entire picture...
10:44 < DeeKey> I think new users first want some examples, if they will find them acceptable for their needs, then they would wont a step by step explanation how to do things.
10:45 < DeeKey> I tried to use OE for my project, but failed to to lack of step by step explanation how to do things.
10:45 < DeeKey> In t2 I found what I need. Easy to start project...
10:50 < rxr> DeeKey: I try to work this suggestions into the handbook
10:50 < DeeKey> no, handbook is not the right place!
10:50 < rxr> more "quick starts" stuff as we have already for building, installing and package creation ?
10:51 < DeeKey> I was talking about e-learning courses..
10:52 < DeeKey> one of the main difference between book and e-learning course is stat e-learning is interactive and the book could be boring..
10:55 < DeeKey> So rxr: if you are interested in the subject, I think I could help you with that
10:55 < rxr> well - probably, everything that makes t2 simpler to learn and more attractive is good
10:55 < rxr> but not the next days
10:55 < rxr> I have a lot of work on my desk
10:56 < DeeKey> i will ttry to make something myslef. But actually with same constrains as you have :)
11:04 < yokoy> DeeKey: do you know showmedo.com?
11:07 < DeeKey> yokoy: now yes, i know :)
11:08 < DeeKey> what so special about it?
11:10 < yokoy> dooh!
11:10 < DeeKey> ;)
11:10 < yokoy> I did not manage it to build a trunk minimal system that recognizes my harddisk
11:11 < yokoy> DeeKey: nothing special, only nice. I do not know, if you know this site
11:12 < DeeKey> it is really interesting. Thank you for the link... If you have more please send..
11:12 < yokoy> I have since month problems to build a trunk system that could be installed
11:13 < yokoy> allways the "No hard-disc found!" error in stone
11:14 < yokoy> with 6.0.1 everything is fine
11:14 < rxr> yokoy: I think this is udev related
11:14 < yokoy> yes, I agree
11:15 < rxr> I fixed something in this area like a week ago
11:15 < rxr> did you test in the last couple of days?
11:16 < rxr> if there is still something wrong it's probably "just" a matter of runnign the right udevtrigger something binary and/or re-starting udevd properly when the 2nd stage was loaded
11:16 < rxr> but I can test
11:16 < yokoy> last svn up from 01 august
11:16 < rxr> I want a 7.0-rc2 with all those fixes this week anyway
11:17 < yokoy> maybe this is the error:
11:18 < yokoy> ide=: I/O resourde =x3F6-=x3F6 not free.
11:18 < yokoy> hda: ERROR, PORTS ALREADY IN USE
11:20 < yokoy> so the problem is before udev starts ?
11:22 < rxr> maybe that is old driver (pata) vs. new (libata) driver?
11:22 < yokoy> another "problem", only a suggestion:
11:23 < yokoy> put in the minimal pkgsel irssi and a simple browser like links
11:23 < yokoy> it would be easier to communicate and search on errors
11:24 < yokoy> what do you think about that?
11:25 < rxr> it's ok for me to have irssi in the minimal selection
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11:26 < d-marc> hello!
11:26 < rxr> hello d-marc !
11:26 < DeeKey> mi
11:26 < yokoy> hi d-marc
11:26 < DeeKey> hi d-marc
11:26 < yokoy> what about a browser? to fat?
11:27 < rxr> yokoy: well - minimal should be very minimal
11:27 < rxr> or we introduce a new selection: bootstrap that comes with just stuff that is needed to build t2,
11:27 < rxr> nothing else
11:27 < d-marc> rxr: how are you? Sorry I couldnt be here more often, I as pretty busy. But I have holiday now for 2 weeks
11:27 < rxr> d-marc: oh nice
11:27 < rxr> d-marc: guess you also moved to your new workplace ?
11:28 < d-marc> rxr: not yet, I can get into my new appartment end of this month
11:28 < yokoy> rxr: yes, you are right, it should be minimal. on the other hand, minimal communication should be posible.
11:29 < yokoy> rxr: irssi would be a big improvement
11:30 < yokoy> rxr: a minimal brower is a gate to the t2-documentation and so on
11:32 < d-marc> rxr: let talk later for a bit, I need to go to town for a while...
11:33 < yokoy> rxr: I allways put on a system irssi, links, vim and screen
11:34 < yokoy> rxr: vim and screen are not as important as irssi and links but VERY nice to have
11:35 < yokoy> rxr: is the current minimal system more than a bootstrap? a, well, it is, cdrecord...
11:40 < sepp> cdrkit is quite useful if you build an iso, without some cdr software it is a bit pointless
11:40 < sepp> :)
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11:42 < yokoy> sepp: yes, it is usefull, but not necessary. that's the point.
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12:22 < yokoy> rxr: I thought about your suggestion to make a target bootstrap. That would be sensible IMHO
12:23 < yokoy> rxr: a minimal target without X but with the most needed tools would be nice
12:24 < rxr> do you want to alter the package selection templates ?
12:24 < rxr> target/generic/pkgsel/
12:24 < yokoy> rxr: for me in addition to the existing minimal...
12:24 < yokoy> yes, i could do it
12:25 < yokoy> wich number should get the bootstrap pkgsel?
12:25 < yokoy> zero minus one :-?
12:26 < rxr> 00-bootstrap should be fine
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12:26 < rxr> the number is mostly for sorting, as the list is build from the directory listing
12:27 < yokoy> ok
12:27 < rxr> the Config selection
12:27 < rxr> 00-b would still be before 00-minimal
12:53 < yokoy> rxr: I would say bootstrap is for building t2 for example on a not local server
12:54 < yokoy> minimal is for local installation inclusive minimal working apps for daily use
13:03 < yokoy> rxr: the udev problem...
13:04 < yokoy> as I remember comes grml with the option to wait till /dev is fully populated and you could add a few seconds to it
13:05 < yokoy> I think t2 is booting to fast and do not have the important files in /dev
13:05 < yokoy> like /dev/zero for example
13:05 < yokoy> sorry /dev/null is missing
13:08 < yokoy> grml waits by default until /dev is populated a few seconds, but you can increase the time for usb1.1 devices and so on
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14:44 < yokoy> hmm, vielleicht doch kein udev problem
14:45 < yokoy> hey, bin ich denn der einzige, der mit trunk probleme hat?
14:45 < rxr> yokoy: not so many people do install builds
14:46 < rxr> I know trunk udev/hal/d-bus is not set up perfectly
14:46 < rxr> and I want to fix this till sunday
14:46 < rxr> I saw the installer image glitch that the udev will not create devices for newly added devices or partitions
14:46 < rxr> I'll review that on-the-way as well
14:47 < yokoy> rxr: i tried also the live cd 7.0rc
14:47 < yokoy> same problem, no hd
14:47 < yokoy> on desktop and laptop...
14:54 < rxr> heh - I have 31 configurations in my config/ directory ... - yukc
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15:29 < DeeKey> HI! Who is at home ? :)
15:33 < rxr> me
15:33 < DeeKey> :)
15:34 < DeeKey> I wanted to ask you about comedi package creation.
15:35 < DeeKey> I managed to make RTAI compile. It is in pkg_linux26_post.conf file
15:35 < DeeKey> But just after rtai I need to compile comedi, and then again rtai.
15:37 < DeeKey> I tried to make pkg_rtai_post.conf in comedi_driver folder, but with no result on the build...
15:38 < DeeKey> maybe comedi compilation is not triggered id rtai is compiled in pkg_linux26_post.conf file
15:38 < DeeKey> ?
15:49 < rxr> the pkg_rtai_post.conf would be used if the rtai package is built singularly
15:50 < rxr> what you need is a pkg_linux26_post.conf for comedia to build inside linux26 as well
15:50 < rxr> and you need to sort the hook priorities in a way so that they are built in this particular order
15:51 < rxr> you could then, when you want to rebuild rtai schedule 2 different functions in the rtai pkg_linux26_post.conf to build it differently, with comedi support the 2nd time
15:51 < DeeKey> but what about the sequece?
15:51 < DeeKey> 1) RTAI
15:51 < DeeKey> 2) Comedi
15:51 < DeeKey> 3) RTAI with comedi ?
15:52 < rxr> yes, controlled by the hook priority
15:52 < DeeKey> for instance 3, 4, 5 ?
15:52 < rxr> yep
15:52 < DeeKey> ok will try now.
15:53 < DeeKey> for now it should be ok...
16:34 < yokoy> rxr: it is a acpi problem
16:38 < rxr> yokoy: aha
16:38 < rxr> yokoy: any solution ?
17:02 < cyda> moin
17:10 < rxr> moin cyda
17:19 < yokoy> rxr:I will give you feedback a bit later...just installing trunk minimal
17:19 < yokoy> rxr: what do you recommend, rockplug or hwscan?
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17:25 < rxr> neither is used anyway
17:25 < rxr> this needs to be removed
17:25 < rxr> udev + a little help of hotplug++ is the default
17:25 < rxr> that stone part is mostly a relict and no-operation
17:25 < rxr> I quickly remove the stone parts a little later
17:25 < yokoy> thx
17:34 < LMJ> moin moin
17:34 < DeeKey> is it possible to make a target for desctop? I mean, to install everything to the running distro?
17:34 < DeeKey> hi LMJ
17:34 < LMJ> hello DeeKey
17:42 < sepp> everything?
17:52 < rxr> hi see and LMJ
17:52 < LMJ> hello rxr
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18:04 < LMJ> back
18:13 < yokoy> rxr: hu, more problems
18:14 < yokoy> /etc/rc.d/rc2.d/s11sysklogd: line 43: /usr/sbin/syslogd: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
18:15 < yokoy> well, syslogd is in /usr/bin/syslogd
18:15 < rxr> I think this is a regression it really should be in sbin
18:15 < yokoy> line 47: /usr/sbin/klogd: Datei....
18:15 < yokoy> same here, klogd is in bin
18:15 < yokoy> yes, i think so
18:16 < yokoy> hm, nobody got it, yet?
18:17 < yokoy> in grub I added pci=noacpi
18:17 < yokoy> *sometimes* it helps
18:18 < yokoy> sometimes not and /dev/hda[1,2] is not present
18:18 < yokoy> drops me to a mini shell
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18:20 < DeeKey> need to go! Have a nice evening!
18:20 < rxr> DeeKey: you too - cu
18:20 < rxr> have fun
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18:42 < LMJ> I have a couple of failed emerge, gonna paste them to see
18:44 < LMJ> http://www.pastebin.ca/643223
18:45 < LMJ> jahshaka, vlc and then ardour
19:07 < sepp> ardour needs lo
19:07 < sepp> liblo
19:33 < yokoy> rxr: bootstrap with wireless stuff? I would say no.
19:38 < LMJ> ok sepp
19:44 < yokoy> do we need libjpeg and libpng in bootstrap ?
19:44 < yokoy> libtiff and libungif?
20:21 < sepp> minimal is some a minimal system you can install that has everything one needs to build t2, even to burn things onto a cd or edit files or download things
20:23 < sepp> of course you could remove an editor, network stuff etc, but that would make it a bit defective
20:27 < sepp> and the fat part is gcc anyway
21:18 < yokoy> sepp: i asked if it is possible to put irssi and links to the minimal target
21:19 < yokoy> rene said, minimal means minimal...
21:19 < yokoy> his suggestion was make a subminimal target "bootstrap" more minimal than the current minimal target
21:20 < sepp> ok
21:20 < yokoy> so, I copied the minimal pkgsel to 00-bootstrap
21:21 < yokoy> bootstrap getting a bit smaller
21:21 < yokoy> minimal a bit bigger
21:21 < sepp> i c
21:22 < yokoy> what do you think, the libjpeg -png -tiff and ungif
21:22 < yokoy> are they necessary?
21:22 < sepp> dont know what for
21:22 < yokoy> I have no idea for what they are good for
21:23 < yokoy> in bootstrap...
21:24 < yokoy> I think the wireless stuff isn't the right place for bootstrap, but I am not shure
21:26 < sepp> if you have a wire you might not need it
21:34 < yokoy> :)
21:54 < pdinoto> hi!
21:55 < pdinoto> anybody still out there?
22:00 < sepp> hi pdinoto
22:01 < pdinoto> hi sepp,
22:01 < pdinoto> do you know know I can reproduce a ./configure inside the src. dir?
22:02 < pdinoto> I know ./debug.sh gets me inside the environment
22:02 < sepp> 'reproduce' ?
22:02 < pdinoto> but not sure how to pass $confopts into ./configure
22:03 < pdinoto> well, perform ./configure under the same environment as the build stage
22:03 < pdinoto> when the package failed.
22:04 < sepp> eval_config_command ?
22:06 < sepp> 'eval_config_command $( eval echo $confopt )' from functions.in line 890
22:06 < sepp> :)
22:08 < pdinoto> ah, ..., thanks! will try that.
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