--- Log opened Sat Aug 04 00:00:56 2007
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01:09 < kic-> re
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01:38 < yky> hi,
01:39 < sepp> hi kic- , yky :)
01:39 < yky> this is a irssi test with a fresh build t2 irssi and without glib 
01:39 < sepp> i guess it works
01:39 < yky> but glib12 which is much smaller
01:39 < yky> yepp, think so :-)
01:40 < yky> is it possible to send patches over irc :-?
01:40 < sepp> yes, but mailinglist works even better
01:40 < sepp> :)
01:41 < yky> shure, but to use mailinglist you need a browser with javascript (webmailer) or a mta 
01:42 < yky> this is t2 minimal
01:42 < sepp> maybe you can find one somewhere :)
01:43 < yky> .-/
01:43 < yky> yes, shure
01:43 < sepp> i forgot how it works
01:44 < sepp> what kind of patch?
01:44 < yky> 00-minimal.in
01:44 < yky> 00-bootstrap.in
01:45 < yky> and the .conf from irssi
01:45 < sepp> ahh, that one
01:45 < sepp> :)
01:56 < yky> still present as yokoy...
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13:59 < tri> moin
13:59 < tri> http://youtube.com/watch?v=zji4ctJcmgg
14:04 < sepp> lol
14:05 < sepp> hi tri 
14:19 < tri> hi sepp
14:19 < tri> anybody here uses opensuse ?
14:20 < sepp> guess not
14:22 < tri> sepp do you use t2 as your desktop distribution ?
14:23 < sepp> yup
14:27 < sepp> what else? :p
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16:05 < rxr> re
16:06 < sepp> hi rxr 
16:17 < Stelz> rehi rxr, sepp ;)
16:21 < sepp> hi Stelz :)
16:28 < rxr> hi sepp hi Stelz 
16:53 < rxr> re
16:53 < yokoy> hello all
16:54 < yokoy> would it be better to make the 00-bootstrap.in first?
16:55 < rxr> define "first"
16:55 < yokoy> and include it into 00-minimal.in?
16:56 < yokoy> earlier
16:56 < rxr> yes, that would probably good to save some duplicate work
16:57 < yokoy> the minimal has only a few packages additive
16:57 < rxr> btw. better do not rename the exiting files, some targets, including people's internal ones include the existing files as base already
16:58 < yokoy> how do I make a diff from a pkgsel (00-bootstrap-in) that does not exist, yet?
16:59 < rxr> diff -u /dev/null new-file
16:59 < rxr> or svn add new-file
16:59 < rxr> svn diff new-file
16:59 < rxr> but the svn add has the drawback that as long as you do not have commit access you get a conflict when you svn up
17:00 < rxr> because svn up will complain that the object (file) to be added already exists locally ...
17:01 < yokoy> hmmm... is it cleverly to edit the files right in the svn tree? Or shouldn't I do that?
17:02 < rxr> always work in a way that allows you to publish / share resulting diff files
17:05 < yokoy> in plain language please? I want to get the target "honey" working. So I should do it in t2-trunk/target/honey ?
17:06 < rxr> ah yes, all your garget config goes into target/honey
17:07 < yokoy> ok, throw away the minimal patch from yesterday.
17:08 < yokoy> have a look at the irssi patch...works fine for me
17:09 < rxr> ok - did I know your real name already?
17:10 < rxr> we like to have the real names in commit messages to know who contributed it :-)
17:11 < yokoy> shure, doing a /who will bring my real name
17:11 < yokoy> in the next patch I will use my real name
17:15 < CIA-9> rene * r25353 /trunk/package/network/irssi/irssi.conf: 
17:15 < CIA-9> Joko Keuschnig <t2@yokoy.de>:
17:15 < CIA-9>  * improved irssi.conf to also build with glib12
17:28 < CIA-9> rene * r25354 /trunk/package/www/seamonkey/seamonkey.desc: * updated seamonkey (1.1.3 -> 1.1.4)
17:30 < CIA-9> rene * r25355 /trunk/package/base/sudo/sudo.desc: * updated sudo (1.6.9p2 -> 1.6.9p3)
17:30 < CIA-9> rene * r25356 /trunk/package/develop/libevent/libevent.desc: * updated libevent (1.3b -> 1.3c)
17:30 < CIA-9> rene * r25357 /trunk/package/network/collectd/collectd.desc: * updated collectd (4.0.5 -> 4.0.6)
17:30 < CIA-9> rene * r25358 /trunk/package/mail/thunderbird/thunderbird.desc: * updated thunderbird (2.0.0.5 -> 2.0.0.6)
17:31 < CIA-9> rene * r25359 /trunk/package/x11/rxvt-unicode/rxvt-unicode.desc: * updated rxvt-unicode (8.2 -> 8.3)
17:31 < CIA-9> rene * r25360 /trunk/package/x11/aterm/aterm.desc: * updated aterm (1.0.0 -> 1.0.1)
17:31 < CIA-9> rene * r25361 /trunk/package/graphic/ufraw/ufraw.desc: * updated ufraw (0.11 -> 0.12)
17:33 < yokoy> do we need perl in bootstrap? zile needs perl but nvi is enough for bootstrap.
17:33 < yokoy> perl costs 42MB
17:34 < rxr> some stuff needed perl autoconf /automake or even the linux kernel
17:34 < rxr> you can try if can bootstrap a t2 in a system without perl ...
17:34 < yokoy> bootstrap should fit on a 512 MB compact flash card...
17:35 < rxr> well
17:35 < rxr> bootstrap is not necessarily ment to be installed
17:35 < rxr> bootstra whould be exactly what is needed to compile a T2 from scratch
17:35 < rxr> from image you build for devices you can usually strip a whole lot away
17:35 < rxr> we built systems that compressed as tiny as 6MB even with glibc
17:35 < rxr> and with dietlibc even 2MB ROM systems are possible
17:36 < yokoy> yes, shure
17:36 < yokoy> now, the minimal is ment to compile a T2 from scratch
17:36 < rxr> yes, but minimal comes with a little more
17:37 < rxr> bootstrap shoudl probably not ship an extra editor
17:37 < rxr> maybe not even svn
17:37 < rxr> but that would needs to be discussed
17:37 < rxr> as svn is used to access t2 sources
17:37 < rxr> but it is not really needed for bootstrapping
17:37 < yokoy> hmhm, yes
17:38 < yokoy> I thought bootstrap more as a compile machine in a network
17:39 < yokoy> using distcc
17:39 < rxr> boostrap should be what is needed to "bootstrap" t2
17:39 < rxr> if you want a network, cluster build node, better create a seperate "distcc-node" selection :-)
17:40 < yokoy> ok, later
17:44 < yokoy> should bootstrap be able to compile AND make a ISO / burn CD?
17:48 < rxr> that is the question
17:48 < rxr> maybe just compile, to keep it really minimalistic
17:48 < rxr> also otherwise discussion about whether to include cdrtools or cdrkit, or a frontend etc. come up again :-)
17:52 < yokoy> there are a lot of more questions.
17:52 < yokoy> do we need man, man-pages?
17:53 < yokoy> nice to have, shure
18:02 < rxr> probably not in the bootstrap
18:02 < rxr> (if all base packages compile without the "man" around)
18:04 < CIA-9> rene * r25362 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdm/gdm.desc: * updated gdm (2.18.3 -> 2.18.4)
18:04 < CIA-9> rene * r25363 /trunk/package/develop/gengetopt/gengetopt.desc: * updated gengetopt (2.20 -> 2.21)
18:04 < CIA-9> rene * r25364 /trunk/package/base/grep/grep.desc: * updated grep (2.5.1a -> 2.5.3)
18:17 < yokoy> do we need "ed" for t2-scripting?
18:26 < rxr> oeh - I hope not .-)
18:26 < CIA-9> rene * r25365 /trunk/package/network/nginx/nginx.desc: * updated nginx (0.5.29 -> 0.5.30)
18:32 < CIA-9> rene * r25366 /trunk/package/gnome2/gstreamer/gstreamer.desc: * updated gstreamer (0.10.13 -> 0.10.14)
18:32 < CIA-9> rene * r25367 /trunk/package/gnome2/gst-plugins-base/gst-plugins-base.desc: * updated gst-plugins-base (0.10.13 -> 0.10.14)
19:12 < mqueiros_> Hello! after having started to download the sources for my target can I re-run the config script to change the package selection ?
19:13 < rxr> yes, sure
19:13 < rxr> the Download -required is optional in T2 these days anyway
19:13 < rxr> Build-Target and Emerge-Pkg will fetch missing soruces on-the-fly anyway
19:13 < mqueiros_> ok, thanks! Just wanted to make shure...
19:27 < rxr> ok - cu all
19:27 < rxr> I change internal generation of the T2 homepage pages
19:28 < rxr> if you noticed regerssions, such as incorrectly delivered pages or corruptions let me know .-)
19:28 < rxr> cu
19:43 < yokoy> module-init-tools vs modutils
19:43 < yokoy> doing the same stuff, do we need both?
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20:31 < sepp> only if you plan to use 2.4
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