T2 IRC Log: 2007-08-09
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--- Log opened Thu Aug 09 00:00:16 2007
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09:55 < CIA-24> susan * r25428 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomeprint/libgnomeprint.desc: * updated libgnomeprint (2.18.0 -> 2.18.1)
09:56 < rxr> re
09:58 < rxr> .oO(http://lifehacker.com/software/diy/turn-a-flashlight-into-a-handheld-burning-laser-287252.php)
10:03 < CIA-24> susan * r25429 /trunk/package/mail/libetpan/libetpan.desc: * updated libetpan (0.51 -> 0.52)
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10:17 < rxr> heh
10:17 < rxr> OpenMoko Neo1973 arrived :-)
10:18 < sepp> :)
10:18 < sepp> moin
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10:27 [Users #t2]
10:27 [@ChanServ ] [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
10:27 [ cbrake_a1ay] [ Dallur ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto ] [ sepp ] [ wbx ]
10:27 [ CIA-24 ] [ Enqlave] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX] [ write_erase]
10:27 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
10:30 < CIA-24> susan * r25432 /trunk/package/graphic/libptp/ (gcc4.patch libptp.desc): * updated libptp (1.1.0 -> 1.1.9)
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11:37 < yokoy> re
11:48 < rxr> hi
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12:38 < yokoy> hey,
12:39 < yokoy> in the config you can check "Optimizes for xxx"
12:39 < yokoy> there are several AMDs
12:40 < rxr> yep
12:40 < yokoy> which is the X2?
12:40 < yokoy> MP?
12:40 < yokoy> multiprozessor?
12:40 < rxr> there are no fine grained options in GCC for the Athlon64's ...
12:41 < yokoy> so?
12:41 < yokoy> which comes nearest?
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12:50 < rxr> Athlon64
12:56 < yokoy> rxr: fine, but there is no choice "Athlon64"
12:57 < rxr> do you build for x86 or x86-64 ?
12:57 < yokoy> dumdidummm...sorry
12:59 < yokoy> is it a cross build, then? I build it on a x86.
13:00 < rxr> if you do not run a 64bit capable kernel it is a cross build, yes
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14:50 < write_erase_> rxr, OpenMoko still don't have Wifi Chipset :-(
15:13 < rxr> nope
15:13 < rxr> but the 2nd version is said to have one
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15:36 < rxr> valentin: the Neo1973 (the phone hardware of the software OpenMoko project) comes with a guitar plec, for opening the plastic case :-)
15:40 < cyda> moin folks
15:46 < rxr> Mem: 65552K used, 61132K free, 0K shrd, 24K buff, 33080K cached
15:46 < rxr> Load average: 0.01 0.27 0.25 (Status: S=sleeping R=running, W=waiting)
15:46 < rxr> PID USER STATUS RSS PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND
15:46 < rxr> 1231 root R 848 1228 1.4 0.6 top
15:46 < rxr> 1227 root S 1032 1073 1.2 0.8 dropbear
15:46 < rxr> 1210 root S 15264 1203 0.0 12.0 openmoko-dialer
15:46 < rxr> 1209 root S 7844 1203 0.0 6.1 openmoko-today
15:46 < rxr> 1222 root S 7800 1208 0.0 6.1 openmoko-taskma
15:46 < rxr> 1204 root S 7496 1203 0.0 5.9 matchbox-panel-
15:46 < rxr> 1180 root S < 6768 1161 0.0 5.3 Xfbdev
15:46 < rxr> 1208 root S 6088 1203 0.0 4.7 openmoko-footer
15:46 < rxr> 1148 root S 4368 1 0.0 3.4 pulseaudio
15:46 < rxr> root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
15:46 < rxr> Processor : ARM920T rev 0 (v4l)
15:46 < rxr> BogoMIPS : 132.71
15:46 < rxr> Features : swp half thumb
15:46 < rxr> CPU implementer : 0x41
15:46 < rxr> ...
15:46 < cyda> showoff :-p
15:47 < rxr> damn phone finally arrived just some hours ago
15:47 < cyda> you didnt sound too excited about getting it the last time i saw you
15:48 < rxr> i#m not
15:48 < rxr> nothing works
15:48 < rxr> not even calling someone
15:48 < rxr> but a good base for our t2 cellular phone stuff
15:49 < rxr> and they even use glibc on the phone, hello? glibc????
15:49 < rxr> whatis uclibc, ???
15:49 < rxr> no wonder it is slow and filled
15:49 < valentin> can't you just crosscompile some t2 embedded variant for it ?
15:49 < cyda> yeah glibc is certainly not a smart move on that architecture
15:50 < cyda> follows the redhat bloat_me model
15:50 < valentin> bbl
15:51 < rxr> valentin: sure will start soon
15:51 < rxr> and then we do the state-of-the-art UI stuff
15:51 < valentin> if you have a halfway system within one year, you will be ahead of openmoko
15:52 < rxr> I think I have a final system till new years eve ...
16:00 < mqueiros_> rxr: Been trying to find out what could be the problem with compiling Perl... and found this: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=616092
16:00 < mqueiros_> Can you take a look at it ?
16:02 < mqueiros_> I will probably change the symlink...
16:04 < rxr> ah - yes, sound plausible
16:05 < rxr> maybe we should patch perl in the long-run to build on those ubuntu systems anyway
16:06 < mqueiros_> ok, I will try it then...
16:06 < rxr> try to change the symlink or try to patch perl :-) ?
16:06 < mqueiros_> try to change the symlink... :)
16:12 < rxr> 1272 root R 1148 1213 18.4 0.9 madplay
16:18 < mqueiros_> ok, perl builds on ubuntu. :)
16:19 < rxr> I'm still shoked OpenMoko uses glibc ...
16:20 < rxr> and then they include the busybox top, and not the real thing, not even displaying accumulated, total cpu load ...
16:20 < rxr> at least they use dropbear and not openssh ...
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16:47 < LMJ> moin moin
16:47 * LMJ is in holidays :-D
17:05 < rxr> lucky you LMJ
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17:08 < LMJ> ;)
17:08 < LMJ> you could to
17:09 < LMJ> o
17:09 < rxr> where are you going to? or enjoying the home and T2 or so :-?
17:10 < LMJ> will be around until saturday evening with T2, then, 1 week on the mediteraneen sea cost enjoying girls on the beach :-P
17:10 < rxr> :-)
17:20 < yokoy> apropos coast -> silicon -> optimization for special cpu :-)
17:21 < yokoy> on my new x2 i will mainly compile x86 code
17:22 < yokoy> so should I run 32bit software and kernel or 64bit?
17:22 < sepp_> 64
17:23 < yokoy> crosscompile do not slow down?
17:23 < rxr> cross compiling will not slow down, but even in T2 we can not yet cross compile everything
17:23 < rxr> "just" 33% of the packages
17:23 < rxr> you can normaqlly run 32bit kernel just fine
17:24 < rxr> but if you want a little more performance, 64bit applications run a little faster as the 64bit mode has more registers
17:24 < rxr> but if you just run 32bit binaries that does not matter
17:25 < sepp_> cant you normally build a x86 target on x86-64 without cross compiler?
17:25 < rxr> yes you can
17:26 < sepp_> that is what i thought
17:26 < rxr> if you run a 64bit kernel you can run both binary types transparently
17:26 < rxr> but if you just run 32bit binaries you have no adavantage from that
17:26 < rxr> only if you have more than 3.5GB RAM
17:26 < yokoy> ? why that ?
17:27 < rxr> because a 32bit kernel can not address more than 3.5 GB of RAM in a way that normal programs can run in
17:27 < LMJ> it's even a physical restriction
17:28 < rxr> but although a 64bit kernel can address all of it, a single 32bit binary of course still can only address the lower 4GB of your full system's ram
17:28 < rxr> 32bit pointers can only address 4GB
17:29 < yokoy> ok, I saw that compiling is not as RAM hungry as I thought
17:29 < yokoy> so I ordered only 1 gig
17:30 < yokoy> do you think this is a slow down factor?
17:32 < LMJ> maybe try to use a tmpfs as far as you can during compilation, don't know if it's possible
17:33 < yokoy> ah, ok
17:34 < rxr> building in tmpfs with just 1G of RAM? no way
17:34 < rxr> you can start thinking about that if you have over 2, maybe 4G
17:34 < rxr> some massive C or normal C++ files make gcc/g++ consume over 500M of RAM
17:35 < rxr> and linux and mozilla will never build in a less than 1G tmpfs
17:35 < LMJ> ;)
17:36 < LMJ> but it could speed the compilation progress ?
17:36 < rxr> yes, if you have way over 2G of RAM it will speed up compilation significantly .-)
17:36 < LMJ> how many TB do you need for OOo ? :-D
17:36 < rxr> if you build on normal HDs mounting your system noatime will also help significantly
17:39 < rxr> cu all
17:40 < LMJ> CU
17:40 < yokoy> cu
17:46 * pdinoto expects to see an openmoko target soon...
17:46 < pdinoto> :-)
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17:56 < yokoy> I build a "livecd" target. Is it possible to change the config to "install" an rerun the Build-Target script without mess up the build?
17:56 < yokoy> s/an/and
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17:59 < sepp_> i think so
18:02 < yokoy> BTW - I completely finished a minimal build in stage 9 using trunk. No errors. The first time in one year!
18:07 < yokoy> ups. the install version .iso has only 40MB vs livecd 145MB
18:15 < mqueiros_> yokoy: about changing the config and rerun build-target... Yes, you can do it... I'v been doing-it. At least it's possible to change the package selection.
18:26 < yokoy> mqueiros_: yes, I think it is a feature from t2. But now I have a install cd with 40MB, I am missing roundabout 100MB. Hmm
18:27 < mqueiros_> yokoy: strange...
18:32 < mqueiros_> I'm building 6.0.3 now... Had problems with kernel modules in trunk.
18:49 < yokoy> mqueiros_: yes, the modules. wifi?
18:49 < mqueiros_> yokoy: yes, but also nvidia-legacy... and slmodem...
19:17 < mqueiros_> anyone got T2 mailing list archives in mbos format ?
19:17 < mqueiros_> I would like to have them...
19:22 < mqueiros_> mbos, should be... mbox, of course...
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20:44 < pdinoto> anybody knows why my livecd image gets packages
20:44 < pdinoto> built in stage 1?
20:46 < mqueiros_> pdinoto: what packages are you talking about ?
20:47 < pdinoto> I have my own target, which only has busybox, linux26, lua
20:47 < pdinoto> compiled with uclibc.
20:47 < pdinoto> These are -more or less- the only ones built in stage 5.
20:48 < pdinoto> when I use Create-ISO, I get perl, bash, about 40mb.
20:48 < pdinoto> so I guess Create-ISO is taking stuff from stage 1...
20:49 < pdinoto> as far as I understood, stage 1 needs perl, awk, etc.
20:49 < pdinoto> to deal with the build of succesive stages.
20:49 < pdinoto> but it is not clear what gets included in a final ISO image...
20:50 < pdinoto> (it is not clear to me, that is :-)
20:50 < mqueiros_> well... it's not clear to me too...
20:51 * pdinoto feels better :-)
20:51 < pdinoto> I am now looking into Create-ISO, to see if I can get insight on it.
20:52 < mqueiros_> let me know if you get into some conclusion... :)
22:04 < renderfull> any AVR32/STK1000 users in here? Trying to upgrade uBoot, having issues
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22:25 < kic-> can someone send a ping to a box on my fiber line for me, and tell me what kind of ms you get?
22:26 < renderfull> sure
22:26 < renderfull> what's the ip?
22:30 < yokoy> avg 173ms
22:48 < kic-> ip is
22:48 < kic-> 208.115.42.117
22:49 < renderfull> avg 88ms
22:49 < kic-> hrm
22:49 < kic-> and where are you located?
23:20 < pdinoto> time=163 ms from Argentina
23:27 < Ragnar> re
23:34 < mqueiros_> kic: need another ping ?
23:36 < kic-> sure
23:37 < mqueiros_> time=168 ms
23:37 < kic-> what location
23:37 < mqueiros_> from Portugal.
23:37 < kic-> hrm
23:37 < kic-> not TO bad i guess
23:37 < kic-> this box is on a 10mb Fiber line, in Boca Raton, FL
23:37 < mqueiros_> yes... not bad...
23:38 < kic-> its the T2 box sitting in my office, i think i'm gonna try to use it for a Counter-Strike source server
23:38 < kic-> :D
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23:51 < keinek> hi
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23:56 < yokoy> aaaaaargh
23:56 < keinek_> aaaaaaaaaaaah!
23:56 < keinek_> :)
23:56 < yokoy> my harddisk fucked up
23:57 < keinek_> this things happens.
23:57 < keinek_> make any sound?
23:57 < keinek_> like: stuuu stuu stuuck
23:58 < yokoy> something like that...
23:58 < keinek_> yes... the harddisk fucked up...
23:58 < keinek_> seagate? maxtor? samsung? western digital?
23:59 < yokoy> i guess it is a maxtor
23:59 < keinek_> western is better.
23:59 < mqueiros_> yokoy: any backups ?
23:59 < keinek_> but expensive.
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09:55 < CIA-24> susan * r25428 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomeprint/libgnomeprint.desc: * updated libgnomeprint (2.18.0 -> 2.18.1)
09:56 < rxr> re
09:58 < rxr> .oO(http://lifehacker.com/software/diy/turn-a-flashlight-into-a-handheld-burning-laser-287252.php)
10:03 < CIA-24> susan * r25429 /trunk/package/mail/libetpan/libetpan.desc: * updated libetpan (0.51 -> 0.52)
10:03 < CIA-24> susan * r25430 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/strongswan.desc: * updated strongswan (4.1.4 -> 4.1.5)
10:04 < CIA-24> susan * r25431 /trunk/package/network/libotr/libotr.desc: * updated libotr (3.0.0 -> 3.1.0)
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10:17 < rxr> heh
10:17 < rxr> OpenMoko Neo1973 arrived :-)
10:18 < sepp> :)
10:18 < sepp> moin
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10:27 [Users #t2]
10:27 [@ChanServ ] [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
10:27 [ cbrake_a1ay] [ Dallur ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto ] [ sepp ] [ wbx ]
10:27 [ CIA-24 ] [ Enqlave] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX] [ write_erase]
10:27 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
10:30 < CIA-24> susan * r25432 /trunk/package/graphic/libptp/ (gcc4.patch libptp.desc): * updated libptp (1.1.0 -> 1.1.9)
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11:37 < yokoy> re
11:48 < rxr> hi
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12:38 < yokoy> hey,
12:39 < yokoy> in the config you can check "Optimizes for xxx"
12:39 < yokoy> there are several AMDs
12:40 < rxr> yep
12:40 < yokoy> which is the X2?
12:40 < yokoy> MP?
12:40 < yokoy> multiprozessor?
12:40 < rxr> there are no fine grained options in GCC for the Athlon64's ...
12:41 < yokoy> so?
12:41 < yokoy> which comes nearest?
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12:50 < rxr> Athlon64
12:56 < yokoy> rxr: fine, but there is no choice "Athlon64"
12:57 < rxr> do you build for x86 or x86-64 ?
12:57 < yokoy> dumdidummm...sorry
12:59 < yokoy> is it a cross build, then? I build it on a x86.
13:00 < rxr> if you do not run a 64bit capable kernel it is a cross build, yes
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14:50 < write_erase_> rxr, OpenMoko still don't have Wifi Chipset :-(
15:13 < rxr> nope
15:13 < rxr> but the 2nd version is said to have one
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15:36 < rxr> valentin: the Neo1973 (the phone hardware of the software OpenMoko project) comes with a guitar plec, for opening the plastic case :-)
15:40 < cyda> moin folks
15:46 < rxr> Mem: 65552K used, 61132K free, 0K shrd, 24K buff, 33080K cached
15:46 < rxr> Load average: 0.01 0.27 0.25 (Status: S=sleeping R=running, W=waiting)
15:46 < rxr> PID USER STATUS RSS PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND
15:46 < rxr> 1231 root R 848 1228 1.4 0.6 top
15:46 < rxr> 1227 root S 1032 1073 1.2 0.8 dropbear
15:46 < rxr> 1210 root S 15264 1203 0.0 12.0 openmoko-dialer
15:46 < rxr> 1209 root S 7844 1203 0.0 6.1 openmoko-today
15:46 < rxr> 1222 root S 7800 1208 0.0 6.1 openmoko-taskma
15:46 < rxr> 1204 root S 7496 1203 0.0 5.9 matchbox-panel-
15:46 < rxr> 1180 root S < 6768 1161 0.0 5.3 Xfbdev
15:46 < rxr> 1208 root S 6088 1203 0.0 4.7 openmoko-footer
15:46 < rxr> 1148 root S 4368 1 0.0 3.4 pulseaudio
15:46 < rxr> root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
15:46 < rxr> Processor : ARM920T rev 0 (v4l)
15:46 < rxr> BogoMIPS : 132.71
15:46 < rxr> Features : swp half thumb
15:46 < rxr> CPU implementer : 0x41
15:46 < rxr> ...
15:46 < cyda> showoff :-p
15:47 < rxr> damn phone finally arrived just some hours ago
15:47 < cyda> you didnt sound too excited about getting it the last time i saw you
15:48 < rxr> i#m not
15:48 < rxr> nothing works
15:48 < rxr> not even calling someone
15:48 < rxr> but a good base for our t2 cellular phone stuff
15:49 < rxr> and they even use glibc on the phone, hello? glibc????
15:49 < rxr> whatis uclibc, ???
15:49 < rxr> no wonder it is slow and filled
15:49 < valentin> can't you just crosscompile some t2 embedded variant for it ?
15:49 < cyda> yeah glibc is certainly not a smart move on that architecture
15:50 < cyda> follows the redhat bloat_me model
15:50 < valentin> bbl
15:51 < rxr> valentin: sure will start soon
15:51 < rxr> and then we do the state-of-the-art UI stuff
15:51 < valentin> if you have a halfway system within one year, you will be ahead of openmoko
15:52 < rxr> I think I have a final system till new years eve ...
16:00 < mqueiros_> rxr: Been trying to find out what could be the problem with compiling Perl... and found this: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=616092
16:00 < mqueiros_> Can you take a look at it ?
16:02 < mqueiros_> I will probably change the symlink...
16:04 < rxr> ah - yes, sound plausible
16:05 < rxr> maybe we should patch perl in the long-run to build on those ubuntu systems anyway
16:06 < mqueiros_> ok, I will try it then...
16:06 < rxr> try to change the symlink or try to patch perl :-) ?
16:06 < mqueiros_> try to change the symlink... :)
16:12 < rxr> 1272 root R 1148 1213 18.4 0.9 madplay
16:18 < mqueiros_> ok, perl builds on ubuntu. :)
16:19 < rxr> I'm still shoked OpenMoko uses glibc ...
16:20 < rxr> and then they include the busybox top, and not the real thing, not even displaying accumulated, total cpu load ...
16:20 < rxr> at least they use dropbear and not openssh ...
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16:47 < LMJ> moin moin
16:47 * LMJ is in holidays :-D
17:05 < rxr> lucky you LMJ
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17:08 < LMJ> ;)
17:08 < LMJ> you could to
17:09 < LMJ> o
17:09 < rxr> where are you going to? or enjoying the home and T2 or so :-?
17:10 < LMJ> will be around until saturday evening with T2, then, 1 week on the mediteraneen sea cost enjoying girls on the beach :-P
17:10 < rxr> :-)
17:20 < yokoy> apropos coast -> silicon -> optimization for special cpu :-)
17:21 < yokoy> on my new x2 i will mainly compile x86 code
17:22 < yokoy> so should I run 32bit software and kernel or 64bit?
17:22 < sepp_> 64
17:23 < yokoy> crosscompile do not slow down?
17:23 < rxr> cross compiling will not slow down, but even in T2 we can not yet cross compile everything
17:23 < rxr> "just" 33% of the packages
17:23 < rxr> you can normaqlly run 32bit kernel just fine
17:24 < rxr> but if you want a little more performance, 64bit applications run a little faster as the 64bit mode has more registers
17:24 < rxr> but if you just run 32bit binaries that does not matter
17:25 < sepp_> cant you normally build a x86 target on x86-64 without cross compiler?
17:25 < rxr> yes you can
17:26 < sepp_> that is what i thought
17:26 < rxr> if you run a 64bit kernel you can run both binary types transparently
17:26 < rxr> but if you just run 32bit binaries you have no adavantage from that
17:26 < rxr> only if you have more than 3.5GB RAM
17:26 < yokoy> ? why that ?
17:27 < rxr> because a 32bit kernel can not address more than 3.5 GB of RAM in a way that normal programs can run in
17:27 < LMJ> it's even a physical restriction
17:28 < rxr> but although a 64bit kernel can address all of it, a single 32bit binary of course still can only address the lower 4GB of your full system's ram
17:28 < rxr> 32bit pointers can only address 4GB
17:29 < yokoy> ok, I saw that compiling is not as RAM hungry as I thought
17:29 < yokoy> so I ordered only 1 gig
17:30 < yokoy> do you think this is a slow down factor?
17:32 < LMJ> maybe try to use a tmpfs as far as you can during compilation, don't know if it's possible
17:33 < yokoy> ah, ok
17:34 < rxr> building in tmpfs with just 1G of RAM? no way
17:34 < rxr> you can start thinking about that if you have over 2, maybe 4G
17:34 < rxr> some massive C or normal C++ files make gcc/g++ consume over 500M of RAM
17:35 < rxr> and linux and mozilla will never build in a less than 1G tmpfs
17:35 < LMJ> ;)
17:36 < LMJ> but it could speed the compilation progress ?
17:36 < rxr> yes, if you have way over 2G of RAM it will speed up compilation significantly .-)
17:36 < LMJ> how many TB do you need for OOo ? :-D
17:36 < rxr> if you build on normal HDs mounting your system noatime will also help significantly
17:39 < rxr> cu all
17:40 < LMJ> CU
17:40 < yokoy> cu
17:46 * pdinoto expects to see an openmoko target soon...
17:46 < pdinoto> :-)
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17:56 < yokoy> I build a "livecd" target. Is it possible to change the config to "install" an rerun the Build-Target script without mess up the build?
17:56 < yokoy> s/an/and
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17:59 < sepp_> i think so
18:02 < yokoy> BTW - I completely finished a minimal build in stage 9 using trunk. No errors. The first time in one year!
18:07 < yokoy> ups. the install version .iso has only 40MB vs livecd 145MB
18:15 < mqueiros_> yokoy: about changing the config and rerun build-target... Yes, you can do it... I'v been doing-it. At least it's possible to change the package selection.
18:26 < yokoy> mqueiros_: yes, I think it is a feature from t2. But now I have a install cd with 40MB, I am missing roundabout 100MB. Hmm
18:27 < mqueiros_> yokoy: strange...
18:32 < mqueiros_> I'm building 6.0.3 now... Had problems with kernel modules in trunk.
18:49 < yokoy> mqueiros_: yes, the modules. wifi?
18:49 < mqueiros_> yokoy: yes, but also nvidia-legacy... and slmodem...
19:17 < mqueiros_> anyone got T2 mailing list archives in mbos format ?
19:17 < mqueiros_> I would like to have them...
19:22 < mqueiros_> mbos, should be... mbox, of course...
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20:44 < pdinoto> anybody knows why my livecd image gets packages
20:44 < pdinoto> built in stage 1?
20:46 < mqueiros_> pdinoto: what packages are you talking about ?
20:47 < pdinoto> I have my own target, which only has busybox, linux26, lua
20:47 < pdinoto> compiled with uclibc.
20:47 < pdinoto> These are -more or less- the only ones built in stage 5.
20:48 < pdinoto> when I use Create-ISO, I get perl, bash, about 40mb.
20:48 < pdinoto> so I guess Create-ISO is taking stuff from stage 1...
20:49 < pdinoto> as far as I understood, stage 1 needs perl, awk, etc.
20:49 < pdinoto> to deal with the build of succesive stages.
20:49 < pdinoto> but it is not clear what gets included in a final ISO image...
20:50 < pdinoto> (it is not clear to me, that is :-)
20:50 < mqueiros_> well... it's not clear to me too...
20:51 * pdinoto feels better :-)
20:51 < pdinoto> I am now looking into Create-ISO, to see if I can get insight on it.
20:52 < mqueiros_> let me know if you get into some conclusion... :)
22:04 < renderfull> any AVR32/STK1000 users in here? Trying to upgrade uBoot, having issues
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22:25 < kic-> can someone send a ping to a box on my fiber line for me, and tell me what kind of ms you get?
22:26 < renderfull> sure
22:26 < renderfull> what's the ip?
22:30 < yokoy> avg 173ms
22:48 < kic-> ip is
22:48 < kic-> 208.115.42.117
22:49 < renderfull> avg 88ms
22:49 < kic-> hrm
22:49 < kic-> and where are you located?
23:20 < pdinoto> time=163 ms from Argentina
23:27 < Ragnar> re
23:34 < mqueiros_> kic: need another ping ?
23:36 < kic-> sure
23:37 < mqueiros_> time=168 ms
23:37 < kic-> what location
23:37 < mqueiros_> from Portugal.
23:37 < kic-> hrm
23:37 < kic-> not TO bad i guess
23:37 < kic-> this box is on a 10mb Fiber line, in Boca Raton, FL
23:37 < mqueiros_> yes... not bad...
23:38 < kic-> its the T2 box sitting in my office, i think i'm gonna try to use it for a Counter-Strike source server
23:38 < kic-> :D
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23:51 < keinek> hi
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23:56 < yokoy> aaaaaargh
23:56 < keinek_> aaaaaaaaaaaah!
23:56 < keinek_> :)
23:56 < yokoy> my harddisk fucked up
23:57 < keinek_> this things happens.
23:57 < keinek_> make any sound?
23:57 < keinek_> like: stuuu stuu stuuck
23:58 < yokoy> something like that...
23:58 < keinek_> yes... the harddisk fucked up...
23:58 < keinek_> seagate? maxtor? samsung? western digital?
23:59 < yokoy> i guess it is a maxtor
23:59 < keinek_> western is better.
23:59 < mqueiros_> yokoy: any backups ?
23:59 < keinek_> but expensive.
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