--- Log opened Thu Aug 23 00:00:08 2007 00:18 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@Z7d83.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 00:37 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z555a.z.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:41 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@gprs-pool-1-023.eplus-online.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:42 -!- CIA-24 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 00:52 -!- CIA-24 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #t2 02:13 -!- chuckster20 [n=chuckste@71-212-147-160.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 02:15 < chuckster20> Enter text here...hello 02:16 -!- chuckster20 [n=chuckste@71-212-147-160.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:44 -!- netson [n=netson@210.210.181.45] has joined #t2 02:52 -!- netson is now known as netson99 03:10 -!- CIA-24 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 03:21 -!- sn9_ [n=danielg4@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us] has joined #t2 03:22 -!- CIA-24 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #t2 04:14 -!- netson99 [n=netson@210.210.181.45] has left #t2 [] 04:44 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z5fe6.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 04:54 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@Z7d83.z.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:44 -!- netson [n=netson@202.153.241.206] has joined #t2 07:15 < sn9_> 6.0.3 fails to build, and 7.0-rc fails to download :( 07:16 < sn9_> so much for being able to try t2 today... 07:17 < sn9_> am i doing something wrong? 07:18 < sn9_> i'm following the handbook 07:34 < sn9_> this has got to be the least active channel on freenode... 07:36 < sepp> hi sn9_ :) 07:36 < sn9_> hello 07:38 < sn9_> the build of 6.0.3 stops with some nonsensical error building perl 07:38 < sepp> some make error? 07:38 < sn9_> 7.0-rc won't even fetch packages 07:39 < sn9_> if it were make, it might have made sense 07:39 < sn9_> rebuilding now with xtrace 07:39 < sepp> do you run some debian or ubuntu? 07:39 < sn9_> yes 07:39 < sepp> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=616092 07:39 < sepp> ;) 07:40 < sn9_> holy fsck! 07:41 < sepp> hehe 07:42 < sn9_> now, how about 7.0-rc? 07:42 < sepp> what is the error with that? 07:43 < sn9_> 404 07:43 < sepp> what? svn, ftp or some package? 07:43 < sn9_> most packages 07:43 < sn9_> i've tried every mirror 07:44 < sepp> uhm 07:44 < sepp> what is in download/Mirror-Cache ? 07:45 < sn9_> "scripts/Download -required" just does not want to work on 7.0-rc 07:45 < sn9_> http://64.251.30.248/mirror_t2/7.0 7.0-rc 07:45 < sn9_> at least, atm 07:45 < sepp> if it is not yet on the mirror it would fetch from the original url 07:46 < sn9_> also 404 07:46 < sepp> network fuckup on your side? 07:47 < sn9_> that would not generate a 404 07:47 < sepp> why should it generate a 404 even on all fallback (orig) locations? 07:48 < sn9_> some fuckup in the tarball? 07:49 < sepp> which tarball? 07:49 < sn9_> first thing that fails is flex-2.5.31 07:49 < sn9_> 7.0-rc 07:51 < sepp> hmm 07:51 < sepp> more? 07:53 < sn9_> linux-2.6.21-rc7-u1.diff.gz 07:54 < sn9_> there may have been a third, but i don't see it atm 07:57 < sepp> flex is an typo in the 7.0-rc (fixed in 7.0 svn) ... 07:57 < sepp> -[D] 2768449097 flex-2.5.33.tar.bz2 http://dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/lex/ 07:57 < sepp> +[D] 2768449097 flex-2.5.33.tar.bz2 http://dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/flex/ 07:57 < sepp> 'f' missing ... 07:58 < sn9_> like i said... 07:59 < sn9_> which file is that, btw? 07:59 < sepp> you could just edit package/base/flex/flex.desc for now and add the 'f' 07:59 < sepp> but it should be on the mirror in the 1st place 08:07 < sepp> but at least 2 files is not most :-) 08:07 < sn9_> thanx 08:08 < sepp> yw 08:08 < sn9_> well, most are not on the mirrors, but the orig url's work except there 08:09 < sepp> i thought you mean it can not download anything ... 08:09 < sn9_> from mirrors, it can't 08:11 < sepp> ok 08:11 < sepp> no clue why 08:12 < sn9_> but 6.0.3 downloads go without a hitch 08:19 < sepp> :) 08:23 < sepp> now one should fix perl 08:24 < sn9_> my name is not larry wall, and i agree with that message ;) 08:38 < sepp> too bad :p 08:41 < sn9_> still can't download linux-2.6.21-rc7-u1.diff.gz 08:41 < sepp> which package does that belong to? 08:42 < sepp> have no 7.0 tree around ... 08:42 < sn9_> can't get popt-1.7.tar.gz, either 08:43 < sn9_> that was the third one i didn't see before 08:44 < sn9_> the diff.gz is from unionfs 08:45 < sepp> the files are at least on http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/t2/source/7.0/ 08:45 < sn9_> both? 08:46 < sepp> popt, flex 08:46 < sn9_> but not unionfs? 08:47 < sepp> not this one, but i dont know how long files stay on the mirrors 08:48 < sepp> you could ask rxr 09:01 -!- Ragnarin is now known as Ragnar|away 09:21 < rxr> re 09:23 [Users #t2] 09:23 [@ChanServ] [ DeeKey ] [ kic- ] [ netson ] [ sepp ] 09:23 [ CIA-24 ] [ emte ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto ] [ sn9_ ] 09:23 [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX ] 09:23 [ Dallur ] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 09:23 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 09:23 < rxr> re 09:28 < sepp> moin rxr 09:29 < rxr> the outdated files are deleted after 6 months, currently 09:32 < sepp> ahh, ok 09:32 < rxr> so far I found noone complaining, ... maybe we should increase that a little 09:33 < mtr> moin :) 09:34 < sepp> moin mtr 09:34 < rxr> hey mtr 09:34 < mtr> moin moin sepp 09:35 < mtr> hi rxr 09:36 < mtr> how are things in T2? 09:36 < sn9_> popt is NOT on nexus.tfh-berlin.de, according to the downloader script 09:40 < rxr> sn9_: can you just use trunk instead of the aging -rc snapshot ? 09:40 < rxr> sn9_: we also should fix your perl build error 09:40 < rxr> (of 6.0) 09:41 < rxr> can you post the full 1-perl.err log file at some site ? 09:41 < rxr> mtr: fine, great or so ... 09:41 < rxr> mtr: more hits ever day, etc :-) I fixed the qtcore to add the bigendian config more generically and added arm support 09:41 < rxr> mtr: some openmoko people complaint that qtcore should probably be renamed to qtopia-core or so 09:43 < rxr> and, how was your holiday ? 09:44 < sn9_> the perl build error is a bug in perl. i resymlinked /bin/sh to /bin/bash and am rebuilding 09:45 < sn9_> i might have used the trunk, but then i saw the /topic 09:45 < rxr> ah - that bug 09:46 < mtr> trolltech named it qtopia-core, but in fact it has nothing to do with qtopia 09:46 < mtr> qtcore is the qt/embedded successor 09:50 < rxr> ok, good to know the openmoko folks troll around .-) 09:50 < rxr> mtr: our qtcore package built for arm after my changes, but webkit did nt yet 09:50 < mtr> thanks, enjoyed some sunny days with my family, was a great time 09:50 < rxr> but I had no closer look yet 09:50 < rxr> mtr: great :-) holidays are alway so refreshing :-) 09:57 < rxr> valentin: you use pine, right ? 09:59 < rxr> valentin: there is some new http://www.washington.edu/alpine/, maybe we should add it .-) 10:01 < rxr> Polen gegen Open XML? 10:01 < rxr> ^-> http://golem.de/ <-v 10:01 < rxr> yes, please safe us, Germany already decided to vote for it ... 10:13 < rxr> ^-> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94703 10:28 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has joined #t2 10:28 -!- pdinoto [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:37 < CIA-24> susan * r25725 /trunk/package/xorg/libice/libice.desc: * updated libice (1.0.3 -> 1.0.4) 10:37 < CIA-24> susan * r25726 /trunk/package/xorg/libxpm/libxpm.desc: * updated libxpm (3.5.6 -> 3.5.7) 10:38 < CIA-24> susan * r25727 /trunk/package/xorg/libxaw/libxaw.desc: * updated libxaw (1.0.3 -> 1.0.4) 10:38 < CIA-24> susan * r25728 /trunk/package/xorg/libxrender/libxrender.desc: * updated libxrender (0.9.2 -> 0.9.3) 10:38 < CIA-24> susan * r25729 /trunk/package/xorg/libxtst/libxtst.desc: * updated libxtst (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3) 10:39 < CIA-24> susan * r25730 /trunk/package/xorg/sessreg/sessreg.desc: * updated sessreg (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3) 10:46 < CIA-24> susan * r25731 /trunk/package/network/samba/samba.desc: * updated samba (3.0.25b -> 3.0.25c) 10:48 < CIA-24> susan * r25732 /trunk/package/www/links/links.desc: * updated links (2.1pre29 -> 2.1pre30) 10:49 < CIA-24> susan * r25733 /trunk/package/security/libpreludedb/libpreludedb.desc: * updated libpreludedb (0.9.12 -> 0.9.13) 10:53 < CIA-24> susan * r25734 /trunk/package/emulators/stella/stella.desc: * updated stella (2.3.5 -> 2.4) 11:23 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e178074126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 11:30 [Users #t2] 11:30 [@ChanServ] [ DeeKey ] [ kic- ] [ netson ] [ sepp ] [ yokoy] 11:30 [ CIA-24 ] [ emte ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ sn9_ ] 11:30 [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX ] 11:30 [ Dallur ] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 11:30 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 21 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 11:38 < CIA-24> rene * r25735 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.22.3 -> 2.6.22.4) 11:39 < CIA-24> rene * r25736 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.22.4 -> 2.6.22.5) 11:59 < rxr> I wouldn't code name my software "fuki", ... 11:59 < rxr> 11:59 < rxr> XEmacs 21.5.28 "fuki" is released 12:00 < valentin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuki 12:01 < rxr> heh 12:01 < rxr> sounds strange notheless ... 12:03 < sn9_> no more strange than ficus benjamina 12:13 -!- netson is now known as netson99 12:14 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e178074126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["leaving"] 12:17 < rxr> XEmacs 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" (linux, Mule) of Thu Aug 23 2007 on blackrider 12:17 < rxr> he 12:20 [Users #t2] 12:20 [@ChanServ] [ DeeKey ] [ kic- ] [ netson99 ] [ sepp ] 12:20 [ CIA-24 ] [ emte ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ sn9_ ] 12:20 [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX ] 12:20 [ Dallur ] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 12:20 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 13:20 -!- kulandin [n=kulandin@jabber.hst.ru] has joined #t2 13:21 < kulandin> hello! 13:22 < rxr> hi 13:22 [Users #t2] 13:22 [@ChanServ] [ DeeKey ] [ kic- ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 13:22 [ CIA-24 ] [ emte ] [ kulandin ] [ netson99 ] [ sepp ] 13:22 [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ sn9_ ] 13:22 [ Dallur ] [ happycube] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX] 13:22 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 21 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 13:24 < kulandin> Ha :) Yesterday due to the "nearbyint" problem I decided to change libraries from uclibc to eglibc 13:24 < kulandin> I was shocked when the download counter showed more then 100MB for eglibc! 13:24 < rxr> I think it might contain .svn files 13:24 < kulandin> And it is called embedded! 13:25 < rxr> eglibc is more a general "we want a sane maintainer" fork, as Ullrich Drepper pisses on everyone 13:25 < rxr> it is just the glibc 13:25 < rxr> nothing really embedded, just a little better cross support and such 13:25 < rxr> some people, including Open Moko, use glibc for embedded systems, ... 13:26 < rxr> "big embedded systems" 13:26 < kulandin> HAHAH yea... Actually embedded does not mean small :) 13:27 < valentin> some people put standard mainbords in fancy plastic boxes and call that an embededd system 13:27 < valentin> mainboards / embedded 13:27 < kulandin> But why not?! 13:28 < valentin> i'd rather call that a PC 13:28 < kulandin> embedded mean a computer system designed for a particular use case. It is programmed once an should work as a hardware thing.. 13:28 < valentin> yea, sure 13:51 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/embedded/ 13:56 < kulandin> great ! Everything is clear 13:57 < rxr> any suggestion and more text etc. pp for our homepage is welcome :-) 13:58 < kulandin> maybe more Q&A ? 13:58 < kulandin> maybe forum? 13:58 < rxr> if you have a Q&A let us know :-) 13:58 < rxr> forum, yeah , ... 14:00 < kulandin> Actually I meant Frequently asked Q&A ... 14:01 < rxr> yeah - I know, as you asked for more Q&A I asked if you have a A that's missing 14:01 < kulandin> it is hard for me to decide now, is it frequent or not :) 14:02 < rxr> all - frequent questions we know are answered there :-) 14:03 < kulandin> Forum will be of value to the project... It is quite difficult to solve compiling related problems without community support. 14:03 < kulandin> It is quite hard t reuse the info from IRC logs.. 14:10 < CIA-24> rene * r25737 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 14:10 < CIA-24> * updated u-boot (1.1.4 -> 1.2.0), moved AVR specific patching into 14:10 < CIA-24> architecture/avr32/package/u-bnoot (1.1.4-avr1) overlay 15:30 -!- CIA-24 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 15:56 < cyda> safemedia 15:56 < kulandin> ? 15:56 < cyda> doh 15:56 < cyda> wrong keyboard 15:58 < kulandin> hahah A also control 2 Pcs, but use only 1,5 keyboard and only one mouse :) 15:58 < rxr> hi cyda 15:58 < cyda> hey rxr 15:59 < cyda> kulandin: my kvm switch sucks 15:59 < cyda> for some reason the keyboard and mouse dont work 16:00 < cyda> so the only thing i can share with all the boxes is the monitor 16:00 < cyda> it gets confusing 16:05 -!- kulandin is now known as DeeKey1 16:07 < DeeKey1> cyda: I also use KVM switch. And 2 monitors (actually I cab use only one) 16:07 < DeeKey1> But no mouse or keybors is attached to kvm :) 16:07 < DeeKey1> The trick is: I use VNC to control the PC ! 16:08 < DeeKey1> with KVM you cannot copy past info from one pc to another. With KVM you can! 16:13 < cyda> yeah vnc is cool 16:14 [Users #t2] 16:14 [@ChanServ] [ DeeKey1 ] [ kic- ] [ netson99 ] [ sepp ] 16:14 [ cyda ] [ emte ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ sn9_ ] 16:14 [ Dallur ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX ] 16:14 [ DeeKey ] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 16:14 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 16:14 < DeeKey1> althow there is some quirks... It is slower, then windows RDP... And i have found a mouse pointer bug when working with VmWare client... 16:14 < DeeKey1> Pointer became a square 16:16 -!- netson99 [n=netson@202.153.241.206] has left #t2 [] 16:18 -!- CIA-24 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #t2 16:20 -!- DeeKey1 [n=kulandin@jabber.hst.ru] has left #t2 [] 17:36 -!- netson [n=netson@210.210.181.171] has joined #t2 17:37 -!- netson is now known as netson99 18:09 [Users #t2] 18:09 [@ChanServ] [ DeeKey ] [ kic- ] [ netson99 ] [ sepp ] 18:09 [ CIA-24 ] [ emte ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ sn9_ ] 18:09 [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX ] 18:09 [ Dallur ] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 18:09 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 18:39 < mqueiros_> Hello! Does anyone thinks there should be a "newbie" guide to T2 ? 18:40 < rxr> yeah - do you want to write some lines ? 18:40 < mqueiros_> Yes... :) 18:40 < mqueiros_> what do you think it should be there ? 18:40 < rxr> I thought of writing some "a week with T2" tutorial as mini documentation 18:40 < rxr> like everything you encounter if you use T2 for a week :-) 18:41 < mqueiros_> Yes... it seems like the experience I'm having with T2... ;) 18:43 < mqueiros_> the handbook has been done in docbook ? 18:44 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:44 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has joined #t2 18:44 < rxr> yes, the handbook ware cetently re-written to docbook (was LaTeX) 18:45 < rxr> but the guide probably should be on the homepage, like the other tiny tutorials 18:45 < rxr> so you can use minimally marked up HTML if you prefer 18:45 < rxr> btw. I thought about starting a ezine section on the homepage 18:46 < rxr> also covering other open source and linux goodies ... - special setups, new packages, new features etc. 18:46 < rxr> maybe T2 is big enough for such stuff, these days 18:46 < mqueiros_> ok... I must say I like (La)TeX a lot ! 18:47 < mqueiros_> but you are right, the guide should be on the home page... 18:47 < rxr> historically I also liked LaTeX 18:48 < cyda> hey rxr, quick question 18:48 < cyda> is sysfs required in the kernel for t2? 18:58 < rxr> well - for udev, yes 18:58 < rxr> if you do not include sysfs udev will stop to work 18:59 < rxr> cyda: are you asked to build a kernel without sysfs ? 19:00 < rxr> you can - if you convert back to using static nodes in /dev 19:00 < rxr> (few people do these days) 19:01 < cyda> ty, that could explain why i cant boot :-p 19:21 -!- Ragnar|away is now known as Ragnarin 19:24 < DeeKey> rxr: I have switched from uclibc to dietlibc, but now I cannot compile package (rtai) which was compiled with uclibc... 19:24 < DeeKey> error: compiler cannot make executables 19:25 < DeeKey> Do you have a suggestion? 19:31 -!- Dallur [n=earl@194-144-10-228.du.xdsl.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:41 < DeeKey> it seems that dietlibc is some kind of a instable dark matter I will better leave it alone :) 19:44 < rxr> if you need C++ don't use dietlibc 19:44 < rxr> "which was compiled with uclibc" 19:44 < rxr> you can also not mix different C libraries ... 19:53 < DeeKey> It is clear... Now I am trying t build with glibc... But it seems that I have already tried and failed... I will look at it more detailed.. 20:02 < DeeKey> hahahaha :) Funny thing! 3d Printer! http://fabathome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page 20:03 < sn9_> have you ever used one of those? 20:03 < rxr> yes 20:03 < DeeKey> rxr: really?! 20:04 < rxr> yes, especially as former days I was trained as technical draftsperson 20:04 < rxr> but also with the companies we work togther "printing" prototypes ... 20:04 < DeeKey> And is it really useful?! 20:04 < rxr> was just at a company having this their main business last week 20:04 < rxr> yeah - sure 20:05 < rxr> you can rapid print your protype models ... 20:05 < rxr> of all kind of cases and tools and such 20:05 < DeeKey> hmm.. But of course not with this exact printer i pointed to.. 20:06 < rxr> heh - maybe not did not click that link yet 20:06 < rxr> with the industrial ones you can even "print" (sinter) metal together 20:06 < rxr> (with a laster) 20:06 < DeeKey> WOU! 20:06 < rxr> laser 20:07 < DeeKey> metal as a powder? 20:07 < rxr> yep 20:07 < DeeKey> cool! 20:07 < rxr> but I did not saw that yet :-) 20:07 < rxr> at least not that I remeber 20:07 < DeeKey> it sould be possible.. 20:09 < rxr> but I know they exist :-) 20:12 < CIA-24> rene * r25739 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-ati/xf86-video-ati.desc: * updated xf86-video-ati (6.6.193 -> 6.7.191) 20:17 < DeeKey> what variable to use to get a packages tar name? 20:18 < rxr> of the package beging built? $xtarsrc or so 20:18 < DeeKey> I mean the name of the directory containing extracted sources 20:18 < rxr> don't use that manually 20:18 < rxr> match_source_file -p some-regex 20:19 < rxr> match_source_file -p data-file 22:58 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@dslc-082-082-189-012.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #t2 23:07 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@dslc-082-082-189-012.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:37 < CIA-24> denisk * r25741 /branches/rtai/package/contrib/rtai/ (config.in parse-config-9 pkg_linux26_post.conf rtai.desc): RTAI 3.5->3.5-cv 23:38 < CIA-24> denisk * r25742 /branches/rtai/target/rtai/ (busybox.config config.in pkgsel): small changes 23:39 < CIA-24> denisk * r25743 /branches/rtai/package/scientific/comedi/comedi.conf: comments added 23:39 < CIA-24> denisk * r25744 /branches/rtai/package/scientific/comedi-driver/pkg_linux26_post.conf: comments added --- Log closed Fri Aug 24 00:00:09 2007