--- Log opened Tue Aug 28 00:00:13 2007 00:03 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z5ed2.z.pppool.de] has quit ["leaving"] 00:18 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z4817.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 01:47 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: valentin 01:48 -!- Netsplit over, joins: valentin 02:26 -!- netson99 [n=netson99@210.210.181.95] has joined #t2 03:58 -!- pdinoto [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:59 -!- pdinoto [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has joined #t2 04:18 -!- Ryuo [n=Ryuo@CPE-75-81-39-145.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 04:19 < Ryuo> does T2 have some form of a package manager once you have installed the base system? 04:20 -!- Ryuo [n=Ryuo@CPE-75-81-39-145.kc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 08:01 < rxr> Ryuo: yes 08:12 -!- write_erase [n=olivier@81.80.156.36] has joined #t2 08:12 < write_erase> hi 08:13 < rxr> hi 08:31 < CIA-24> susan * r25799 /trunk/package/xorg/xtrans/xtrans.desc: * updated xtrans (1.0.3 -> 1.0.4) 08:32 < CIA-24> susan * r25801 /trunk/package/xorg/xwininfo/xwininfo.desc: * updated xwininfo (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3) 08:32 < CIA-24> susan * r25800 /trunk/package/xorg/xcalc/xcalc.desc: * updated xcalc (1.0.1 -> 1.0.2) 08:46 < CIA-24> susan * r25802 /trunk/package/multimedia/xine-lib/xine-lib.desc: * updated xine-lib (1.1.7 -> 1.1.8) 08:46 < CIA-24> susan * r25803 /trunk/package/filesystem/jfsutils/jfsutils.desc: * updated jfsutils (1.1.11 -> 1.1.12) 08:46 < CIA-24> susan * r25804 /trunk/package/gpe/xserver-common/xserver-common.desc: * updated xserver-common (1.16 -> 1.18) 08:49 < CIA-24> susan * r25805 /trunk/package/graphic/cdlabelgen/cdlabelgen.desc: * updated cdlabelgen (3.6.0 -> 4.0.0) 08:53 < CIA-24> susan * r25806 /trunk/package/xorg/xset/xset.desc: * updated xset (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3) 09:00 -!- Ragnarin is now known as Ragnar|away 09:01 < CIA-24> susan * r25807 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-mag/gnome-mag.desc: * updated gnome-mag (0.14.6 -> 0.14.8) 09:01 < CIA-24> susan * r25808 /trunk/package/gnome2/tomboy/tomboy.desc: * updated tomboy (0.6.3 -> 0.7.5) 09:18 < CIA-24> rene * r25809 /trunk/package/editors/xemacs-beta/ (no-shared.patch xemacs-beta.desc): * updated xemacs-beta (21.5.27 -> 21.5.28) 11:09 -!- netson99_ [n=netson99@210.210.181.95] has joined #t2 11:10 -!- netson99 [n=netson99@210.210.181.95] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:30 -!- write_erase [n=olivier@81.80.156.36] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:35 -!- write_erase [n=olivier@81.80.156.36] has joined #t2 12:15 < sepp> moin :) 12:54 < rxr> moin sepp 12:54 [Users #t2] 12:54 [@ChanServ] [ emte_ ] [ mqueiros__] [ Ragnar|away] [ valentin ] 12:54 [ CIA-24 ] [ Fatal ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ write_erase] 12:54 [ cyda ] [ happycube] [ netson99_ ] [ sepp ] 12:54 [ Dallur ] [ kic- ] [ pdinoto ] [ TobiX ] 12:54 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 12:54 < rxr> re 12:58 < sepp> hi rxr 14:45 -!- write_erase_ [n=olivier@81.80.156.36] has joined #t2 14:46 -!- write_erase [n=olivier@81.80.156.36] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:51 -!- write_erase_ [n=olivier@81.80.156.36] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:19 -!- DeeKey [n=kulandin@jabber.hst.ru] has joined #t2 16:10 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z4817.z.pppool.de] has quit ["leaving"] 16:10 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.80.189.242] has joined #t2 16:11 -!- pdinoto [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:17 < rxr> IT: Microsoft Bought Sweden's ISO Vote on OOXML? 16:17 < rxr> " Some 20 new companies — each one payed about $2500 to be allowed to vote — and vote they did ... for Microsoft. Most of the new companies were partners from Microsoft who suddenly out of the blue joined the Working Group, payed membership fees and voted yes for approval. " 16:17 < rxr> http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/08/28/1237255.shtml 16:17 < rxr> now that is fun 16:18 < DeeKey> HAHAH 16:18 < DeeKey> Really!? 16:18 < rxr> that news says so 16:18 < rxr> I was nto there ... 16:18 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z4817.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 16:24 < kic-> re 16:24 < kic-> damng, hangovers suck 16:24 < kic-> see, can't even spell 16:24 < rxr> kic-: ? 16:25 < kic-> hi 16:25 < kic-> heh 16:32 -!- DeeKey [n=kulandin@jabber.hst.ru] has left #t2 [] 16:48 < CIA-24> rene * r25810 /trunk/package/x86/powertop/powertop.desc: * updated powertop (1.7 -> 1.8) 17:12 -!- Ryuo [n=raizen@CPE-75-81-39-145.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #t2 17:18 -!- TobiX [i=tobias@zoidberg.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:47 -!- TobiX [i=tobias@zoidberg.org] has joined #t2 18:26 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e178069046.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 19:05 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.80.189.242] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:05 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has joined #t2 19:35 -!- Ragnar|away is now known as Ragnarin 20:01 -!- LMJ_p [n=LMJ@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 20:02 < LMJ_p> moin 20:03 < Ryuo> when I try to execute the T2 download scripts, I keep getting curl download errors :/ 20:04 < Ryuo> 404 and stuff like that... sigh 20:07 < sepp> which version? 20:07 < sepp> moin LMJ_p 20:09 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:09 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has joined #t2 20:09 < Ryuo> 7.0-rc 20:15 < Ryuo> how annoying, when the download scripts don't even fully work :/ 20:15 < Ryuo> some files it claims are 404... like cpio 20:15 < mqueiros__> Ryou: Didi you do an svn checkout ? 20:16 < mqueiros__> Ryuo: Did you do an svn checkout ? 20:16 < rxr> re 20:16 < Ryuo> I tried that too, and it also ran into 404 errors on some of the files 20:16 < rxr> Ryuo: well our master mirror is down right now 20:16 < Ryuo> when i ran the download scripts after configuring 20:17 < mqueiros__> Ryou: Ok... that's it, the mirror is down. 20:17 < rxr> oh - btw. can you just use t2/trunk instead of the -rc ? 20:17 < Ryuo> rxr: any idea when it will be back up? 20:17 < Ryuo> i feel like testing my new machines CPU muscle ^_^ 20:18 < Ryuo> this is my first dual core cpu :o 20:18 < happycube> what'cha get? 20:18 < Ryuo> athlon 64 x2 4600+ 20:18 < happycube> enjoy :) 20:18 < rxr> yeah - I had someone on the phone today 20:18 < Ryuo> 1 GB ddr2 ram :o 20:19 < rxr> but he was unable to find the reset button 20:19 < rxr> yeah - it's a uni - don't ask 20:19 < Ryuo> ... lol? 20:19 < Ryuo> reset button... 20:19 < Ryuo> my computers entirely custom built 20:19 < rxr> yeah - that is custom built as well 20:20 < mqueiros__> Ryou: I think you can do: rm download/Mirror-Cache that a new mirror will be selected... 20:20 < Ryuo> my previous processor was athlon 64 3500+, socket 939 20:20 < Ryuo> hrm 20:21 < Ryuo> i wonder if AMDs next line of processors will supersede intels current line of extreme processors 20:22 < Ragnarin> very doubtful 20:24 < Ryuo> mqueiros__: I've tried resetting the mirror, doesnt change the outcome 20:28 < rxr> Ryuo: use trunk svn :HEAD checkout 20:32 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:32 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has joined #t2 20:37 < LMJ_p> moin 20:37 < rxr> moin moin LMJ_p 20:37 < LMJ_p> I'm getting lost now : since I restarted X, my mouse cursor is invisible, any ideas why ? 20:38 < rxr> no 20:38 < rxr> if a reboot helps than your driver has a bug restore card state bits on VT switch 20:38 < Ryuo> what kernel does the svn version currently use? 20:38 < Ryuo> 2.6.22? 20:39 < Ragnarin> 2.6.22.5 20:39 < Ryuo> ah 20:39 < LMJ_p> reboot didn't help :-/ 20:41 < rxr> hm - did you update something X related ? 20:41 < Ryuo> if you compile and install a T2 system, how do you add or update packages? do you use the same thing you used to compile the original system? 20:42 < rxr> either by build using T2 form source 20:42 < kic-> scripts/Find-Pkg pkgname 20:42 < rxr> or binary packages 20:42 < kic-> if found, scripts/Emerge-Pkg pkgname 20:42 < Ryuo> dir 20:42 < Ryuo> err 20:42 < Ryuo> oops 20:42 < Ryuo> heh 20:43 < kic-> hrm 20:43 < kic-> i'm still running 2.6.22.1 on my office machine here 20:43 < kic-> maybe i should emerge 2.6.22.5 20:44 < Ryuo> whats the difference between t2-trunk and t2-trunk-head? 20:44 * Ryuo blinks. 20:45 < rxr> nothing, just that :HEAD reffers to really be at the SVN HEAD 20:45 < rxr> not some revision lacking behind :-) 20:46 < Ryuo> is there a script for checking if any of your previously compiled packages are out of date? 20:46 < kic-> i think you can do, scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dry-run -system 20:46 < kic-> to get that list 20:46 < Ryuo> ah 20:46 < rxr> hm - something in the system init script messes up the terminal on a new box strange thing 20:47 < kic-> is that the choppy display, which fixes itself as the boot process proceeds on? 20:47 < Ryuo> i prefer to build a minimal system first and only add what I need to avoid unnecessary software... heh 20:47 < LMJ_p> what is the best place to blacklist modules ? I tried /etc/modprobe.conf (blacklist ntfs) but it's still loaded at boot 20:48 < rxr> LMJ_p: the ones loaded in the initrd can currently not be blacklisted 20:48 < rxr> but yes, we need to fix that up 20:48 < rxr> LMJ_p: what do you want to blacklsit ? 20:48 < LMJ_p> ha ok 20:49 < LMJ_p> ntfs, reiserfs.. 20:51 < rxr> 6nvidiafb 20:51 < rxr> damn crap 20:51 < rxr> I thought I deleted that offender 20:51 < rxr> damnit 20:51 < rxr> another 20m wasted of my life 20:51 < LMJ_p> ;) 20:52 < rxr> Mem: 8141036 20:52 < rxr> # cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep name 20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz 20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz 20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz 20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz 20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz 20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz 20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz 20:52 < rxr> model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz 20:52 < yokoy> LMJ_p: I do not want to load ide generic at boot time. So I removed the module and run mkinitrd. 20:52 < rxr> sounds like fun, hm ? 20:52 < yokoy> Hi all 20:52 < yokoy> :-) 20:53 < Ryuo> 8 GB of ram? jeez 20:53 < Ryuo> i've never used more than 1 GB at any one time... 20:53 < LMJ_p> 8 dual core CPU ? 20:53 < sepp> 640k are enough 20:53 < yokoy> LMJ_p: maybe you could remove or hide the named modules 20:53 < LMJ_p> moin sepp ;) 20:54 < sepp> moin LMJ_p 20:54 < rxr> LMJ_p: 2 x Quad Core, yes 20:54 < LMJ_p> what is the model ? Fujitsu ? HP ? 20:54 < Ryuo> man biostar makes pretty solid motherboards... 20:55 < sepp> 1kw power consumption? 20:55 < sepp> :p 20:55 < LMJ_p> we are currently ordering 4 machines like this too :-P 20:55 < LMJ_p> maybe a 4 cpu Quad core too :-P 20:55 < LMJ_p> 16Go or 24Go, we are still wondering ;) 20:55 < Ryuo> isnt 8 processors kinda overkill? 20:56 < Ryuo> at least for a desktop PC it would be... 20:56 < rxr> LMJ_p: oehm - dum di du di dumm 20:57 < LMJ_p> but we are not running T2 on them (not yet) ;) 20:57 < rxr> LMJ_p: Mac Pro 20:58 < rxr> cpuinfo is 184 lines long, ... my oh my 20:58 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/workstation/Apple/MacPro/ 20:58 < rxr> dell was equally expensive, as we are Apple Developer Connect member and receive hardware discount ... 20:58 < rxr> and I prever a quiet office .-) 21:00 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e178069046.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["leaving"] 21:01 < rxr> oh - hey, the T2 Config is quite comfortable fast 21:02 < LMJ_p> I hope so 21:02 < rxr> (on that box ;-) 21:02 < rxr> that line was intented as joke :-) 21:02 < LMJ_p> . . . 21:03 < LMJ_p> I forgot to send you a couple of hardware supported by T2 21:03 < LMJ_p> Fujitsu servers 21:04 < rxr> ok - the plan is (by the way) that we'll provide binary seeds of all packages that can be cross build for any T2 support architecture from that box ... 21:04 < rxr> including: ARM, MIPS, SupwerH, SPARC, Blackfin, AVR32, etc.. 21:04 [Users #t2] 21:04 [@ChanServ] [ emte_ ] [ LMJ_p ] [ pdinoto_] [ sepp ] 21:04 [ CIA-24 ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros__] [ Ragnarin] [ TobiX ] 21:04 [ cyda ] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 21:04 [ Dallur ] [ kic- ] [ netson99_ ] [ Ryuo ] 21:04 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 21:04 < LMJ_p> we will have the choice to compile T2 or install binaries previously downloaded from a server ? 21:05 < rxr> at least for network install 21:05 < rxr> and update seeds for our official desktop builds 21:05 < rxr> a lot of people ask for regular updates ... 21:06 < rxr> I even met developers on fairs that currently run Debian that would change in the future if just we would provide bianry update seeds ... 21:06 < rxr> and also for the embedded world people could just drag'n drop their systems together, from arm, armeb, mips, mipsel etc 21:07 < rxr> or grab one or another binary they miss (like perl, eh kic-?) 21:07 < LMJ_p> you have enough ressources to handle all those things ? 21:07 < rxr> that is what we ordered the box for :-) 21:08 < rxr> I'll setup some script that auto compile all the stuff and publish logs and binary packages regularly 21:08 < rxr> like weekly 21:08 < rxr> with RAID setup and ccache the builds crunch thru quickly :-) 21:09 < mqueiros__> it would be nice to know the time, the new machine, takes to compile... say gcc, or binutils... :) 21:12 < rxr> can paste soonish 21:13 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hardware/workstation/Apple/MacPro/ 21:13 < rxr> ^- updated, cpuinfo lspci 21:14 < LMJ_p> gonna try to test T2 on a couple of servers you can find here : http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/products/standard_servers/rack/index.html & http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/en/WF04a/15351-15351-3328412-241644-241475.html 21:15 < rxr> :-) 21:16 < LMJ_p> nice middle range servers imho 21:19 < rxr> == 21:18:44 =[0]=> Building base/gcc [4.2.1 8.0-trunk]. 21:19 < rxr> == 08/28/07 21:20:49 =[0]=> Finished building package gcc. 21:19 < rxr> that is of course just the cross compiler, C/C++ 21:20 < rxr> first run, so cold ccache 21:21 < LMJ_p> You just need /proc/cpuinfo + lspci from a support T2 server ? 21:22 < rxr> not necessariy 21:22 < rxr> but that gives some more Google hits ... 21:22 < LMJ_p> what do you prefer ? cost me a couple of seconds, nothing more ;) 21:24 < rxr> I prefer cpuinfo and lspci 21:24 < LMJ_p> ok 21:24 < rxr> gives a nice overview + lots of google hits 21:24 < rxr> also lsusb from laptops as the more and more have USB keyboards and the built-in webcam / fingerprint reader etc. 21:25 < LMJ_p> k 21:27 < sepp> ohh damn, i forgot how this nfs crap works 21:28 < mqueiros__> rxr: I will compare that time, with the one from my machine... :) 21:28 < rxr> glibc is running right now 21:28 < rxr> if that builds a little im parallel that will probably be a longer, thus less noisy time to compare 21:29 < rxr> but the 2m for 0-gcc is probably already pretty good 21:30 < rxr> or a kernel build time ... ;-) 21:31 < rxr> == 21:25:52 =[1]=> Building base/glibc [2.6.1 8.0-trunk]. 21:31 < rxr> == 08/28/07 21:31:50 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc. 21:31 < Ragnarin> rxr: do you happen to have an idea about a USBDEVFS_REAPURBNDELAY failing with EAGAIN and repeating infinitely? 21:32 < rxr> no 21:32 < Ragnarin> >.< 21:32 < rxr> but I found that with latest trunk libusb stuff does not work with the new /dev/usb stuff 21:32 < rxr> do you speak about user-space USB stuff_ 21:32 < Ragnarin> yea seems so 21:32 < Ragnarin> gnomad2 21:32 < rxr> then it will probably work when you rm -rf /dev/usb 21:32 < rxr> and mount usbfs to /proc/bus/usb 21:32 < Ragnarin> oh o_o 21:33 < Ragnarin> hmm no still same error 21:33 < rxr> it looks like libusb does not yet support those usbfs 2.0 or so dynamic device nodes ... 21:34 < Ragnarin> neutrino does the same *kicks libusb 21:36 < rxr> rm as above and mount usbfs to /proc/bus/usb 21:36 < rxr> works for my scanners :_) 21:36 < rxr> I have revisiting udev stuff in trunk on the top of my TODO as I want to release 7.0-final soon 21:36 < Ragnarin> I just tried that 21:36 < rxr> and, nope ? 21:37 < Ragnarin> same error 21:41 < Ragnarin> there's no cvs for libusb 0.1, or? 21:42 < rxr> no idea 21:42 < rxr> but with usbfs it should be rock solid 21:42 < rxr> maybe the problem is elsewhere then 21:42 < rxr> what do you try to use ? 21:43 < Ragnarin> gnomad2 or neutrino 21:44 < rxr> hm, -ENOEXPERIENCE 21:44 < Ragnarin> lol 21:44 < rxr> ok - gotta go 21:44 < rxr> (21:44 in .de) 21:44 < rxr> cu then 21:44 < rxr> and have fun 21:44 < Ragnarin> cya take care 21:45 < rxr> try to :-) 21:53 [Users #t2] 21:53 [@ChanServ] [ emte_ ] [ LMJ_p ] [ pdinoto_] [ sepp ] 21:53 [ CIA-24 ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros__] [ Ragnarin] [ TobiX ] 21:53 [ cyda ] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 21:53 [ Dallur ] [ kic- ] [ netson99_ ] [ Ryuo ] 21:53 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 22:01 < Ragnarin> yay :) 22:01 < Ragnarin> libnjb cvs solved it 22:31 < LMJ_p> there is another mirror on Miami rxr ? 22:36 < LMJ_p> I can have a cheap but fast & powerfull & cheap mirror in france, something like 35€ per month for an ulimited 100Mbits connection 22:36 < LMJ_p> my ISP provide it : http://www.dedibox.fr/ (only french version, sorry) 22:39 < LMJ_p> gtg; good night 22:54 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e179020184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 22:56 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e179020184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 23:26 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e179020184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 --- Log closed Wed Aug 29 00:00:14 2007