T2 IRC Log: 2007-09-02

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--- Log opened Sun Sep 02 00:00:20 2007
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09:04 < rxr> re
09:52 < rxr> http://www.steve-jobs.com/
09:52 < rxr> http://iphone.include7.ch/wordpress/?page_id=2
09:52 < rxr> ^- iPhone unlocking in EN & DE .-)
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10:14 < DeeKey> morning!
10:29 < rxr> moin DeeKey
10:29 [Users #t2]
10:29 [@ChanServ] [ DeeKey] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ rxr ]
10:29 [ CIA-24 ] [ dsoul ] [ kic- ] [ netson99] [ sepp ]
10:29 [ cyda ] [ emte__] [ kic_ ] [ pdinoto_] [ TobiX ]
10:29 [ Dallur ] [ Fatal ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnarin] [ valentin]
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10:32 < DeeKey> rxr: great that you are here :)
10:32 < DeeKey> I wanted to ask you
10:34 < DeeKey> I am loading kernel from NFS.
10:34 < DeeKey> But the problem is that that the kernel compiled with T2 does not load from NFS!
10:34 < DeeKey> if i compile kernel standalone, it works!
10:34 < DeeKey> If I load T2 linux kernel with the GROOB it also loads!
10:34 < DeeKey> What is the problem?
10:35 < DeeKey> Configuration is the same for two kernels!
10:42 < rxr> hm - no idea, I never had such a problem
10:42 < DeeKey> :(
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11:58 < itsu> hi there
11:59 < itsu> can anyone help me on dependency resolution for packets ?
12:05 < rxr> maybe
12:05 < rxr> quat problem are you facing ?
12:06 < itsu> i had a minimalistic config
12:06 < rxr> ^-what
12:06 < itsu> afterwards i wanted to build nmap which has many deps
12:07 < itsu> so how do i make those deps without recompiling the whole target ?
12:07 < itsu> ah . good evening rxr, didn't notice it was you , sorry dude
12:07 < rxr> you can just add them to yoru pkgsel
12:07 < rxr> and run Build-Target
12:07 < rxr> it will just build what was not yet built
12:08 < itsu> pkgsel ?
12:08 < itsu> i edited the config file manually
12:08 < rxr> but you have your package selection somewhere ?
12:09 < itsu> yes !
12:09 < rxr> ok - in target/... or just in config/... ?
12:09 < itsu> just config..
12:09 < rxr> ok - which file or so did you edit manually ?
12:10 < itsu> in config/myown/config
12:10 < itsu> no wait
12:10 < itsu> thats wrong checking...
12:10 < rxr> you mean custom package selection ruless ?
12:10 < itsu> config/myown/packages
12:10 < itsu> thats the one
12:11 < itsu> so how do i add generally a package from a pre-selected config ?
12:11 < rxr> oh - you edit this manually ?
12:11 < itsu> yes
12:12 < itsu> which is a bad idea i guess now
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12:18 < itsu> sorry got dropped out rxr
12:18 < rxr> yes
12:18 < itsu> did i miss anything regarding the pkgsel ?
12:18 < rxr> it is generated on every Config run
12:18 < rxr> run the Config
12:18 < rxr> enable expert options
12:18 < itsu> okay
12:18 < rxr> eneble custom package selection and then add rules like
12:18 < itsu> im there right now
12:18 < rxr> X nmap
12:18 < rxr> X what
12:18 < rxr> X ever
12:18 < itsu> okay , i thougt so , but couldn't figure it out on myown
12:19 < itsu> ill give it a try right now
12:19 < itsu> thanx , ill give feedback on the progress as this could be usefull for newbee guide ;-)
12:19 < itsu> have nice we
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12:37 < CIA-24> susan * r25848 /trunk/package/doc/howtos/howtos.desc: * updated howtos (20070825 -> 20070901)
12:37 < CIA-24> rene * r25845 /trunk/package/filesystem/ntfs-3g/ntfs-3g.desc: * updated ntfs-3g (1.810 -> 1.826)
12:37 < CIA-24> susan * r25849 /trunk/package/network/aoetools/aoetools.desc: * updated aoetools (18 -> 19)
12:39 < CIA-24> rene * r25846 /trunk/package/mail/exim/exim.desc: * updated exim (4.67 -> 4.68)
12:59 < sepp> moin :)
13:01 < itsu> moin, moin
13:01 < rxr> hi sepp
13:02 < sepp> hi itsu, rxr :)
13:03 < sepp> make bootstrap takes over 1h for cvsmacs, wow
13:03 < sepp> that is slow
13:06 < rxr> probably it builds an AI engine and tries to understand it's own code afterwards
13:06 < DeeKey> rxr: is it possible to copy bzImage to build directory during the T2 build?
13:07 < rxr> bzImage is copied to /boot
13:07 < rxr> that is vmlinuz
13:07 < DeeKey> vmlinuz does requre system map to start...
13:07 < rxr> not that I know
13:07 < DeeKey> Maybe that is the problem, I cannot start the kernel from NFS..
13:08 < DeeKey> According to this answer, vmlinuz is not the same as bzImage....
13:08 < DeeKey> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-newbie/8309-manual-kernal-rebuild-problem.html
13:09 < rxr> that depends on the platform as well
13:09 < rxr> depending on the distribution history the images are all named different anyway
13:09 < sepp> hehe
13:09 < rxr> in t2 on x86 you get vmlinux, which is the "vanilla ELF image" and the vmlinuz which is the bzImage from the linux build
13:09 < rxr> and yes
13:10 < rxr> I myself thought in the past already to install the bzImage as bzImage into /boot .-)
13:10 < rxr> just historic compatibility stopped me from doing so
13:12 < DeeKey> but still I cannot find out why standalone kernel can be booted from NFS and T2 compiled kernel can only be booted from GRUB!
13:14 < rxr> grub has no system map whatever at hand as well
13:14 < rxr> how do you load it ?
13:15 < DeeKey> using pxe
13:15 < DeeKey> boot with dhcp
13:15 < sepp> what package provides 'update-desktop-database' ?
13:16 < DeeKey> the process of loading is described here http://www.digitalpeer.com/id/linuxnfs
13:17 < rxr> -bash: /bin/grep: Argument list too long
13:17 < rxr> desktop-file-utils:desktop-file-utils: usr/bin/update-desktop-database
13:17 < sepp> ahh, thanks
13:18 < sepp> would be nice if one could query the info from a refbuild online somewhere
13:19 < rxr> yes, that was the next plan
13:19 < rxr> actually we nearly only got this big new box to speed up reference builds
13:20 < rxr> and to start providing even a binary pre-buitl repository of everything that cross builds for all supported architecture / c-library combinations
13:21 < sepp> :)
13:28 < DeeKey> spotted in linux log the following lines:
13:28 < DeeKey> BUILD arch/i386/boot/bzImage
13:28 < DeeKey> Root device is (8, 4)
13:28 < DeeKey> Boot sector 512 bytes
13:28 < DeeKey> What is that Root device?
13:31 < rxr> some kernel default
13:31 < rxr> it is not really used today
13:31 < rxr> that is just a hardcoding the kernel uses as last resort fallback
13:31 < rxr> we do not mess with that - the kernel does this itself
13:33 < DeeKey> yeh rxr: it seems like a bug:
13:33 < DeeKey> If you use own linux.cfg file, and add a patch which contains new kernel config option, that the default configuration will not be used by T2.
13:34 < DeeKey> will be used UTS settings
13:39 < rxr> hm
13:39 < rxr> ah - I saw something like that in the scrollback
13:39 < rxr> if you could hand me some testcase I can take a look and fix it
13:42 < DeeKey> ok. I will send you two kernel config files.
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15:05 < sepp> 'error: template with C linkage' what is that supposed to mean?
15:07 < rxr> no idea, maybe mixing a C++ template with extern "C" or so ???
15:07 < rxr> never saw such an message :-)
15:07 < sepp> no C/C++ mix, i already checked that
15:07 < sepp> +extern
15:07 < rxr> maybe some tool doesn't like a symbol named "template" at all ?
15:07 < sepp> hmmm
15:08 * rxr lunching
15:08 < rxr> cu
15:08 < sepp> cu later :)
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15:36 < CIA-24> susan * r25851 /trunk/package/security/vpnc/vpnc.desc: * updated vpnc (0.4.0 -> 0.5.0)
15:36 < CIA-24> susan * r25850 /trunk/package/x11/afterstep/afterstep.desc: * updated afterstep (2.2.6 -> 2.2.7)
15:37 < CIA-24> rene * r25853 /trunk/package/scientific/maxima/maxima.desc: * updated maxima (5.12.0 -> 5.13.0)
15:37 < CIA-24> rene * r25854 /trunk/package/develop/git/git.desc: * updated git (1.5.2.4 -> 1.5.2.5)
15:37 < CIA-24> rene * r25852 /trunk/package/x11/mowitz/mowitz.desc: * updated mowitz (0.3.0 -> 0.3.1)
15:38 < CIA-24> rene * r25855 /trunk/package/develop/ginac/ginac.desc: * updated ginac (1.3.7 -> 1.4.0)
15:42 < CIA-24> susan * r25847 /trunk/package/security/openct/openct.desc: * updated openct (0.6.13 -> 0.6.14)
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15:44 < CIA-24> sebastian * r25856 /trunk/package/graphic/enblend/ (enblend.cache enblend.conf enblend.desc max.patch): * updated enblend (2.5 -> 3.0)
16:29 < rxr> re
16:36 < sepp> huhu :)
16:37 < itsu> huibuuh
16:37 < itsu> ;-)
16:40 < mqueiros_> Moin
16:40 < mqueiros_> rxr: Sent you an email yesterday, about the "newbie guide"...
16:41 < rxr> yes, read it already
16:41 < rxr> where do we want to sort it into the menu ?
16:42 < mqueiros_> it is a work in progress... will be adding some more things...
16:42 < mqueiros_> maybe Documentation ?
16:53 < rxr> it's a little bit like: http://t2-project.org/documentation/buildintro.html
16:54 < mqueiros_> yes it is... it turned out to be... but I plan to add some more things...
16:54 < mqueiros_> to try to make it more newbie oriented...
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17:19 < LMJ> hi
17:19 < rxr> hi LMJ
17:19 < LMJ> hello rxr
17:25 < sepp_> hello LMJ
17:26 < LMJ> how are you guys ?
17:28 < sepp_> tired
17:29 < sepp_> testing my just finished trunk image :)
17:30 < LMJ> with Ooo ? ;)
17:31 < sepp_> no
17:33 < LMJ> vlc compiles ?
17:33 < rxr> should
17:33 < rxr> build/reference-8.0-trunk-reference-x86-pentiumpro/var/adm/logs/5-vlc.log
17:33 < rxr> ^- just trunk:HEAD reference build ...
17:33 < LMJ> and wxpython ?
17:33 * rxr grabbing a coffe ...
17:34 < rxr> build/reference-8.0-trunk-reference-x86-pentiumpro/var/adm/logs/5-wxpython.log
17:34 < rxr> ^- but that is 32bit
17:34 < rxr> "maybe" we have a 64bit related build error for those
17:34 < LMJ> I guess sepp_ did a 64b target
17:35 < sepp_> no wxpy or vlc for me ...
17:35 < LMJ> Should I paste my error about dvd+rwtools, dvdrip, wxwidgets, vlc, avifile, wxpython ? :-P
17:38 < rxr> you have no fresh build, but a continously updated system?
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17:38 < rxr> LMJ: I ask because the dvd+rwtools error you once pasted was due to defect /include/scsi header files ...
17:38 < sepp_> something is wrong with udev
17:39 < sepp_> no /dev/hda?
17:39 < sepp_> but it is there in fdisk and /proc/partitions
17:40 < LMJ> yes rxr, continously updated system
17:43 < LMJ> sepp_ : you built a fresh trunk system because you have a problem with your current one ?
17:43 < sepp_> no
17:44 < sepp_> just to see what it broken :p
17:45 < rxr> sepp_: maybe your hda changed to sda
17:45 < rxr> sepp_: you know that the linux kernel folks are migrating all old PATA driver to use libata and thus export sda block device s?
17:46 < sepp_> /dev/hda is there, just not /dev/hda{1,2} after i created partitions with fdisk
17:46 < sepp_> had to manually mknod them
17:47 < LMJ> ;)
17:47 < sepp_> no sda...
17:48 < rxr> ouhm
17:51 < sepp_> http://89.61.123.39/boot.jpg
17:52 < its1> classic
17:52 < its1> vmware uses a ide drive
17:52 < its1> give it a scsi disk and youre done !
17:52 < its1> this problem occurs since some months in t2
17:52 < sepp_> i have also real ide drives
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17:53 < its1> i have been posting this issue already on the t2-mailing list
17:53 < its1> u need a scsi disk inside the vmware-maschine
17:53 < sepp_> and scsi is default, gives the same error
17:53 < its1> did u hit enter there ?
17:53 < sepp_> i manually changed it to ide
17:53 < its1> i also get these messages during install
17:54 < sepp_> sure, it boots, but there is still a problem with /dev/
17:54 < its1> what vmware do you have ?
17:54 < sepp_> 6
17:54 < its1> oh..
17:55 < its1> im having these problems on the vmware-server version
17:55 < its1> so i am not sure for the ws-version
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17:59 < sepp_> ok, removed the other images :p
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18:17 < rxr> sepp_: as long time T2 user, did it happen that you wiped your config/... by running multiple Config instances in parallel ?
18:18 < sepp_> yes, happend some long time ago
18:19 < rxr> ok - so you are careful and it doesn#t happen that often ? :-)
18:19 < sepp_> ok, beside the /dev/hd-or-whatever thingy it boots after the installation
18:20 < rxr> I ask because I work on locking code for the config ...
18:20 < sepp_> at least in vmware
18:21 < sepp_> man, i even forgot how ugly vanilla gtk is
18:21 < rxr> hm ?
18:21 < sepp_> lol
18:21 < sepp_> i can only install if i manually mknod /dev/hda1 ...
18:22 < rxr> oh - sounds like a bug I saw already
18:22 < rxr> guess I hunt it soonish
18:25 < rxr> somehow udevd is not properly restarted anymore ...
18:26 < sepp_> you saw the boot screenshot?
18:26 < rxr> nope
18:26 < sepp_> http://89.61.123.39/boot.jpg ...
18:28 < rxr> heh - Config has a -delete option
18:28 < rxr> how useful :-)
18:28 < rxr> if [ $delete_mode = 1 ] ; then
18:28 < rxr> rm -rv config/$config
18:28 < rxr> exit $?
18:29 < sepp_> gtk widgets (like the file dialog) can not find its own crappy icons, damn, someone has a clue?
18:29 < sepp_> at least what the name would be so that i can find it with strace
18:30 < rxr> probably in /opt/gnome2/share/pixmaps ... stock ... something
18:30 < rxr> did you run the postinstall stuff?
18:30 < rxr> I think it runs some gtk-icon-cache something ...
18:30 < rxr> all the many re-gen cache files get quite massive these days
18:33 < sepp_> that was running at postinstall
18:36 < sepp_> package hicolor-icon-theme has no files in it, just dirs
18:36 < sepp_> weird
18:39 < CIA-24> sebastian * r25857 /trunk/package/ruby/ruby/r12567.patch: * imported upstream extern/C++ fix for ruby
18:39 < CIA-24> sebastian * r25859 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/end-decls.patch: * imported upstream gimp patch, missing G_END_DECLS
18:40 < rxr> sepp_: did you ever used the "config backup" "feature" where the config is copied to src/config something in the case the Config screws up ?
18:41 < sepp_> uhm, hicolor is the fallback but that is the only place it looks at, not gnome prefix
18:41 < sepp_> no, but i rescued it from build/etc...
18:41 < sepp_> before
18:46 < sepp_> ohh man, someone moving into the house, i am out
18:47 < rxr> hm ?
18:47 < CIA-24> sebastian * r25858 /trunk/package/ruby/fxruby/fxruby.desc: * updated fxruby (1.6.6 -> 1.6.11)
18:47 < sepp_> running away from the construction site nise
18:47 < sepp_> noise
18:48 < rxr> heh
18:56 < CIA-24> rene * r25860 /trunk/scripts/Config:
18:56 < CIA-24> * implemented config/.../ locking, to not wipe the precious
18:56 < CIA-24> configuration with parallel script/Config runs
18:56 < CIA-24> * removed the only partially useful (because it was backed up to a
18:56 < CIA-24> fixed location that was overwritten by parallel runs anyway :-) and
18:56 < CIA-24> seldom used backup feature
19:25 < rxr> sepp_: ok, what's next most useful? flist search and man-page viewer, ?
19:25 < rxr> online near the package matrix
19:37 < sepp_> flist, one can already google all manpages
20:05 < sepp_> going to install on real hardware ...
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20:47 < sepp> moin :)
20:49 < LMJ> moin
20:49 < sepp> :)
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21:56 < its1> hi there
21:56 < its1> can anyone help me with building nmap
21:56 < its1> there seems to be a problem with this one
21:58 < mqueiros_> itsl: are you building trunk ?
21:59 < its1> yep
21:59 < its1> seems like nmap is configured with frontend
22:00 < its1> but i don't want the whole gui thing
22:00 < its1> the package complains that it cannot build the frontend
22:00 < mqueiros_> Nmap built fine in trunk on my desktop target...
22:00 < its1> but i don't have desktop target
22:01 < its1> e.g. a minimal built for a router cannot have all the x11 stuff
22:01 < mqueiros_> of course...
22:01 < its1> so how do i get it built then ... ?
22:01 < mqueiros_> can you post the error in pastebin.com ?
22:02 < its1> im on it ..
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22:11 < its1> http://pastebin.com/d41df25f0
22:12 < mqueiros_> it seems you are compiling the nampfe (Nmap Front end) and not NMAP it self...
22:13 < mqueiros_> nope... it seems that nmapfe is part of nmap...
22:13 < mqueiros_> although they should be diferent packages...
22:14 < its1> thats what i say
22:14 < its1> i could repack the package with nmapfe disabled for now
22:14 < its1> since i need nmap for the cli
22:14 < kic^> block2mtd is such a pain in the arseee
22:14 < its1> or can i attach a config in t2 for that package somehow ?
22:16 < mqueiros_> itsl: yes nmapfe is part of namp Take a look at: http://insecure.org/nmap/download.html
22:16 < its1> so what do we do if nmap is needed in a slim build-target ?
22:16 < mqueiros_> itsl: It might be possible to compile namp withou the frontend...
22:16 < its1> the gtk+ deps seems to resolve fine
22:16 < its1> be repacking the package
22:16 < its1> ?
22:17 < its1> i cannot do emerge-pkg so is it possible via build-target ?
22:17 < mqueiros_> itsl: it is possible with --without-nmapfe
22:17 < its1> yes i know that
22:18 < its1> but how do i involve the option with t2 ?
22:18 < sepp> pkginstalled gtk+ || var_append confopt ' ' '--without-nmapfe'
22:18 < its1> sorry i am bit noob on the t2-build structure but learning constantly these days
22:18 < mqueiros_> never done it before... I'm a noob to !
22:18 < its1> cool :-)
22:18 < sepp> just throw that line into the nmap.conf
22:18 < mqueiros_> sepp: Thanks!
22:19 < sepp> if there is one
22:19 < sepp> if not, make one with that line
22:19 < its1> that would be located where in the tree ?
22:19 < mqueiros_> sepp: there's not an nmap.conf
22:19 < mqueiros_> just cache and desc
22:19 < sepp> make one :)
22:19 < mqueiros_> ok... :)
22:19 < its1> okay sepp , so how do i do that exactly ?
22:20 < mqueiros_> probably just create the nmap.conf and put it in the same dir as the other files...
22:20 < its1> where exactly ?
22:20 < its1> on /dev/null/nmap.conf ;-)
22:20 < its1> ?
22:21 < mqueiros_> probably in t2-trunk/package/security/nmap
22:21 < its1> just kidding ...
22:21 < sepp> echo "pkginstalled gtk+ || var_append confopt ' ' '--without-nmapfe'" > package/security/nmap/nmap.conf
22:21 < sepp> in the t2 dir ...
22:21 < its1> allright ill give it a try asap
22:21 < its1> afk
22:22 < kic^> shouldn't it be >> instead of > ?
22:22 < kic^> or is there not already an nmap.conf
22:22 < its1> theres no nmap.conf
22:23 < its1> thats what all the fuzz is about
22:23 < kic^> ahh
22:23 < mqueiros_> itsl: yes... you must create one
22:23 < kic^> well there ya go
22:23 < kic^> :D
22:23 < mqueiros_> itsl: I think T2 will automatically detect it and apply it !
22:23 < kic^> bash-3.2# scripts/Create-ErrList -dry-run -cfg safemedia
22:23 < kic^> Error logs from safemedia-8.0-trunk-safemedia-x86-64-nocona:
22:23 < kic^> 341 builds total, 11 completed fine, 0 with errors, 330 to go.
22:23 < kic^> bash-3.2#
22:23 < kic^> heh, long while to go
22:24 < its1> nmap is building...
22:25 < its1> build done as expected . thanx dudez ;-)
22:26 < its1> t2 rock(s) little allegory :-)
22:26 < mqueiros_> :)
22:27 < its1> wait a secon
22:27 < its1> the build is done much 2 fast
22:27 < its1> seems the package build process considers the job done
22:27 < its1> but the package isn't actually build
22:29 < its1> ?
22:30 < mqueiros_> itsl: did you done it with: Build-target -cfg yourconfig -job 5-nmap ?
22:30 < its1> yes
22:31 < its1> the process ended like a succesfull package build
22:31 < its1> but the packet isn't in the tree
22:31 < mqueiros_> its1: would it be faster because of not building the frontend ?
22:32 < its1> the packet is supposed to be in the build path build/cfg/toolchain/packets/nmap.tar.bz2
22:32 < its1> but that is not the case
22:34 < mqueiros_> ist1: don't you have "nmap" in build/config/usr/bin ?
22:35 < its1> sorry guys
22:35 < its1> picked the wrong tree
22:35 < its1> everything there now
22:35 < mqueiros_> ok
22:36 < mqueiros_> I will probably be putting this example in the "newbie guide to T2" ! :)
22:36 < its1> i should cleanup the mess on my build-host
22:36 < its1> sometimes things go updown
22:36 < kic^> wee, rolling into stagge 1
22:36 < its1> thanx, i was worthing it to be mentioned
22:36 < its1> @mqueiros: t2 still is way cool
22:37 < mqueiros_> itsl: Yes...
22:37 < its1> when rxr gets initramfs done t2 will be a real killer
22:37 < mqueiros_> I keep saying itsl while it should be its1 !
22:37 < its1> no problem
22:37 < its1> its actually itsu ( who me ?... ;-) )
22:40 < mqueiros_> nmap should be separeted in nmap and nmapfe...
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22:41 < its1> well when dependecy-check recognizes the missing gtk+ X11 stuff it should be enough to disable nampfe via option
22:42 < its1> i guess...
22:43 < mqueiros_> as soon as possible I will try to take a look at it... haven't had the time to learn this kind of stuff...
22:44 < its1> right ... we all learn until the day well ... yeah we all know whats meant ;-)
22:45 < kic^> glibc is a beast
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22:47 < itsu> back again :-)
22:47 < mqueiros_> you are building your embedded stuff ?
22:47 < sepp> huhu :)
22:48 < itsu> ?
22:48 < sepp> ? ?
22:49 < itsu> @mqueiros_: who do you mean ?
22:49 < mqueiros_> itsu: you said you where building for a router... :)
22:49 < itsu> yes ...
22:49 < itsu> i am using a minimal configuration and adding stuff like iptraf openvpn and the like
22:49 < mqueiros_> nice... :)
22:49 < itsu> works pretty cool
22:50 < itsu> on what target are u working on ?
22:50 < kic^> what fs you going to use?
22:50 < mqueiros_> itsu: I'v started with generic... but now I'm using desktop, just for the fun... :)
22:50 < itsu> ah cool
22:51 < kic^> i think generic = 2000+ pkgs :D
22:51 < itsu> im @kic^: jfs
22:51 < kic^> itsu, cool, jffs or jffs2?
22:51 < itsu> dont know for sure
22:51 < itsu> i gues jfs
22:51 < kic^> i haven't messed with regular jfs yet
22:51 < kic^> but jffs2 is proving to be a pain
22:51 < itsu> at least the one t2 uses default
22:51 < itsu> why is that ?
22:52 < kic^> i think its just mostly because i'm trying to put it on a CF card
22:52 < kic^> instead of onboard flash or diskonchip module
22:52 < kic^> so i have to use block2mtd
22:52 < kic^> which is the real pain at the moment
22:52 < itsu> oh
22:52 < kic^> what kind of disk will your router have?
22:53 < itsu> thats why initramfs could come very handy
22:53 < itsu> my router has also a builtin flash disk
22:53 < itsu> but
22:53 < kic^> well, i'm loading rootfs into a squashfs image into ramdisk
22:53 < itsu> i pluged a usb-stick into the device
22:53 < kic^> but i need other mountable partitions that can retain data
22:53 < itsu> so now i am having a huge disk for cheap
22:54 < itsu> booting via usb is no problem with t2
22:54 < itsu> atm i have a 2gb usb-stick
22:54 < kic^> hrm, you might need block2mtd also then
22:54 < itsu> which is pretty fast
22:54 < itsu> no i dont
22:54 < kic^> how much RAM on the router?
22:54 < itsu> system is already running
22:54 < kic^> you don't? sweet
22:54 < itsu> 128mb ram 128mb flash
22:54 < kic^> woo, a 128mb onboard flash? you could do alot with that..
22:54 < itsu> but the usb-disk has 2gb
22:55 < kic^> the CF's i'm working with are also 128mb
22:55 < kic^> yeah
22:55 < itsu> sorry. i meant 256mb flash
22:55 < kic^> !
22:55 < itsu> i am using the flash for swap-device ;-)
22:55 < kic^> heh
22:55 < kic^> fast swap
22:55 < itsu> yes babyy
22:55 < itsu> kicks some serious ass
22:55 < kic^> what kind of router is it?
22:56 < kic^> commercially available?
22:56 < itsu> its a thinclient from ***
22:56 < itsu> its fun hacking standard hardware
22:56 < kic^> yah
23:08 < kic^> speaking of, brb, switching conections
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23:13 < kic-> there
23:13 < kic-> thats better
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