--- Log opened Thu Sep 06 00:00:35 2007 00:55 -!- sepp__ [n=sepp@Z5282.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 00:56 -!- sepp__ is now known as sepp 01:13 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@Z7e1d.z.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:50 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:50 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has joined #t2 04:55 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@Z7984.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 05:13 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z5282.z.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:22 -!- netson99 [n=netson99@202.153.241.206] has joined #t2 06:22 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:22 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has joined #t2 08:49 -!- Ragnarin is now known as Ragnar|away 08:55 < rxr> re 08:55 [Users #t2] 08:55 [@ChanServ] [ dsoul ] [ kic- ] [ netson99 ] [ sepp_ ] 08:55 [ CIA-8 ] [ emte__ ] [ LMJ ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ shevy ] 08:55 [ cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ mqueiros_] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX ] 08:55 [ Dallur ] [ happycube] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 08:55 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 08:57 < CIA-8> rene * r25900 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/binutils-100-uclibc-conf.patch: 08:57 < CIA-8> * rediffed package/base/uclibc/patches/binutils-100-uclibc-conf.patch 08:57 < CIA-8> for binutils 2.17.50.0.18 09:35 -!- write_erase [n=olivier@vaio.aixmarseille.com] has joined #t2 09:37 [Users #t2] 09:37 [@ChanServ] [ emte__ ] [ mqueiros_ ] [ rxr ] [ write_erase] 09:37 [ CIA-8 ] [ Fatal ] [ mtr ] [ sepp_ ] 09:37 [ cyda ] [ happycube] [ netson99 ] [ shevy ] 09:37 [ Dallur ] [ kic- ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ TobiX ] 09:37 [ dsoul ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnar|away] [ valentin] 09:37 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 21 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 09:38 < CIA-8> rene * r25901 /trunk/package/textproc/libxslt/libxslt.desc: * updated libxslt (1.1.21 -> 1.1.22) 09:39 < CIA-8> susan * r25902 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[ itsu ] [ netson99 ] [ shevy ] 13:41 [ dsoul ] [ kic- ] [ pdinoto_ ] [ TobiX ] 13:41 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 22 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 21 normal] 14:00 < CIA-8> mtr * r25933 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/50-minimal-desktop.in: 14:00 < CIA-8> * fixed a typo in the generic desktop package selection 14:00 < CIA-8> to include alsa-lib 14:14 < rxr> mtr: hm - I think this mulitple packages syntax was suppost to be supported ... 14:14 < rxr> , no ? 15:30 -!- kic_ [i=kic_@adsl-074-238-088-212.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #t2 15:58 < mtr> rxr: once it was supported - before migrating parts of the config system to lua 16:00 < rxr> I thought I explicitly implemented it compatible 16:00 < rxr> I could have fixed the lua impl. bug, then ... 16:02 < rxr> hi mtr, btw :-) 16:03 < cyda> moin 16:04 < mtr> or moin then :) 16:04 < cyda> lol, it is here 16:04 -!- rogx [n=rogx@V4896.v.pppool.de] has joined #t2 16:04 < rogx> hi! 16:05 < cyda> ho! 16:05 < rogx> i want build t2 on non-t2 system, in docs you write: "is might be easier to download one of the T2 rescue binaries (<; 100 Mb) which give you a full build system". i fetch this: http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/unstable/7.0-trunk/t-resc-0.5/t-resc-0.5-x86-pentium.iso but there is no gcc,make, watever installed. can anyone write url of "T2 rescue binaries"? 16:06 < rxr> t-resc is for rescue, the absense of gcc et al. is intentional 16:06 < rxr> rogx: you can just start building t2 on your debian, suse, redhat system anyway 16:06 < rxr> if you want a t2 with compiler grab a minimal or desktop build, they include the compiler ... 16:07 < rogx> thx 16:07 < rogx> i will get desktop build :) 16:30 -!- shevy [n=shevy@chello080108103172.36.11.univie.teleweb.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:44 -!- netson99 [n=netson99@202.153.241.206] has left #t2 [] 17:27 < rogx> in http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/6.0.3/minimal-desktop-live-pentium-mmx/t2-minimal-desktop-live-6.0.3-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso the 17:27 < rogx> script/Config missing ncurses-devel, anyone now an functional build cd? 17:29 < mqueiros_> rogx: are you using Debian to build T2 ? 17:30 < rogx> no, i use the desktop-live iso in vmware 17:30 < rxr> rogx: ehrm - that is a livecd as well, I wrote minimal or dekstop - sorry, the livecd did not came to my mind 17:35 < rogx> ok, i will test this one: http://osiris.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/7.0-rc/desktop-x86-i686/t2-7.0-rc-desktop-i686.iso 17:37 < rogx> nobody build t2 without local root? 17:37 < rxr> no, that is not possible, yet 17:38 < rogx> the only way is vmware :) 17:48 < rxr> user-mode-linux, qemu, xen, virtual-box, etc. pp. 17:50 -!- LMJ [n=serwou@laf31-2-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:38 -!- its1 [n=user@i577B973C.versanet.de] has joined #t2 19:39 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:39 -!- pdinoto_ [n=pdinoto@200.117.246.103] has joined #t2 19:49 -!- itsu [n=user@i577BBD12.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:45 -!- rogx [n=rogx@V4896.v.pppool.de] has quit ["n8"] 21:05 < rxr> hi 21:07 -!- its1 [n=user@i577B973C.versanet.de] has left #t2 [] 21:13 < pdinoto_> hi! 22:15 -!- n0yd_ [n=harbl@pdpc/active/archlinux.user.n0yd] has joined #t2 22:19 < n0yd_> Hi, I have absolutely no experience with T2, but I stumbled upon the project and it peaked my interest. So I'm following the T2 book, and I just completed running the download phase. But then the books jumps right to compiling, which seems odd. When am I supposed to pick what packages I want for my system? Should I run the Create-PkgList script first, or should I have down that before I ran the download script? Excuse me if I sound like an 22:22 < sepp_> hi n0yd_ 22:22 < sepp_> you can select packages with ./scripts/Config 22:27 < n0yd_> Hmm, I swear I didn't see an option in their. I guess I overlooked it. Thanks. ;) 22:28 < n0yd_> I was wondering why the download script grabbed so much stuff I didn't want. :-P 22:28 < sepp_> ohh, it might be under expert options 22:28 < n0yd_> It will resolve dependencies, right? 22:28 < sepp_> if you select packages in Config, no 22:29 < n0yd_> So if I choose to have xfce, I have to know all of xfce's dependencies? 22:30 < sepp_> with Config, yes 22:30 < n0yd_> Ouch... 22:30 < sepp_> there are .cache files, they have the deps in them 22:30 < n0yd_> for each package? 22:30 < sepp_> but Config does not resolve deps 22:30 < sepp_> yes 22:30 < n0yd_> Hmm, ok. I'll have a look 22:31 < sepp_> many packages have optional deps, in the end you have to manually set things 22:31 < n0yd_> Also regarding kernels, does T2 just use stock sources by default? 22:32 < n0yd_> Just curious if I'm going to have add a reiser4 patch or not. 22:32 < sepp_> 'policy' is to not apply random junk patches, unless needed to build a package 22:33 < n0yd_> Well, my system has a Raid5 array using reiser4, so I guess I'll need to apply such patch to the vanilla sources. 22:33 < n0yd_> Or is there a -ck available I can select? 22:34 < sepp_> no 22:34 < n0yd_> k 22:34 < sepp_> but you can throw the .patch into the linux26 dir 22:34 < sepp_> it will apply it for you 22:34 < n0yd_> Oh ok, great. 22:35 < sepp_> if its named*.oatch 22:35 < sepp_> *.patch 22:35 < n0yd_> right 22:35 < n0yd_> I understand all that stuff. 22:35 < sepp_> :) 22:35 < n0yd_> I used to mess around with making my own patchsets for kicks. ;) 22:36 < n0yd_> Will their be an option somewhere in the package selection to choose kernel version? I noticed it downloaded multiple versions 22:37 < sepp_> the older version is just for the header files 22:37 < n0yd_> i saw 2.4 src's being downloaded iirc. 22:38 < sepp_> well, who would want to run 2.4 22:38 < n0yd_> Not I. ;) It just made me curious as to kernel choices. 22:39 < n0yd_> Ok, I'm seeing "package options" for a bunch of packages, but no real package selection... 22:40 < sepp_> one moment 22:41 < n0yd_> I enabled the expert options. Btw I'm using latest trunk. 22:41 < sepp_> [*] Show expert and experimental options -> [*] Custom package selection -> ===> Edit package selection rules 22:42 < n0yd_> I have to make rules to tell it not to build certain packages? 22:42 < sepp_> yes 22:42 < n0yd_> ick 22:42 < sepp_> but you can also select templates 22:42 < sepp_> like minimal-xorg 22:42 < sepp_> or desktop 22:43 < n0yd_> Yes I remember seeing something on that. 22:43 < n0yd_> Is there a way before building to check to see if I have all my deps satisfied? 22:44 < sepp_> no 22:44 < sepp_> but you can select templates to not reinvent the wheel ... 22:44 < sepp_> and add things 22:44 < n0yd_> Ok 22:46 < n0yd_> What about using a template for lets say a minimal system. No xorg or anything. After I build and install the system, can I build other packages afterwards using a package manager or something? (Not even sure if T2 has a package manager actually :-P) 22:47 < sepp_> there is Emerge-Pkg, that resolves deps (from the .cache files) 22:47 < sepp_> but that are 'maximal deps' 22:48 < n0yd_> So I can always add packages to a installed system? I'm just wondering if this is really worth proceeding with, or if I should just do another LFS build but this time using paco and alfs or something. 22:49 < sepp_> but if you know what you do you can say 'yeah, i know there is some optional gnome feature, but i dont like gnome, just shut up and do it' 22:49 < sepp_> has lfs a package manager? 22:50 < n0yd_> Using paco, yes. 22:50 < sepp_> that does what? 22:50 < n0yd_> My other thought was diy-linux and pacman. But this sounded like a more superb choice. 22:51 < n0yd_> Keeps track of installed tarballs, and allows for easy removal and such. I haven't looked into it much regarding it's full capabilities. 22:51 < sepp_> from paco.sf.net it sounds like what t2 does 22:52 < sepp_> you also get file list from preloaded libs and a way to remove packages later ... 22:53 < n0yd_> Hmm... 22:54 < sepp_> but no gtk gui ... 22:54 < n0yd_> I don't care about gui's. Especialy for pkg managers. 22:55 < n0yd_> Is there some documentation explaining these templates, as far as contents, and how to apply them. I guess the problem I'm having right now mainly is this documentation is quite bland, for a newcomer, it doesn't go into much detail about the flexibility of T2. 22:59 < sepp_> you saw the handbook? 22:59 < n0yd_> That's what I'm reading. 22:59 < kic-> hrm 23:00 < n0yd_> http://www.t2-project.org/handbook/html/t2-book.htm 23:00 < sepp_> yes 23:00 < kic-> wow 23:00 < n0yd_> It shows how to build a system, but doesn't explain much regarding customization along the way. 23:00 < kic-> i486 build of xorg-server failed 23:00 < kic-> :D 23:00 < kic-> on renderedge.lo 23:00 < kic-> woot 23:00 < sepp_> well, oss, no one gets payed enough to write a good documentation :/ 23:01 < sepp_> but you can ask here 23:01 < kic-> lol, looks like its failing from bad syntax in the code?! 23:01 < kic-> heh 23:02 < kic-> picturestr.h:657: error: expected ')' before 'pid' 23:02 < kic-> picturestr.h:668: error: expected ')' before 'pid' 23:02 < kic-> make[1]: *** [renderedge.lo] Error 1 23:02 < sepp_> hi kic- 23:02 < kic-> hiya sepp 23:02 < n0yd_> sepp_: True to an extent, I suppose. I've seen some good FOSS documentaion though. (LFS, Gentoo, for example) 23:03 < n0yd_> Although compared to ROCK, I'd say T2 is a bit better in the docs department. ;) 23:08 < sepp_> hehe 23:10 < sepp_> 100 years ago i used rock 23:10 < sepp_> or so 23:18 -!- n0yd_ [n=harbl@pdpc/active/archlinux.user.n0yd] has left #t2 [] 23:26 -!- write_erase [n=olivier@vaio.aixmarseille.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] --- Log closed Fri Sep 07 00:00:38 2007