--- Log opened Tue Nov 20 00:00:06 2007 00:40 < yokoy> rxr: hi rene, I will give you feedpack after building sope/ogo. thanks. 01:56 -!- emte [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has joined #T2 02:45 -!- Key_Gena [i=lok@gateway/tor/x-81fc9c4ee99498dc] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:56 -!- emte [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:59 -!- emte [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has joined #T2 03:02 -!- emte [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:08 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e178127243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:13 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e178127243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 03:28 -!- Key_Gena [i=lok@gateway/tor/x-f5e64a91be27d520] has joined #t2 04:10 -!- emte [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has joined #T2 04:15 -!- mqueiros_ [n=mqueiros@c-217-70-68-3.bragatel.pt] has quit [] 04:28 -!- unleaded [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has joined #T2 04:29 -!- emte [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:05 -!- yokoy_ [n=yokoy@e178103067.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 05:06 -!- Key_Gena [i=lok@gateway/tor/x-f5e64a91be27d520] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:19 -!- unleaded [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:19 -!- yokoy [n=yokoy@e178127243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:20 -!- emte [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has joined #T2 05:28 -!- Key_Gena [i=lok@gateway/tor/x-f58c97e64ff76f29] has joined #t2 07:08 -!- pennyk_ [n=pennyk_@58.49.228.115] has joined #t2 07:29 -!- Enqlave [n=stealth@sourcemage/guru/stealth] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:03 -!- emte [n=emte@66.183.8.167] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:07 -!- Ragnarin is now known as Ragnar|away 09:53 < rxr> re 09:53 < rxr> yokoy_: I did not looked at ogo, only the general GNUstep work fixed sope, so ogo might still fail 10:07 < CIA-12> rene * r26955 /trunk/package/perl/perl-mime-types/perl-mime-types.desc: * updated perl-mime-types (1.21 -> 1.22) 10:07 < CIA-12> rene * r26956 /trunk/package/perl/perl-xml-parser/perl-xml-parser.desc: * updated perl-xml-parser (2.34 -> 2.35) 10:07 < CIA-12> rene * r26957 /trunk/package/perl/perl-io-zlib/perl-io-zlib.desc: * updated perl-io-zlib (1.07 -> 1.08) 10:12 < CIA-12> rene * r26958 /trunk/package/graphic/jhead/jhead.desc: * updated jhead (2.7 -> 2.8) 10:21 < CIA-12> rene * r26959 /trunk/package/gnustep/addresses/ (addresses.conf compile.patch): * fixed gnustep/addresses to compile again 10:23 < CIA-12> rene * r26960 /trunk/package/gnustep/etoile/ (6 files): * added etoile (0.4.0) - A document-centric desktop and post-desktop environment 10:23 < CIA-12> rene * r26961 /trunk/package/gnustep/cenon/ (. cenon.cache cenon.desc): * added cenon (3.82) - A vector graphics tool for GNUstep 10:24 < CIA-12> rene * r26962 /trunk/package/gnustep/emacs-app/emacs-app.desc: * changed emacs-app build priority (126.100 -> 200.300), to build after the gnustep packages 10:58 -!- Negher [n=negher@217.12.176.10] has joined #T2 11:18 < CIA-12> rene * r26963 /trunk/package/editors/zile/zile.desc: * updated zile (2.2.50 -> 2.2.52) 11:21 < rxr> omg: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/99266 11:21 -!- Dallur [n=earl@fgfw.basis.is] has joined #t2 11:23 [Users #t2] 11:23 [@ChanServ] [ Cyda ] [ Key_Gena] [ pennyk_ ] [ TobiX ] 11:23 [ CIA-12 ] [ Dallur] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnar|away] [ valentin] 11:23 [ Codex ] [ dsoul ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ yokoy_ ] 11:23 [ crazy ] [ Fatal ] [ Negher ] [ sepp ] 11:23 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 11:54 < CIA-12> rene * r26964 /trunk/package/editors/emacs/emacs.conf: 11:54 < CIA-12> * build emacs with gtk by default, as the other x-toolkit variants 11:54 < CIA-12> do not display utf-8 in the user-interface elements properly 11:54 < CIA-12> (if someone wants a athena, motif emacs we could make this an 11:54 < CIA-12> config option, aside targets can pass explicit configure options 11:54 < CIA-12> in any case) 12:34 -!- Baldzius [n=Baldzius@87.198.192.226] has joined #t2 12:34 < Baldzius> moin 12:35 < rxr> moin Baldzius 12:35 < Baldzius> hi rxr 12:37 < rxr> Baldzius: http://research.eeye.com/html/advisories/published/AD20071115.html 12:39 < Baldzius> yeah, afair we are not affected 12:39 < rxr> ah - ok - already in 7.0 12:41 < Baldzius> merged almost month ago :) 12:41 -!- Enqlave [n=stealth@sourcemage/guru/stealth] has joined #t2 12:44 < CIA-12> aldas * r26965 /branches/7.0/package/mail/thunderbird/thunderbird.desc: 12:44 < CIA-12> * merged r26890 from trunk to branches/7.0: 12:44 < CIA-12> updated thunderbird (2.0.0.6 -> 2.0.0.9) 12:46 < rxr> Baldzius: sorry, it just scrolled by on http://slashdot.org ... 12:46 < Baldzius> np :) 12:50 < CIA-12> rene * r26966 /trunk/package/base/atop/ (atop.desc segfault.patch): * updated atop (1.21 -> 1.22), segfault patch was merged upstream 13:35 < CIA-12> rene * r26967 /trunk/package/filesystem/ntfs-3g/ntfs-3g.desc: * updated ntfs-3g (1.1104 -> 1.1120) 13:59 < CIA-12> rene * r26968 /trunk/package/mail/pantomime/pantomime.desc: 13:59 < CIA-12> * adapted pantomime for latest GNUstep prefix changes, by sourcing 13:59 < CIA-12> the know common gnustep-conf.in 14:05 -!- Baldzius [n=Baldzius@87.198.192.226] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:19 < CIA-12> rene * r26969 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-i740/xf86-video-i740.desc: * fixed numeric, model number typo in xf86-video-i740.desc Text tag 14:57 < CIA-12> rene * r26970 /trunk/package/base/linux26/sparc64-hang.patch: 14:57 < CIA-12> * removed obsolete linux26/sparc64-hang.patch as it was incooperated 14:57 < CIA-12> upstream in 2.6.23.2 15:37 < CIA-12> rene * r26971 /trunk/package/network/cfengine/cfengine.desc: * marked cfengine NOPARALLEL 15:50 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@Z6d2b.z.pppool.de] has joined #t2 15:50 [Users #t2] 15:50 [@ChanServ] [ Cyda ] [ Fatal ] [ Negher ] [ sepp ] [ yokoy_] 15:50 [ CIA-12 ] [ Dallur ] [ Key_Gena] [ pennyk_ ] [ sepp_ ] 15:50 [ Codex ] [ dsoul ] [ LMJ ] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX ] 15:50 [ crazy ] [ Enqlave] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 15:50 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 21 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 16:11 -!- sepp [n=sepp@Z51a5.z.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:34 -!- Negher [n=negher@217.12.176.10] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:49 -!- Negher [n=negher@217.12.176.10] has joined #T2 17:06 -!- Negher [n=negher@217.12.176.10] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:11 -!- pennyk_ [n=pennyk_@58.49.228.115] has left #t2 [] 18:27 < yokoy_> hello 18:28 < yokoy_> rxr: sope is fine. ogo not, as you mentioned. 18:28 < yokoy_> Creating /opt/ogo/<..> if required ... 18:28 < yokoy_> Running ./configure --prefix=/opt/ogo --gsmake=/usr/System 18:28 < yokoy_> error: specified GNUstep make tree does not exist: /usr/System 18:33 < rxr> ok - that is an easy one 18:33 < rxr> --gsmake=/$(pkgprefix gnustep-make)/System 18:33 < rxr> I commit that 18:33 < rxr> so you can test 18:35 < CIA-12> rene * r26973 /trunk/package/office/opengroupware/opengroupware.conf: 18:35 < CIA-12> * fixed opengroupware to look up where gnustep-make is installed, 18:35 < CIA-12> instead of a static, hardcoded path that is not the default, anymore 19:19 -!- mqueiros_ [n=mqueiros@c-217-70-68-246.bragatel.pt] has joined #t2 19:43 < yokoy_> rxr: that fixed the bug but another turned up. 19:43 < yokoy_> maybe it is not in the beta as used in t2... 19:43 < yokoy_> anyhow, I send you the log. 20:17 -!- tri [n=tri@p57AD9BD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 20:18 < tri> moin 20:24 < yokoy_> hi tri 20:42 < tri> ho yokoy_ how are you ? 20:43 < tri> ping rxr 20:45 < rxr> hi 20:49 < tri> i have updated the kernel-headers without problems 20:49 < rxr> good to hear :-) 20:49 < rxr> which target did you build ? 20:49 < tri> all my stuff runs pretty fine :-) 20:49 < rxr> great 20:49 < tri> generic + basic desktop 20:49 < rxr> I also have one case where the newer headers would be handy, namely the xf86-video-ps3 which needs an up-to-date and patched ps3fb.h or so header 20:50 < rxr> (though I could patch that into the olders headers as well .-) 20:50 < tri> hm my problem was the iwlwifi package, wasn't it (?) 20:50 < rxr> when the current reference build finished (restarted yesterday or so) I can do a full (all packages) build on our 8-core ... 20:50 < tri> cool :-) 20:51 < tri> only packages which wasn't build were elilo and lilo 20:51 < rxr> ok - that are known regresions these days 20:51 < rxr> I have them on my must-fix-soon list 20:51 < tri> and i removed the sparc*.patches and the atomic and the avr32 patch from the kernel-headers package 20:51 < rxr> actually I have 230 nodes in just my t2/trunk basket (http://t2-project.org/packages/basket.html) 20:52 < Ragnar|away> rxr: could we have some option to use the latest stable kernel instead of the latest development one? 20:52 < tri> yes, both options would be a nice feature 20:52 < rxr> Ragnar|away: how do you define stable? 20:52 < Ragnar|away> 2.6.22.* atm 20:52 < rxr> I thought we rae on the lastest stablein trunk :-) 20:52 < tri> the last stable kernel like on kernel.org 20:52 < rxr> aren't we ? 20:52 < Ragnar|away> we're using 2.6.23.* 20:53 < rxr> yeah - that is table 20:53 < rxr> unless you define stable as (current upstream stable - one (1)) 20:53 < tri> hm right 20:53 < tri> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:  2.6.23.8 20:53 < Ragnar|away> hm :p 20:53 < rxr> we have more conservative (stable? :-) series in the 7.0 and 6.0 branches :-))) 20:54 < tri> i also missed that... :-) 20:54 < tri> the last stable linux kernel is only a few hours old ? 20:54 < Ragnar|away> it's hard to get stuff like vserver and grsec working since the kernel moves too fast 20:54 < tri> yesterday i read about the new "redhat server" - they are now at 2.6 :-) 20:55 < rxr> tri: they relase those .y minior patches these days 20:55 < rxr> the base 2.6.23 is some weeks old 20:55 < Ragnar|away> I thought the new release scheme would be even sub-versions for stable, odd for development and including new features ... 2.6.23 is obviously the latter 20:55 < rxr> Ragnar|away: yeah I know from vserver 20:55 < rxr> I (have to) use 2.6.18 on our 8-core due that 20:56 < rxr> however, 6.0 and 7.0 are not really increased in their major version, so you could be saver staying on that 20:56 < tri> does someone of you have experince with scsi luns in the actual kernel ? scsi multipathing is fully supported these days ? 20:56 < Ragnar|away> vserver and grsec patch seem to work fine with 2.6.22.12 20:57 < rxr> tri: no recent SCSI contact, aside the older Sun boxes ... 20:57 < tri> hm for vserver it would be ok to use t2 7.0 ? 20:59 < tri> ok, time to fix my mailserver/dns problem... 20:59 < rxr> tri: vserver integration is not yet complete in T2 20:59 < rxr> tri: I first quick added it on some fair, and only started to use it recently 20:59 < rxr> ah sorry 21:00 < rxr> wrong 21:00 < rxr> vserver is fine 21:00 < rxr> (though I never used it) 21:00 < rxr> I was talking about openvz ... 21:00 < tri> you might mean xen ? 21:00 < rxr> no, openvz :-) 21:00 < rxr> openvz and xen support in T2 is not complete and requieres a little manual intervention 21:00 < rxr> I plan to finalize that sometime - patches welcome 21:01 < rxr> there are just sooo many container, virtualizer and hypervisors out there these days 21:01 < tri> yeah, it is a hell 21:03 < tri> even somedays we also might be virtualizised or our salary :-) 21:06 < rxr> yeah - some ovely speaking neuronal nets ... 21:07 < rxr> my name is iProgrammer please assign me a task :-) 21:09 < tri> ah yeah some day everything will be virtual and named i* :-) 21:10 < rxr> yeah - we should invest in iApple :-) 21:12 < tri> hm is ajaxterm in the packagematrix - would be a cool package :-) 21:12 < tri> http://antony.lesuisse.org/qweb/trac/wiki/AjaxTerm 21:29 < rxr> those web packages are usually not that handy to package - we do not have many of those 21:29 < rxr> I think not even typo3 21:29 < rxr> how would you package it? where should it install to ? 21:32 < tri> hm ajaxterm just looks like filecopy and tar... 21:32 < tri> would be a special conf script 21:32 < rxr> yeah - but where should it be copied into? 21:32 < rxr> /srv/www ? 21:33 < tri> hm yes this is a problem hm 21:33 < rxr> well - we could have a www space config option 21:33 < rxr> defaulting to either /srv/www or the old-skool /var/www(whatever it was) and copy those packages into that directory :-) ? 21:34 < tri> var/www isn't the right path anymore ? 21:34 < rxr> FHS introduced this /srv top-level directories some years ago 21:34 < rxr> first my reaction was WTF!?!?!?!! 21:35 < rxr> but in the last years I adapted to it and start to like it 21:35 < rxr> like srv/org.t2-project.www srv/de.exactcode.www srv/de.exactcode.mail etc, pp. 21:35 < tri> hm - i don't see much distributions use /srv ? 21:35 < rxr> and no, lovely skriptkiddies, that are not the production pathes on my server, thank you .-) 21:36 < tri> :-) 21:36 < rxr> well - /srv should be there - but probably empty 21:36 < rxr> maybe the apache uses like /var/lib/htdocs or so 21:36 < rxr> , but this does not scale for more than once site 21:36 < rxr> most "hosting more than one site" admins probably configure their sites up in the way above 21:38 < rxr> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM 21:39 < rxr> on all new sites we use the layout 21:39 < rxr> www.exactcode and www.t2-project are form the time before and on other arcane servers and locations ... 21:39 * tri is a postfix god 21:39 < tri> i'm able to send mails, again :-) 21:40 < rxr> oh 21:40 < rxr> and receive, too? 21:40 < rxr> you could resubscribe to the t2 list then :-) 21:41 < tri> yeah i even receive mails now again :-) 21:41 < tri> i missed that spam so much... 21:42 < tri> hm i never ever used /srv... some days ago i did something where with the deamontools but it's while ago :-) 21:46 < tri> wuuh even imaps works :-( 21:46 < tri> ah :-) 21:54 < tri> hm the /srv idea isn't that bad :-) 21:55 < tri> i might use it next time 21:58 < rxr> re 22:07 -!- tri [n=tri@p57AD9BD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:09 < yokoy_> hm, branch 7.0, are there known issues about xf86-video-amd? 22:10 < yokoy_> Running make -j2 CPP=cpp CXX=g++ prefix=/usr/X11R7 22:10 < yokoy_> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. 22:14 -!- tri [n=tri@p57AD9BD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 22:14 < tri> re 22:35 < rxr> yokoy_: yes 22:35 < rxr> yokoy_: there are - you need to run /etc/postinstall.d/automake or so first 22:36 < rxr> because otherwise the configure.* exapnsion does not find the xorg uitil macros 22:36 < rxr> this affects all xorg drivers built from git 22:36 < rxr> I have not yet come up with a clean solution to make this work cleanly in a full-system build 22:36 < rxr> I only added those git drivers as nice to have 22:37 < rxr> and actually this -amd -nsc driver fork does only work on OLPC, not on our Geode based boards lingering around here 22:38 * rxr soon off home 22:42 < rxr> cu 22:51 < tri> gn8 22:51 -!- tri [n=tri@p57AD9BD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #t2 [] 23:17 -!- Key_Gena [i=lok@gateway/tor/x-f58c97e64ff76f29] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:29 -!- Key_Gena [i=lok@gateway/tor/x-919dc3a7ae1d97d7] has joined #t2 --- Log closed Wed Nov 21 00:00:07 2007