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05:28 < PiXeLStick> Hello
05:38 < PiXeLStick> Does T2 SDE make a good desktop too or mostly for cross-compiling?
05:39 < Ragnar|away> sure
05:40 < PiXeLStick> do you use it for a desktop?
05:40 < Ragnar|away> yea
05:41 < PiXeLStick> about how long does it take to get a full desktop having to compile everything?
05:42 < Ragnar|away> a while ...
05:42 < Ragnar|away> most of it selecting what you actually want/need
05:43 < PiXeLStick> i thought it would
05:43 < PiXeLStick> oh ok
05:43 < PiXeLStick> I was going to try the prebuilt first, but the server will net respond
05:43 < PiXeLStick> not
05:45 < Ragnar|away> give it a few days
05:45 < PiXeLStick> is that when the 8.0 will be released?
05:46 < PiXeLStick> or just maintenance?
05:47 < Ragnar|away> oh, dunno
05:47 < Ragnar|away> but the net has been bitchy for a few days, maybe that's one more result of that
05:47 < PiXeLStick> ok
05:47 < PiXeLStick> lol
05:48 < PiXeLStick> it looks like it would make a great distro for work, but I am not sure about it for home use
05:51 < PiXeLStick> Thanks, I'll try it out and see
05:52 < PiXeLStick> Did you go the complete compile or build off a prebuilt-based install?
05:54 < teatime07> hi guys, i tried to compile dietlibc based targets (embedded and rtbt) now and then for a couple of months, and it always fails on something
05:55 < teatime07> any experience with this?
05:56 < teatime07> most recently (today) it fails on binutils
06:18 < PiXeLStick> Is Enlightenmen 17 running well in T2?
06:18 < PiXeLStick> Enlightenment
06:18 < Ragnar|away> haven't tried it in a while
06:19 < PiXeLStick> Wasn't interested at first, but I keep hearing that it runs well.  Even under low resources
06:19 < Ragnar|away> comes from being able to select just what you need
06:20 < Ragnar|away> teatime07: I tried uclibc a while ago and it worked, kinda ...
06:22 < Ragnar|away> the problem is that those packages change quite frequently, and it always take some fine tuning to get then to work well again
06:22 < PiXeLStick> yeah, but even the eye candy works fairly well on things like the freerunner
06:22 < teatime07> Ragnar|away: i'll maybe try uclibc embedded tomorrow - last time i tried didn't get through with the compiling 
06:24 < teatime07> yea, i know they change a lot - but e.g. for the binutils today the problem was that somewhere in the .conf file was --enable-shared .. so the linker bailed out later on
06:25 < Ragnar|away> ya
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10:16 < rxr> moin
10:28 < Enqlave> moni
11:46 < |beowulf|> moin
12:11 < |beowulf|> why can't I select ssmtp as MTA in scripts/Config even though I added it to my package selection?
12:15 < rxr> maybe because it is not flagged to provide an MTA ...
12:15 < rxr> [F] MTA in the .desc
12:18 < |beowulf|> ah, now it's selectable
12:21 < |beowulf|> vim still pulls in X dependencies with no gui selected
12:23 < rxr> Emerge does nto know anywhting about those options and operates on the .cache dependencies
12:24 < rxr> in the future we want t add hints to it for runtime and optional depes
12:24 < |beowulf|> hmm
13:15 < |beowulf|> rxr: http://www.hawo.stw.uni-erlangen.de/~siflfran/qube.11.log <-- any idea what went wrong here?
13:16 < |beowulf|> hmm, looks like something is wrong with dependencies
13:16 < |beowulf|> checking for X11... configure: error: Package requirements (xextproto xtrans xau xcmiscproto bigreqsproto) were not met
13:37 < rxr> you now do want to build x11 ?
13:45 < |beowulf|> no, I don't want to but vim pulls it in
13:51 < rxr> -deps=none :_)
13:51 < |beowulf|> but in that case no missing dependencies would get installed?
13:53 < rxr> yes, the "ignore what is cached, i know what I want" mode
14:03 < |beowulf|> strange -- vim segfaults
14:05 < |beowulf|> checking for X11... configure: error: Package requirements (xextproto xtrans xau xcmiscproto bigreqsproto) were not met
14:06 < |beowulf|> gna
14:06 < |beowulf|> root@vilya:t2-7.0 [0]> scripts/Emerge-Pkg lcdutils
14:06 < |beowulf|> checking lcdutils ... Not installed. Added.
14:06 < |beowulf|> Packages scheduled to build: none
14:06 < |beowulf|> any idea why it doesn't schedule lcdutils?
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14:07 < Baldzius> moin
14:08 < |beowulf|> moin Baldzius 
14:08 < Baldzius> hey |beowulf|
14:14 < rxr> |beowulf|: it is not in your possible package list at all because it is marked as "MIPS" only ... ?
14:14 < rxr> that's the lcdutils.desc [R] line
14:15 < rxr> would it build on x86 ?
14:15 < |beowulf|> I just built it by hand
14:15 < |beowulf|> and it seems to work
14:17 < rxr> like configure ; amke
14:17 < rxr> or the "bare bone" Build-Pkg ?
14:17 < |beowulf|> like just calling make :)
14:18 < |beowulf|> it doesn't have a configure script
14:18 < rxr> can you check with Build-Pkg lcdutils ?
14:20 < |beowulf|> it fails
14:20 < |beowulf|> give me a moment...
14:22 < |beowulf|> ok, it builds
14:23 < |beowulf|> but it doesn't work
14:23 < |beowulf|> the version I built by hand works
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15:11 < |beowulf|> http://pastebin.com/d16635130 <-- any idea what this means? a missing dependency perhaps? on sourcemage linux it built just fine with gcc 4.2.3
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17:25 < rxr> |beowulf|: h
17:25 < rxr> mm
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17:26 < rxr> Baldzius: that is not a t2 package, it is?
17:27 < rxr> btw. can you paste the source of the lcdutils so I can take a look for an t2 package update etc. ?
17:40 < |beowulf|> rxr: no, it isn't
17:40 < |beowulf|> http://people.debian.org/~pm/mips-cobalt/ <-- I pulled the lcdutils sources from there
17:40 < |beowulf|> I didn't apply the lcd.status.patch.gz
17:49 < rxr> what is that you tried to build there, boxbackup ?
17:49 < |beowulf|> yes
17:49 < |beowulf|> http://www.boxbackup.org/install.html
17:49 < rxr> ok - when I'M done under OS X I'll take a look on those to under linux ...
17:50 < |beowulf|> or rather http://www.boxbackup.org/
17:50 < |beowulf|> thanks :)
17:50 < |beowulf|> I'm trying to compile it right now with two patches from gentoo
17:50 < |beowulf|> one fixes some incompatibility with gcc, so maybe that's it...
17:54 < |beowulf|> hm, that didn't fix it
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18:02 < rxr> re
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18:02 < CIA-53> rene * r28687 /trunk/architecture/share/kernel-common.conf.m4: 
18:02 < CIA-53> * enable CONFIG_PCI_MSI for the Linux kernel .config by default (if
18:02 < CIA-53>  possible) and moved CONFIG_PCI_NAMES to the other PCI related lines
18:22 < rxr> at least with gcc-4.3 this beast needs some fixes
18:23 < |beowulf|> I have gcc 4.2.2 on my box
18:23 < rxr> yeah - I know 4.3 is not yet in trunk
18:24 < rxr> I have it on my laptop, now, so I patch packages to build with it already
18:24 < rxr> but due to our cross build support the gcc package update as it requires some more work for all the many cross builds to actually work at all ... :-(((
18:30 < rxr> boxbackup built for me, only requiring the "usual" gcc-4.3 patchery ...
18:30 < CIA-53> rene * r28688 /trunk/package/filesystem/boxbackup/ (. boxbackup.cache boxbackup.conf boxbackup.desc gcc43.patch): * added boxbackup (0.10) - An online backup system for Unix
18:30 < rxr> can you check if that new t2 packag builds for you :-?
18:32 < rxr> hwo does lcdutils break in your t2 build? they build for me, even on x86-64
18:32 < rxr> == 18:32:09 =[9]=> Building mips/lcdutils [0.2 8.0-trunk].
18:32 < rxr> -> Parallel build using 2 jobs enabled.
18:32 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 0.00% cache hits so far.
18:32 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 0.00% (0 hits, 3 misses)
18:33 < rxr> == 04/13/08 18:32:17 =[9]=> Finished building package lcdutils.
18:34 < |beowulf|> hm
18:35 < |beowulf|> actually this time it built
18:35 < |beowulf|> strange
18:36 < rxr> indeed
18:36 < CIA-53> rene * r28689 /trunk/package/mips/lcdutils/lcdutils.desc: * marked lcdutils x86, likewise (apparently useful for the x86 based cubes, likewise)
18:36 < rxr> what's your CPUID? k6-2 something ?
18:41 < rxr> |beowulf|: was there something else pending I should fix ?
18:45 < |beowulf|> k6-3
18:45 < |beowulf|> and no, nothing else right now :)
18:48 < CIA-53> rene * r28690 /trunk/package/mips/lcdutils/ (lcdutils.conf lcdutils.desc makefile-useprefix.patch): 
18:48 < CIA-53> * cleaned up mips/lcdutils: patch DESTDIR/prefix to avoid the need of
18:48 < CIA-53>  custom .conf code, mark to build with dietlibc and cross
18:51 < |beowulf|> rxr: boxbackup will need init scripts for client and server
18:52 < rxr> |beowulf|: pach welcome :-)
18:52 < rxr> +t
18:52 < |beowulf|> ok :)
19:02 < |beowulf|> ok, it builds
19:09 < |beowulf|> is there any documentation on init.d files?
19:15 < rxr> I fear not
19:15 < rxr> if it is an easy one copy like exim or so
19:37 < |beowulf|> how do I make a package add a user?
19:51 < rxr> package/network/apache/postsysfiles.in 
19:51 < rxr> but that only works while initially building the sysfiles
19:52 < |beowulf|> that means it doesn't work during normal package installation?
19:53 < rxr> nope, right not it is not designed for that
19:53 < |beowulf|> so doing it during regular package installation is not possible?
19:53 < |beowulf|> too bad...
19:53 < rxr> yeah
19:53 < rxr> ideas welcoem
19:54 < rxr> but most' admins prefer to have control over their /etc/{passwd,shadow} file, won't they ?
19:58 < |beowulf|> sourcemage does it like this in INSTALL:
19:58 < |beowulf|> create_group    plugdev                                                         &&
19:58 < |beowulf|> create_account  ivman                                                           &&
19:58 < |beowulf|> but accounts do not get removed during deinstallation and it doesn't even warn that there are accounts lying around that aren't needed anymore
19:59 < |beowulf|> FreeBSD's ports remind the user that there are accounts lying around if a port that created an account gets removed
19:59 < |beowulf|> don't know how gentoo handles this
20:03 < rxr> how do you like t2 so far ?
20:04 < |beowulf|> it's quite nice and it has a feature I haven't seen in any other distribution: creating a custom distribution from scratch
20:04 < |beowulf|> but I think there is still work to be done :)
20:05 < |beowulf|> I've decided to use it on the qube :)
20:06 < rxr> yeah - some single package user installation pathes could definetly be a little smoother :-)
20:09 < |beowulf|> I think t2 needs a lot more documentation
20:12 < rxr> (patches welcome :_)
20:13 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2-handbook/trunk/
20:14 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/www-t2/trunk/
20:14 < |beowulf|> documentation should be written by those creating the thing being documented ;)
20:14 < rxr> yeah - but hints or discovered stuff is welcome notheless :-)
20:15 < |beowulf|> :)
20:15 < rxr> (and I already wrote so much of it :-)
20:15 < rxr> which parts did you mostly read? homepage or book?
20:16 < rxr> (or external sites?)
20:16 < |beowulf|> mostly the homepage
20:17 < |beowulf|> and the part of the book that's about package managment
20:17 < |beowulf|> the rest wasn't too different from other distributions
20:22 < CIA-53> rene * r28691 /trunk/package/kde/kdelibs/ (config.hlp config.in kde-conf.in kdelibs.conf): 
20:22 < CIA-53> * further kde3 -> kde4 adaption (variable rename, one more
20:22 < CIA-53>  default prefix fallback directory rename, removal of no
20:22 < CIA-53>  longer existing options, ...)
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21:20 < CIA-53> rene * r28692 /trunk/package/kde/qt4/aliasing.patch: * imported Fedora Core patch for qt4 aliasing problems with latest GCC's
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23:44 < CIA-53> rene * r28693 /trunk/package/base/automake/automake.conf: 
23:44 < CIA-53> * reimplemented automake symlink fixup for multi digit minor
23:44 < CIA-53>  version numbers of the automake package
23:47 < CIA-53> rene * r28694 /trunk/package/base/recode/gcc43.patch: * fixed recode for gcc-4.3
23:49 < rxr> hm - I wonder how healty it si that I have 344 working copy modifications on my 8-way auto-builder and 128 on my laptop, ... :-(
23:58 < CIA-53> rene * r28695 /trunk/package/x11/mesa-demos/mesa-demos.conf: 
23:58 < CIA-53> * removed explicit injection of -lstdc++ in mesa-demos (aside that it
23:58 < CIA-53>  is not necessary the days on my systems it appears to cause problems
23:58 < CIA-53>  when multiple, copatibility variants are installed)
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