T2 IRC Log: 2008-04-19

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--- Log opened Sat Apr 19 00:00:59 2008
00:12 < |beowulf|> rxr: if I compile vim without support for gpm it works just fine
00:12 < |beowulf|> so maybe gpm should be an optional dependency
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07:57 < Baldzius> moin
09:15 < CIA-53> aldas * r28736 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (0.9.59 -> 0.9.60)
09:15 < CIA-53> aldas * r28737 /trunk/package/develop/scons/scons.desc: * updated scons (0.98.0 -> 0.98.1)
09:17 < CIA-53> aldas * r28738 /trunk/package/mail/claws-mail/claws-mail.desc: * updated claws-mail (3.3.1 -> 3.4.0)
11:06 < CIA-53> rene * r28739 /trunk/package/filesystem/boxbackup/boxbackup.desc: * updated boxbackup Url tag
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14:21 < Baldzius> rxr: ping
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14:32 < Baldzius> ok, false alarm :)
14:32 < Baldzius> sorry
14:34 < Baldzius> r25076 * sysvinit: add /sbin to the PATH in /sbin/init.d/system. fsck among others is in /sbin and wasn't found
14:34 < Baldzius> i think we need to merge it to 7.0 as i just had an issue
14:36 < Baldzius> hm, strange
14:36 < Baldzius> it's already there
14:36 < Baldzius> oh g*
14:37 < Baldzius> ok i mixed all up
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16:19 < rxr> re
16:23 < Baldzius> hi rxr
16:28 < rxr> hey Baldzius
16:56 < CIA-4> aldas * r28740 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-radeonhd/xf86-video-radeonhd.desc: * updated xf86-video-radeonhd (1.1.0 -> 1.2.1)
16:58 < CIA-4> aldas * r28741 /trunk/package/base/autoconf/autoconf.desc: * updated autoconf (2.61 -> 2.62)
17:01 < CIA-4> aldas * r28742 /trunk/package/base/gawk/gawk.conf: * fixed gawk to compile with the latest autoconf
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17:16 < CIA-4> rene * r28743 /trunk/package/gnome2/glade3/glade3.desc: * updated glade3 (3.4.3 -> 3.4.4)
17:16 < CIA-4> rene * r28744 /trunk/package/network/lftp/lftp.desc: * updated lftp (3.7.0 -> 3.7.1)
17:16 < CIA-4> rene * r28745 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-vmware/xf86-video-vmware.desc: * updated xf86-video-vmware (10.16.0 -> 10.16.1)
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18:29 [Users #t2]
18:29 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-4 ] [ Enqlave ] [ Ragnar|away] [ TobiX ]
18:29 [ __init__] [ Dallur] [ LMJ ] [ rxr ] [ valentin ]
18:29 [ axionix ] [ dsoul ] [ mqueiros_] [ sparc-kly ] [ |beowulf|]
18:29 [ Baldzius] [ elias`] [ mtr ] [ tfl0pz ]
18:29 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
18:59 < rxr> Dodeca-core: The Megahertz Race is Now Officially the Multi-core Race
18:59 < rxr> AMD engineers reveal details about the company's upcoming 45nm processor roadmap, including plans for 12-core processors
18:59 < rxr> http://www.dailytech.com/Dodecacore The Megahertz Race is Now Officially the Multicore Race/article11531.htm
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19:40 < magas> hello
19:51 < Baldzius> hi magas
19:51 < Baldzius> how are things in lithuania? :)
19:51 < magas> :)
19:53 < magas> mai inglish is very bad
19:53 < magas> :)
19:54 < magas> i have a question - how i can remove docs and manpages from my image ?
19:54 < Baldzius> maybe german is better? :)
19:54 < magas> i need to reduce image size
19:54 < magas> Je parle francais asses bien
19:55 < Baldzius> regarding the question: i don't think i can help
19:56 < Baldzius> we don't split manuals from the package
19:56 < magas> i need image for embedded system with lighttpd, php ant sqlite < 64 Mb size
19:57 < magas> now i have 1.4 Mb image :)
19:57 < magas> 1.4Gb*
19:57 < magas> i compiled image with openembedded and t2
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19:57 < magas> openembedded size is ~ 70 Mb
19:58 < magas> t2 - 1.4 Gb
19:58 < Baldzius> hm, which target you've used?
19:58 < Baldzius> you get bigger that the desktop
19:58 < magas> generic
19:59 < magas> default, generic
19:59 < magas> usr/share is very large
20:00 < magas> root@devel:/home/virgis/t2-7.0-rc2# du -h --max-depth=1 build/default-7.0-rc2-generic-x86-pentium-m/
20:00 < magas> 1.4G build/default-7.0-rc2-generic-x86-pentium-m/
20:00 < magas> 529M build/default-7.0-rc2-generic-x86-pentium-m/usr
20:00 < magas> my problem is /usr directory
20:00 < magas> now i compile embedded target
20:05 < magas> on openembedded i did bitbake bootstrape-image , and i get ~ 40 Mb image
20:07 < Baldzius> can't help a lot as i've never done anything regardin embedd
20:09 < magas> maybe i dont't need embedded, but i need small size image
20:10 < magas> on openembedded i use glibc, not uclibc, but size is acceptable
20:11 < magas> but i don't like openembedded build system :)
20:11 < magas> Baldzius: are you developper of t2 ?
20:12 < Baldzius> i've never used generic+minimal template selection before but i guess it should be small enough
20:12 < Baldzius> sort of :)
20:13 < magas> can i remove TOOLCHAIN
20:14 < magas> ?
20:14 < magas> == 21:10:40 =[1]=> Building perl/perl [5.8.8 7.0-rc2].
20:15 < magas> who needs perl on embedded system :)
20:15 < CIA-4> rene * r28746 /trunk/package/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
20:15 < CIA-4> * impored some years old firefox ppc64 patch, still applies to the
20:15 < CIA-4> whole familly, fixing seamonkey, firefox and thunderbird to not
20:15 < CIA-4> segfault, but actually start and apparently so far run on ppc64,
20:15 < CIA-4> by adding the necessary XPT assembly glue
20:16 < Baldzius> you can de-select the packages you don't want
20:16 < magas> i know, but it breaks dependencies
20:25 < CIA-4> aldas * r28747 /trunk/package/develop/commonc++/commonc++.desc: * updated commonc++ (1.6.1 -> 1.6.2)
20:28 < magas> naktimis dirbi ?
20:29 < Baldzius> is ko sprendi?
20:29 < magas> commitini patchus :)
20:29 < magas> sestadienis gi
20:30 < Baldzius> nu kaip ir ne naktis dar :)
20:30 < magas> 21.29
20:30 < Baldzius> -2
20:31 < magas> Airijoje tai taip
20:33 < Baldzius> kiek man zinoma uk irgi
20:37 < magas> gali man paaiskinti kelis t2 nuansus ?
20:38 < Baldzius> pabandysiu
20:40 < magas> sakykime programa X reikalauja kazkas-dev paketo. Tas paketas turi buti instaliuotas host sistemoje, ar jis pats parsisiuncia ji ir instaliuoja i build/blablabla kataloga ?
20:42 < magas> man neaisku, kodel taip issipucia sukompiliuotas build/kazkokia-sistema
20:45 < Baldzius> build/ jis neacpindi pacios sistemos nes jame sedi visi steidzai + sukompiliuoti paketai
20:45 < Baldzius> tau reikia sukurt iso
20:46 < magas> va kur suos pakastas
20:46 < magas> o butinai iso ?
20:46 < Baldzius> nebutinai
20:46 < magas> nes as sistema desiu i CF
20:46 < magas> desiu sistema ir i MBR ikisiu GRUB
20:46 < Baldzius> yra skriptukas kutis tikrai kelia i usb rakta
20:47 < Baldzius> tik nezinanu ar pries tai visgi reikia iso ar ne
20:47 < magas> man atrodo reikia
20:47 < Baldzius> as pats asmeniskai dazneusiai imu tik paciu paketus
20:47 < magas> maciau ta skriptika
20:47 < Baldzius> ir rankom keliu
20:47 < Baldzius> man irgi taip atrodo
20:47 < Baldzius> t2 paketai tai paprasti bzip2
20:47 < Baldzius> extraktini ir viskas
20:47 < magas> o kur jie pasideda ?
20:48 < Baldzius> build/your-system/TOOLCHAIN/pkgs
20:48 < magas> nes build kataloge as matau rootfs ir TOOLCHAIN
20:49 < Baldzius> rootfs dir?
20:49 < Baldzius> ar pati medi?
20:50 < magas> pats medis
20:50 < magas> man reikia perkelti visa medi i CF
20:51 < magas> du -h --max-depth=1 build/default-7.0-rc2-generic-x86-pentium-m/TOOLCHAIN/pkgs/
20:51 < magas> 315M build/default-7.0-rc2-generic-x86-pentium-m/TOOLCHAIN/pkgs/
20:51 < magas> 315 MB irgi labai daug
20:51 < Baldzius> nu joa
20:51 < magas> kaip bz2 suspsustam
20:51 < Baldzius> kiek paketu?
20:52 < magas> 135
20:52 < Baldzius> speju minimalas che
20:52 < magas> na taip
20:52 < magas> o dydis ziaurus
20:53 < Baldzius> nu jauciu visokie glibc gcc
20:53 < magas> taip
20:53 < Baldzius> kas ten dar gali but didelis baidykle
20:53 < magas> ir dar daug vietos uzima /usr/share/doc
20:53 < magas> nesupratau vienos vietos tik
20:53 < Baldzius> pas mum su docais prastokai
20:53 < Baldzius> neina juos taip paprastai ismest
20:53 < Baldzius> nebent rankom
20:53 < magas> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 56M 2008-04-19 19:02 vmlinux_2.6.21.7-dist
20:53 < magas> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.7M 2008-04-19 19:02 vmlinuz_2.6.21.7-dist
20:54 < Baldzius> tas pirmas ir man neaiskus
20:54 < Baldzius> drasiai trinu lauk
20:54 < Baldzius> niekad nebandzeu sito imidzo paskirties ishsiaiskint
20:55 < magas> 40M build/default-7.0-rc2-generic-x86-pentium-m/usr/share/doc
20:55 < magas> 37M build/default-7.0-rc2-generic-x86-pentium-m/usr/share/locale
20:55 < Baldzius> i builda taip as neziurecheu tiesiogiai
20:55 < Baldzius> nors dalis tiesos bus vistiek
20:55 < Baldzius> nes is ten paketas sukurtas ir buvo
20:56 < magas> bet kaip man medi perkelti i CF
20:56 < magas> ir kad tilpu i 64 Mb
20:57 < magas> + prikompiliuoti lighttpd, php, sqlite, dvbtune ir getstream
20:57 < Baldzius> extraktint paketus kur nors laikinai
20:57 < Baldzius> ir jauciu rankom pratrint dokus
20:57 < Baldzius> kitu minciu kazkaip pas mane ner
20:57 < magas> blogai
20:58 < magas> nemegstu ranku darbo
20:58 < Baldzius> :)
20:58 < Baldzius> kas megsta
20:58 < Baldzius> bbz
20:58 < Baldzius> zaist reikia su configu
20:58 < Baldzius> tau reikia konkreciai minimal
20:59 < Baldzius> kiek macheu yra bootstrap templeitas
20:59 < Baldzius> tai gali mest paketus kokiu tau tik reikia
20:59 < Baldzius> bet darbo kaip suprantu bus nemazai
21:00 < magas> arba naudoti openembedded ...
21:00 < magas> -rw-r--r-- 1 virgis admin 22M 2008-04-17 18:38 iptv-image-x86-20080417153545.rootfs.jffs2
21:00 < magas> 22 Mb tik imagas gaunasi, be jokiu burtu
21:00 < Baldzius> arba
21:00 < Baldzius> nieko keisto jie ant to eina
21:01 < Baldzius> mes tokie labeu ale server and desktop
21:01 < magas> Together with the support for different compilers and space saving options like dietLibC and uClibC and optional, space-optimized utilities, T2 gives interesting perspectives for the development of embedded systems. With uClibC and dietLibC the creation of very small Linux systems that fit in just 2-4 MB of ROM and RAM is possible.
21:01 < Baldzius> a kam reikia egzotikos tai patys sedi
21:01 < Baldzius> nu che nebent rxr kazka islauze
21:01 < Baldzius> klausk jo
21:01 < Baldzius> jis pas mus dievas
21:02 < magas> :)
21:02 < magas> Dievas miega
21:02 < magas> turbut
21:02 < Baldzius> kad neseniai macheu commita padare
21:03 < magas> rxr: alive ?
21:03 < Baldzius> darbo dienom ji gan nesunku pasigaut
21:04 < Baldzius> i kokia che web kamera kisi ta linuxa?
21:04 < Baldzius> 64MB su ligty
21:05 < magas> ne kamera, IPTV streameris
21:05 < magas> transliuosiu i Airija Lt kanalus :D
21:06 < Baldzius> lol :)
21:06 < magas> o realiai per brangu butu
21:07 < magas> nes reikia 30 Mbps srauti is Lietuvos ir kokiu 1 Gbps pacioje airijoje
21:07 < Baldzius> pipec
21:07 < Baldzius> ne per zeuriai
21:07 < magas> aisku, jei transliuoti 3 kanalus, uztektu ir kokiu 3 Mbps, arba reikia demuxinti i mazesne kokybe
21:08 < magas> 1 skaitmeninis kanalas eina apie 2-3 Mbps
21:08 < magas> i Airija tektu unicastinti
21:08 < magas> o po to unicastinti kiekvienam ziurovui
21:08 < magas> 1 Gbps paveztu kokiu 250 uzeriu
21:09 < Baldzius> kazi ar tokie dalykai turi paklausa
21:09 < magas> na, po Vasato bajeriu :)
21:09 < magas> Viasat
21:09 < Baldzius> kazka girdejau
21:09 < magas> siaip Viasat turejo 10k abonentu Airijoje
21:10 < Baldzius> shikarna
21:10 < magas> kol spindulio nepakeite ir nepaliko be Lt TV
21:10 < Baldzius> man kazkaip airijos kanalu per akis :)
21:10 < Baldzius> regbi rodo kas yra afigitelna
21:10 < Baldzius> a ziuret i raudonus komunistu snukelius kazkaip nera noro
21:10 < magas> na, SkyUK ir as matau :)
21:11 < Baldzius> kam zuiret i tai nuo ko pabegai
21:11 < Baldzius> be pointo :)
21:11 < magas> http://www.tvcentras.com/
21:12 < magas> kazkas daro transliacija
21:12 < magas> aisku, viskas nelegalu
21:12 < Baldzius> apsaugok viespatie mane nuo to puslapio :)
21:13 < Baldzius> skambes gal zeuriai bet man kazkaip nuo tokiu dalyku vimdo
21:13 < Baldzius> jauciu alergija
21:13 < Baldzius> lietuvoj labai daug purvo
21:13 < Baldzius> ir ziniasklaida ta purva sklaido ishsivepus
21:14 < magas> o jau britu The Sun tai jau nesklaido :P
21:14 < Baldzius> pats neketini isvaziuot?
21:14 < Baldzius> ka neziuriu as tu pasiputeliu jokiu kanalu
21:14 < magas> ne, gyvenau 1.5 metu Prancuzijoje
21:14 < magas> mokiausi
21:14 < Baldzius> nepatiko?
21:14 < magas> ne
21:15 < Baldzius> svarbeusia kur gerai jauties
21:15 < Baldzius> jej gerai jauties lietuvoj - vadinas ten ir vieta
21:15 < magas> realiai as visur gerai jauciuosi :)
21:15 < Baldzius> nu sakei kad nepatiko
21:15 < Baldzius> kaip gali gerai jaustis jej nepatinka?
21:15 < magas> ta prasme nemaciau jokio skirtumo
21:16 < magas> ne tai kad nepatiko
21:16 < Baldzius> nu tai che jau ka skita
21:16 < magas> ten problema ne ka maziau
21:16 < Baldzius> problemu ju visur yra
21:16 < Baldzius> airijoj che irgi ne rojus
21:16 < Baldzius> pinigais is dangaus nelyja
21:16 < magas> be to, kai i tave ziuri kaip emigranta is rytu
21:16 < magas> bendravimas kitoks
21:16 < Baldzius> yep
21:17 < Baldzius> agree 100%
21:17 < magas> o Lietuvoje pereinamasis laikotarpis, todel galimybiu labai daug
21:17 < Baldzius> che ne taip akivaizdu bet apraisku yra
21:17 < magas> nisos neuzpildytos
21:17 < Baldzius> nu nzn gal but
21:17 < magas> rinka nera brandi, o auganti
21:17 < Baldzius> bet man nepatiko
21:17 < Baldzius> neradau as savo vietos
21:18 < Baldzius> negavau to ko norejau
21:18 < Baldzius> galimybes tobulet
21:18 < magas> o kurioje srityje norejai ?
21:18 < Baldzius> che kol kas einas normalei
21:18 < Baldzius> IT
21:18 < magas> o dabar linux kankini ?
21:19 < Baldzius> che jo bet darbe freebsd
21:19 < magas> adminas ar programeris ?
21:19 < Baldzius> admin
21:19 < magas> aisku
21:19 < magas> adminai.lt
21:19 < magas> maniskis :)
21:19 < Baldzius> kita savaite aplajinsiuos senior linux tech support eng
21:19 < Baldzius> turecheu pagal viska gaut
21:19 < Baldzius> bet kaip bus taip
21:19 < Baldzius> nesiskundziu ir dabartiniu
21:20 < Baldzius> girdetas man sitas saitas
21:21 < magas> system-admins.net irgi ten pat kreipia
21:21 < magas> kazkada Lt domenai 130 Lt kainavo :)
21:22 < Baldzius> o daba?
21:22 < magas> 29 Lt
21:22 < Baldzius> i eurus ishvertus isvis juokingai
21:24 < magas> kaip ir kiti panasus domenai
21:24 < magas> apie 10 euru
21:34 < magas> gerai, ryt uzsuksiu, gal bus gyvesniu
21:35 < magas> labanakt, tikiuosi liaudis nesupyks uz Lt kalba :)
21:35 < Baldzius> tikekimes
21:35 < Baldzius> dw
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22:12 < rxr> re
22:14 < rxr> oh - apparently I missed quite a nice discussion :-)
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