T2 IRC Log: 2008-04-28
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--- Log opened Mon Apr 28 00:00:08 2008
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07:16 < magas> hi
08:35 < magas> which devices must be created manualy in /dev ?
08:36 < rxr> re
08:37 < rxr> magas: depends on your system dev/{null,zero,console} + your storage if could be enough for minimal systems
08:38 < rxr> for ful features systems, with pseudo terminals etc. there are some more
08:38 < magas> /dev/tty or /dev/vc/1 ?
08:38 < rxr> however, these days few people use static nodes, but rather udev or others to create them dynamically from what is available fromthe kernel
08:38 < magas> rxr: can i ask some quoestions about t2 ?
08:38 < rxr> sure
08:39 < rxr> though I just got back to berlin and have some urgent stuff on my desk (as usual) so it might take more than some seconds to anser :_)
08:39 < rxr> answer
08:40 < magas> what options i need in config (Image with initrd, LiveCD, install CD etc) to make system bootable from CF ?
08:40 < magas> what i need to copy ? rootfs, initrd.img ?
08:40 < magas> now i get Unable to mount root, or unable to open vc/1 with initrd
08:41 < magas> i use grub as bootloader
08:42 < magas> where is true root fs ? /t2-trunk/build/full_kern-8.0-trunk-iptv-x86-i386-cross/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs/ or /t2-trunk/build/full_kern-8.0-trunk-iptv-x86-i386-cross/{bin,etc,lib etc}
08:55 < rxr> /t2-trunk/build/full_kern-8.0-trunk-iptv-x86-i386-cross/{bin,etc,lib,...} is the sandox where everythin is built
08:56 < rxr> /t2-trunk/build/full_kern-8.0-trunk-iptv-x86-i386-cross/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs/ is where images for livecd's and others are built from the initial sandbox, e.g. by filtering stuff away or compression etc.
09:00 < magas> /t2-trunk/build/full_kern-8.0-trunk-iptv-x86-i386-cross/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs/ - i have only when i choose Initial RAM disk
09:02 < magas> bash-3.2# ls build/livecd-8.0-trunk-iptv-x86-i386-cross/TOOLCHAIN/
09:02 < magas> initramfs isofs logs tools.cross
09:02 < magas> with LiveCD option
09:08 < CIA-4> rene * r28870 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/poppler.desc: * updated poppler (0.8.0 -> 0.8.1)
09:09 < CIA-4> rene * r28871 /trunk/package/network/aoetools/aoetools.desc: * updated aoetools (24 -> 25)
09:12 < rxr> with livecd option you get the squashfs
09:12 < rxr> livecd also works good on CF if you want to have it read-only and modifiations in RAM or a second partition
09:13 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/targets/live/overlays.html
09:13 < rxr> when it does not find device nodes you probably just have not built udev
09:15 < CIA-4> rene * r28872 /trunk/package/develop/gengetopt/gengetopt.desc: * updated gengetopt (2.22 -> 2.22.1)
09:15 < CIA-4> rene * r28873 /trunk/package/develop/uncrustify/uncrustify.desc: * updated uncrustify (0.45 -> 0.46)
09:16 < CIA-4> rene * r28875 /trunk/package/perl/perl-authen-sasl/perl-authen-sasl.desc: * updated perl-authen-sasl (2.10 -> 2.11)
09:16 < CIA-4> rene * r28874 /trunk/package/security/libgcrypt/libgcrypt.desc: * updated libgcrypt (1.4.0 -> 1.4.1)
09:16 < CIA-4> rene * r28876 /trunk/package/perl/perl-net-ldap/perl-net-ldap.desc: * updated perl-net-ldap (0.35 -> 0.36)
09:16 < CIA-4> rene * r28877 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-input-joystick/xf86-input-joystick.desc: * updated xf86-input-joystick (1.3.1 -> 1.3.2)
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09:33 < Baldzius> moin
09:47 < rxr> hi Baldzius
09:48 < CIA-4> rene * r28878 /trunk/package/www/uriparser/uriparser.desc: * updated uriparser (0.7.0 -> 0.7.1)
09:48 < Baldzius> hi rxr
09:48 < CIA-4> rene * r28879 /trunk/package/security/prelude-lml/prelude-lml.desc: * updated prelude-lml (0.9.11 -> 0.9.12.2)
09:48 < CIA-4> rene * r28880 /trunk/package/gnome2/libxklavier/libxklavier.desc: * updated libxklavier (3.5 -> 3.6)
09:48 < CIA-4> rene * r28881 /trunk/package/network/libzrtpcpp/libzrtpcpp.desc: * updated libzrtpcpp (0.9.2 -> 1.1.0)
09:48 < CIA-4> rene * r28882 /trunk/package/network/libupnp/libupnp.desc: * updated libupnp (1.6.5 -> 1.6.6)
09:48 < CIA-4> rene * r28883 /trunk/package/network/pound/pound.desc: * updated pound (2.4.1 -> 2.4.2)
09:53 < magas> rxr: where build put squashfs
09:53 < magas> image ?
09:57 < CIA-4> aldas * r28884 /trunk/package/database/mysql/mysql.desc: * updated mysql (5.0.51a -> 5.0.51b)
09:57 < CIA-4> aldas * r28885 /trunk/package/office/gnucash/gnucash.desc: * updated gnucash (2.2.4 -> 2.2.5)
10:04 < rxr> TOOLCHAIN/isofs or so
10:04 < CIA-4> rene * r28886 /trunk/package/perl/imager/imager.desc: * updated imager (0.63 -> 0.64)
10:05 < CIA-4> rene * r28887 /trunk/package/base/freeipmi/freeipmi.desc: * updated freeipmi (0.5.6 -> 0.6.1)
10:07 < CIA-4> rene * r28888 /trunk/package/scientific/octave/octave.desc: * updated octave (3.0.0 -> 3.0.1)
10:07 < CIA-4> rene * r28889 /trunk/package/base/ipmiutil/ipmiutil.desc: * updated ipmiutil (2.1.0 -> 2.1.1)
10:07 < CIA-4> rene * r28890 /trunk/package/python/pycurl/pycurl.desc: * updated pycurl (7.16.4 -> 7.18.1)
10:08 < CIA-4> rene * r28891 /trunk/package/develop/hte/hte.desc: * updated hte (2.0.12 -> 2.0.13)
11:00 < magas> rxr: tlx is ready ?
12:46 < CIA-4> aldas * r28892 /trunk/package/develop/cmake/cmake.desc: * updated cmake (2.4.7 -> 2.4.8)
12:51 < CIA-4> aldas * r28893 /trunk/package/network/mod_security/mod_security.desc: * updated mod_security (2.1.6 -> 2.1.7)
13:12 < magas> bash-3.2# ls build/mytlx-8.0-trunk-tlx-x86-i386-cross/TOOLCHAIN/isofs/
13:12 < magas> boot
13:12 < magas> isofs is empty
13:12 < magas> bash-3.2# ls build/mytlx-8.0-trunk-tlx-x86-i386-cross/TOOLCHAIN/
13:12 < magas> initramfs isofs logs tools.cross
13:13 < magas> it's a tlx build (livecd)
13:41 < magas> i compiled about 100 diferent t2 images, result - absolut zero
13:42 < magas> t2 not ready for production ? only for entuziasts ?
14:13 < rxr> yes
14:13 < rxr> you just try to do advanced thing without t2 experience ..
14:13 < rxr> or little teaks like starting udev in your custom builds to get device-nodes ..
14:15 < magas> i have about 9 years experience in Linux
14:16 < magas> i builded my own distro with LFS
14:17 < magas> and i think, that t2 is very very complicated, same as Windows :)
14:23 < magas> i have non working images even with default configuration
14:23 < magas> for example, t2 rescue
14:23 < magas> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-perl.out
14:23 < magas> !> from /usr/include/stdio.h:28,
14:23 < magas> !> from try.c:1:
14:23 < magas> !> /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory
14:23 < magas> !> *** WHOA THERE!!! ***
14:23 < magas> !> Your C compiler "gcc" doesn't seem to be working!
14:23 < magas> !> You'd better start hunting for one and let me know about it.
14:24 < magas> OS - T2 , target - default t2 rescue
14:31 < rxr> it is know that in trunk perl has a regression cross compiling in all configuration
14:31 < rxr> however, if you have images with the packages you want that just fali to mount the root device, why don't you just add udev or some static device nodes to that image and are done ?
14:33 < magas> dont't work
14:34 < magas> i added devices , compiled udev, udev start with init
14:36 < magas> i added zero, console, tty[1-10] /dev/vc{1,10}
14:36 < magas> i added udev
14:37 < magas> i compiled default kernel, i compiled my custom kernel
14:38 < magas> with almost all targets
14:38 < magas> nothing
14:40 < rxr> ok - how do you want your files resist on the CF and I setup the work-inprocess tlx target in such a way for you as documentation and T2 zine arcile for others to learn?
14:40 < rxr> some Unix FS or FAT?
14:40 < magas> ext2 ir ext3
14:40 < rxr> and udev or rather classic static nodes ?
14:40 < magas> udev
14:41 < magas> grub as bootloader
14:41 < rxr> and one partition, rw mounted ?
14:41 < rxr> or with some compressed image read-only mounted (squashfs et al.) ?
14:41 < magas> yes
14:41 < magas> not important
14:42 < magas> i only need godd example and working image
14:42 < rxr> ok - then I use read-write mount as normal systems are
14:42 < magas> good*
14:42 < rxr> as that is probably more natural for others to follow the example then ...
14:42 < magas> wchich image i need to boot - vmlinux or vmlinuz ?
14:45 < magas> i need only 1 thing - when i do Build-Target -cfg mystem, final result -minimal bootable system with populated /dev/ and sh
14:47 < magas> because now i'm very frustrated, disappointed etc
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14:56 [ axionix_] [ dsoul ] [ magas ] [ rxr ] [ |beowulf|]
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16:08 < CIA-4> mtr * r28894 /trunk/package/qt/qt-embedded/ (6 files): * added qt-embedded (4.4.0-rc1) - An application platform and user interface for Embedded Linux
16:18 < rxr> hi mtr
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16:56 < mtr> hey rxr :)
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17:35 < rxr> wb kic-
17:35 < kic-> hola :)
17:35 < kic-> how are things?
17:35 < rxr> great as usual, and self ?
17:36 < kic-> pretty good
17:36 < kic-> started new job on friday
17:36 < kic-> lots of nifty things happening
17:37 < kic-> afk a sec, printer problem
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20:43 < magas> rxr: my pkgsel file is : http://pastebin.com/m689bda46
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07:16 < magas> hi
08:35 < magas> which devices must be created manualy in /dev ?
08:36 < rxr> re
08:37 < rxr> magas: depends on your system dev/{null,zero,console} + your storage if could be enough for minimal systems
08:38 < rxr> for ful features systems, with pseudo terminals etc. there are some more
08:38 < magas> /dev/tty or /dev/vc/1 ?
08:38 < rxr> however, these days few people use static nodes, but rather udev or others to create them dynamically from what is available fromthe kernel
08:38 < magas> rxr: can i ask some quoestions about t2 ?
08:38 < rxr> sure
08:39 < rxr> though I just got back to berlin and have some urgent stuff on my desk (as usual) so it might take more than some seconds to anser :_)
08:39 < rxr> answer
08:40 < magas> what options i need in config (Image with initrd, LiveCD, install CD etc) to make system bootable from CF ?
08:40 < magas> what i need to copy ? rootfs, initrd.img ?
08:40 < magas> now i get Unable to mount root, or unable to open vc/1 with initrd
08:41 < magas> i use grub as bootloader
08:42 < magas> where is true root fs ? /t2-trunk/build/full_kern-8.0-trunk-iptv-x86-i386-cross/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs/ or /t2-trunk/build/full_kern-8.0-trunk-iptv-x86-i386-cross/{bin,etc,lib etc}
08:55 < rxr> /t2-trunk/build/full_kern-8.0-trunk-iptv-x86-i386-cross/{bin,etc,lib,...} is the sandox where everythin is built
08:56 < rxr> /t2-trunk/build/full_kern-8.0-trunk-iptv-x86-i386-cross/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs/ is where images for livecd's and others are built from the initial sandbox, e.g. by filtering stuff away or compression etc.
09:00 < magas> /t2-trunk/build/full_kern-8.0-trunk-iptv-x86-i386-cross/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs/ - i have only when i choose Initial RAM disk
09:02 < magas> bash-3.2# ls build/livecd-8.0-trunk-iptv-x86-i386-cross/TOOLCHAIN/
09:02 < magas> initramfs isofs logs tools.cross
09:02 < magas> with LiveCD option
09:08 < CIA-4> rene * r28870 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/poppler.desc: * updated poppler (0.8.0 -> 0.8.1)
09:09 < CIA-4> rene * r28871 /trunk/package/network/aoetools/aoetools.desc: * updated aoetools (24 -> 25)
09:12 < rxr> with livecd option you get the squashfs
09:12 < rxr> livecd also works good on CF if you want to have it read-only and modifiations in RAM or a second partition
09:13 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/targets/live/overlays.html
09:13 < rxr> when it does not find device nodes you probably just have not built udev
09:15 < CIA-4> rene * r28872 /trunk/package/develop/gengetopt/gengetopt.desc: * updated gengetopt (2.22 -> 2.22.1)
09:15 < CIA-4> rene * r28873 /trunk/package/develop/uncrustify/uncrustify.desc: * updated uncrustify (0.45 -> 0.46)
09:16 < CIA-4> rene * r28875 /trunk/package/perl/perl-authen-sasl/perl-authen-sasl.desc: * updated perl-authen-sasl (2.10 -> 2.11)
09:16 < CIA-4> rene * r28874 /trunk/package/security/libgcrypt/libgcrypt.desc: * updated libgcrypt (1.4.0 -> 1.4.1)
09:16 < CIA-4> rene * r28876 /trunk/package/perl/perl-net-ldap/perl-net-ldap.desc: * updated perl-net-ldap (0.35 -> 0.36)
09:16 < CIA-4> rene * r28877 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-input-joystick/xf86-input-joystick.desc: * updated xf86-input-joystick (1.3.1 -> 1.3.2)
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09:33 < Baldzius> moin
09:47 < rxr> hi Baldzius
09:48 < CIA-4> rene * r28878 /trunk/package/www/uriparser/uriparser.desc: * updated uriparser (0.7.0 -> 0.7.1)
09:48 < Baldzius> hi rxr
09:48 < CIA-4> rene * r28879 /trunk/package/security/prelude-lml/prelude-lml.desc: * updated prelude-lml (0.9.11 -> 0.9.12.2)
09:48 < CIA-4> rene * r28880 /trunk/package/gnome2/libxklavier/libxklavier.desc: * updated libxklavier (3.5 -> 3.6)
09:48 < CIA-4> rene * r28881 /trunk/package/network/libzrtpcpp/libzrtpcpp.desc: * updated libzrtpcpp (0.9.2 -> 1.1.0)
09:48 < CIA-4> rene * r28882 /trunk/package/network/libupnp/libupnp.desc: * updated libupnp (1.6.5 -> 1.6.6)
09:48 < CIA-4> rene * r28883 /trunk/package/network/pound/pound.desc: * updated pound (2.4.1 -> 2.4.2)
09:53 < magas> rxr: where build put squashfs
09:53 < magas> image ?
09:57 < CIA-4> aldas * r28884 /trunk/package/database/mysql/mysql.desc: * updated mysql (5.0.51a -> 5.0.51b)
09:57 < CIA-4> aldas * r28885 /trunk/package/office/gnucash/gnucash.desc: * updated gnucash (2.2.4 -> 2.2.5)
10:04 < rxr> TOOLCHAIN/isofs or so
10:04 < CIA-4> rene * r28886 /trunk/package/perl/imager/imager.desc: * updated imager (0.63 -> 0.64)
10:05 < CIA-4> rene * r28887 /trunk/package/base/freeipmi/freeipmi.desc: * updated freeipmi (0.5.6 -> 0.6.1)
10:07 < CIA-4> rene * r28888 /trunk/package/scientific/octave/octave.desc: * updated octave (3.0.0 -> 3.0.1)
10:07 < CIA-4> rene * r28889 /trunk/package/base/ipmiutil/ipmiutil.desc: * updated ipmiutil (2.1.0 -> 2.1.1)
10:07 < CIA-4> rene * r28890 /trunk/package/python/pycurl/pycurl.desc: * updated pycurl (7.16.4 -> 7.18.1)
10:08 < CIA-4> rene * r28891 /trunk/package/develop/hte/hte.desc: * updated hte (2.0.12 -> 2.0.13)
11:00 < magas> rxr: tlx is ready ?
12:46 < CIA-4> aldas * r28892 /trunk/package/develop/cmake/cmake.desc: * updated cmake (2.4.7 -> 2.4.8)
12:51 < CIA-4> aldas * r28893 /trunk/package/network/mod_security/mod_security.desc: * updated mod_security (2.1.6 -> 2.1.7)
13:12 < magas> bash-3.2# ls build/mytlx-8.0-trunk-tlx-x86-i386-cross/TOOLCHAIN/isofs/
13:12 < magas> boot
13:12 < magas> isofs is empty
13:12 < magas> bash-3.2# ls build/mytlx-8.0-trunk-tlx-x86-i386-cross/TOOLCHAIN/
13:12 < magas> initramfs isofs logs tools.cross
13:13 < magas> it's a tlx build (livecd)
13:41 < magas> i compiled about 100 diferent t2 images, result - absolut zero
13:42 < magas> t2 not ready for production ? only for entuziasts ?
14:13 < rxr> yes
14:13 < rxr> you just try to do advanced thing without t2 experience ..
14:13 < rxr> or little teaks like starting udev in your custom builds to get device-nodes ..
14:15 < magas> i have about 9 years experience in Linux
14:16 < magas> i builded my own distro with LFS
14:17 < magas> and i think, that t2 is very very complicated, same as Windows :)
14:23 < magas> i have non working images even with default configuration
14:23 < magas> for example, t2 rescue
14:23 < magas> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-perl.out
14:23 < magas> !> from /usr/include/stdio.h:28,
14:23 < magas> !> from try.c:1:
14:23 < magas> !> /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory
14:23 < magas> !> *** WHOA THERE!!! ***
14:23 < magas> !> Your C compiler "gcc" doesn't seem to be working!
14:23 < magas> !> You'd better start hunting for one and let me know about it.
14:24 < magas> OS - T2 , target - default t2 rescue
14:31 < rxr> it is know that in trunk perl has a regression cross compiling in all configuration
14:31 < rxr> however, if you have images with the packages you want that just fali to mount the root device, why don't you just add udev or some static device nodes to that image and are done ?
14:33 < magas> dont't work
14:34 < magas> i added devices , compiled udev, udev start with init
14:36 < magas> i added zero, console, tty[1-10] /dev/vc{1,10}
14:36 < magas> i added udev
14:37 < magas> i compiled default kernel, i compiled my custom kernel
14:38 < magas> with almost all targets
14:38 < magas> nothing
14:40 < rxr> ok - how do you want your files resist on the CF and I setup the work-inprocess tlx target in such a way for you as documentation and T2 zine arcile for others to learn?
14:40 < rxr> some Unix FS or FAT?
14:40 < magas> ext2 ir ext3
14:40 < rxr> and udev or rather classic static nodes ?
14:40 < magas> udev
14:41 < magas> grub as bootloader
14:41 < rxr> and one partition, rw mounted ?
14:41 < rxr> or with some compressed image read-only mounted (squashfs et al.) ?
14:41 < magas> yes
14:41 < magas> not important
14:42 < magas> i only need godd example and working image
14:42 < rxr> ok - then I use read-write mount as normal systems are
14:42 < magas> good*
14:42 < rxr> as that is probably more natural for others to follow the example then ...
14:42 < magas> wchich image i need to boot - vmlinux or vmlinuz ?
14:45 < magas> i need only 1 thing - when i do Build-Target -cfg mystem, final result -minimal bootable system with populated /dev/ and sh
14:47 < magas> because now i'm very frustrated, disappointed etc
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16:08 < CIA-4> mtr * r28894 /trunk/package/qt/qt-embedded/ (6 files): * added qt-embedded (4.4.0-rc1) - An application platform and user interface for Embedded Linux
16:18 < rxr> hi mtr
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16:56 < mtr> hey rxr :)
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17:35 < rxr> wb kic-
17:35 < kic-> hola :)
17:35 < kic-> how are things?
17:35 < rxr> great as usual, and self ?
17:36 < kic-> pretty good
17:36 < kic-> started new job on friday
17:36 < kic-> lots of nifty things happening
17:37 < kic-> afk a sec, printer problem
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20:43 < magas> rxr: my pkgsel file is : http://pastebin.com/m689bda46
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21:49 < kic-> back
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