T2 IRC Log: 2008-08-22
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--- Log opened Fri Aug 22 00:00:04 2008
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08:40 < rxr> moin
08:54 < CIA-5> rene * r30157 /branches/7.0/package/base/acl/install.patch:
08:54 < CIA-5> * fixed the acl package to not use cp, but install to install
08:54 < CIA-5> binaries, otherwise mangles shared libraries result in nearly
08:54 < CIA-5> every program on an libacl enabled system getting broken during
08:54 < CIA-5> a libacl rebuild
09:05 < rxr> oh - damn, that was already fixed in trunk
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09:47 < CIA-5> rene * r30158 /trunk/package/network/mtr/ (mtr.conf mtr.desc): * updated mtr (0.72 -> 0.74)
09:48 < CIA-5> rene * r30159 /trunk/package/filesystem/libburn/libburn.desc: * updated libburn (0.4.4 -> 0.5.2.pl00)
09:48 < CIA-5> rene * r30160 /trunk/package/base/mktemp/mktemp.desc: * updated mktemp (1.5 -> 1.6)
09:48 < CIA-5> rene * r30161 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.4.6 -> 2.4.7)
09:52 < CIA-5> rene * r30162 /trunk/package/filesystem/uif2iso/ (uif2iso.conf uif2iso.desc): * updated uif2iso (0.1.2 -> 0.1.6)
09:56 < CIA-5> rene * r30163 /branches/7.0/package/base/acl/ (install.patch install.patch):
09:56 < CIA-5> * replaced the r30157 acl/install.patch with the fix from trunk
09:56 < CIA-5> (same fix, just to have a bit-identical comment, etc.)
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10:11 < CIA-5> rene * r30164 /trunk/package/network/ccrtp/ccrtp.desc: * updated ccrtp (1.5.0 -> 1.6.2)
12:13 < CIA-5> rene * r30165 /trunk/package/network/madwifi/madwifi.desc:
12:13 < CIA-5> Adam Stirk:
12:13 < CIA-5> * updated madwifi (r3375 -> r3837)
12:13 < CIA-5> rene * r30166 /trunk/package/network/hostapd/hostapd.conf:
12:13 < CIA-5> Adam Stirk:
12:13 < CIA-5> * added madwifi support to hostapd
12:14 < CIA-5> rene * r30167 /trunk/package/develop/php/php.desc:
12:14 < CIA-5> Adam Stirk:
12:14 < CIA-5> * new php/phar file download
12:14 < CIA-5> rene * r30168 /trunk/package/network/openntpd/ (openntpd.init postsysfiles.in):
12:14 < CIA-5> Adam Stirk:
12:14 < CIA-5> * added openntpd user/group and init script
12:22 < CIA-5> rene * r30169 /trunk/package/network/linux-igd/ (5 files):
12:22 < CIA-5> Adam Stirk:
12:22 < CIA-5> * added linux-igd (2008-07-20) - Linux Internet Gateway Device
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13:43 < CIA-5> rene * r30170 /trunk/package/lua/lua/lua.desc: * updated lua (5.1.4-rc1 -> 5.1.4)
14:01 < CIA-5> rene * r30171 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/50-minimal-desktop.in:
14:01 < CIA-5> Martin Papadopoulos:
14:01 < CIA-5> * added python to minimal-desktop for libgsf
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15:32 < rxr> hi mpp & Cyda
15:32 < Cyda> hey rxr
15:33 < mpp> hey rxr
15:33 < mpp> hey cyda
15:34 < mpp> rxr could you pass me a build-target / config for your initramfs / xen you talked about ?
15:36 < rxr> I do not have a xen thing, just an other initrmfs target
15:36 < mpp> could you pass me that one
15:36 < rxr> I could create some example for the initrd, yes
15:36 < mpp> cause my images are far to big
15:36 < mpp> i used generic target
15:36 < mpp> with bootstrap selection
15:36 < rxr> that's probably too big to fit into the initrd
15:37 < mpp> but after unpacking the kernel hang cause it exhausted over 1 gig
15:37 < mpp> yep
15:37 < mpp> i am trying to build a rescue for pxe
15:37 < mpp> thats all
15:37 < rxr> have you tried using rescue as base? that's probably way tinier than the bootstrap selection
15:38 < mpp> yes but the rescue only suggests livecd
15:38 < mpp> should i manually change it to initramfs ?
15:38 < mpp> i mean in the target ?
15:38 < mpp> btw i now have dedicated server for building t2
15:38 < mpp> 24/7
15:38 < mpp> i really needed that one cause it's quiet cpu heavy
15:39 < rxr> yes, the manual change could work
15:39 < mpp> what did you choose for your initramfs ?
15:39 < mpp> or did you strip down a built target ?
15:40 < rxr> I have some custom target for a company
15:40 < mpp> ah -
15:40 < rxr> but I'll try the rescue in some minutes
15:40 < mpp> cool so do i
15:40 < rxr> we can also change the rescue target to offer a selection, whether to build a livecd or an initrd
15:40 < mpp> if it works
15:40 < mpp> thats the point i don't know
15:40 < rxr> (I just wire up livecd for the rescue target a year ago so it works out of the box and folks do not accidently build an install image .-)
15:41 < mpp> makes sence :-)
15:41 < rxr> you can also just remove the hardwiring from the rescue target and manually select initrd and give it a spin
15:41 < rxr> might already just work .-)
15:41 < rxr> the config fixing is in target/rscue/config.in
15:41 < mpp> i'll do so right know
15:41 < mpp> now
15:41 < mpp> yep .. found that some days ago
15:42 < mpp> but didn't have time cause i'm on project for several months now with a lot of travelling
15:42 < mpp> but now i'll stick around until tuesday
15:42 < rxr> :-)
15:44 < mpp> btw. i'll post the stuff related to the chrooting later on today ;-)
15:44 < mpp> i am grateful for t2
15:45 < mpp> as an intermediate skilled linuxer i relay on real pros
15:45 < mpp> big thanx !!!
15:45 < rxr> yw
15:54 < mpp> hey rxr . what script is called on a build process to create the initramfs file itself ?
15:55 < mpp> i could modify the rootfs before it is packed
15:55 < mpp> that way i could strip down a built target.
15:56 < mpp> if i recall correctly squashfs is also involved .. which i have no idea how it's used
15:56 < mpp> in the initram processing / building
16:05 < rxr> the output scripts are in target/share/*/
16:05 < rxr> squashfs is only used for livecd
16:15 < mpp> does it make sense to modify the embedded target for a pxe initramfs ?
16:15 < mpp> it's fairly small
16:17 < rxr> embedded includes some cross only stuff and is notoriosly harder to debug/track
16:17 < rxr> I would use rescue and go from there
16:17 < rxr> I hope I can commit the config switch for it in some seconds
16:19 < mpp> for 8.0-trunk or 7.0 ?
16:21 < rxr> trunk :-)
16:21 < rxr> aka "some day 8.0"
16:21 < rxr> so - done
16:21 < rxr> CIA info pending
16:21 < rxr> t2/trunk:HEAD results in a 73MB initrd for me
16:22 < mpp> i am running atm the modified rescue initramfs build
16:22 < rxr> if you stip out all the X fluff and co it will be significantly smaller :-)
16:22 < CIA-5> rene * r30172 /trunk/target/rescue/ (build.sh config.in): * allow choosing whether to build the rescue target as livecd or initrd
16:22 < mpp> i thought so
16:22 < mpp> cudos !
16:23 < rxr> btw, mpp & Cyda, new IRC log rendering: http://www.t2-project.org/irclogs/t2-2008-08-22.html
16:25 < mpp> nice :-)
16:26 < mpp> how is it done ?
16:26 < rxr> it's rendered by a CGIs cript, now
16:26 < mpp> it's really cute ?
16:26 < mpp> !
16:26 < rxr> in the past it was just a dumb file dump
16:26 < rxr> which looked ugly and had no site menu integration
16:26 < rxr> plain black on white text
16:26 < mpp> yea this is more eye candy
16:27 < mpp> web2.0 compatible ....
16:27 < mpp> or so
16:27 < rxr> now the people that randomly hit the logs thru google have a chance to explore the t2 website (without manually editing the URL field )
16:27 < mpp> whooo.
16:27 < mpp> you 're into pr stuff
16:28 < mpp> which is obviously a wise choice for your company !
16:28 < rxr> have been for some time now, already ...
16:28 < mpp> let google do the work
16:28 < rxr> heh, lol, and t2 in general to be considered between Gentoo, Debian, and the other pre-built stuff
16:29 < mpp> actually it's on top
16:29 < mpp> not in between :-)
16:29 < rxr> yeah - that's what we try to tell the world for some time now .-)
16:30 < mpp> the prophet in his own land... yadayadayda LOL
16:30 < mpp> Gee U aR U
16:30 < mpp> ;-)
16:31 < mpp> we should stick with N.I.K.E.
16:31 < mpp> just do it !
16:31 < rxr> :-)
16:32 < mpp> so hows the weather in berlin
16:32 < mpp> ?
16:32 < mpp> http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=UxPSz54l3ps
16:32 < mpp> berlinerisch für anfänger
16:32 < mpp> this is fun
16:33 < mpp> LOL :-))
16:33 < mpp> ike jet jetse schrippen koofen
16:33 < mpp> mamfmamf
16:35 < rxr> :-)
16:35 < mpp> cheerz mate
16:35 < rxr> gut das ich kein Berliner binn :-)
16:35 < rxr> ick meine ich natuerlich :-)
16:35 < rxr> anyway :-)
16:35 < mpp> ne war
16:35 < rxr> there was something I wanted to say - ah yes
16:35 < mpp> ei verbimsch noch mal
16:35 < rxr> PR: So go spread the word!
16:35 < mpp> go on
16:36 < mpp> i'll do so
16:36 < rxr> good :-)
16:37 < mpp> t2 is supreme ---- i obey --- exterminate exterminate ....
16:37 < mpp> okay cutting the crap now
16:37 < mpp> back to topic
16:38 < rxr> yeah - best blog and fill forums with it, and best with direct 16:59 -!- mpp [n=user@i53877B63.versanet.de] has left #t2 []
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17:06 < mpp> back again
17:40 < CIA-5> rene * r30173 /trunk/package/develop/git/git.desc: * updated git (1.5.6.5 -> 1.6.0)
17:48 < mpp> what exactly is nxterm ?
17:49 < mpp> in contrary to xterm..
17:50 < rxr> I guess you talk about just the TERM variable ?
17:50 < mpp> yep
17:50 < rxr> I think the xterm authors introduced this new name when they made incompatible changes to their ANSI escape character support ...
17:50 < mpp> since in the mc the pos1 and other keys dont't work
17:50 < rxr> (some 5 years or more ago)
17:50 < mpp> ah
17:51 < rxr> maybe soner termcap / ncurses files missing?
17:51 < mpp> so that could be the reason for some keys not functioning inside mc
17:51 < mpp> i built it on trunk and 7.0
17:51 < rxr> I ususally use rxvt-unicode exlusively, and on all my boxes with lots of windows I seldomely have problems ...
17:51 < mpp> both show the same behaviour
17:51 < mpp> whats that rxvt-unicode
17:51 < mpp> ?
17:52 < rxr> a package
17:52 < mpp> i guess i would just want to know how i get these keys working (again)
17:53 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/packages/rxvt-unicode.html
17:53 < mpp> aha
17:53 < mpp> so other distros use other emulation - ?
17:53 < rxr> nope :-)
17:54 < rxr> they all ship the same xterm, rxvt, rxvt-unicode, konsole, gnome-terminal
17:54 < mpp> come on throw me a fricking bone will ya ?
17:54 < rxr> btw. all of them implement terminal emulation differently
17:54 < rxr> so different behaviour in corner cases, feature completness ...
17:54 < mpp> thats what i am looking for
17:54 < rxr> but even xterm should just work
17:54 < mpp> what do i need to modifiy on a running t2-host ?
17:55 < rxr> guess maybe either you selected a very strange or unexisting locale or soe termcap file is missing
17:55 < rxr> no idea what's broken in your case
17:55 < rxr> what did you install?
17:55 < mpp> ahm...
17:56 < mpp> t2 7.0 generic minmal build
17:56 < mpp> i meant generic minimal basic desktop
17:57 < rxr> self built ?
17:57 < mpp> yes and no
17:57 < mpp> i tried the rc2 and a self built
17:58 < rxr> and on both xterm did not work fully ?
17:58 < mpp> yes
17:58 < mpp> strange thing
17:59 < rxr> in my trunk (from some weeks) desktop xterm home and end keys work fine
17:59 < mpp> what target did you user for building ?
17:59 < rxr> desktop
18:00 < mpp> okay i should try that one instead
18:00 < rxr> but I just remeber we recently had broken keyboard layouts due to x.org transition from xkbdata to xkeyboard-config
18:00 < rxr> maybe 7.0 is affected and your x server just does not handle all key mappings correctly ..
18:00 < mpp> but it would be cool if it worked on the console of a minimal build
18:00 < rxr> testing that part of 7.0 is on my todo
18:00 < mpp> no i don't mean the x server
18:00 < mpp> i am using mc on the console
18:00 < rxr> the 7.0.0 release is emminent, x86* are built, ppc*, likewie, sparc64 pending ...
18:00 < mpp> all the time - sorry -
18:00 < rxr> have to test install them soonish ...
18:01 < rxr> and last minute fix what I find on-the-way
18:01 < mpp> allright
18:01 < mpp> wait a minute
18:02 < mpp> i just ran the learn keys inside the mc
18:02 < mpp> so it works finally
18:02 < mpp> puuh
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18:03 < mpp> oops -
18:03 < mpp> got kicked out
18:03 < mpp> can you repeat rxr ?
18:04 < rxr> with part ?
18:04 < rxr> which part even?
18:04 < mpp> the last 2 posts
18:04 < mpp> my irc client skrewed up
18:04 < mpp> so i missed the part after the learning keys
18:06 < rxr> 18:00 < rxr> testing that part of 7.0 is on my todo
18:06 < rxr> 18:00 < rxr> the 7.0.0 release is emminent, x86* are built, ppc*, likewie, sparc64 pending ...
18:06 < rxr> 18:00 < rxr> have to test install them soonish ...
18:06 < rxr> 18:01 < rxr> and last minute fix what I find on-the-way
18:06 < mpp> okay
18:19 < mpp> the mailing list had also this posting about libx11
18:19 < mpp> pkgprefix: package libx11 is not present
18:19 < mpp> was there a fix for that message - maybe it can be ignored ?
18:20 < mpp> i get this message during a build
18:20 < mpp> i am running on console only
18:21 < rxr> yeah - wanted to fix this already
18:21 < rxr> wanted to finish some other work today, though
18:21 < rxr> I'll take a look into a fix, now
18:21 < rxr> you can ignore it for now
18:21 < rxr> (should be harmless, beside it should be fixed .-)
18:22 < mpp> okay then - you should skip this for now .
18:24 < mpp> an issue i have found with trunk - which is really annoying - is allthoug i configured the eth0 interface with dchp , the interface is not configured with dhcp after reboot
18:24 < mpp> kinda funny
18:24 < mpp> the network service is being started arcording to the bootscreen .
18:25 < mpp> so i created an rc.local for now which does the dhcpclient for eth0
18:25 < mpp> prio is kinda low though
18:27 < rxr> I think dhcpd version 4.0.0 was just recently fixed
18:27 < rxr> does it work if you re-emerge the dhcp packaga ?
18:27 < rxr> unfortunatly they broke / change quite a lot internally in this dhcp-4.x release ... :-((((
18:29 < mpp> ill give it a try
18:29 < mpp> my 2 hosts are building at the moment generic + rescue
18:30 < mpp> so ill report later on that
18:30 < mpp> back in the days of rocklinux there was a target called router .. i think
18:30 < mpp> is that correct ?
18:30 < mpp> i could use that one in t2 too :-)
18:31 < mpp> for turning a old / thin equipped pc into a router/proxy/vpn etc.
18:31 < rxr> yeah - the router thing never was really maintained
18:31 < mpp> if not i'll create a target for that purpose
18:31 < rxr> we removed it after some years of equally lingering in rock and t2 ...
18:32 < mpp> i think i'll make a new one
18:32 < rxr> rescue should be quite close, and then mika pesu started this wrt2, wireless router t2, intended for AP like devices
18:32 < mpp> yep
18:33 < mpp> for those kind of forks / mods i wished sometimes t2 was on monotone to easily branch / fork the sourcetree
18:33 < mpp> and commit back
18:33 < rxr> or hg (which I personally prefer these days)
18:33 < rxr> recently tried to start a read-only hg mirror
18:34 < rxr> though our SVN tree complexity does not make the converter too happy
18:34 < mpp> hg ?
18:34 < rxr> mercurial
18:34 < mpp> ah ---
18:34 < mpp> i browsed throug the package list of t2 which has it on
18:34 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/mercurial.html
18:34 < mpp> yep but thing about monotone is that it only needs a db sync
18:34 < mpp> all other operations are done offline
18:35 < mpp> ideal for traveling with no connectivity
18:35 < mpp> thats all really
18:35 < rxr> yeah
18:35 < mpp> i could build a monotone repo from the synced svn on my machine
18:35 < rxr> thing is back in time when I converted "ROCK Linux" from nothing (or better rsyncable snapshots) to SVN there was not much else beside, CVS (yuck), BitKeeper, some commercial ones (perforce at al.) and the upcomming SVN
18:36 < mpp> but i'll have to figure out a way to commit the changes as comment on monotone
18:36 < mpp> is doable i think
18:36 < rxr> we where like the first big project to adapt SVN around version 0.17 or so ... :-)
18:36 < mpp> i remember
18:36 < mpp> since i met you guys on a cebit many years ago first time
18:36 < rxr> so we where happy to have somthing as advanced and useful as SVN at all :-)
18:37 < rxr> :-)
18:37 < mpp> cliff was there and off course you
18:37 < mpp> sure svn is good . period !
18:38 < mpp> monotone is very compact on ther other hand and easy to user for multiple forks and branches even of different contributers
18:38 < mpp> i'll check on it asap
18:38 < rxr> what I usually do with any of our projects, make a local hg repo, work^work^work, when it's ready commit glued hg changesets ...
18:39 < mpp> sounds slick
18:39 < mpp> i don't quite know mercurial .
18:40 < mpp> monotone has an advantage that is has one single db file
18:40 < mpp> all checkouts / commits can then be extracted / injected
18:43 < mpp> monotne also signs the transactions which is like signing packets and codes
18:43 < mpp> anyways
18:43 < mpp> svn brought us here - so it's cool .
18:49 < rxr> :-)
18:52 < mpp> another thing i am interested in t2 is the distcc
18:52 < mpp> does it work out of the box to build with several machines a t2 target ?
18:55 < rxr> in the past yes, since multi cores boxes I do not use it too often
18:56 < mpp> i think using comodity pc's for a t2 compile cluster
18:56 < mpp> thats way cool
19:00 < rxr> stray warning of libx11 fixed
19:00 < rxr> svn up and have fun
19:00 < CIA-5> rene * r30174 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/parse-config: * silenced r30153 pkgprefix warning if libx11 was not yet built
19:01 < mpp> thanx
19:30 < mpp> on the chrooting error on a non t2-host
19:31 < mpp> chroot .
19:31 < mpp> mount /dev
19:31 < mpp> mount: none has wrong device number or fs type devfs not supported
19:31 < mpp> mount /proc
19:32 < mpp> since the /dev is not mounted succesfully the stone cannot start - as expected.
19:41 < mpp> looks like my ubuntu host does not support devfs anymore
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19:56 < mpp> for the bind package it would obviously be meaningfull to have 2 configuration files in the package - so bind can work as a caching only nameserver .
19:56 < mpp> db.cache an db.127.0.0
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20:29 < rxr> devfs is long gone everywhere will take a look
20:29 < rxr> patch for bind welcome
20:29 < mpp> cool
20:29 < mpp> patch for bind is easy
20:30 < mpp> where do i post it ?
20:30 < rxr> t2@t2-project.org or so
20:30 < mpp> k
20:30 < rxr> official mailing list
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22:33 < Ragnar|away> rxr: heeelp!
22:34 < Ragnar|away> how do I get the initrd to find a md device?
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08:40 < rxr> moin
08:54 < CIA-5> rene * r30157 /branches/7.0/package/base/acl/install.patch:
08:54 < CIA-5> * fixed the acl package to not use cp, but install to install
08:54 < CIA-5> binaries, otherwise mangles shared libraries result in nearly
08:54 < CIA-5> every program on an libacl enabled system getting broken during
08:54 < CIA-5> a libacl rebuild
09:05 < rxr> oh - damn, that was already fixed in trunk
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09:47 < CIA-5> rene * r30158 /trunk/package/network/mtr/ (mtr.conf mtr.desc): * updated mtr (0.72 -> 0.74)
09:48 < CIA-5> rene * r30159 /trunk/package/filesystem/libburn/libburn.desc: * updated libburn (0.4.4 -> 0.5.2.pl00)
09:48 < CIA-5> rene * r30160 /trunk/package/base/mktemp/mktemp.desc: * updated mktemp (1.5 -> 1.6)
09:48 < CIA-5> rene * r30161 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.4.6 -> 2.4.7)
09:52 < CIA-5> rene * r30162 /trunk/package/filesystem/uif2iso/ (uif2iso.conf uif2iso.desc): * updated uif2iso (0.1.2 -> 0.1.6)
09:56 < CIA-5> rene * r30163 /branches/7.0/package/base/acl/ (install.patch install.patch):
09:56 < CIA-5> * replaced the r30157 acl/install.patch with the fix from trunk
09:56 < CIA-5> (same fix, just to have a bit-identical comment, etc.)
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12:13 < CIA-5> Adam Stirk
12:13 < CIA-5> * updated madwifi (r3375 -> r3837)
12:13 < CIA-5> rene * r30166 /trunk/package/network/hostapd/hostapd.conf:
12:13 < CIA-5> Adam Stirk
12:13 < CIA-5> * added madwifi support to hostapd
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12:14 < CIA-5> Adam Stirk
12:14 < CIA-5> * new php/phar file download
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12:14 < CIA-5> Adam Stirk
12:14 < CIA-5> * added openntpd user/group and init script
12:22 < CIA-5> rene * r30169 /trunk/package/network/linux-igd/ (5 files):
12:22 < CIA-5> Adam Stirk
12:22 < CIA-5> * added linux-igd (2008-07-20) - Linux Internet Gateway Device
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14:01 < CIA-5> Martin Papadopoulos
14:01 < CIA-5> * added python to minimal-desktop for libgsf
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15:32 < rxr> hi mpp & Cyda
15:32 < Cyda> hey rxr
15:33 < mpp> hey rxr
15:33 < mpp> hey cyda
15:34 < mpp> rxr could you pass me a build-target / config for your initramfs / xen you talked about ?
15:36 < rxr> I do not have a xen thing, just an other initrmfs target
15:36 < mpp> could you pass me that one
15:36 < rxr> I could create some example for the initrd, yes
15:36 < mpp> cause my images are far to big
15:36 < mpp> i used generic target
15:36 < mpp> with bootstrap selection
15:36 < rxr> that's probably too big to fit into the initrd
15:37 < mpp> but after unpacking the kernel hang cause it exhausted over 1 gig
15:37 < mpp> yep
15:37 < mpp> i am trying to build a rescue for pxe
15:37 < mpp> thats all
15:37 < rxr> have you tried using rescue as base? that's probably way tinier than the bootstrap selection
15:38 < mpp> yes but the rescue only suggests livecd
15:38 < mpp> should i manually change it to initramfs ?
15:38 < mpp> i mean in the target ?
15:38 < mpp> btw i now have dedicated server for building t2
15:38 < mpp> 24/7
15:38 < mpp> i really needed that one cause it's quiet cpu heavy
15:39 < rxr> yes, the manual change could work
15:39 < mpp> what did you choose for your initramfs ?
15:39 < mpp> or did you strip down a built target ?
15:40 < rxr> I have some custom target for a company
15:40 < mpp> ah -
15:40 < rxr> but I'll try the rescue in some minutes
15:40 < mpp> cool so do i
15:40 < rxr> we can also change the rescue target to offer a selection, whether to build a livecd or an initrd
15:40 < mpp> if it works
15:40 < mpp> thats the point i don't know
15:40 < rxr> (I just wire up livecd for the rescue target a year ago so it works out of the box and folks do not accidently build an install image .-)
15:41 < mpp> makes sence :-)
15:41 < rxr> you can also just remove the hardwiring from the rescue target and manually select initrd and give it a spin
15:41 < rxr> might already just work .-)
15:41 < rxr> the config fixing is in target/rscue/config.in
15:41 < mpp> i'll do so right know
15:41 < mpp> now
15:41 < mpp> yep .. found that some days ago
15:42 < mpp> but didn't have time cause i'm on project for several months now with a lot of travelling
15:42 < mpp> but now i'll stick around until tuesday
15:42 < rxr> :-)
15:44 < mpp> btw. i'll post the stuff related to the chrooting later on today ;-)
15:44 < mpp> i am grateful for t2
15:45 < mpp> as an intermediate skilled linuxer i relay on real pros
15:45 < mpp> big thanx !!!
15:45 < rxr> yw
15:54 < mpp> hey rxr . what script is called on a build process to create the initramfs file itself ?
15:55 < mpp> i could modify the rootfs before it is packed
15:55 < mpp> that way i could strip down a built target.
15:56 < mpp> if i recall correctly squashfs is also involved .. which i have no idea how it's used
15:56 < mpp> in the initram processing / building
16:05 < rxr> the output scripts are in target/share/*/
16:05 < rxr> squashfs is only used for livecd
16:15 < mpp> does it make sense to modify the embedded target for a pxe initramfs ?
16:15 < mpp> it's fairly small
16:17 < rxr> embedded includes some cross only stuff and is notoriosly harder to debug/track
16:17 < rxr> I would use rescue and go from there
16:17 < rxr> I hope I can commit the config switch for it in some seconds
16:19 < mpp> for 8.0-trunk or 7.0 ?
16:21 < rxr> trunk :-)
16:21 < rxr> aka "some day 8.0"
16:21 < rxr> so - done
16:21 < rxr> CIA info pending
16:21 < rxr> t2/trunk:HEAD results in a 73MB initrd for me
16:22 < mpp> i am running atm the modified rescue initramfs build
16:22 < rxr> if you stip out all the X fluff and co it will be significantly smaller :-)
16:22 < CIA-5> rene * r30172 /trunk/target/rescue/ (build.sh config.in): * allow choosing whether to build the rescue target as livecd or initrd
16:22 < mpp> i thought so
16:22 < mpp> cudos !
16:23 < rxr> btw, mpp & Cyda, new IRC log rendering: http://www.t2-project.org/irclogs/t2-2008-08-22.html
16:25 < mpp> nice :-)
16:26 < mpp> how is it done ?
16:26 < rxr> it's rendered by a CGIs cript, now
16:26 < mpp> it's really cute ?
16:26 < mpp> !
16:26 < rxr> in the past it was just a dumb file dump
16:26 < rxr> which looked ugly and had no site menu integration
16:26 < rxr> plain black on white text
16:26 < mpp> yea this is more eye candy
16:27 < mpp> web2.0 compatible ....
16:27 < mpp> or so
16:27 < rxr> now the people that randomly hit the logs thru google have a chance to explore the t2 website (without manually editing the URL field )
16:27 < mpp> whooo.
16:27 < mpp> you 're into pr stuff
16:28 < mpp> which is obviously a wise choice for your company !
16:28 < rxr> have been for some time now, already ...
16:28 < mpp> let google do the work
16:28 < rxr> heh, lol, and t2 in general to be considered between Gentoo, Debian, and the other pre-built stuff
16:29 < mpp> actually it's on top
16:29 < mpp> not in between :-)
16:29 < rxr> yeah - that's what we try to tell the world for some time now .-)
16:30 < mpp> the prophet in his own land... yadayadayda LOL
16:30 < mpp> Gee U aR U
16:30 < mpp> ;-)
16:31 < mpp> we should stick with N.I.K.E.
16:31 < mpp> just do it !
16:31 < rxr> :-)
16:32 < mpp> so hows the weather in berlin
16:32 < mpp> ?
16:32 < mpp> http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=UxPSz54l3ps
16:32 < mpp> berlinerisch für anfänger
16:32 < mpp> this is fun
16:33 < mpp> LOL :-))
16:33 < mpp> ike jet jetse schrippen koofen
16:33 < mpp> mamfmamf
16:35 < rxr> :-)
16:35 < mpp> cheerz mate
16:35 < rxr> gut das ich kein Berliner binn :-)
16:35 < rxr> ick meine ich natuerlich :-)
16:35 < rxr> anyway :-)
16:35 < mpp> ne war
16:35 < rxr> there was something I wanted to say - ah yes
16:35 < mpp> ei verbimsch noch mal
16:35 < rxr> PR: So go spread the word!
16:35 < mpp> go on
16:36 < mpp> i'll do so
16:36 < rxr> good :-)
16:37 < mpp> t2 is supreme ---- i obey --- exterminate exterminate ....
16:37 < mpp> okay cutting the crap now
16:37 < mpp> back to topic
16:38 < rxr> yeah - best blog and fill forums with it, and best with direct 16:59 -!- mpp [n=user@i53877B63.versanet.de] has left #t2 []
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17:06 < mpp> back again
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17:48 < mpp> what exactly is nxterm ?
17:49 < mpp> in contrary to xterm..
17:50 < rxr> I guess you talk about just the TERM variable ?
17:50 < mpp> yep
17:50 < rxr> I think the xterm authors introduced this new name when they made incompatible changes to their ANSI escape character support ...
17:50 < mpp> since in the mc the pos1 and other keys dont't work
17:50 < rxr> (some 5 years or more ago)
17:50 < mpp> ah
17:51 < rxr> maybe soner termcap / ncurses files missing?
17:51 < mpp> so that could be the reason for some keys not functioning inside mc
17:51 < mpp> i built it on trunk and 7.0
17:51 < rxr> I ususally use rxvt-unicode exlusively, and on all my boxes with lots of windows I seldomely have problems ...
17:51 < mpp> both show the same behaviour
17:51 < mpp> whats that rxvt-unicode
17:51 < mpp> ?
17:52 < rxr> a package
17:52 < mpp> i guess i would just want to know how i get these keys working (again)
17:53 < rxr> http://t2-project.org/packages/rxvt-unicode.html
17:53 < mpp> aha
17:53 < mpp> so other distros use other emulation - ?
17:53 < rxr> nope :-)
17:54 < rxr> they all ship the same xterm, rxvt, rxvt-unicode, konsole, gnome-terminal
17:54 < mpp> come on throw me a fricking bone will ya ?
17:54 < rxr> btw. all of them implement terminal emulation differently
17:54 < rxr> so different behaviour in corner cases, feature completness ...
17:54 < mpp> thats what i am looking for
17:54 < rxr> but even xterm should just work
17:54 < mpp> what do i need to modifiy on a running t2-host ?
17:55 < rxr> guess maybe either you selected a very strange or unexisting locale or soe termcap file is missing
17:55 < rxr> no idea what's broken in your case
17:55 < rxr> what did you install?
17:55 < mpp> ahm...
17:56 < mpp> t2 7.0 generic minmal build
17:56 < mpp> i meant generic minimal basic desktop
17:57 < rxr> self built ?
17:57 < mpp> yes and no
17:57 < mpp> i tried the rc2 and a self built
17:58 < rxr> and on both xterm did not work fully ?
17:58 < mpp> yes
17:58 < mpp> strange thing
17:59 < rxr> in my trunk (from some weeks) desktop xterm home and end keys work fine
17:59 < mpp> what target did you user for building ?
17:59 < rxr> desktop
18:00 < mpp> okay i should try that one instead
18:00 < rxr> but I just remeber we recently had broken keyboard layouts due to x.org transition from xkbdata to xkeyboard-config
18:00 < rxr> maybe 7.0 is affected and your x server just does not handle all key mappings correctly ..
18:00 < mpp> but it would be cool if it worked on the console of a minimal build
18:00 < rxr> testing that part of 7.0 is on my todo
18:00 < mpp> no i don't mean the x server
18:00 < mpp> i am using mc on the console
18:00 < rxr> the 7.0.0 release is emminent, x86* are built, ppc*, likewie, sparc64 pending ...
18:00 < mpp> all the time - sorry -
18:00 < rxr> have to test install them soonish ...
18:01 < rxr> and last minute fix what I find on-the-way
18:01 < mpp> allright
18:01 < mpp> wait a minute
18:02 < mpp> i just ran the learn keys inside the mc
18:02 < mpp> so it works finally
18:02 < mpp> puuh
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18:03 < mpp> oops -
18:03 < mpp> got kicked out
18:03 < mpp> can you repeat rxr ?
18:04 < rxr> with part ?
18:04 < rxr> which part even?
18:04 < mpp> the last 2 posts
18:04 < mpp> my irc client skrewed up
18:04 < mpp> so i missed the part after the learning keys
18:06 < rxr> 18:00 < rxr> testing that part of 7.0 is on my todo
18:06 < rxr> 18:00 < rxr> the 7.0.0 release is emminent, x86* are built, ppc*, likewie, sparc64 pending ...
18:06 < rxr> 18:00 < rxr> have to test install them soonish ...
18:06 < rxr> 18:01 < rxr> and last minute fix what I find on-the-way
18:06 < mpp> okay
18:19 < mpp> the mailing list had also this posting about libx11
18:19 < mpp> pkgprefix: package libx11 is not present
18:19 < mpp> was there a fix for that message - maybe it can be ignored ?
18:20 < mpp> i get this message during a build
18:20 < mpp> i am running on console only
18:21 < rxr> yeah - wanted to fix this already
18:21 < rxr> wanted to finish some other work today, though
18:21 < rxr> I'll take a look into a fix, now
18:21 < rxr> you can ignore it for now
18:21 < rxr> (should be harmless, beside it should be fixed .-)
18:22 < mpp> okay then - you should skip this for now .
18:24 < mpp> an issue i have found with trunk - which is really annoying - is allthoug i configured the eth0 interface with dchp , the interface is not configured with dhcp after reboot
18:24 < mpp> kinda funny
18:24 < mpp> the network service is being started arcording to the bootscreen .
18:25 < mpp> so i created an rc.local for now which does the dhcpclient for eth0
18:25 < mpp> prio is kinda low though
18:27 < rxr> I think dhcpd version 4.0.0 was just recently fixed
18:27 < rxr> does it work if you re-emerge the dhcp packaga ?
18:27 < rxr> unfortunatly they broke / change quite a lot internally in this dhcp-4.x release ... :-((((
18:29 < mpp> ill give it a try
18:29 < mpp> my 2 hosts are building at the moment generic + rescue
18:30 < mpp> so ill report later on that
18:30 < mpp> back in the days of rocklinux there was a target called router .. i think
18:30 < mpp> is that correct ?
18:30 < mpp> i could use that one in t2 too :-)
18:31 < mpp> for turning a old / thin equipped pc into a router/proxy/vpn etc.
18:31 < rxr> yeah - the router thing never was really maintained
18:31 < mpp> if not i'll create a target for that purpose
18:31 < rxr> we removed it after some years of equally lingering in rock and t2 ...
18:32 < mpp> i think i'll make a new one
18:32 < rxr> rescue should be quite close, and then mika pesu started this wrt2, wireless router t2, intended for AP like devices
18:32 < mpp> yep
18:33 < mpp> for those kind of forks / mods i wished sometimes t2 was on monotone to easily branch / fork the sourcetree
18:33 < mpp> and commit back
18:33 < rxr> or hg (which I personally prefer these days)
18:33 < rxr> recently tried to start a read-only hg mirror
18:34 < rxr> though our SVN tree complexity does not make the converter too happy
18:34 < mpp> hg ?
18:34 < rxr> mercurial
18:34 < mpp> ah ---
18:34 < mpp> i browsed throug the package list of t2 which has it on
18:34 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/mercurial.html
18:34 < mpp> yep but thing about monotone is that it only needs a db sync
18:34 < mpp> all other operations are done offline
18:35 < mpp> ideal for traveling with no connectivity
18:35 < mpp> thats all really
18:35 < rxr> yeah
18:35 < mpp> i could build a monotone repo from the synced svn on my machine
18:35 < rxr> thing is back in time when I converted "ROCK Linux" from nothing (or better rsyncable snapshots) to SVN there was not much else beside, CVS (yuck), BitKeeper, some commercial ones (perforce at al.) and the upcomming SVN
18:36 < mpp> but i'll have to figure out a way to commit the changes as comment on monotone
18:36 < mpp> is doable i think
18:36 < rxr> we where like the first big project to adapt SVN around version 0.17 or so ... :-)
18:36 < mpp> i remember
18:36 < mpp> since i met you guys on a cebit many years ago first time
18:36 < rxr> so we where happy to have somthing as advanced and useful as SVN at all :-)
18:37 < rxr> :-)
18:37 < mpp> cliff was there and off course you
18:37 < mpp> sure svn is good . period !
18:38 < mpp> monotone is very compact on ther other hand and easy to user for multiple forks and branches even of different contributers
18:38 < mpp> i'll check on it asap
18:38 < rxr> what I usually do with any of our projects, make a local hg repo, work^work^work, when it's ready commit glued hg changesets ...
18:39 < mpp> sounds slick
18:39 < mpp> i don't quite know mercurial .
18:40 < mpp> monotone has an advantage that is has one single db file
18:40 < mpp> all checkouts / commits can then be extracted / injected
18:43 < mpp> monotne also signs the transactions which is like signing packets and codes
18:43 < mpp> anyways
18:43 < mpp> svn brought us here - so it's cool .
18:49 < rxr> :-)
18:52 < mpp> another thing i am interested in t2 is the distcc
18:52 < mpp> does it work out of the box to build with several machines a t2 target ?
18:55 < rxr> in the past yes, since multi cores boxes I do not use it too often
18:56 < mpp> i think using comodity pc's for a t2 compile cluster
18:56 < mpp> thats way cool
19:00 < rxr> stray warning of libx11 fixed
19:00 < rxr> svn up and have fun
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19:01 < mpp> thanx
19:30 < mpp> on the chrooting error on a non t2-host
19:31 < mpp> chroot .
19:31 < mpp> mount /dev
19:31 < mpp> mount: none has wrong device number or fs type devfs not supported
19:31 < mpp> mount /proc
19:32 < mpp> since the /dev is not mounted succesfully the stone cannot start - as expected.
19:41 < mpp> looks like my ubuntu host does not support devfs anymore
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19:56 < mpp> for the bind package it would obviously be meaningfull to have 2 configuration files in the package - so bind can work as a caching only nameserver .
19:56 < mpp> db.cache an db.127.0.0
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20:29 < rxr> devfs is long gone everywhere will take a look
20:29 < rxr> patch for bind welcome
20:29 < mpp> cool
20:29 < mpp> patch for bind is easy
20:30 < mpp> where do i post it ?
20:30 < rxr> t2@t2-project.org or so
20:30 < mpp> k
20:30 < rxr> official mailing list
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22:33 < Ragnar|away> rxr: heeelp!
22:34 < Ragnar|away> how do I get the initrd to find a md device?
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