--- Log opened Tue Nov 11 00:00:36 2008 00:31 -!- Piliphus [n=Piliphus@e179242194.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 00:31 < Piliphus> hello ... 00:32 < Piliphus> english speaking only? 00:33 < Piliphus> german? 00:35 < Piliphus> there are some questions about building an t2 system 00:35 < Piliphus> a 00:35 < Piliphus> no problem. i know it is late. 00:36 < gw> hi piliphus.... yes in general english speaking only 00:37 < Piliphus> hi gw all right i will try 00:37 < gw> just ask.... i'll give it a try to answer 00:38 < Piliphus> i'm able to build a minimal system with x-server and fluxbox 00:38 < gw> dict.leo.org is wonderful german - english dictionary if you need on (and don't know it already :) ) 00:39 < gw> on => one 00:40 < Piliphus> one moment please 00:43 < Piliphus> when i use the prebuild what option i have to use gasgui or gasstone? 00:44 < gw> mmm.... sorry, I've never used gasgui... it never worked for me 00:44 < gw> but what do you wnat to do? 00:44 < gw> installing? 00:44 < gw> or install additional packages? 00:45 < gw> or just install additional alread built binary packages? 00:45 < Piliphus> what i have to know is what i can do with this installation. 00:46 < gw> ok... so you built the minimal-x with fluxbox and you don't know how to install it? 00:46 < Piliphus> i dont know where i can select the packeges? 00:47 < gw> for installation? 00:47 < gw> mm.. when you boot the iso you built, then it will install all what is on the cd (I guess :) ) 00:47 < Piliphus> yes 00:48 < gw> to install additional packages I mostly use 'mine' 00:48 < gw> the command line packaging tool for T2 00:48 < gw> mine -i 00:48 < Piliphus> and thats the t2system on that i can install x and fluxbox? 00:48 < gw> installs a single binary package 00:49 < gw> after you installed all from the built iso('s) ... you should be able to boot your newly installed T2 :) 00:49 < gw> not from cd, but from the harddisk where you installed it 00:49 < Piliphus> or is it the system where i build the cd for example 00:49 < gw> no 00:50 < gw> the system where you built it, is just the build-environment 00:50 < gw> you can use the build-environment to build additional packages, if you want 00:50 < Piliphus> ok 00:50 < gw> you can also install the t2-src-tree into your newly installed T2-system and "emerge" new packages into it (a bit like gentoo works) 00:51 < Piliphus> im able to.... 00:51 < gw> I prefer building in my build-environment (my installed t2 is also the host system for the build environment) and install the binary packages I build with mine 00:51 < Piliphus> i never worked with gentoo 00:52 < gw> no worries.... T2 is somewhat different :) 00:52 < Piliphus> im linux newbe in that case 00:52 < Piliphus> but im interested 00:52 < gw> that's fine :) 00:52 < Piliphus> i will try 00:53 < gw> the T2 handbook should have some documentation about installing, "emerging", aso..... but I am not sure how good the documentation is there. It's a while ago I had a look at it. 00:54 < Piliphus> aha 00:56 < gw> in general people have a look at the handbook, and then ask here, because they did not find an answer there :) 00:56 < Piliphus> at first i've to install the t2cd... and with this system i can build my t2 00:57 < gw> yes 00:57 < gw> you can also just use the system you have with the t2cd and only install additional packages you want 00:58 < Piliphus> i've readed the book 5 times but im not sure what ican do with the .tar one 'and what can i do with the .iso oine 00:58 < gw> or you build a complete new t2-system, if you need different architecture options as those provided by the prebuilt t2-cd 00:59 < gw> the .iso is soething you can burn on a cd and boot from it :) 00:59 < Piliphus> no, i wish to build an minimal system with x-server an fluxbox. 00:59 < gw> the .tar I, am not sure 00:59 < gw> must have a look at the .tar thing 00:59 < Piliphus> i know 01:00 < gw> the advantage of the prebuilt iso's is, that you have a system, where you can build a new t2-system with. 01:00 < gw> the t2-build-environment has some problems with mainstream distros 01:00 < gw> because they tend to patch things like awk, sed, make aso... in a strange way 01:01 < gw> ok.... then install one of the prebuilds.... 01:01 < gw> download the t2-src tree (trunk or one of the stable branches) 01:01 < gw> and configure your build (but I thought you did this already) 01:01 < Piliphus> the handbook tells only what to do with the .tar there are 2 or 3 sentense about usen the .iso is better. because building the t2 on a t2 i better. but nowhere is told about using the .iso 01:02 < gw> using the .iso is just, burn it on a cd, or insert it into a virtual machine if you want :) 01:02 < gw> boot from it, and follow the directions to install a t2-system on your computer/virtual machine from the cd 01:03 < gw> it's a prebuilt binary distribution of a generic t2-system.... just like you would install one of the mainstream distros from cd 01:03 < Piliphus> know ive boith the tar one on terminal and the .iso in vb 01:03 < gw> maybe without a very comfortable installer :) 01:03 < Piliphus> only for testing for skill 01:03 < Piliphus> not for building 01:03 < gw> :) 01:04 < Piliphus> thats the problem tar and iso do different things 01:05 < Piliphus> but know i know i use the iso and install it. with that system i can build my t2 01:05 < gw> mmm.. i am not sure whether they are so different :)... 01:05 < gw> ah... I think I remeber 01:05 < gw> the .tar is just the build-environment, while the .iso is a complete functional linux, built with the T2-build environment 01:06 < Piliphus> sandbox 01:06 < gw> yea... or working copy :) 01:07 < gw> you can consider the .tar as snapshot from the subversion repository 01:07 < Piliphus> thats the next problem. i never use svn before. 01:08 < gw> so.... to use it, boot your t2-system fromt the t2cd you installed, you can unpack there .tar file and start bulding your own, or checkout the svn-tree und use this checkout instead of the .tar file you downloaded 01:08 < gw> svn is rather easy to use.... 01:09 < gw> you'll find the exact command line commands here: http://www.t2-project.org/download/ 01:09 < Piliphus> i've lerned something about svn this eavening 01:09 < gw> :) 01:19 < Piliphus> yesterday i installed the system the first time. but the configuration offers too much questions.. thats not the problem. later i become unsettled what i've to do with that system? 01:19 < gw> which system?.... you mean you started ./scripts/Config script? 01:20 < gw> yeah, there are quite a lot of options there :) 01:20 < gw> but to start, you can leave most of the options at their default values 01:20 < Piliphus> the t2 iso i installt in the vb 01:21 < gw> mmm... it's a while ago, I installed a t2-system from iso, but I don't remember, that the installer gave much choices :) 01:21 < gw> the stone tool, (the configuration tool), is not that complicated, and you only need the most crucial options there.... 01:21 < gw> like network setup, and runlevel configuration 01:22 < gw> the package installer in the stone tool, never worked for me.... so I have no experience with that 01:22 < Piliphus> how do you? 01:22 < gw> how I do the installation? 01:23 < Piliphus> yes 01:23 < gw> I guess I started with a t2-prebuilt, quite a couple of years ago... (one of the first usable versions, after fork of rock-linux) 01:24 < gw> since then I only build binary packages with the build environment, and install them with mine or just untar them to a file system root :) 01:24 < Piliphus> my first linux installation on august 01:24 < Piliphus> and expirence 01:25 < gw> ah yes, that's not very long :) 01:25 < Piliphus> at this time i install in my vb 01:25 < gw> vb => virtual box? 01:25 < Piliphus> i hav to configure the eth. the static domain is 127.0.0.1? 01:26 < Piliphus> virtual box! 01:26 < Piliphus> static host is localhost for example 01:26 < gw> 127.0.0.1 is you local domain, it is only valid on your system and is not usable for networking only on the local system/computer 01:27 < Piliphus> the setup is asking about? 01:28 < Piliphus> i think 01:28 < Piliphus> will not mean a thing...;) 01:29 < Piliphus> what about the static DNS-Server? 01:32 < Piliphus> i know about the 127.0.0.1 01:33 < Piliphus> im getting confused. what the f*** i s a global tag? 01:35 < gw> :) 01:35 < Piliphus> dont laugh 01:35 < Piliphus> ! 01:35 < gw> the network config is in the file /etc/config/network or so 01:35 < gw> it is somewhat hierarchical organised 01:35 < gw> the stone tool is just a gui to make entries there 01:35 < gw> tags are config options in this file 01:36 < Piliphus> interesting... 01:36 < gw> they are made available in the scripts you can find in /usr/libexec/network (or anywhere near there... sorry I dont't remember exactly) 01:37 < gw> the tags are merely the names of the scripts at that location 01:37 -!- wtracy [n=william@natusers1.stennerglenstudents.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:37 < gw> in the network config file, you make an entry for every network device you have/need/want to configure 01:37 < gw> global tags set options for all devices. 01:38 < gw> e.g. setting the nameserver is a global options, because it is not specific for a special network device 01:39 < gw> setting a static ip address is specific to a certain network device, so it does not make sense to use it in a global context 01:39 < Piliphus> im unsure what ive to do with the static DSN-Server is the 255.255.255.0 to use? 01:39 < gw> nope 01:40 < Piliphus> i think ive never be a good network admin... 01:40 < gw> as nameserver you want to use an address where a nameserver can be found 01:40 < gw> I don't know whether virtual box provides you with one 01:40 < gw> else you just set the same entries there you have in your host system 01:40 < gw> host system of your vb 01:41 < Piliphus> what the vb nedds is not that importent. i use the vb to practice the configuration. 01:42 < gw> you want to access the internet or your local lan with the t2-system in your vb? 01:42 < gw> then you will need a working nameserver setup 01:42 -!- wtracy [n=william@natusers1.stennerglenstudents.com] has joined #t2 01:43 < Piliphus> when i install the system there is no way to find some questions with google oslt 01:44 < Piliphus> so i try with the vb 01:44 < gw> then there is something wrong with your network configuration 01:44 < gw> how did you setup networking for your virtual machine? 01:44 < Piliphus> the vb is not connectet 01:44 < gw> is it bridged or host only? (I don't know how vb handles/calls this) 01:45 < gw> if it is not connected, then you only have a loopback device in your t2-system (lo0) 01:45 < gw> the ip address for lo0 is 127.0.0.1 01:45 < gw> and you don't have a name server then 01:46 < gw> because it is not necessary for setup without networking 01:46 < Piliphus> ive configured the vb with network the adapter should be enabled. but the vb is not connectet with the inet 01:46 < Piliphus> i dont need 01:47 < gw> ah ok 01:49 < Piliphus> im confused about the host and the eth configuration. the host needs DNS and the eth one needs nameserver? 01:49 -!- wtracy [n=william@natusers1.stennerglenstudents.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:49 < gw> maybe vb provides you with a dhcp server, then you set your network device in vb to use dhcp to configure itself. nameserver setup should also go automatically per dhcp 01:52 < Piliphus> if you think dhcp is that simple. i would know it exactly. but i think for my experience i have to take teh dhcp 01:52 < gw> the host should have a nameserver configured :)... else you can't surf the internet 01:52 < gw> I know, that vmware, sets up a dhcp server for it's virtual machines.... works quite well :) 01:53 < Piliphus> you dont understand what i mean. im able to instal the iso on my hd. 01:53 -!- wtracy [n=william@natusers1.stennerglenstudents.com] has joined #t2 01:54 < Piliphus> on my opinion whem im gettint to compile the vb is getting to busy 01:54 < gw> yes I am afraid, that I got something wrong with your problem too 01:54 < Piliphus> is beter to compile on the hgost. dont you think? 01:54 < Piliphus> host 01:55 < gw> mmm.. it should work in vb too, but yes, a virtual machine is always a fair bit slower, than a real machine 01:56 < Piliphus> what ive try to tell. i use the vb now to get some skill by the configuration an so on.. 01:56 < Piliphus> you know 01:56 < Piliphus> ? 01:57 < Piliphus> so i can use the chat meanwhile 01:57 < gw> yes, I understood that, but I was not sure, whether you want to setup a working network with your vb or just wanted to know how it works behind the scene 01:58 < Piliphus> behind the scene 01:58 < Piliphus> .. 01:58 < gw> ok :) 02:00 < gw> the scripts which provide the tags for the network config file, come from the various packages. e.g. the script which implements the dhcp tag is installed by the dhcpd or dhclient package 02:00 < gw> you can find those in the t2-sources 02:01 < Piliphus> next problem. the setup ended by mistake. 02:03 < gw> the stone tool? or the installer? error message? 02:04 < gw> btw. most tools/scripts in T2 are rather robust, and you can safely Ctrl-C them and start again 02:05 < Piliphus> the stone system configuration. 02:08 < Piliphus> do you know what im abel to do now? take off the computer qand getting some sleep... i will try tomorrow.. no way now 02:09 < gw> you have a running linux :) 02:09 < gw> you can do whatever you can do with a linux... (sorry I am not sure what you mean) 02:10 < gw> if you are missing some programs, you can "emerge" them..... 02:10 < gw> but this involves some compiling, so it is maybe a bit time consuming in vb 02:11 < Piliphus> no. I'AM tired have to say thank you very much for the help and your patience... 02:11 < gw> your welcome... sorry for the misundrstanding 02:11 < Piliphus> and good night 02:11 < Piliphus> thank you... 02:12 < gw> god night 02:13 < Piliphus> i dont mind if i do.. 02:13 < Piliphus> good night. 02:13 * Piliphus bye 02:13 -!- Piliphus [n=Piliphus@e179242194.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 07:15 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Cyda 07:16 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Cyda 09:21 < rxr> re 10:27 -!- michael-i [n=michael-@141.41.40.103] has joined #t2 10:46 -!- wtracy [n=william@natusers1.stennerglenstudents.com] has quit [Broken pipe] 10:51 < michael-i> hi everyone 10:53 < michael-i> I'm compiling trunk on a t2 7.0rc2 host. With blackfin as target architecture, uclibc fails to compile with an implicit declaration failure for '__syscall_ipc' (http://pastebin.ca/1251688) 10:54 < michael-i> I've looked upstream on blackfin.uclinux.org 's website for an updated uclibc-bfin package but was unable to find a similarly named package. 11:15 < michael-i> Ok...found how to update this in architecture/blackfin/package/uclibc. I've moved up to the latest revision from blackfin.uclinux.org's repo and am trying again 11:21 < rxr> le us know how it goes 11:22 < michael-i> will do 11:23 < michael-i> ....if only blackfin's svn wasn't so frustratingly slow 14:00 < michael-i> using r2892 of blackfin's uClibc results in the same error (http://pastebin.ca/1253243) 14:25 -!- mpp [n=mpp@i53874265.versanet.de] has joined #t2 14:37 < rxr> hm 14:39 < michael-i> I've gone through and updated the binutils, gcc and linux26 desc files for blackfin with the newest trunk versions and am retrying. Downloading from their server is a nightmare... 15:35 < rxr> michael-i: on my side blackfin uclibc builds 15:35 < rxr> guess time to remove that downloaded file as well .. to see if our mirros have a slighty other variant ? 15:36 < michael-i> I want to finish trying the updated versions. There are more than a 1000 revisions between them and the ones in t2-trunk 15:39 < rxr> hm - the t2 mirror version gives me very strange errors 15:39 < rxr> why the heck are the mirror files other than the one on my laptop .. 16:23 < mpp> strace is broken due broken patch 16:24 < mpp> http://pastebin.com/m766e38d3 16:55 < rxr> I think it can be removed, now 16:56 < rxr> I guess I missed the svn rm due classic patch from the lsit 17:39 < CIA-4> rene * r31210 /trunk/package/x11/cairo/dolt-older-shell.patch: * fixed cairo to build with bash-3.00 17:43 < mpp> hey rxr 17:43 < mpp> gota question regarding nxterm 17:43 < mpp> there are many distros 17:44 < mpp> who do not have nxterm in their export variables 17:44 < mpp> i could not even find one in t2 17:45 < mpp> when i login from a t2 host onto another system and start e.g. mc or other ncurses progs i get an error saying nxterm not found 17:45 < rxr> I guess with xterm ? 17:46 < mpp> :~# mc Unknown terminal: nxterm Check the TERM environment variable. Also make sure that the terminal is defined in the terminfo database. Alternatively, set the TERMCAP environment variable to the desired termcap entry 17:47 < mpp> i don't get it - on t2 it works fine 17:47 < mpp> on other distros 17:47 < mpp> not 17:47 < rxr> you speak in "raetseln" 17:48 < rxr> so when you log into a remote system from a t2 xterm? 17:48 < mpp> yes 17:48 < mpp> thats what i meant sorry 17:48 < mpp> so what am i missing 17:48 < rxr> ok - so proably just too new xtern, maybe one can even patch / configure xterm to behave differently 17:48 < rxr> you can probably work around this by running TERM=xtern-new mc # on the remote system or so 17:48 < rxr> one could even patch xterm to behave saner 17:50 < mpp> question is why does t2 user nxterm on the other hand many other xterm 17:51 < mpp> they seem to refert to the same xterm 17:51 < rxr> they probably all patch xterm 17:51 < mpp> ah k 17:51 < rxr> or set some configure option if xterm has some default-term-indicator whatever option 17:51 < mpp> wtf - patcheritis :-( 17:51 < mpp> t2 is sane 17:52 < mpp> otherdistrohere insane ! 17:52 < mpp> k 17:52 < mpp> bbl 17:58 < rxr> I do not comment 17:58 < rxr> of course some t2 defaults are also not superly sane, as many t2 defaults are just coincidents of upstream default behaviour 18:20 < CIA-4> rene * r31211 /trunk/package/base/strace/arch-arm.patch: * removed no longer applying strace/arm patch 18:45 -!- michael-i [n=michael-@141.41.40.103] has quit [] 18:48 < rxr> hm - svn with it's thousands files makes t2-trunk no fun on real ARM silicon ... 19:09 < mpp> nope 19:23 -!- mpp [n=mpp@i53874265.versanet.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092510]"] 20:04 -!- wtracy [n=william@natusers1.stennerglenstudents.com] has joined #t2 20:19 -!- mpp [n=mpp@83.135.66.101] has joined #t2 20:30 -!- Piliphus [n=Piliphus@e179243147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 20:31 < Piliphus> goog evening 20:31 < Piliphus> good 20:32 < mpp> hey Piliphus 20:32 < Piliphus> hi mpp 20:44 < Piliphus> i have a siple question. is there any german handbook for t2 ? 20:46 < mpp> ahm--- nope ! :-) 20:46 < mpp> try the other way around 20:48 -!- mpp [n=mpp@83.135.66.101] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092510]"] 20:48 < Piliphus> the english handbook should be not that problem of course. but somtimes i become unsure... 20:49 < Piliphus> getting 20:53 -!- dsoul [i=darksoul@insomniac.pl] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:01 -!- Surma1 [n=surma@brln-4d0ce7d5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 21:02 < Surma1> hey guys. How come, that while in Config, going back one menu takes pretty long (like 3-4 seconds)? Seems like it restarts some kind of lua script everytime? 21:02 < Surma1> is that normal? 21:09 < rxr> yes, that normal needs optimization 21:10 < Surma1> damn :S makes the whole thing really exhausting ;) 21:20 < Piliphus> good bye. if i have any questions iam gonna ask ... 21:20 -!- Piliphus [n=Piliphus@e179243147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 21:36 -!- Surma1 [n=surma@brln-4d0ce7d5.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #t2 [] 21:49 -!- wtracy [n=william@natusers1.stennerglenstudents.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:04 -!- wtracy [n=william@pcp042348pcs.wireless.calpoly.edu] has joined #t2 22:14 -!- mpp [n=mpp@i53874265.versanet.de] has joined #t2 22:17 -!- wtracy [n=william@pcp042348pcs.wireless.calpoly.edu] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:48 -!- wtracy [n=william@natusers1.stennerglenstudents.com] has joined #t2 --- Log closed Wed Nov 12 00:00:42 2008